Fujifilm 23mm F2 WR vs 23mm F1.4 R Shootout by Georges Cameras

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  • @GeorgesCamerasTV
    @GeorgesCamerasTV  5 років тому +12

    This ones a tough one, which one would you go for?
    Sample Images: 4:31
    //
    Purchase the Fujifilm 23mm F2 today: bit.ly/2ztpi23
    Purchase the Fujifilm 23mm F1.4 today: bit.ly/2Bxo5s4

  • @latros_sacrum
    @latros_sacrum 5 років тому +21

    I think to answer your question about why the two lenses have slightly different field of views is because the F2 version has a shorter flange focal distance while the F1.4 has a longer flange focal distance (distance between rear element of lens and the sensor). Although they're both 23mm in lens focal length, the F2 version has a slightly wider field of vision due to it's shorter ffd and closer focusing ability (22cm), which inherently makes it a wider lens than the F1.4 which has a longer close focusing ability at 28cm.

  • @JasondePlater
    @JasondePlater 5 років тому +44

    Love my 23mm f1.4. Having that bit of extra bokeh and low light performance is always useful, especially with it’s apsc.

  • @arunpaul2301
    @arunpaul2301 4 роки тому +3

    The 23mm f2 isn't that great a lens. It's not good for close photography or sharpness when compared to 23mm f1.4. I had to sell off the 23 f2 as it gave mediocre performance compared to all other Fuji lenses that I own. I too bought it hearing angry photographers review. The f2 lens was a wasteof money. Get the 1.4 version any time. I'm no reviewer but I've owned both the 24mm variants (paid out of my pocket) and I wish I never bought the f2 lens. Thanks.

  • @hameed
    @hameed 4 роки тому +8

    I still can’t make up my mind about these two lmao. If the 1.4 had WR I’d buy it immediately

    • @badhabit714
      @badhabit714 4 роки тому +2

      Sounds like you've already made up your mind.

    • @hameed
      @hameed 4 роки тому +11

      @@badhabit714 You're right, I bought neither lol

  • @thegreatvanziniphotos5976
    @thegreatvanziniphotos5976 5 років тому +10

    Typically on the street I'm at f8 s o the 2 seems to work ok for me.

    • @temporarymomentary
      @temporarymomentary 4 роки тому

      The Great Vanzinni! Yes! Its perfect for street photo

    • @paulchoccyt1303
      @paulchoccyt1303 4 роки тому +1

      Do you set at f/8 manually and then let AF do shutter Speed and ISO ?

  • @collinausbury
    @collinausbury 2 роки тому

    Thank you! Gear paralysis now cured. 23mm f2’s got me.

  • @joshsantiago4397
    @joshsantiago4397 4 роки тому +3

    I have to disagree that 1.4 is lightweight. It gets uncomfortable after quite some time especially for the lighter Fuji cameras.

  • @eagleeye8916
    @eagleeye8916 5 років тому +3

    23mm 1.4 is slightly better at $700 . if money wasn't an issue id get it. But i had the option to get the 23mm f2 for $150 as a second lens kit. So that was a no brainer .

  • @ooharloo
    @ooharloo 5 років тому +10

    Please compare the Mitakon 35mm F 0.95 vs the Fujifilm 35mm 1.4?

    • @justincase12112
      @justincase12112 5 років тому

      Harlowe E 35 1.4 lens is very special lens, it’s rendering is simply amazing. Mitakon does not stand a chance

    • @ccoppola82
      @ccoppola82 5 років тому

      Haven’t tried the 35 1.4 but the mitakon is truly amazing

    • @sw40lover
      @sw40lover 5 років тому

      .95 is hard to focus also photos are not as sharp like by a mile

    • @cggg490
      @cggg490 5 років тому +1

      @@justincase12112 I have both the 1.4 and the mikaton and the latter is better in my opinion.

    • @cggg490
      @cggg490 5 років тому

      @@sw40lover it takes practice to focus the mikaton when you're all the way to 0.95 but the images are ridiculously crisp at that point. If you need a couple of millimeters extra to keep something like a face in focus that's tilted, you pull out slightly to 1.4 or so. works fine.

