I'm a retired auto mech. I have many presses and pullers in my tool boxes that are operated by a screw thread principle. But when I built my shed I made a jig on a sheet of plywood. Set my pieces in the jig, layed some plywood plates on the joint with glue, and nailed er down. It has withstood several feet of Denver snow for about 15 years and still solid as a rock.
The mending plates done with plywood for sure work and work well. I've done the same thing. These metal mending plates offer a possible advantage of being ready to install as soon as the plates are installed as opposed to waiting for the glue to set/cure. Sure, the mechanical fasteners are there to hold the plywood patches but I chose to not stress the members until the glue had set up. But, for future readers: the plywood patches/plates and glue and fasteners is a solid way to secure truss members.
A lot of people don't realize how much pressure you can get with a screw press. That said, this isn't the right choice for everybody, but I was already planning to incorporate this kind of press in my plan to build trusses for a 32-foot wide shop building. Thanks posting this video.
Great idea, but it made me think of something else that would be much faster. Just make plates for a log splitter. Most of them will stand up vertical, so you just have to make supports that would be level with the bottom plate. Most splitter wedges are just held on by a bolt, so you could take that off and bolt on the top plate.
After looking, looking, and looking. I finally saw your video. Very Intelligent Idea ! I think you just solved my problem. You can’t find a portal press anywhere. Thanks again, Sir. Now I just have to get plates and get started
I pressed 8" x 8" truss plates with 2 twenty ton hydraulic jacks. First attempt did not work but my second version worked well. It was surprising how much force was required to fully set the plates, 40 tons!
I keep thinking on this problem of how to press gussets without a $40K truss assembly roller. Archimedes said with a lever long enough he could move the world. I keep thinking that some kind of compound lever can be fashioned that would allow people to quickly position a base and an anchor that would allow a press plate to be positioned so it could press a gusset using just a lever. It might have to work in conjunction with some kind of solid surface with a grid of anchor points, but for any operation that needed to fashion trusses on a regular basis it might be worth it.
1/2 inch impact driver enough power? I didn't get a good glimpse of the one you were using. I am going to use your approach on my own shed with a very basic king post truss with an 8' span and 5/12 pitch, but will also use OSB gussets and 6" truss screws at the apex and 8" ones where the rafters meet the bottom chord, for a belt-and-suspenders approach.
There are truss plates and mending plates. Mending plates are not for trusses or other structural applications, they are used to bond two straight pieces of wood together end to end or repair things like pallets.
I give you credit where credit is due. Perfect? Perhaps not, yet I don’t see 9 others bringing their gang-nail-plate device to the showing. As they say; “Necessity is the mother of all invention!” Congratulations for the guy who should had the idea and got the plate welded and gave it that “American, I can do this!” Try. Automotive ASE Master ( +38 years ) Retired
This is a solid idea for getting it done on your own schedule as you stated. Well done. But, for speed: OTC is/was a company making automotive tools. I had a jumbo C clamp for pressing in/out tie rod ends or something like that (I bought that tool 30 years ago). Very beefy unit. A little southern engineering and a port-a-power (portable, hand-pumped hydraulic cylinder) could be fitted to the clamp. It would take some monkeying around but it would be fairly easy to move from place to place on the truss jig and would likely pump up faster than the four nuts you're using here. You can get the port-a-power generic Chinese stuff from Horrible Freight.
old video... noticed you are using plates that actually say "Not for Truss" on them. Was there a reason for going with that plate vs a structural plate?
This is a great idea if your out framing in the middle of nowhere but, I'd be willing to wait one or two days for a truss company and have my guys go do something productive instead of waiting on each truss. That small truss does not need a metal plate. Have you ever heard of 3/4" plywood gusset. Use a small amount of glue and add 8 staples per side would be sufficient.
Ken Watters. What is it that you do for a living?? I'm a truss designer and I couldn't agree more on your comment. There are people who take the liberty and think that they can build components without any engineering. I know a case where a lumber yard built trusses in their back yard the same way and guess what, they are no longer doing it after a couple builds collapsed. Even if a truss gets damaged in the field YOU NEED AN ENGINEERED TRUSS FIX, if you chose not to, it just adds more stress and deflection to the trusses next to it.
