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00:00 Catchy Hook 00:28 Franklins Weave Breakdown 00:59 It's really strong, and it's no secret 01:46 Pregame Tips 02:30 Helpful Perks 04:00 In Trial Tips 05:46 The other Toxic Perk 06:30 Like and Subscribe! New Videos every Saturday! Something I forgot to mention is that weave attunement doesn't show auras if the item is left in the chest. If the killer is running hoarder, they'll get a notification when the chests are opened, but if the item isn't worth picking up then just leaving it there doesn't hurt anyone, and doesn't make you oblivious. Also, Distortion and Object are great perks I forgot to mention. Thanks for the support, it's been crazy to see all the feedback! Check out my followup video on Bardic Inspiration ua-cam.com/video/UzIMTO-s3yU/v-deo.html
Thanks to this video, I think many killer mains saw it and just stopped bringing the perk combo. I still choose to play it safe and not bring items and move any items I see to a corner of the map
My personal favorite counter to this build is Object Of Obsession. It allows you to make the build work for you rather than against you. You'll see the killer's aura 100% of the time as long as you're in range of an item. You can even intentionally drop your item to reap the aura reading benefits. This can make loops such as shack infinite as you can both see each other through walls, eliminating mind games. You can also drop your item while on a gen to take advantage of the 6% repair speed buff at the cost of your aura being shown. It can come in clutch if someone else is preoccupying the killer's attention. You do not need to be the obsession for this counter to work as regardless of obsession status, object will reveal the killer's aura to you whenever they can see yours (unless the killer is undetectable).
@@Yuri98 I actually had a game with object against an amanda's letter pig and it helped a lot because even though you don't see the aura the perk icon still lights up so it just told me she was nearby.
@@alexmercer9304 no, the aura reveal every 30 seconds is tied to being obsession, the other part where you see killer aura if they see yours is always on
@ToxicSentinelTTV yup I fuck with them when I'm on my SM when I throw down my drone, and I use the add on that makes my undetectable last 20% longer lol
I mean I play both killer and survivor this perk combo is ass you legit have wallhacks the entire game. Only if u are a bum ass killer do u not get a 4k wit this unless people don’t bring items like the creator said. I played a vecna who had a nasty 3 gen in the middle with this perk combo as soon as someone would touch a gen there he would be. The game lasted over 45 minutes and he didn’t get one sacrifice. This feels like skull merchant all over again
@@d3st3s not in my case this has happened to me countless times. This is the new “meta” and as a solo q player there’s dog shit I can do about it. I don’t want to run an entire build to “counter” 2 perks that a killer brings when I know that the other survivors all brought items and all getting hit near middle area in the beginning of the game (3-5 gens left) if this is the case you literally cannot win cannot heal cannot do gens without the killer right in your face. Than people prob say we’ll do gens far away from middle so he can’t see you… ok I do that than I’m left with a nasty 3 gen in the middle that is super patrolable. I try to take chase and mans doesn’t want any part of me just like a CO in a jail just patrolling constantly not even worried about survivors. Just not fun every game I face with this is this… even if I win it wasn’t fun and it took me 45 minutes lol
I'd say object of obsession is the best for it, you can literally turn the franklin weave build against the killer, you can just put items in the muddle of the loops like shack or jungle gym and you can just see them and there is nothing they can do
Not if they are undetectable. That's why I been running the 20% longer in undetectable when I drop my drones on SM. I've been getting so much salt with Franklin's, weave, horders, pop, then having to do with my drones on top of it lol.
You can even bring the items with you to gens and place it down to see them all the time and get 6% boost for repair. Once done pick up item and go to next gen.
I main killer and bring Frankie's and Weave on Vecna - I'll be honest, I saw a team do this once and it blew my mind. I had to sit there and just look at this pile of crap in disbelief. Had to let them go, that was peak.
Same ppl are hating it when I play my main skull merchant lol. Franklin's, weave, horders, and pop. Use the 20% longer undetectable and supercharge for 15% longer claw traps. I get so much info it's crazy! I see when they pick up items, open chests, run through my drones, and auras from items. When ppl use object of obsession, I can drop my drone down for undetectable, and they can't see my aura lol. SM is super mean with this build.
@@bigphil0005bro no wonder they hate it. Skull merchant is already annoying af than u put this perk combo on… Jesus if I ever meet u don’t worry about finding me I’ll find you at a hook brother, I ain’t got time for an hour long match
Seeing people find the solutions for the puzzle is awesome. This is an awesome counter to weave. Some people are also using object of obsession because of the killer can see you you can see the killer so you can use weave against the killer as well with object.
Another good couple of perks is boon: shadow step as that will hide auras, so you can stash any dropped items in the boon, and object of obsession to counter wallhack the killer
Moving the items to the corner of the map while the killer is chasing or carrying a survivor is such an obvious counter that it makes me sick to think about how many ppl are complaining about this killer perk combo.
Has a dramaturgy absolute FANATIC, it is NOT the perk you want to be using against this combo. For one, it gives you oblivious for 30 seconds regardless of the item you got from drama because of Weave attunement. And if you roll the item scenario while holding anything it will drop and make a free radar along side giving you oblivious.
Another note I didn't see is you can 99 your items, don't fully deplete them when you can avoid it. This lets you drop the item in a corner without triggering weave twice or triggering hoarder at all.
Nifty little trick you can always check for weave at the beginning of a match if you have an item simply by placing it on the ground it'll show you the perk icon and when you pick it back up obviously you'll be oblivious then you could always guarantee that they most likely have Franklin's as well then you could just start stacking items in the corner of the maps😂
Yes, I think I mentioned it somewhere, maybe too briefly. What I'm choosing to focus on is not starting with an item, you won't need to check every game. Great tip tho
yeah its all fun and games until everyone is searching chest and getting hit so now there's a map wide radar for the killer from all the dropped items nobody wants
This is great advice. I'm definitely going to keep it on mind. Going in without an item is a little silly for me, but a good counter. I five myself just picking up items and then dropping them in a corner of the map no one needs to go to lol
It's as simple as taking your item and putting it in the corner of the map.When you're done with that, you don't have the knot.Bring in items or have four perk slots dedicated to items that's just ridiculous And by the way , you can run object of obsession and just set them on the ground and also have eyes on a killer at same time
As with all these things, I don’t want to run builds to counter things that might never happen. I run builds that are guaranteed to be of use in every single game.