  • @joaquimramis4124
    @joaquimramis4124 3 роки тому +2

    Extra info: the 23 f1.4 performs beter between f2 and f5.6 while the 23 f2 performs beter from 5.6 to f11 (in comparison to the other lens).

  • @pegshealth
    @pegshealth 4 роки тому +2

    I just wanted to point out that there are raincoats for camera setups - so any setup can be guarded in inclement weather. Also, "weather sealing" only provides resistance - not water proofing so, the bottom line is that there are further solutions one might want to consider if you are a harsh weather condition shooter. Personally, I'm not into it at all, not wanting to ruin $$$$$ in gear. Outdoor photographers, however, I'm sure would differ.

  • @zeissiez
    @zeissiez 4 роки тому +4

    Unlike choosing between the 35 1.4 & 35 2.0, this one is easy, 23 1.4 all the way

  • @JeremyGalloway
    @JeremyGalloway 5 років тому +5

    I think the size difference between these lenses is overstated. The f/2 is not really as small as it looks, and it protrudes quite far out from the camera. The fact that it’s narrower doesn’t really help me. On the other hand, the f/1.4 is really quite impressively small and lightweight for what it offers.

    • @ChimaChindaDev
      @ChimaChindaDev 5 років тому

      Jeremy I agree. I don’t like the way the f2 balances on camera. It’s narrower than I would like.

    • @enriquepuig5580
      @enriquepuig5580 5 років тому +1

      Jeremy 23 and 35 2.0 lenses are that way so they don’t block Fuji X-Pro 2 OVF.

    • @JeremyGalloway
      @JeremyGalloway 5 років тому +1

      @@enriquepuig5580 wow I actually wasn't aware that some Fuji lenses would block the OVF on cameras that have them. That really sucks!

    • @enriquepuig5580
      @enriquepuig5580 5 років тому

      Jeremy yes it happens! I had 23mm 1.4, 56mm 1.2 and 35 mm 1.4, all blocking a bit or almost all the view! I have to take a look at the 18mm 2.0 since I don’t recall how affects the vision. 35mm 2.0 definately doesn’t affect at all. Just imagine how zooms block it. 60mm macro and 90mm are bigger than 56mm 1.2 so...

    • @BoxxyFan
      @BoxxyFan 5 років тому

      Agree. The 23/2 is actually quite large. Its about double the length of the Canon 22/2.

  • @floxshuilee1760
    @floxshuilee1760 5 років тому +6

    This is where I get my Ricoh GR!

    • @MIKROBI219
      @MIKROBI219 4 роки тому

      FLOXshui Lee I had one and it was absolute photo monster! Fantastic camera

  • @bobbyschandra
    @bobbyschandra 3 роки тому +1

    Which is better for talking head video or for video auto focus ? Is there an ideal Lens for taking head stuff? Thanks

  • @sw40lover
    @sw40lover 5 років тому +5

    event work f2...
    portraits 1.4 though f2 doesnt do bad for portraits its like using a 2.8 in FF

    • @joker3053
      @joker3053 4 роки тому +1

      F2 looks like f4 on ff

    • @Nebeldiener
      @Nebeldiener 4 роки тому +3

      @@joker3053 Nope. You confused M43 with APS-C:
      f.2 in M43 (x2) would be f.4 in FF.
      f.2 in APS-C (x1.5/1.53) would be f3.06 in FF

    • @HR-wd6cw
      @HR-wd6cw 4 роки тому +1

      The equivalence in terms of aperture is not easily as straight forward as converting focal lengths from APS-C to FF equivalants. But a 1.4 is roughly closer to f/2.2 or f/2.5 on a FF body. For most people, the difference between 1.4 and 1.8 (either on FF or APS-C) is not terribly noticeable but the cost often is. Plus a lot of street photographers use the 23mm, and for that, most are usually between 2.8 and f/8 most of the time anyway. I'd only get a 1.4 if I knew I was going to be doing portraits with the lens (and a lot of them) otherwise I'd just save some money and get the f/2 version.

  • @-grey
    @-grey 5 років тому +7

    For a comparison:
    56f1.2 vs 90f2 as a portrait lens. The price an specs are just different enough to be an interesting comparison.
    Also, if I’m getting a 23f2 for travel size, I’m getting an X100. 23f1.4 looks like it has less contrast, so slightly more shadow detail.
    I prefer 28mm as a focal length. I just wish Fuji would get on the X70s.

