The last bit is so complicated. You are very determined. The simplest way for me is start with the edges intuitively, then do corners with swaps and flips (got those from here), then do triangles with a 3-cycle algorithm (from superantoniovivali's channel). I don't have the brain for doing all those setups and remembering how to unwind them afterwards. BenCisco is also fun, but it took me a while to get the hang of it. Some of the videos are confusing, and the ones by the guy who developed the method (Ben's puzzles) has the old lanlan color scheme. I like the first part, up to dealing with the last three triples. At that point it gets too weird and I just fix the corners and 3-cycle the last 6 triangles. Not sure it is faster than my hybrid method. Not like it matters, I am slow both ways.
thanks for posting this I had been trying to get this kind of solution to work on my own but was trying to not let the corners get out of orientation - which doesnt work
This solution reminds me of how I'm solving the Rex cube, especially when swapping the 'centre' pieces. Saddly octahedron is not a popular puzzle probably because it cannot 'stand' like most other puzzles. It's very educational though as it is also a Platonic solid. I believe LanLan is the only company producing it and I can see myself buying it for Christmas. Btw, well done for this wonderful tutorial!
Thanks, and thanks for your comment. I think the rex and the FTO are closely related, apparently they are sort of shape mods of each other, or something... And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Learning the FTO (My 25th twisty puzzle!) and this has helped a lot, I learned edges and corners without rewinding or skipping back, I love this! But centered are tricky :/ Edit: Nevermind Corner orientation are actually tricky, and due to that mess up you did for the FBFB it ruined my solve :( Edit: Nevermind
This puzzle has legitimately broken me, I've had to solve the corners into position 9 times bow and I have no clue why they keep swapping while I'm working on centers which is already whittling me to insanity
Fantastic! I wish I'd seen this when I first got my FTO, instead of spending 3 hours trying to understand the bencisco method. One thing: I noticed it takes 24 moves to flip 2 corners at the end. I was experimenting to try and find a way to flip 4 corners in less than 48 moves, and I think I've found one. First, make sure your puzzle is already solved. Just for the sake of testing, that way you can tell if you did it right. Now, perform the following algorithm (key listed below the alg): (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B' Y B Y') (Y' B Y B') (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B Y' B' Y) (Y B' Y' B) Where R=red face, O=Orange face, Y=yellow face, G=green, B=blue, P=purple, W=white, Gy=gray. (I'd use standard F=front, U=up, L=left notation, but I wanted to remove ambiguity as much as possible) As you can see, the 3 yellow corners, as well as the Orange-Blue-White-Purple corner, have all been flipped. It's best not to memorize this algorithm as I've listed it, but instead to remember it as a center swap, then two corner swaps, then another center swap, and two more corner swaps. It's also best not to remember it by color, but by position. I myself tend to rotate the puzzle around as I do this, just to make sure all the swaps are done correctly, but you can do it however you want. :) Alternatively, if you perform B (as in blue), then perform this algorithm, then perform B', you'll find that a different set of 4 corners have been swapped, this time arranged in a square instead of a rhombus. I should note that, while the algorithm was split up into other, more familiar algorithms for the sake of simplicity, you can combine certain moves to make the algorithm 2 moves faster: (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B' Y B Y B Y B') (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B Y' B' Y' B' Y' B) In total, this method is 30 steps long for the rhombus case, 32 for the square case. If you need to flip all 6 corners, you can perform the rhombus algorithm, followed by the adjacent swap algorithm he gave us in his video, and it'll total up to 54 moves. If anyone can find a faster method for either of these 3 cases, or even for the adjacent swap case he listed in the video, please comment down below. Thanks! :)
First, thanks for this long comment, and I'm sorry it's taken this long to reply. What's the bencisco method? Your sequences are interesting. Probably, for myself, I'd end up sticking with the ones in the video, just because they'd be based around the EPS and I find those easier to remember. And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Really appreciated this video! I'd also like it if you could put timestamps to each step, cus I personally liked to almost only know what order to do the pieces and try to figure it out for myself! Either way, appreciate it!
I actually have no idea what brand it is. I would have bought it probably from nowstore. I assume you have one by now anyway? And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Why not just solve corners and then solve centers with 3-cycle with middle layer alg like [M,[R,U]]? Edges first solving is right solution. (many tutorial with edges in the end)
The last bit is so complicated. You are very determined.
The simplest way for me is start with the edges intuitively, then do corners with swaps and flips (got those from here), then do triangles with a 3-cycle algorithm (from superantoniovivali's channel). I don't have the brain for doing all those setups and remembering how to unwind them afterwards.