I just stopped bringing medkits and any items i find on the ground, i just move the to the closest corner of the map to basically counter the aura reading. As well as I noticed killers suddenly just stopped doing the perk combo since this video released in my games
I guess this goes without saying, but Distortion isn’t a bad counter either. Distortion counters so many aura reading perks, so if you’re not feeling object of obsession, distortion should help out.
using plunder's to see items you could coordinate with the team to have all the used items dropped in a low traffic area of the trial. (area where gens are done and pallets are depleted.)
I think this wouldn’t be such a problem if survivors just dropped items when they go down naturally and they got rid of franklins. I doesn’t make sense that you can have your item in your hand while crawling and on a hook.
@@rixceymanning7148 they can't just remove Franklin's though. It's a perk on a licensed character. They reworked bubba recently if I'm not mistaken, maybe it's not crazy they could make it base kit and rework it like Borrowed Time?
As a killer main, an even easier way to counter it is to place the items in corners of the map and away from main objectives. I know you mentioned this but all the others seems to complex to pull off
I have a better option but its not solo queue fool proof. Run Object + Apprasial and Plunderers. The goal is to put items in strong tiles intentionally to wall hack the killer as if it was wiretap
@@ultimatedespair2368 That's actually a really good idea, I haven't thought of that. You can also use Ace in hole for better items. But the thing is, you need to know if you're going against this build otherwise all this build is kinda pointless
I was playing as Ash one time with the puppet and the killer didn’t know I had an item it was a key. I dropped it and picked it up after I was about to escape.
Ooor just drop your item immediately as soon trial starts and pick it back up revealing the build, if so simply leave your item in a corner until needed.
Bring object instead, get wallhacks when you leave items at shack. And you get 6% boost in gen progression if you drop the item next to you at the gen.
The perks I use the counter this combo is distortion Built to Last and Vigil Distortion so your aura won’t be shown when you’re near the item Built to last, so when you pick up the item and it’s empty, you can bring it back to life Vigil so when You’re in the oblivious state it goes away quicker.
I am always keen on chest but since this perk combo exists I shouldn't as I once detected the value for the killer with distortion and the stacks just flew.
Don’t open chest like a bot and waste time being unproductive. Just hotswitch last second and if you forget just go drop the item in the corner and go pick it up before you leave.
i don't understand this video. if you're opening chests, and rummaging through them, aren't you just creating MORE "radars" for the killer? and if you're going to place all of the unwanted items from the chests in the corner, doesn't that waste precious time?
As both, survivor and killer player I like this perk, combo. Yes it's annoying to play against it but so are other aura reading perks. And it gives new use for twins perk. I would be sad if it got nerfed. But as survivor it generates need for different builds and I think that's good. The meta is changing and is bringing value to more abandoned perks on both sides
as a killer main i just always bring weave its crazy good cause most survivors that try to gen rush will drop the tool box when its done without stoping work on the gen. it gives me the que in to go kick the gen and chase them some. i been in some crazy stupid matches that dont even last 6 minutes because of gen rush builds with no counter play if you cant even find the surviors. or your stuck running nothing but gen regression and block perks.
I like the part about bringing all items to the map boarders or useless corners, BUT 1) I don't understand why you want to loot more chests against such a build, it seems very weird for me, especially in soloqueue, cause in a long match you just will create a crazy amount of radars. Just don't bring items and don't loot freaking chests? 2) You completely missed, that you can use Weave Attunement as your own instrument as survivor - if you playing with Object of Obsession, you can put items in big\tall or indoor loops and make it almost completely unplayable for killers, especially 4.4m/s ones 3) God please don't call this toxic, it's NOT that hard to counter if aware of debuffs on you and have common sense, we just need to wait until more soloqueue survivors will be more aware (ahahahaha) 4) And also one more solution: you can use a Boon: Shadow step and make a warehouse inside of it's range, somewhere near repaired generator (I already practiced it and almost everytime soloqueue teammates will understand what are you doing and bringing their items there as well). Later in the game you can heal here or take something that you need.
me and my friend who are duo stopped bringing items about 3 days ago when we kept seeing this perks combo never saw it again afterwards I mean in 30+ games. so it seems 2 itemless survivors is enough to for killers to change their build in lobby I think killer might still keep it with 3 survivors with items though.
Na I still bring it anyways on my Skull Merchant lol.. I can get kills easily without perks. Most of the time the ones that don't bring items I see them going for chest so I get the notification. Then slapping the ones that do get chest items or that did bring an item I slap it out for the aura. Then to counter object of obsession I can throw down a drone for undetectable. I also use the addon that gives her 20% longer duration on undetectable. Trust me I've been getting so much salt and dcs
Lol I was about to say horders is so damn good with this combo. I still will bring combo with no items on my SM. With drones, constant explosions from ppl picking up items or going to chests, or just the aura from the item that I slap out your hands. I get wicked good info, I also use pop for gen regression as my 4th perk.