    • @GeorgesCamerasTV
      @GeorgesCamerasTV  5 років тому +1

      That would be an interesting shootout! We'll see if we can whip something up.

  • @raksh9
    @raksh9 5 років тому +4

    What camera and lens did you use to shoot this video? The colours are excellent, the bokeh is soft and the details are crisp.

    • @Jez3134
      @Jez3134 4 роки тому +1

      c200 5:04

    • @raksh9
      @raksh9 4 роки тому

      @@Jez3134 Nice, thank you.

  • @63MacGuy
    @63MacGuy 4 роки тому +2

    If you want to take advantage of the excellent focusing of the X-T3, for video, get the 23mm f2.

    • @mogyesz225
      @mogyesz225 4 роки тому

      Why’d you say that? The f2 has better af?

  • @bobbyschandra
    @bobbyschandra 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you which is better for video auto focus ?

  • @spectrum_series
    @spectrum_series 3 роки тому

    Why nobody says about minimal focus distance on these lenses? it makes much sense to have 0.2 instead of 0.7. 23mm is the best lense to get close detailed shots of anything, but not with f1.4.

  • @kristian.mingle
    @kristian.mingle 5 років тому +23

    Compare the 56mm 1.2 and the 50mm f2 by Fuji!

    • @JeremyGalloway
      @JeremyGalloway 5 років тому +5

      Kristian Aviles That would be like comparing a PS3 and a PS4 lol

    • @leovanlierop4580
      @leovanlierop4580 5 років тому +2

      For professional portraiture the 56 wins hands down, when the background is needed and for the street, not so.

    • @OnlineNumberOne
      @OnlineNumberOne 5 років тому +3

      56mm 1.2 has very low autofocus speed, heavy, big and pricey. 2 completely different lenses, wouldn't say that one is better than another. Personally I would prefer 50mm f2.

    • @HR-wd6cw
      @HR-wd6cw 4 роки тому

      They're not quite the same and totally different price points. The 56 is a "true" portrait lens, whereas the 50mm is a general-purpose lens (not as sharp, not as fast either).

    • @kristian.mingle
      @kristian.mingle 4 роки тому

      @@HR-wd6cw since I originally made this comment, I've rented the 56mm 1.2 and after shooting a gig with it, I realized the usability was more important than the f stop. I ended up buying the 50mm f2 instead; the compact size, af speed/reliability and price point were all my deciding factors. Plus its approximately the same weight/size as the 23mm f2 and the two lenses can be interchanged on a gimbal without re-balancing

  • @suds02
    @suds02 3 роки тому

    What camera bag is that you're using?

  • @edgardotoni2237
    @edgardotoni2237 5 років тому +5

    You can see the distance indicator in the freakin' screen. Just set to "M" in that switch in the botton left corner.

  • @demonsaint1296
    @demonsaint1296 4 роки тому +1

    Got the f2 and have money left over for a desk weasel.

  • @MiLLz830
    @MiLLz830 5 місяців тому

    Just got the f2 in silver. 🎉

  • @tinolangisda
    @tinolangisda 5 років тому +1

    in terms of bokeh which one of these lens that would give you best result? is it 35mm 1.4 or 23mm 1.4

    • @pabloitare
      @pabloitare 5 років тому +4

      35, obvius

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому +2

      It depends on what you mean. But you will notice more bokeh with them 35 because it is more zoomed-in that doesn't really mean it is better though

  • @SKSK-gq2yt
    @SKSK-gq2yt Рік тому

    I am leaning towards f2 for travel and street photography. Thanks for the video. Can you please share the sling bag and tripod 6:19mins, you are using in this video? 😊

  • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
    @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому +18

    this guy is like the aussie version of kai

    • @Cagey7531
      @Cagey7531 5 років тому

      Nothing like him whatsoever, only he is Asian. Bit racist then.

    • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
      @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому +1

      Uncaged >also hip
      >also likes to wear a hat of some sort
      >also wears similar style glasses
      >also produces reviews and content for a large scale camera retailer
      >also likes photography
      >and yes, I know he’s asian

    • @Cagey7531
      @Cagey7531 5 років тому

      @@ChairmanZhongXiNa And you imagine that Kai invented all of these things? lol - the glasses look like any generic glasses that people wear, tonnes of people also wear hats - Kai actually hasn't in a long time, hip? ... if you say so

    • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
      @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому +1

      @@Cagey7531 >also shoots in a similar format ie around the city, where their store or based
      >also are based in a formal colony of Britain when making videos for the company
      >also produces reviews and content for a large scale camera retailer

    • @dazdoukas
      @dazdoukas 5 років тому

      Don't mean to hate, but I agree with Uncaged... I don' think he is anything like Kai in his personality or looks.

  • @gherat
    @gherat 5 років тому +1

    Ok, what about that minimal focus distance? Is it better on the f1.4? With the f2 you need to go to 5.6 to get a sharp image close up.

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      You can focus pretty close with the 1.4

  • @volkanozkan4122
    @volkanozkan4122 5 років тому

    Great video, mates! I was so confused 6 months ago about which one to buy next to my new camera xt20. Both are awesome lenses on many terms, so i chose the f1.4 one and i am definitely not regretful over my choice.
    It was nice to watch your comparison video! Keen to see for your new videos!

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому +1

      1.4 is the way to go I agree

  • @birdyashiro1226
    @birdyashiro1226 3 роки тому

    Shi*t the silver lens is real shiny...and I got the silver one...How do I hide it on street😵

  •  3 роки тому

    what is name of gimbal that you use with xpro?

  • @harisupriyono3440
    @harisupriyono3440 5 років тому +1

    The auto focus jiggles on 1.4, right?

  • @dominikd2658
    @dominikd2658 4 роки тому

    I was thinking about changing my current kit 18-55 on one of the 23 series so for now the question is... Is there a really sens to change it in image quality value? I know that the first one is zoom lens but for now I'm thinkig if quality of the photos is really much better on 23 1.4 in mean of sharpnes etc.

    • @dominikd2658
      @dominikd2658 3 роки тому +1

      @@papashirt I bought 16-55 :D

    • @bunmeng007
      @bunmeng007 2 роки тому

      @@dominikd2658 great len but a bit heavy for street

  • @benec5816
    @benec5816 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for another great report very interesting stay safe see ya

  • @junichinomura4810
    @junichinomura4810 5 років тому +3

    Fujifilm 56mm f1.2 vs fujifilm 50mm f2 to complete the f2 version vs the legendary prime lenses of fujifilm 🤔💯💪✌️📸🤣

  • @weezypeasy
    @weezypeasy 4 роки тому

    What camera did you use to film the talking head parts of this video?

  • @ANDEVILGEL04
    @ANDEVILGEL04 4 роки тому

    Please visit Philippines and have a seminar with us newbies please.

  • @CVCC
    @CVCC 5 років тому

    nice job!

  • @mareksling833
    @mareksling833 5 років тому +3

    Total bs review. There are plenty of reviews which prove that F2 version is as good as F1.4. If you are into pixel peeping then sure go for it. Otherwise who cares? BTW there are reviews which clearly show that f.14 version is not sharp if anything it is soft and only becomes shart at f2.8

    • @1977swampy
      @1977swampy 5 років тому

      @@CK-cp7bb did I talk about the price or sharpness of the lens?

    • @1977swampy
      @1977swampy 5 років тому

      @@CK-cp7bb actually the best one is supposed to be 35 1.4

    • @thomasjames7644
      @thomasjames7644 4 роки тому

      CRYPT KEEPER you don’t know what you’re talking about. The 35mm f/1.4 is the lens people regard as one of the best not the 23mm f/1.4.

    • @williamlee7782
      @williamlee7782 4 роки тому

      I read somewhere that the sharpness is soft on the f1.4 when using up close. So if you avoid using it close to it's minimum focal distance, you should be good.

  • @garopeljl
    @garopeljl 5 років тому

    Mitakon 35mm f/0.95 II vs the Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4

  • @kennethnielsen3864
    @kennethnielsen3864 3 роки тому

    167th.

  • @Steger13
    @Steger13 5 років тому

    Hi, what about the focus of the F1 on the xt3 is it better now?