It's not that easy. Having worked in a truss plant I can tell you that sometimes customers place orders and they don't get their trusses for months because there are dozens of orders before theirs.
In many states, if you're a licensed general contractor, with a permit, repairing or modifying an engineered building component, like a truss, requires an engineer's letter. Plywood gusset plates are often used for truss repairs.
You can also use a staple gun to staple the peak of the truss in place and then hammer the plate on. The press makes the pressed plate look pretty but you can hammer it on too. That's cool you are taking things in your own hands.
I've always wanted to build my own trusses. The problem and reality is any job that's going to be inspected needs to be built by a truss manufacturer with certification. Either that or have a Company certify the ones you built which no one would go out of their way to come out and certify. It sucks but it's just the reality of it. I think it would be awesome to build your own trusses for a smaller non permit job though!
Don’t do this but you could ask for a quote for the trusses that you want. After you get a quote ask them for the engineering, tell them the city asked you for it to give you the permit. Once you have the engineering you can make your trusses based on it. The last thing that you will need are the truss labels. Every truss should have a label. You can go to a new construction development, look for a house where they just delivered trusses and take a look at the labels to see how they make them. Then just copy them with yours truss information of course. There, you have trusses with engineering and labels. But don’t do it.
galvanised plates with pre-drilled holes and fixed with flat-head nails (or my preference is tek-screws) is an easier option. hydraulic or other made-for-purpose presses do such a good job.
Why was a nail plate truss needed, for such a simple truss. Their are many ways to permanently attach those cords together, much faster, much cheaper and much better.
Drew st. john you're absolutely right there are a lot of different ways this can be done, this is just one way. We do a lot of the same trusses with to same span and pitch. Something I learned a long time ago when you have employees, is to take the thinking out of it! This jig and pressing plates made the process simple and requires very little experience for a new employee to duplicate. Thanks for your comments.
Way too long. I’ll use nailed and glued plywood instead before doing that. This is only good to fix damaged truss. Not for a whole production scale. And for fixing truss, I’ll use those metal plate with nails instead. I understand the concept but this is a pain to use.
Simpson clearly states their plates are not rated for structural use and only for DIY projects. Lowe's also has similar disclaimer on their web site. Lawyers in the mix as usual...
your system takes too long, mate. it is far better to use a 1/8" mild steel plate with holes for four 3/8" bolts, and you are done, stronger and faster.
Jameson Cross conventional framing is a great way to go and I have done a lot of conventional framing in my life and I have taught a lot of young guys what all those cute little numbers on the side of a framing square actually mean, kind of a dying art. What I am attempting to do here is to create something that a low skilled employees could do for the sheds we build that doesn't require a lot of thinking and can be duplicated quickly. Thanks for your comment.
Ken Watters hey I really appreciate that, I certainly understand the engineering of any truss package I use to own a truss plant. In this particular video I mentioned it will build sheds and portable buildings. Our portable buildings have a maximum span of 12' and not a lot of exposure to failure with a 6' run. Thanks for your comment.
You're criticizing this guy personally and not touching on any actual reason he's doing anything wrong. What about his process is technically poor, assuming his materials fit an established specification? I could see hammering being a poor process for various reasons. He's pressing like factories press except the mechanism is different. It's still even and it's not too rapid. If you're concerned about others doing it, his system requires so much attention and craftsmanship that it's beyond even many skilled craftsmen and fabricators.
@@XRPVenture I would completely agree keep it under 12' span hard to make them fail. In my career I specialize in truss engineering I have seen people hand make there own trusses so many times improperly. Many times it cost them way more than to just have them engineered and delivered.
@@Kimoto504 Sorry shouldn't have been critical. Nothing wrong with using a screw press, the mechanical is massive. My issue is people need to understand that truss plates bought at a big box store are not technically even for structural use. But even if you do have access to truss plates they require engineering and design. Nothing wrong with properly designed plywood gussets either. Or I built my own Timber trusses with steel gusset plates and SDS screws. Just get some professional advise on the design it will likely save you in the long run. I have seen fixing the mistakes cost homeowners so much more than the trusses ever cost to begin with.