Interesting suggestion on how to counter Franklin/weave/plunders combo but I don't see why you have to call it toxic, particularly since you didn't consider ftp/buckle up combo toxic when you suggested these perks in your shrine showcase a few weeks back, killers using their perks and playing how they want is no more toxic than survivors using theirs and also playing how they want
Part of the reason I felt comfortable talking about it is because It had been announced it was getting nerfed at the time. Play how you want bro, I could be running meta shit but I like my chests
I think the range of weave needs to be a little bit shorter because depending on the map this tactic might not work.... like indoor maps rip gideons and midwich... rpd can be worked with albiet carefully.... haven't had it happen in Lery's yet
As a player on both sides i do think this combo is fine, annoying yes, but it's fine. we have gotten passed the nerfs to the gen kicking meta while gen rushing metas are on the rise. I'm just happy there is a new meta that makes finding survivors easier so it can lead to chases more. also people underestimate how powerful items are. not so much medkits anymore. but toolboxes and flashlight well all know what they can do. i think this combo just takes the survivor's greed and it gets uno reversed on them. like I got greedy trying to pick my toolbox back and got instant karma.
the thing is just that noone brings this to counter flashlights, people have always and will always just bring lightborn, saving a perk slot for more gen regression, yay!
this perk combo can be strong enough to make up for the lack of slowdown. Just not every game. Lightborn def counters flashlight, but so does looking at a wall. or looking up. or looking down. or turning around. franklins is a different totally viable option too, just isn't a hard counter like lightborn
@@nspgcertified7608 Honestly imo yes it is, not just cause of your aura being hidden for 10 seconds but also your scratch marks. Can lead to some pretty good getaways
It's all about point of view. From the survivors POV, perks that directly affect their ability to have fun is often called toxic in the community. And of course it goes for both sides. It's not a word I agree with necessarily, but one the dbd community at large has adopted. Hope this helped!
I don't use hoarder 😅 I prefer franklins weave with lanquid favor. Block pallets, counter exhaustion perks, and keep items from giving me a hard time 😊
I'm a killer main, this perk comb should be Meta. because the fact that Gen regression perks have been heavily nerfed. And it's a good counter to being Gen rushed, bully Bully squads, and Sabo plays. I use this comb alot and I still lose. U can even counter it with one boon perk that hides auras. If killers can have counters to items. And good items are very strong all in themselves. There are ways to counter play everything
So…the counter is to get gud and deal with it got it…however the new heal meta is on the way desperate measures or selfcare. Botany knowledge, (soon buffed) empathetic connection.✌🏽
Let's just face it. Franklins was always a really stupid, unfair perk, and weave attunement just makes it ten times as much so. Your "easy counters" aren't really counters if they put you at a disadvantage regardless, or you waste five minutes in a match rummaging through chests and screwing around with items juggling them to the edge of the map. It all sounds great in theory, until you realize those five minutes could have slammed out three gens, or that one item you put out of the way on the edge of the map reveals your injured teammate that just juked the killer.
the point of the video is to inform everybody about this combo because it's really popular, and everyone should know how to play around it. The "easy counters" are for avoiding weave and still using good items through chests. If you're IN a game with franklins-weave, I've included tips at the end of the video for dealing with it and that's actually where you're right. Interacting with chests at all is a time loss yes, but it can be worth it if weave isn't in play. If it is, obviously DONT open chests, it only makes it stronger. As for franklins being stupid, true, but what would you suggest to change it. Removing it isn't an option. Hope this helped!
Lmao seeing someone call franklins and weave toxic is funny to me lol but yeah its good info, but thats all it really is. Info. But ya its insanely easy to counter
really surpised you didnt mention object of obsession because its just one perk, and wallhacks on the killer is way better than them having wallhacks on you lol
yeah I didn't realize it had been reworked. I missed a year and a half of changes, but I'm much happier with the game now. Part of the fun is learning about new stuff. Object might be one I make a video on
@@nspgcertified7608 yeah objects honestly such a good counter and heavily punishes the killer for a build like this. i think jrm or some other dbd youtuber made a video about object vs weave and it helped a ton
*Distortion* But in all seriousnes, Weave attunement is a fun new perk with an unigue and strong effect. Maybe it deserves a slight radius nerf so that a single useless broken key doesn't reveal an entire loop, but please stop complaining about it before Bhvr guts the entire perk into something thats complitely useless, and killers switch to 4 slowdowns beacuse nothing else is worth running.
So a little problem, lately a lot of killers have been tryharding for kills or running Franklins aggressively. I don't mean to say it is impossible, but asking more survivors to bring that selection of perks is going to cause even more killer-sided matches. I mean this from experience as I have taken the time to gather items for my characters during this event. I have run 80% of my matches with Ace in the hole and Appraisal(plunderer's instinct sometimes but I found it isn't as needed with the large amount of chests and appraisal uses)(the other perks aren't needed either as you usually have a large selection of items, usually including green at the minimum.). If you're going to farm, which I highly discourage from personal experience, then you only need appraisal and Ace in the hole. I don't want survivors dying because they only had item perks and the killer ran the franklin combo.
nah i just bring insta heals every game got like 400 since i never use them but this change makes me use them since it wastes killer perks instead of bringing pop, pain res, deadlock, corrupt they bring these item perks and its just so funny having a full swf of flashlights and then switching to med kits right before. we've duped so many killer that wasted 2-3 perk slots XD best counter no doubt
use object of obsession & decisive strike to guarantee ur the obsession. youre welcome. i cannot believe u rn. object is not in this build???? son pls.
Meh franklin simply isn't worth it, most people will randomly notice weaves up 🤔 and by then they mostly forgot where it is, plus lethal gives a bit extra seconds, when survivors leave the radar. (I think) Leaves open 2 free slots for whatever I want and if no one brings items doesn't really matter I still have 3 free slots if I don't wanna use lethal
shame what people consider toxic "How dare you counter our items, that is so toxic" Survivors have many ways to counter killers, some built into the Killer's trials. Survivor entitlement is strong in this one.
It's not really toxic, but it's about as close to toxic as a perk can be. It's not about countering items, though, as people don't think Lightborn for example is toxic. Some people find Lightborn annoying because they're bored of gens and just want to go for flashy saves or do a killer blind archive challenge, but nobody would call it toxic. Franklins is obnoxious because the killer straight up slaps your item out of your hand and then depletes its charges so it's not even worth going back later to recover it. I overall prefer the killer role and Franklins is the most tilting perk to get hit by in the game for me. Meanwhile, Hoarder is just mean because survivors doing chests is free slowdown for the killer, and using that perk means you want to punish people for doing things other than generators.