  • @Ric0chetAus
    @Ric0chetAus 5 років тому

    Let us know which one comes with a lens hood next time

  • @themostbeautifulworldever
    @themostbeautifulworldever 4 роки тому

    Excellent review, thanks!

  • @benitoramos8608
    @benitoramos8608 4 роки тому

    How does the f1.4 work on videos?

  • @automotivephoto
    @automotivephoto 4 роки тому

    Thanks for reviewing this 23s

  • @leeeeni
    @leeeeni 5 років тому +7

    Kai? You look different!

    • @Cagey7531
      @Cagey7531 5 років тому +2

      Another dopey moron, he's not even remotely like Kai

  • @pedalandypedal
    @pedalandypedal 4 роки тому

    Video af comparison?

  • @Galacticat_
    @Galacticat_ 5 років тому +1

    Love the 1.4! My most used lens!

  • @xoseanlife
    @xoseanlife 4 роки тому

    Which lens is better for video vfx music videos

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      Video you will want to look at f2 for focusing.

  • @pawncollective7942
    @pawncollective7942 5 років тому +11

    How can you trust this dudes opinion. He wears a peak design backpack ;)

    • @sladjj
      @sladjj 5 років тому

      What's the problema with Peak Designs Backpack?

    • @pawncollective7942
      @pawncollective7942 5 років тому +1

      @@sladjj Main problema is how ugly it is!

    • @sladjj
      @sladjj 5 років тому +2

      @@pawncollective7942 you forgot to add "in my opinion". And that doesnt make his opinion less valuable xD

    • @pawncollective7942
      @pawncollective7942 5 років тому

      @@sladjj hahaha I know. It was mostly a joke.

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      @@pawncollective7942 I really liked that bag when I got it and now it is hard for me to use. not very functional.

  • @АлександрКолесник-г9н

    Very nice rew.

  • @andreika6681
    @andreika6681 3 роки тому

    so many ppl buy f1.4 glass 'cuz they need more light but they don't try dumb flashes and a $100 flash would save 'em blowing extra $400 on f1.4 which will be slow to focus and will miss in 90% of cases. it's a common novices error (sure, i've been where too), expecting solving thier problems with crazy expensive f1.2-f1.4 glass, having soft pix then and missing the focus nearly the time instead of using cheap razor sharp f4-f8 glass and adding bouncing flash only then necessary. and the bokeh thing on portraits... just get a manual 50mm f1.8, your portraits will be fine

  • @justincase12112
    @justincase12112 5 років тому +2

    I got f2 version and returned it, I realized f2 lenses are not my cup of tea. So bought 1.4 version and I am glad i did

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      I tried both and this is exactly what I found out

  • @amosk24
    @amosk24 5 років тому +1

    You should get Lok on the show!

  • @ominoreg
    @ominoreg 5 років тому +1

    24 /1.4 hands down. Setting aside focal length which are the same, an f/2 aperture is equivalent to f/3 in full frame. f/1.4 is equivalent to f/2.1. The extra light and subject isolation is welcome.

  • @viktortsoi3994
    @viktortsoi3994 5 років тому +4

    1.4 is way better. Not because of aperture. But everything else.

    • @noseyparker6622
      @noseyparker6622 5 років тому +10

      Better because its not weather sealed and has slower autofocus......and much bigger and double the price.......

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому +1

      @@noseyparker6622 I wish it was weather sealed. sadly I just carry a plastic bag with me if I get caught shooting outside in rain

  • @rigo.garcia
    @rigo.garcia 4 роки тому

    I sold my 1.4 after I got the 16mm 1.4.

    • @ianplaysbass
      @ianplaysbass 4 роки тому

      Any regrets?

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      I have been thinking of doing that... not sure I really like the 23

  • @stephencaserta2969
    @stephencaserta2969 5 років тому +1

    wouldn't it be a 2 stop difference ?

  • @ja_line
    @ja_line 5 років тому +3

    Hello, uh could you do a review of the Pentax K-P please?

  • @932nic
    @932nic 4 роки тому

    wow

  • @district5rookie
    @district5rookie 5 років тому

    What city is this?

  • @D800Lover
    @D800Lover 3 роки тому

    Why is the word "masks" so bad for some, and same goes for photographers and straps. Masks saves people, straps saves cameras... and your pocket.