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I'm a retired auto mech. I have many presses and pullers in my tool boxes that are operated by a screw thread principle.
But when I built my shed I made a jig on a sheet of plywood. Set my pieces in the jig, layed some plywood plates on the joint with glue, and nailed er down. It has withstood several feet of Denver snow for about 15 years and still solid as a rock.
Knew a guy who built his whole house with this method, been standing for 50 years now
The mending plates done with plywood for sure work and work well. I've done the same thing. These metal mending plates offer a possible advantage of being ready to install as soon as the plates are installed as opposed to waiting for the glue to set/cure. Sure, the mechanical fasteners are there to hold the plywood patches but I chose to not stress the members until the glue had set up. But, for future readers: the plywood patches/plates and glue and fasteners is a solid way to secure truss members.
A lot of people don't realize how much pressure you can get with a screw press. That said, this isn't the right choice for everybody, but I was already planning to incorporate this kind of press in my plan to build trusses for a 32-foot wide shop building. Thanks posting this video.
Great idea, but it made me think of something else that would be much faster. Just make plates for a log splitter. Most of them will stand up vertical, so you just have to make supports that would be level with the bottom plate. Most splitter wedges are just held on by a bolt, so you could take that off and bolt on the top plate.
After looking, looking, and looking. I finally saw your video. Very Intelligent Idea ! I think you just solved my problem. You can’t find a portal press anywhere. Thanks again, Sir. Now I just have to get plates and get started
Great idea! Neither can I wait 16 weeks for my trusses to come in. Great alternative! Thanks for your video.
I pressed 8" x 8" truss plates with 2 twenty ton hydraulic jacks. First attempt did not work but my second version worked well. It was surprising how much force was required to fully set the plates, 40 tons!
I had thought of this, but you have shown it is feasible (as well as where to get the pressing plate).
Thanks for posting!
I keep thinking on this problem of how to press gussets without a $40K truss assembly roller. Archimedes said with a lever long enough he could move the world. I keep thinking that some kind of compound lever can be fashioned that would allow people to quickly position a base and an anchor that would allow a press plate to be positioned so it could press a gusset using just a lever. It might have to work in conjunction with some kind of solid surface with a grid of anchor points, but for any operation that needed to fashion trusses on a regular basis it might be worth it.
I think this is awesome, thanks for the demonstration
1/2 inch impact driver enough power? I didn't get a good glimpse of the one you were using. I am going to use your approach on my own shed with a very basic king post truss with an 8' span and 5/12 pitch, but will also use OSB gussets and 6" truss screws at the apex and 8" ones where the rafters meet the bottom chord, for a belt-and-suspenders approach.
Always wondered what these plates were sold for, when they have stickers on them saying they aren’t for trusses. What the hell else are they used for?
There are truss plates and mending plates. Mending plates are not for trusses or other structural applications, they are used to bond two straight pieces of wood together end to end or repair things like pallets.
all this to avoid just buying some trusses?
I give you credit where credit is due. Perfect? Perhaps not, yet I don’t see 9 others bringing their gang-nail-plate device to the showing. As they say; “Necessity is the mother of all invention!” Congratulations for the guy who should had the idea and got the plate welded and gave it that “American, I can do this!” Try.
Automotive ASE Master ( +38 years ) Retired
What diameter bolts did you use?
This is a solid idea for getting it done on your own schedule as you stated. Well done. But, for speed: OTC is/was a company making automotive tools. I had a jumbo C clamp for pressing in/out tie rod ends or something like that (I bought that tool 30 years ago). Very beefy unit. A little southern engineering and a port-a-power (portable, hand-pumped hydraulic cylinder) could be fitted to the clamp. It would take some monkeying around but it would be fairly easy to move from place to place on the truss jig and would likely pump up faster than the four nuts you're using here. You can get the port-a-power generic Chinese stuff from Horrible Freight.