@Zakon673 ah yes the I'm bored of actually playing the game so let me follow my friend around and flashlight save him then get tunneled by the killer. Classic and I don't really see how Franklin's is obnoxious. Yeah it knocks the item off and depletes it. But so does using your item unless you bring built to last....the items don't win you the matches and before weave was made Franklin's was barely ever used
I brought Franklin seeing 3 med kits and 1 flashlight + blood warden for my endgame Chucky build, turns out they got 3 meta med kits which I am glad I brought Franklin and caught a teabagging survivor who stays oblivious to my blood warden activation and just teabagging there. That Feng ent I caught called me using baby perks and yet I guess it not the perk baby but the survivor acting baby.
You can do a test for this build at the start of the game by just dropping your item on the ground for a moment. If you see that the killer has weave attunement, you can go to the corner of the map and drop your item there so the killer doesn't get anything out of it.
I hope it doesn't get nerfed too heavily. I think the aura reading range on weave is a bit too much rn but could still be great if dialed down slightly
Chests CAN be worth it, and this video shows you how to do it. Giving the killer your aura for free isn't the end of the world with a coordinated team, but not every team is coordinated enough to pull it off. & still can't believe I forgot to mention distortion. At some point I had to decide to stop writing and start editing
@@nspgcertified7608Im sorry I should have made it more clear. I was talking about Scavengers Perk icon and that it didn’t fit with Pharmacy and Manifest. Is frustrates me. IYou did nothing wrong, I was talking about Gabriel. It is a really good video.
Bru, people over thinking things. If you see he is running that build, drop the item in a corner. And i prefer killer running this over them using gen defend perks. This is not gonna be a meta. Not something to worry about. And a survivor with some basic skills down need items to survive. I mainly play survivors 80% of the time, and dont bring items that ofthen and it did never really change my chance to survive.
I'm 100% honest: I still think that Chests are the most useless thing ever. If you don't want to give the Killer free Weave Attunement, bring no Item. It's not like playing without Item is equal to throwing. And opening chests wastes tons of time, if you make yourself a build around it you even waste Perk slots. Absolutely not worth it in my opinion. The second option is to straight up ignore Weave Attunement. By going out of your way to get every Item and place it into a corner you waste plenty of time. And then the Killer could still have Floods of Rage or Gearhead and see you all the time. Why bother about that? I don't see the issue with the Killer knowing where you are. Unless it's a sniping Huntress for example this doesn't really matter. The last option is to run Distortion as a hard counter.
00:00 Catchy Hook
00:28 Franklins Weave Breakdown
00:59 It's really strong, and it's no secret
01:46 Pregame Tips
02:30 Helpful Perks
04:00 In Trial Tips
05:46 The other Toxic Perk
06:30 Like and Subscribe! New Videos every Saturday!
Something I forgot to mention is that weave attunement doesn't show auras if the item is left in the chest. If the killer is running hoarder, they'll get a notification when the chests are opened, but if the item isn't worth picking up then just leaving it there doesn't hurt anyone, and doesn't make you oblivious. Also, Distortion and Object are great perks I forgot to mention.
Thanks for the support, it's been crazy to see all the feedback!
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Thanks to this video, I think many killer mains saw it and just stopped bringing the perk combo. I still choose to play it safe and not bring items and move any items I see to a corner of the map
My personal favorite counter to this build is Object Of Obsession. It allows you to make the build work for you rather than against you. You'll see the killer's aura 100% of the time as long as you're in range of an item. You can even intentionally drop your item to reap the aura reading benefits. This can make loops such as shack infinite as you can both see each other through walls, eliminating mind games. You can also drop your item while on a gen to take advantage of the 6% repair speed buff at the cost of your aura being shown. It can come in clutch if someone else is preoccupying the killer's attention. You do not need to be the obsession for this counter to work as regardless of obsession status, object will reveal the killer's aura to you whenever they can see yours (unless the killer is undetectable).
yup that ishow I gave myself perma wallhacks - that Vecna still hates my guts for sure
All fun and games until the Pig crouches 😅
@@Yuri98 I actually had a game with object against an amanda's letter pig and it helped a lot because even though you don't see the aura the perk icon still lights up so it just told me she was nearby.
This perk also forces killer's lightborn work for you in same way.😂
hehe thats why i run third seal with it, no aura for you!!
Object of Obsesion makes you have wallhacks all the time
another simple way of countering it: bring object of obsession. the killer sees you, you see the killer
Only works if you're the obsession though
@@alexmercer9304 no, the aura reveal every 30 seconds is tied to being obsession, the other part where you see killer aura if they see yours is always on
Unless the killer has undetectable
@ToxicSentinelTTV yup I fuck with them when I'm on my SM when I throw down my drone, and I use the add on that makes my undetectable last 20% longer lol
@@bigphil0005 This inspires joy 😊
someone putting worth an ACTUAL suggestion instead of just wasting 10 minutes saying "get good"? you get a like.
Finally a killer meta that is not gen regression. So much fun this perk combo
Exactly and people still whine like fin babies
really true, its not anoying staling perk that is really hard to counter.
