Under the Influence S4 E9 - "Just the Two of Us" going to the right people!
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this episode, join Levi and Jerry as they watch/react to a video from the George Janko show! George discusses some of the hardest times in his life and the questions that have brought him struggle in his faith. Appropriately, he takes these questions to the spiritual leaders/mentors that God has put in his life and the UTI guys have some thoughts. Enjoy!
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Loved this episode! Very thought provoking.
Regarding the question of Paul having social media, I think that Paul’s letters in the New Testament already relate to many of the issues in popular media right now.
If we’re being specific, however, I think you guys nailed some of the really big issues (Church unity and good theology, masculinity, gender roles, etc.).
Aside from the topics mentioned above, plus issues of homosexuality (Romans 1, 1 Cor. 6, etc), I would also add the topic of Christian-Jewish relations to that list. This should be a fairly obvious one given his deep concern for the Jewish people throughout Romans (Romans 9:3, for instance).
Paul, was a learned Jew who studied under the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), an esteemed Jewish teacher, and had a deep understanding of the Jewish scriptures.
I think we as Christians often forget just how Jewish Paul really was, which I understand. After all, he was “the Apostle to the gentiles.” Even many modern Jews (and ancient Jews) viewed Paul as a Greek gentile because of his “gentile faith” (after a while, followers of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, were predominantly gentile peoples.)
Anyway, going back to my point, Paul would likely speak a lot about both ethnic and religious Jews (especially since many modern Jewish sects seem to resemble the predominant Jewish parties during the time of Jesus.) Plus, the conflict in Israel with Hamas right now would likely motivate Paul to speak even more fervently.
Moving on, just imagine Paul as a modern apologist…that would be awesome! Even if we suppose that Paul wouldn’t be familiar with modern science, history, and philosophy, he would still be an insane apologist and would likely give some profound insight into modern objections to Christianity (like Epicurean or even more modern versions of the “Problem of Evil” argument, which he may relate to Romans 9:20-21.)
I think we can all agree, as even many non Christians have, that Paul was a philosopher of the first class.
In fact, there is a fascinating article on Paul’s use of Greek philosophy, which I read. There are actually a lot of articles on this topic and even some books, but this article, which I will link, presents a lot: https:biblethingsinbibleways.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/paul-and-his-use-of-greek-philosophy/
Regarding George’s Christian struggle and Paul in Romans 7, you (and most people) seem to take the Augustinian interpretation, which Martin Luther popularized (and, I guess, Cliffe adheres to as well).
This may also relate to the topic of Paul having social media. Perhaps Paul would clarify what he meant in Romans 7.
I myself am not really sold on the later Augustinian or “Christian Struggle” interpretation of Romans 7. However, I’m also not fully committed to the older “Ademic Nature” interpretation of Romans 7 either.
This part of Romans may be an area of interpretation where you and I may disagree. However, this was certainly interesting to listen to and hear your perspectives on.
The Augustinian view certainly is the more personal and relatable view to adhere to.
Continuing with George’s struggle, I was very glad to hear him understand the goodness of the Gospel, magnified by human evil.
George calls humans “trash,” which may suit some positions of hamartiology more than others (maybe the “T” in the Calvinist T.U.L.I.P 🤷. I’m not too sure).
In any case, I understand the discomfort with calling humans “trash” (because we are still made in God’s image and loved by Him). Yet, the Bible does use pretty harsh language in regards to human depravity (not necessarily “total” lol) and human works. For example, there’s Isaiah 64:6-8, which, specifically in verse 6, uses very crude language for the “filth” of our “good works.” I suggest checking different translations and looking at the Hebrew text or seeing what the NET Full Notes Edition says, if you have that particular Bible.
I, personally, have used this language and, specifically, the term “trash” to refer to myself in my own sin.
Regarding Levi’s reflections on God’s justice in 54:19, I think Jerry nails it at 54:48, where he says “His dealing with sin is perfectly Just.”
In the Atonement, when Christ was crucified, all attributes of God were on maximal display. We had broken God’s laws and were required to satisfy God’s wrath (which we can’t). Yet, God satisfied His wrath by putting it on Jesus (wrath). In doing so, because someone took on our punishment, justice was served (justice). And, because it wasn’t us who was punished, we did not get something that we did deserve (mercy.) In God’s showing of mercy, we received a gift that we didn’t deserve; a gift of salvation and eternal life (grace). This was all done for our sake because God wishes none to perish; 1 Tim. 2:4-6 (love). The atonement was the epitome of all these attributes, which correspond to the very essence of who God is; the one true perfect, omnibenevolent, Triune God.
I’m so glad that George is growing in his faith and developing the heart of a servant; the heart of one who wants to serve God.
It’s important for us, who may be struggling with our walk with God, to continue to grow and serve Him.
Like you guys said, we are not good enough, but with God we can do what the impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)
It’s important to grow in our relationship with God for both ourselves and those in our sphere of influence.
We should strive to “smell” (2 Cor. 2:15 and Philippians 4:18) like we are under the influence…of Jesus.
Treasure Planet is one of my wife and my comfort watches every couple months 😂
George is so funny and I have seen things and I wouldn't have realized that he is a Christian
Yah that’s one of the cool things about his content lately vs before. Honestly so much of it now makes it so clear that he is a believer. Stark contrast to before and I love to see that
Some of his content I have seen is from collaboration with the sidemen and then Logan Paul. Havent seen any of the new stuff
Secret of Nimh!
A story for kids that is scary? Is that what you’re referring to?
yall ever seen Fievel? those movies are so scary!
No I don’t think I have!
Back to back recordings. You cheaters
Always
I don't know if it is cheating or grinding
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