Found out by trying that 700 foot-pounds of fastening torque isn't enough. Gets the plate seated about half way.
Lol! That finger or thumb! "I want to be in the video too!"
Cool idea! No waiting!!👌👍
I work at a truss, I started in 1998. We have a portable hydraulic/ electric press for on site.
Do you remember the name of the machine?
Great idea, thanks for posting!
How do the Amish survive do without truss plates and certifications?
how about using a 12T shop press? and that looked like a really small plate too...
old video... noticed you are using plates that actually say "Not for Truss" on them. Was there a reason for going with that plate vs a structural plate?
genius Idea! I'm gonna try it out
This is a great idea if your out framing in the middle of nowhere but, I'd be willing to wait one or two days for a truss company and have my guys go do something productive instead of waiting on each truss. That small truss does not need a metal plate. Have you ever heard of 3/4" plywood gusset. Use a small amount of glue and add 8 staples per side would be sufficient.
Ken Watters. What is it that you do for a living?? I'm a truss designer and I couldn't agree more on your comment. There are people who take the liberty and think that they can build components without any engineering. I know a case where a lumber yard built trusses in their back yard the same way and guess what, they are no longer doing it after a couple builds collapsed. Even if a truss gets damaged in the field YOU NEED AN ENGINEERED TRUSS FIX, if you chose not to, it just adds more stress and deflection to the trusses next to it.
It's not that easy. Having worked in a truss plant I can tell you that sometimes customers place orders and they don't get their trusses for months because there are dozens of orders before theirs.
In many states, if you're a licensed general contractor, with a permit, repairing or modifying an engineered building component, like a truss, requires an engineer's letter. Plywood gusset plates are often used for truss repairs.
Wil 1/2 plywood work as gusset plates
@@johnnymensi1865 yes, but they now require 3/4" in FL
awesome idea. thank you for sharing
make a jig for a log splitter
Or do it by hand with a 2.5 lb sledge and set three plates in the same amount of time it takes to operate that contraption
Seems like the truss plate should have been bigger.
bravo! adapt and overcome.
You can also use a staple gun to staple the peak of the truss in place and then hammer the plate on. The press makes the pressed plate look pretty but you can hammer it on too. That's cool you are taking things in your own hands.
The plate will look ugly if you hammer it on just a heads up if you try it that way
The correct way is with a press....you compromise the overall strength of the plate if it’s hammers on
Roddy da said it exatly
I've always wanted to build my own trusses. The problem and reality is any job that's going to be inspected needs to be built by a truss manufacturer with certification. Either that or have a Company certify the ones you built which no one would go out of their way to come out and certify. It sucks but it's just the reality of it. I think it would be awesome to build your own trusses for a smaller non permit job though!
Don’t do this but you could ask for a quote for the trusses that you want. After you get a quote ask them for the engineering, tell them the city asked you for it to give you the permit. Once you have the engineering you can make your trusses based on it. The last thing that you will need are the truss labels. Every truss should have a label. You can go to a new construction development, look for a house where they just delivered trusses and take a look at the labels to see how they make them. Then just copy them with yours truss information of course. There, you have trusses with engineering and labels. But don’t do it.
galvanised plates with pre-drilled holes and fixed with flat-head nails (or my preference is tek-screws) is an easier option. hydraulic or other made-for-purpose presses do such a good job.
Great all you need is a structural engineer to specify the plate size and position?
Interesting innovation … what do you guys think of "Press On Nails" ? Do you have any experience?
So you have to make a compression plate for every connection point in the truss design? Maybe if you have make a 100!
Why do people use these plates for trusses. It is stamped on the side not use them for this.
Jerry Flores having worked in a truss plant I can tell you that you're absolutely wrong.
some are made for trusses, some are not
The box on the table is MP36 mending plates. The manufacturer specifically states "For non-structural applications only; not for truss applications".
@@officialmetalwill It says, stamped in the truss they are NOT for Trusses.
Did you ever file a patent for this? You should sell this idea to DeWalt or someone. Hell, I'd buy four sets!