I mean I play both killer and survivor this perk combo is ass you legit have wallhacks the entire game. Only if u are a bum ass killer do u not get a 4k wit this unless people don’t bring items like the creator said. I played a vecna who had a nasty 3 gen in the middle with this perk combo as soon as someone would touch a gen there he would be. The game lasted over 45 minutes and he didn’t get one sacrifice. This feels like skull merchant all over again
@@colezamora1455 This is just a single case
@@d3st3s not in my case this has happened to me countless times. This is the new “meta” and as a solo q player there’s dog shit I can do about it. I don’t want to run an entire build to “counter” 2 perks that a killer brings when I know that the other survivors all brought items and all getting hit near middle area in the beginning of the game (3-5 gens left) if this is the case you literally cannot win cannot heal cannot do gens without the killer right in your face. Than people prob say we’ll do gens far away from middle so he can’t see you… ok I do that than I’m left with a nasty 3 gen in the middle that is super patrolable. I try to take chase and mans doesn’t want any part of me just like a CO in a jail just patrolling constantly not even worried about survivors. Just not fun every game I face with this is this… even if I win it wasn’t fun and it took me 45 minutes lol
Killers can pry my medkit from my cold, dead hands- literally.
I'd say object of obsession is the best for it, you can literally turn the franklin weave build against the killer, you can just put items in the muddle of the loops like shack or jungle gym and you can just see them and there is nothing they can do
They can see you as well though
@@ThedreadrogueYT being able to see the killer as a survivor is more beneficial to the survivor
Not if they are undetectable. That's why I been running the 20% longer in undetectable when I drop my drones on SM. I've been getting so much salt with Franklin's, weave, horders, pop, then having to do with my drones on top of it lol.
You can even bring the items with you to gens and place it down to see them all the time and get 6% boost for repair. Once done pick up item and go to next gen.
Another great thing you can do and still bring an item: put it in the corner
yep this is what I do when killers have the perk combo
I main killer and bring Frankie's and Weave on Vecna - I'll be honest, I saw a team do this once and it blew my mind. I had to sit there and just look at this pile of crap in disbelief. Had to let them go, that was peak.
You bring an item and put it in a corner? Well, then my perks work. :D
The problem is doing this in SoloQ you have a chance of someone else picking it 🥲
Glad to see one of my favorite perk combinations is causing such distress
Same. I guess people like facing four gen slowdown perks instead.
Same ppl are hating it when I play my main skull merchant lol. Franklin's, weave, horders, and pop. Use the 20% longer undetectable and supercharge for 15% longer claw traps. I get so much info it's crazy! I see when they pick up items, open chests, run through my drones, and auras from items. When ppl use object of obsession, I can drop my drone down for undetectable, and they can't see my aura lol. SM is super mean with this build.
@@bigphil0005bro no wonder they hate it. Skull merchant is already annoying af than u put this perk combo on… Jesus if I ever meet u don’t worry about finding me I’ll find you at a hook brother, I ain’t got time for an hour long match
@@colezamora1455 my matches are never an hour long most are around 10 min or less.
Seeing people find the solutions for the puzzle is awesome. This is an awesome counter to weave. Some people are also using object of obsession because of the killer can see you you can see the killer so you can use weave against the killer as well with object.
Another good couple of perks is boon: shadow step as that will hide auras, so you can stash any dropped items in the boon, and object of obsession to counter wallhack the killer
Moving the items to the corner of the map while the killer is chasing or carrying a survivor is such an obvious counter that it makes me sick to think about how many ppl are complaining about this killer perk combo.
Wow, this video is awesome! Great ideas. I just subscribed for more
I've definitely seen these 2 perks together alot lately
Glad you enjoyed!
Has a dramaturgy absolute FANATIC, it is NOT the perk you want to be using against this combo. For one, it gives you oblivious for 30 seconds regardless of the item you got from drama because of Weave attunement. And if you roll the item scenario while holding anything it will drop and make a free radar along side giving you oblivious.
Another note I didn't see is you can 99 your items, don't fully deplete them when you can avoid it. This lets you drop the item in a corner without triggering weave twice or triggering hoarder at all.
Nifty little trick you can always check for weave at the beginning of a match if you have an item simply by placing it on the ground it'll show you the perk icon and when you pick it back up obviously you'll be oblivious then you could always guarantee that they most likely have Franklin's as well then you could just start stacking items in the corner of the maps😂
Yes, I think I mentioned it somewhere, maybe too briefly. What I'm choosing to focus on is not starting with an item, you won't need to check every game. Great tip tho
yeah its all fun and games until everyone is searching chest and getting hit so now there's a map wide radar for the killer from all the dropped items nobody wants
Fr. I’ve Ben using this perk combo and I will have like 8 items scattered across the map.
This is great advice. I'm definitely going to keep it on mind. Going in without an item is a little silly for me, but a good counter. I five myself just picking up items and then dropping them in a corner of the map no one needs to go to lol
Question does it last for ever the aura perk like the whole trail
Don't forget about Dramaturgy, it can give you an item with add-ons without needing to interact with a chest and it's only 1 perk
This is increadible bait, getting survivors to bring useless perks to try and "counter" this combo is genius!
Lol was thinking the same thing
It's as simple as taking your item and putting it in the corner of the map.When you're done with that, you don't have the knot.Bring in items or have four perk slots dedicated to items that's just ridiculous And by the way , you can run object of obsession and just set them on the ground and also have eyes on a killer at same time
I played with a cool chest build for a long time, this will be even more reason to use it!!
As with all these things, I don’t want to run builds to counter things that might never happen. I run builds that are guaranteed to be of use in every single game.
I just stopped bringing medkits and any items i find on the ground, i just move the to the closest corner of the map to basically counter the aura reading. As well as I noticed killers suddenly just stopped doing the perk combo since this video released in my games
Normally I'd say "Nobody even saw the video there's no way it my fault" but it'd be bad timing
@nspgcertified7608 i think I meant by the time I saw the video, that killers stopped running the combo soon after lolz
The best perk to counter and take advantage of that build that most killers use is an object of obsession
cant believe I missed it. brainfart on my part lol
I guess this goes without saying, but Distortion isn’t a bad counter either. Distortion counters so many aura reading perks, so if you’re not feeling object of obsession, distortion should help out.
yeah It's a no brainer in hindsight
What happens if a killer hits me with Franklin's and I just ignores it?