  • @markyteo
    @markyteo 5 років тому +1

    Did u see any close-up softness on the 23f2? It's a fairly common complain

    • @cnswanson7207
      @cnswanson7207 5 років тому

      Nam Hua Teo definitely I do. It’s a good portrait lens but not if you’re pixel peeping

    • @markyteo
      @markyteo 5 років тому

      @@cnswanson7207 I'm glad then. I like a more all rounded lens like 27mm f2. 8 even though the fov is more restricted

  • @williamlee7782
    @williamlee7782 4 роки тому

    They say the f2 is better for video users because of the faster and silent AF but the clutch focus with hard stops is better for video. If only it'd have the speed and silence of the LR motor for.us hybrid shooters. While I love the compact form factor of the f2, the f1.4 seems to be the way to go. Knowing myself, I'll probably grab both. Doh.

    • @tazsmith
      @tazsmith 4 роки тому

      I have found out that I really do not like the clutch. It is more flashy then function.

  • @osoperezoso2608
    @osoperezoso2608 5 років тому +4

    IMO, if you're looking for bokeh, neither of these two lenses should be your choice. If you are looking for more separation, neither of these two lenses should be your choice. With high ISO performance in the recent Fuuji bodies, 1 extra stop should not make a difference. If you are afraid of grain, get medium format. I'll never understand why so many photogs hate camera grain, but LOVE to add it later in post. Massive amounts at that.

    • @alexreay4164
      @alexreay4164 5 років тому

      Shooters with modern FF cameras add grain partly because the images are so clean they’re actually sterile.

    • @xSG1969x
      @xSG1969x 4 роки тому

      I sometimes add grain in post instead of in camera because you have much more control over it.

  • @julugs2000
    @julugs2000 5 років тому

    does fujifilm copied the manual switch from olympus pro lens?

  • @mariuskaupas
    @mariuskaupas 4 роки тому

    Wait. This is not Kai?? K bye

  • @zipp4everyone263
    @zipp4everyone263 5 років тому +1

    You cant compare images with different ISO settings m8. Otherwise a nice presentation and good information!

  • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
    @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому

    The f2 is better for street photography and the f1.4 is better for formal events.

    • @westsenkovec
      @westsenkovec 5 років тому +1

      The 1.4 has a focal scale so I don't know about that.

    • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
      @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому

      West Senkovec how does that affect anything? With street photography you aren’t manually focusing all the time

    • @westsenkovec
      @westsenkovec 5 років тому

      Zone focus

    • @ChairmanZhongXiNa
      @ChairmanZhongXiNa 5 років тому

      @@westsenkovec yes but with an aperture as wide as 1.4 it's harder to get crystal clear photos when you don't have time to stop and wait

    • @xoseanlife
      @xoseanlife 4 роки тому

      Which one is good for music videos help

  • @zabtej1645
    @zabtej1645 5 років тому

    yeeaa please shoot more into the sun!!! So beneficial for the sensor!

  • @cnswanson7207
    @cnswanson7207 5 років тому +3

    Lol fake kai Wong

  • @triv8088
    @triv8088 5 років тому

    Misleading! I thought you were Kai

    • @raksh9
      @raksh9 5 років тому +2

      How could you think he was Kai? He looks nothing like Kai. Next you'll be saying that all Asians look the same.

    • @boceskia
      @boceskia 5 років тому +1

      Misleading? To whom? You think he is someone else - how is that his fault?

  • @JH-th5ju
    @JH-th5ju 5 років тому +1

    fake Kai...

  • @JoeShitTheRagMan_GravelGurdy
    @JoeShitTheRagMan_GravelGurdy 5 років тому

    I have the 1.4 and Im not super happy with it.

    • @EduardoGorghetto
      @EduardoGorghetto 4 роки тому

      why?

    • @JoeShitTheRagMan_GravelGurdy
      @JoeShitTheRagMan_GravelGurdy 4 роки тому +1

      ​@@EduardoGorghetto Well it's probably my fault, I guess I had super high expectations when I bought it. It has pretty much been a dust collector until a couple of days ago when I started to use it again.

    • @xSG1969x
      @xSG1969x 4 роки тому +3

      @@JoeShitTheRagMan_GravelGurdy you still haven't really explained why...