Dayamn. That is perfect.
Why was a nail plate truss needed, for such a simple truss. Their are many ways to permanently attach those cords together, much faster, much cheaper and much better.
Drew st. john you're absolutely right there are a lot of different ways this can be done, this is just one way. We do a lot of the same trusses with to same span and pitch. Something I learned a long time ago when you have employees, is to take the thinking out of it! This jig and pressing plates made the process simple and requires very little experience for a new employee to duplicate. Thanks for your comments.
Do you feel wood/nails for connectors or pounding in aluminum brackets? Which one would be easier & stronger?
It would be faster to use glue and screws and plywood.
Galvanized steel, not aluminum.
We make nail plates
Wood gusset would be way faster and a nail gun
Fulltime worker at a truss plant and you have to be certified to build trusses great idea though
I work at a truss plant and there is not certifications needed. Just be willing to work and have a desire to make it right
@@chrisbuckley1785 Your boss or owner is certified. You wouldn't have a job if not.
Way too long. I’ll use nailed and glued plywood instead before doing that. This is only good to fix damaged truss. Not for a whole production scale. And for fixing truss, I’ll use those metal plate with nails instead. I understand the concept but this is a pain to use.
Seems like a plaintiff's attorney's dream come true. (Even if it is just a shed). Don't let your insurance lapse.
Stick to your desk job, let the men handle the real work
Simpson clearly states their plates are not rated for structural use and only for DIY projects. Lowe's also has similar disclaimer on their web site. Lawyers in the mix as usual...
your system takes too long, mate.
it is far better to use a 1/8" mild steel plate with holes for four 3/8" bolts, and you are done, stronger and faster.
Arbor press much faster and more efficient
mine works better I made a big giant c works just like a shop press. except the use of an impact gun
stonedimaculate1983 that's what I was thinking, a giant C-Clamp.
Why don't you just learn how to do conventional framing. then you'll have a useful storage in the attic as well. It's not that hard.
Jameson Cross conventional framing is a great way to go and I have done a lot of conventional framing in my life and I have taught a lot of young guys what all those cute little numbers on the side of a framing square actually mean, kind of a dying art. What I am attempting to do here is to create something that a low skilled employees could do for the sheds we build that doesn't require a lot of thinking and can be duplicated quickly. Thanks for your comment.
Far to slow this wouldn't do in a production line I made trusses for 18 years with the HYDRAULIC PRESS
Alex Croy if you are a semi-DYI’er and can’t afford or have access to a press, then this might be a good solution.
By no means a speedy process. I prefer a hammer.
All I got to say is I make a living on fixing dumb shit people do. This is an engineered component not something framer Joe should be building.
Ken Watters hey I really appreciate that, I certainly understand the engineering of any truss package I use to own a truss plant. In this particular video I mentioned it will build sheds and portable buildings. Our portable buildings have a maximum span of 12' and not a lot of exposure to failure with a 6' run. Thanks for your comment.
You're criticizing this guy personally and not touching on any actual reason he's doing anything wrong. What about his process is technically poor, assuming his materials fit an established specification? I could see hammering being a poor process for various reasons. He's pressing like factories press except the mechanism is different. It's still even and it's not too rapid.
If you're concerned about others doing it, his system requires so much attention and craftsmanship that it's beyond even many skilled craftsmen and fabricators.
@@XRPVenture I would completely agree keep it under 12' span hard to make them fail. In my career I specialize in truss engineering I have seen people hand make there own trusses so many times improperly. Many times it cost them way more than to just have them engineered and delivered.
@@Kimoto504 Sorry shouldn't have been critical. Nothing wrong with using a screw press, the mechanical is massive. My issue is people need to understand that truss plates bought at a big box store are not technically even for structural use. But even if you do have access to truss plates they require engineering and design. Nothing wrong with properly designed plywood gussets either. Or I built my own Timber trusses with steel gusset plates and SDS screws. Just get some professional advise on the design it will likely save you in the long run. I have seen fixing the mistakes cost homeowners so much more than the trusses ever cost to begin with.