This isn’t too bad for me bc I always play without items to try and get better and I’m also a fat hoarder
using plunder's to see items you could coordinate with the team to have all the used items dropped in a low traffic area of the trial. (area where gens are done and pallets are depleted.)
I actually had someone picked up a item and placed at the corner of the maps haha
I think this wouldn’t be such a problem if survivors just dropped items when they go down naturally and they got rid of franklins. I doesn’t make sense that you can have your item in your hand while crawling and on a hook.
@@rixceymanning7148 they can't just remove Franklin's though. It's a perk on a licensed character. They reworked bubba recently if I'm not mistaken, maybe it's not crazy they could make it base kit and rework it like Borrowed Time?
Shadow step is the best counter, just put the itemes inside the boon
great idea, can't believe I missed it
As a killer main, an even easier way to counter it is to place the items in corners of the map and away from main objectives. I know you mentioned this but all the others seems to complex to pull off
I have a better option but its not solo queue fool proof. Run Object + Apprasial and Plunderers. The goal is to put items in strong tiles intentionally to wall hack the killer as if it was wiretap
@@ultimatedespair2368 That's actually a really good idea, I haven't thought of that. You can also use Ace in hole for better items. But the thing is, you need to know if you're going against this build otherwise all this build is kinda pointless
@@alexmercer9304 That is the caveat. I havent used the build yet but i have a feeling I might get value soon
Object of obsession is slowly becoming the best survivor perk.
again. Iron Will coming back too. what a time to be alive
You could also use shadow step to help a little
you know you could just....pick up the item again and put it far away in the corner.....its that simple
I was playing as Ash one time with the puppet and the killer didn’t know I had an item it was a key. I dropped it and picked it up after I was about to escape.
Ooor just drop your item immediately as soon trial starts and pick it back up revealing the build, if so simply leave your item in a corner until needed.
yeahhhhh I had that written originally, but nobody was using the build yet and I couldn't test it. didn't wanna spread misinfo jic
I’m glad this combo exist tired of med kits with syringes in them
One reason why I run Distortion and why I don't bring items in. The only time I bring items in is when I'm working on a Tome challenge
Bring object instead, get wallhacks when you leave items at shack. And you get 6% boost in gen progression if you drop the item next to you at the gen.
You can just manually drop your item at the very start of match to see if they have weave attunement 😂
yeah I couldn't get any games where the killer brought it and couldn't test it. didn't wanna spread misinfo jic
The perks I use the counter this combo is distortion Built to Last and Vigil
Distortion so your aura won’t be shown when you’re near the item
Built to last, so when you pick up the item and it’s empty, you can bring it back to life
Vigil so when You’re in the oblivious state it goes away quicker.
I am always keen on chest but since this perk combo exists I shouldn't as I once detected the value for the killer with distortion and the stacks just flew.
As a Twins main im glad Hoarder is damn near meta rn. And oppression cooldown decreasing could mean oppression will become really good.
You forgot a better counter, using object of obsession perk, basically you can also play the same game as the killer and stop mind games
But it's useless if the Killer can use undetectable, The Unknown perk allows all Killers to have 30 seconds of undetectable status effect
Don’t open chest like a bot and waste time being unproductive. Just hotswitch last second and if you forget just go drop the item in the corner and go pick it up before you leave.
chests good. and its not dull bones its a noed prevention play. It's me, all your teammates
Thank you :)
i don't understand this video. if you're opening chests, and rummaging through them, aren't you just creating MORE "radars" for the killer? and if you're going to place all of the unwanted items from the chests in the corner, doesn't that waste precious time?
yes, you don't do it on games where weave is being used
As both, survivor and killer player I like this perk, combo. Yes it's annoying to play against it but so are other aura reading perks. And it gives new use for twins perk. I would be sad if it got nerfed. But as survivor it generates need for different builds and I think that's good. The meta is changing and is bringing value to more abandoned perks on both sides
as a killer main i just always bring weave its crazy good cause most survivors that try to gen rush will drop the tool box when its done without stoping work on the gen. it gives me the que in to go kick the gen and chase them some. i been in some crazy stupid matches that dont even last 6 minutes because of gen rush builds with no counter play if you cant even find the surviors. or your stuck running nothing but gen regression and block perks.
I like the part about bringing all items to the map boarders or useless corners, BUT
1) I don't understand why you want to loot more chests against such a build, it seems very weird for me, especially in soloqueue, cause in a long match you just will create a crazy amount of radars. Just don't bring items and don't loot freaking chests?
2) You completely missed, that you can use Weave Attunement as your own instrument as survivor - if you playing with Object of Obsession, you can put items in big\tall or indoor loops and make it almost completely unplayable for killers, especially 4.4m/s ones
3) God please don't call this toxic, it's NOT that hard to counter if aware of debuffs on you and have common sense, we just need to wait until more soloqueue survivors will be more aware (ahahahaha)
4) And also one more solution: you can use a Boon: Shadow step and make a warehouse inside of it's range, somewhere near repaired generator (I already practiced it and almost everytime soloqueue teammates will understand what are you doing and bringing their items there as well). Later in the game you can heal here or take something that you need.
Or you can just...bring flashbang...never have to worry about any of that with flashbang...
Killer main taking notes here
me and my friend who are duo stopped bringing items about 3 days ago when we kept seeing this perks combo never saw it again afterwards I mean in 30+ games.
so it seems 2 itemless survivors is enough to for killers to change their build in lobby I think killer might still keep it with 3 survivors with items though.
Na I still bring it anyways on my Skull Merchant lol.. I can get kills easily without perks. Most of the time the ones that don't bring items I see them going for chest so I get the notification. Then slapping the ones that do get chest items or that did bring an item I slap it out for the aura. Then to counter object of obsession I can throw down a drone for undetectable. I also use the addon that gives her 20% longer duration on undetectable. Trust me I've been getting so much salt and dcs
@@bigphil0005Then again skull merchant is the most boring killer with the worst strats ever
@@HD-vu5vv maybe to you, but i love her lol
1:18 im new and im wondering why you wouldn't recommend this?