BenCisco is also fun, but it took me a while to get the hang of it. Some of the videos are confusing, and the ones by the guy who developed the method (Ben's puzzles) has the old lanlan color scheme. I like the first part, up to dealing with the last three triples. At that point it gets too weird and I just fix the corners and 3-cycle the last 6 triangles. Not sure it is faster than my hybrid method. Not like it matters, I am slow both ways.
thanks for posting this I had been trying to get this kind of solution to work on my own but was trying to not let the corners get out of orientation - which doesnt work
the best and simplest tutorial!! thank you very much
Thanks very much, I appreciate your kind words.
This solution reminds me of how I'm solving the Rex cube, especially when swapping the 'centre' pieces. Saddly octahedron is not a popular puzzle probably because it cannot 'stand' like most other puzzles. It's very educational though as it is also a Platonic solid. I believe LanLan is the only company producing it and I can see myself buying it for Christmas. Btw, well done for this wonderful tutorial!
Thanks, and thanks for your comment. I think the rex and the FTO are closely related, apparently they are sort of shape mods of each other, or something... And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Learning the FTO (My 25th twisty puzzle!) and this has helped a lot, I learned edges and corners without rewinding or skipping back, I love this! But centered are tricky :/
Edit: Nevermind
Corner orientation are actually tricky, and due to that mess up you did for the FBFB it ruined my solve :( Edit: Nevermind
This is amazing I didn’t understand bens method after a lot of trial and error but this makes a lot of sense great job dude !!
Thanks for your very kind comment. I'm glad it helped. Can I ask who Ben is?
@@twistypuzzling from bens puzzles he did a tutorial on the bensisco method.
@@twistypuzzling also you should show us your whole collection I would be very interested
Nice tutorial. I really like this way of solving the FTO :] Got any suggestions for puzzles similar to the FTO?
This puzzle has legitimately broken me, I've had to solve the corners into position 9 times bow and I have no clue why they keep swapping while I'm working on centers which is already whittling me to insanity
Fantastic! I wish I'd seen this when I first got my FTO, instead of spending 3 hours trying to understand the bencisco method.
One thing: I noticed it takes 24 moves to flip 2 corners at the end. I was experimenting to try and find a way to flip 4 corners in less than 48 moves, and I think I've found one.
First, make sure your puzzle is already solved. Just for the sake of testing, that way you can tell if you did it right. Now, perform the following algorithm (key listed below the alg):
(Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B' Y B Y') (Y' B Y B') (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B Y' B' Y) (Y B' Y' B)
Where R=red face, O=Orange face, Y=yellow face, G=green, B=blue, P=purple, W=white, Gy=gray. (I'd use standard F=front, U=up, L=left notation, but I wanted to remove ambiguity as much as possible)
As you can see, the 3 yellow corners, as well as the Orange-Blue-White-Purple corner, have all been flipped. It's best not to memorize this algorithm as I've listed it, but instead to remember it as a center swap, then two corner swaps, then another center swap, and two more corner swaps. It's also best not to remember it by color, but by position. I myself tend to rotate the puzzle around as I do this, just to make sure all the swaps are done correctly, but you can do it however you want. :)
Alternatively, if you perform B (as in blue), then perform this algorithm, then perform B', you'll find that a different set of 4 corners have been swapped, this time arranged in a square instead of a rhombus.
I should note that, while the algorithm was split up into other, more familiar algorithms for the sake of simplicity, you can combine certain moves to make the algorithm 2 moves faster:
(Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B' Y B Y B Y B') (Gy' O Gy O' R O' R' O) (B Y' B' Y' B' Y' B)
In total, this method is 30 steps long for the rhombus case, 32 for the square case. If you need to flip all 6 corners, you can perform the rhombus algorithm, followed by the adjacent swap algorithm he gave us in his video, and it'll total up to 54 moves.
If anyone can find a faster method for either of these 3 cases, or even for the adjacent swap case he listed in the video, please comment down below. Thanks! :)
First, thanks for this long comment, and I'm sorry it's taken this long to reply.
What's the bencisco method? Your sequences are interesting. Probably, for myself, I'd end up sticking with the ones in the video, just because they'd be based around the EPS and I find those easier to remember. And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Really appreciated this video! I'd also like it if you could put timestamps to each step, cus I personally liked to almost only know what order to do the pieces and try to figure it out for myself! Either way, appreciate it!
I do put timestamps in tutorial videos all the time now. But this video was made probably 10 or more years ago. Sorry.
@@twistypuzzling no problem man, I get it. And it was still pretty easy to skip ahead to the next step!
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What brand are you using? I am looking to buy an FTO, but I don't want a clicky model. I really like how yours moves.
I actually have no idea what brand it is. I would have bought it probably from nowstore. I assume you have one by now anyway? And my apologies for the lateness of this reply.
Why not just solve corners and then solve centers with 3-cycle with middle layer alg like [M,[R,U]]? Edges first solving is right solution. (many tutorial with edges in the end)
Sorry I didn't reply to this sooner. I think I did edges first in my video, though.