When you equip an item last second, killers sometimes see it as toxic and might focus you more because of it
Lol I was about to say horders is so damn good with this combo. I still will bring combo with no items on my SM. With drones, constant explosions from ppl picking up items or going to chests, or just the aura from the item that I slap out your hands. I get wicked good info, I also use pop for gen regression as my 4th perk.
Just use of object of obsession
Interesting suggestion on how to counter Franklin/weave/plunders combo but I don't see why you have to call it toxic, particularly since you didn't consider ftp/buckle up combo toxic when you suggested these perks in your shrine showcase a few weeks back, killers using their perks and playing how they want is no more toxic than survivors using theirs and also playing how they want
Part of the reason I felt comfortable talking about it is because It had been announced it was getting nerfed at the time. Play how you want bro, I could be running meta shit but I like my chests
I think the range of weave needs to be a little bit shorter because depending on the map this tactic might not work.... like indoor maps rip gideons and midwich... rpd can be worked with albiet carefully.... haven't had it happen in Lery's yet
As a player on both sides i do think this combo is fine, annoying yes, but it's fine.
we have gotten passed the nerfs to the gen kicking meta while gen rushing metas are on the rise.
I'm just happy there is a new meta that makes finding survivors easier so it can lead to chases more.
also people underestimate how powerful items are.
not so much medkits anymore.
but toolboxes and flashlight well all know what they can do.
i think this combo just takes the survivor's greed and it gets uno reversed on them.
like I got greedy trying to pick my toolbox back and got instant karma.
Drop items yourself in the corner?
if weave is active yes. the further away from gens the better
No item bringing hoarders be winning.
Also man I really liked running Dramaturgy but now I’m scared too
the thing is just that noone brings this to counter flashlights, people have always and will always just bring lightborn, saving a perk slot for more gen regression, yay!
this perk combo can be strong enough to make up for the lack of slowdown. Just not every game. Lightborn def counters flashlight, but so does looking at a wall. or looking up. or looking down. or turning around. franklins is a different totally viable option too, just isn't a hard counter like lightborn
Distortion is good but sadly only works against killers with a terror radius so stealth killers will make it harder
I've never really been a distortion user. Is it really so much better than just hiding in a locker during the hook, that its worth a perkslot?
@@nspgcertified7608 Honestly imo yes it is, not just cause of your aura being hidden for 10 seconds but also your scratch marks. Can lead to some pretty good getaways
As a chest junky this video makes me happy. Im bascially a trash panda
How can a perk be toxic?
It's all about point of view. From the survivors POV, perks that directly affect their ability to have fun is often called toxic in the community. And of course it goes for both sides. It's not a word I agree with necessarily, but one the dbd community at large has adopted. Hope this helped!
I don't use hoarder 😅 I prefer franklins weave with lanquid favor.
Block pallets, counter exhaustion perks, and keep items from giving me a hard time 😊
I remember ppl saying weave attunement was bad 😭
Wrong. The actual strongest counter is object of obsession spread items around the map and you'll get permanent wallhacks
Yeah idk how I missed that
I'm a killer main, this perk comb should be Meta. because the fact that Gen regression perks have been heavily nerfed. And it's a good counter to being Gen rushed, bully Bully squads, and Sabo plays. I use this comb alot and I still lose. U can even counter it with one boon perk that hides auras. If killers can have counters to items. And good items are very strong all in themselves. There are ways to counter play everything
So…the counter is to get gud and deal with it got it…however the new heal meta is on the way desperate measures or selfcare. Botany knowledge, (soon buffed) empathetic connection.✌🏽
Empathetic only gives a buff to healing others. It doesn’t work like Botany or Desperate
@@daniels2745 It still will be the meta heal build instead of well make it. But right I misspoke.
Let's just face it. Franklins was always a really stupid, unfair perk, and weave attunement just makes it ten times as much so. Your "easy counters" aren't really counters if they put you at a disadvantage regardless, or you waste five minutes in a match rummaging through chests and screwing around with items juggling them to the edge of the map. It all sounds great in theory, until you realize those five minutes could have slammed out three gens, or that one item you put out of the way on the edge of the map reveals your injured teammate that just juked the killer.
the point of the video is to inform everybody about this combo because it's really popular, and everyone should know how to play around it. The "easy counters" are for avoiding weave and still using good items through chests. If you're IN a game with franklins-weave, I've included tips at the end of the video for dealing with it and that's actually where you're right. Interacting with chests at all is a time loss yes, but it can be worth it if weave isn't in play. If it is, obviously DONT open chests, it only makes it stronger. As for franklins being stupid, true, but what would you suggest to change it. Removing it isn't an option. Hope this helped!
Run distortion 😎
it's easy to counter, just bring 3 perks xD. thanks for the info tho. still rather have this meta then the gen regressing
100%
the absolute state of survivors , malding over the killer wasting TWO perks slots only for them to gamble you use items as a crutch
Great content
14 seconds in, disrespects all solo queue players
i just being built to last
Lmao seeing someone call franklins and weave toxic is funny to me lol but yeah its good info, but thats all it really is. Info. But ya its insanely easy to counter
really surpised you didnt mention object of obsession because its just one perk, and wallhacks on the killer is way better than them having wallhacks on you lol
yeah I didn't realize it had been reworked. I missed a year and a half of changes, but I'm much happier with the game now. Part of the fun is learning about new stuff. Object might be one I make a video on
@@nspgcertified7608 yeah objects honestly such a good counter and heavily punishes the killer for a build like this. i think jrm or some other dbd youtuber made a video about object vs weave and it helped a ton
*Distortion*
But in all seriousnes, Weave attunement is a fun new perk with an unigue and strong effect.
Maybe it deserves a slight radius nerf so that a single useless broken key doesn't reveal an entire loop, but please stop complaining about it before Bhvr guts the entire perk into something thats complitely useless, and killers switch to 4 slowdowns beacuse nothing else is worth running.
So a little problem, lately a lot of killers have been tryharding for kills or running Franklins aggressively. I don't mean to say it is impossible, but asking more survivors to bring that selection of perks is going to cause even more killer-sided matches.
I mean this from experience as I have taken the time to gather items for my characters during this event. I have run 80% of my matches with Ace in the hole and Appraisal(plunderer's instinct sometimes but I found it isn't as needed with the large amount of chests and appraisal uses)(the other perks aren't needed either as you usually have a large selection of items, usually including green at the minimum.).
If you're going to farm, which I highly discourage from personal experience, then you only need appraisal and Ace in the hole. I don't want survivors dying because they only had item perks and the killer ran the franklin combo.
nah i just bring insta heals every game got like 400 since i never use them but this change makes me use them since it wastes killer perks instead of bringing pop, pain res, deadlock, corrupt they bring these item perks and its just so funny having a full swf of flashlights and then switching to med kits right before. we've duped so many killer that wasted 2-3 perk slots XD best counter no doubt
use object of obsession & decisive strike to guarantee ur the obsession. youre welcome. i cannot believe u rn. object is not in this build???? son pls.
Meh franklin simply isn't worth it, most people will randomly notice weaves up 🤔 and by then they mostly forgot where it is, plus lethal gives a bit extra seconds, when survivors leave the radar. (I think)
Leaves open 2 free slots for whatever I want and if no one brings items doesn't really matter I still have 3 free slots if I don't wanna use lethal
shame what people consider toxic "How dare you counter our items, that is so toxic" Survivors have many ways to counter killers, some built into the Killer's trials. Survivor entitlement is strong in this one.
Kllers find it toxic when you don't bring items it seems cause how dare survivors counter their build? 😂
It's not really toxic, but it's about as close to toxic as a perk can be. It's not about countering items, though, as people don't think Lightborn for example is toxic. Some people find Lightborn annoying because they're bored of gens and just want to go for flashy saves or do a killer blind archive challenge, but nobody would call it toxic.
Franklins is obnoxious because the killer straight up slaps your item out of your hand and then depletes its charges so it's not even worth going back later to recover it. I overall prefer the killer role and Franklins is the most tilting perk to get hit by in the game for me. Meanwhile, Hoarder is just mean because survivors doing chests is free slowdown for the killer, and using that perk means you want to punish people for doing things other than generators.
Well I’d like to see you if I could beat your add ons out of your hand
@Zakon673 ah yes the I'm bored of actually playing the game so let me follow my friend around and flashlight save him then get tunneled by the killer. Classic and I don't really see how Franklin's is obnoxious. Yeah it knocks the item off and depletes it. But so does using your item unless you bring built to last....the items don't win you the matches and before weave was made Franklin's was barely ever used
I brought Franklin seeing 3 med kits and 1 flashlight + blood warden for my endgame Chucky build, turns out they got 3 meta med kits which I am glad I brought Franklin and caught a teabagging survivor who stays oblivious to my blood warden activation and just teabagging there. That Feng ent I caught called me using baby perks and yet I guess it not the perk baby but the survivor acting baby.
i just 99 my item and drop it in a corner lol
You can do a test for this build at the start of the game by just dropping your item on the ground for a moment. If you see that the killer has weave attunement, you can go to the corner of the map and drop your item there so the killer doesn't get anything out of it.
Survs literally just want killers to have absolutely nothing. If this combo gets nerfed, it’s right back to 4 slowdown
I hope it doesn't get nerfed too heavily. I think the aura reading range on weave is a bit too much rn but could still be great if dialed down slightly
3:03 How did Gabe fu that bad?? Bro things he’s special 😭
idk what u mean
Chests CAN be worth it, and this video shows you how to do it. Giving the killer your aura for free isn't the end of the world with a coordinated team, but not every team is coordinated enough to pull it off. & still can't believe I forgot to mention distortion. At some point I had to decide to stop writing and start editing
@@nspgcertified7608Im sorry I should have made it more clear. I was talking about Scavengers Perk icon and that it didn’t fit with Pharmacy and Manifest. Is frustrates me. IYou did nothing wrong, I was talking about Gabriel. It is a really good video.
Bru, people over thinking things.
If you see he is running that build, drop the item in a corner.
And i prefer killer running this over them using gen defend perks.
This is not gonna be a meta.
Not something to worry about.
And a survivor with some basic skills down need items to survive.
I mainly play survivors 80% of the time, and dont bring items that ofthen and it did never really change my chance to survive.
Yeah Ik it’ll get nerfed eventually every good combo with killer has to evidently
I'm 100% honest: I still think that Chests are the most useless thing ever. If you don't want to give the Killer free Weave Attunement, bring no Item. It's not like playing without Item is equal to throwing. And opening chests wastes tons of time, if you make yourself a build around it you even waste Perk slots. Absolutely not worth it in my opinion.
The second option is to straight up ignore Weave Attunement. By going out of your way to get every Item and place it into a corner you waste plenty of time. And then the Killer could still have Floods of Rage or Gearhead and see you all the time. Why bother about that? I don't see the issue with the Killer knowing where you are. Unless it's a sniping Huntress for example this doesn't really matter.
The last option is to run Distortion as a hard counter.
I do like your video though.I just think that it needs a little bit more of a rethink.It's not bad but it's not great
Tbh I rather play agenst that than 4 gen slowdown Perk in 7 matches a row
i just solo q without items.
you're a braver man than I
drop your item(s) in the corners of the maps, 7 minutes video for a counter that takes 9 words
I'm not funny enough for a 9 word video
Lol since when are these perks toxic? Do we just use that now whenever perks work well together? Guess my Hyperfocus/Stakeout build was toxic