It’s beautifully done. You battle so hard and so long just to take down that pylon shield so Grafton can THEN fire a freaking mac round (in atmosphere!) at it. And that’s just to take down a cloaking tower, it’s not even a ship. And then BOOM, Grafton is destroyed instantly like nothing. Reach was lost the moment the covenant arrived and this game showed just how powerful and devastating they could be. They fought a half a day to do that and it was for nothing. Covenant just keeps going. Masterpiece.
@@zachpezzuolo1649 "Hm, yes, with approximately 51 liters of rocket thrust, I should be able to get aboard that." (Reference to Thom in the trailer btw)
For those of you who are wondering... - A frigate's MAC gun is relatively weak and takes 3 shots to take down a ships shields, usually because they bounce right off. - A Havok grade nuke is not strong enough to take down a shield from a Corvette class covenant ship. (The one you board in Long Night of Solace) - A "Super" MAC gun is on Orbital Defense Platforms, and are fired at 2/5 of the speed of light. One such round can vaporize a Covenant capital ship on CONTACT. I remember all of this coincidentally from the book, Halo: The Fall of Reach.
Twiggy The Squirrel DDAAAAMMNNN i want one of those babies XD and if the UNSC had the series 8 macs for the O.D.Ps (Orbital Defense Platforms) in halo 2 (and ik they didn't had the series 8 macs yet) the covenant would GET ROYALLY FUCKED heck i would even grab a lazy boy chair on a O.D.P deck and grab some jumbo sized popcorn with extra butter and a jumbo sized soda and some sun glasses and watch them fall 1 by 1 (no joke i would literally grab a jumbo sized popcorn with extra butter and a jumbo sized cola and a lazy boy chair and a pair of high tech sun glasses that have zoom so great that i can watch the covies get butchered and laugh at thier most "oh fuck we fucked up big time" moments in both halo and real life history XD)
+Prince .shadow in halo 2 the ODPs have the standard super MAC. It is capable of piercing and destroying 2 covvies ships and still retain enough energy to cripple a third, if they were all lined up. The fact that a ship as large as a supercarriers was able to move into the odp clusters without being destroyed is absolutely abysmal on the unscs part. That frigates MAC still has an explosive yield of at least 2.5× the Hiroshima nuke. And should've leveled the entire map.
There’s something about this scene that makes me still freak out. The size, the way the ship got destroyed and how shit got real in a matter of seconds.
Bout a year late, but I think I can help with an answer lol. The size: Up until this point in the games, we had never seen one of the covenant's bigger ships up close before. Sure, there was battlecruiser Truth and Reconciliation in CE, but from the angle and the lighting, it didn't look all that big. And the Assault carrier in 2 during the attack on Mombasa, but it was from a distance, halfway across the city. Battlecruisers and lightcruisers again in 3, but most of them were at a distance or moved too fast to really get an idea. Reach is the first halo game where we get a clear and up close look at the size of a covenant ship. And to make it even more intimidating, it's one of the covenant's largest capital ships. You get a clear idea of how big it is, because you were not only on the map which the cutscene takes place over, but you also see the Falcon's size compared to Grafton, and then Grafton to Solace. The spire was huge, but the supercarrier is massive. The way the ship got destroyed: I think it's because Grafton, and another ship of it's design, were painted as the important objects of the mission, the hero to save the day. Along the way, you see the ships move up as you destroy and clear out areas occupied by Covenant troops, and they even interact with the map a little bit, by shooting at things you may have ignored or forgotten. And then the spire shield comes down, and the hero gets his time to shine, and he completes exactly what all your work was meant to achieve. Grafton destroys a seemingly massive covenant structure, which you could never hope to destroy on your own, with a single shot. Only to be destroyed by an even bigger covenant foe, which you would have never expected, out of nowhere, that's been there the entire time, and destroys our hero with little to no effort.
It's also fascinating to see the spartan's reactions to it, like Carter sees it and accepts it and immediately moves towards another goal and in that case it was telling the falcon to get them out of there. The spartans really are fearless and never feel the effects of concern or demoralization
+Shipmaster Rtas Vadum What if you're from Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, China, Japan, Russia, Poland, or the rest of the world, do we all have to use your stupid nonsensical system?
Me-- "Why did Grafton have to be like 4 ft from the spire??? Those MAC rounds have a range of miles... Who would order a ship to do that close to its target? Why is that ship so close?" Friend-- "Because it's in the script."
It's because they're in atmosphere those ranges are out of atmosphere if I remember correctly in Space the range of a Mac gun is how effectively can you aim it because if it if the shot you're making but too far for you to shoot accurately then that's beyond effective range whereas in atmosphere you have all these different ballistic parts that you need to look at to figure out bullet drop and all these other fun and exciting fields of physics because Mack rounds are just very large armour piercing rounds when I say very large I mean LARGE.
that zombies player Still, somebody should have figured the Covenant was up to something. The cloaked silhouette of the Long Night of Solace was visible in the sky for that entire level. The UNSC could have targeted 2-3 shots from a quarter mile away (still in atmosphere), just in case, as opposed to one blast at close range.
@@TamptheChamp2 they wouldn't be able to use the Mac rounds in atmosphere at range because they're going at such speeds that the projectile would incinerate after a I distance say about four times that the shot was taken at in the game or it would just lose all of its momentum very quickly I don't know the shape of the projectile so I couldn't tell you which one would happen but it would definitely lose momentum quick if it doesn't incinerate. Also I'm fairly certain that we could see the long night of Solace but I'm pretty sure that in Cannon they would not be able to
@@TamptheChamp2 no MAC gun from a frigate is going to damage a Covenant Supercarrier they are to large for a frigate to damage also if the Covenant Supercarrier was really threatened by 2 Frigates then I'm pretty sure that the Covenant Supercarrier has more then enough weapons to Destroy both Frigates at once. The I mean if a Covenant Corvette can destroy 1 Frigate then do you really think that the Supercarrier wouldn't be able to destroy 2 frigates
Eric Wilson I meant that the frigates could have tried to destroy the landing device, that the Grafton destroyed from close up in this cutscene, from far away. It would have seemed safer to shoot it from a distance rather than that close up in my opinion. However, the zombie player’s comment above yours does have me rethinking that.
I remember I always had to explain to my friends, in terms of the plot of Halo, why humans were losing the war when the aliens seem to go down so easily in firefight and campaign. Even before Reach came out, I always gave a simple answer: it’s because of the ships. Humans can win all the ground battles they’d like but, when you have ships with this big of a difference in strength, that’s when entire planets start falling. Few ship to ship battles had been shown in the Halo franchise before Reach, and this scene really drove things home in explaining why the situation was always so desperate plot wise.
You nailed it right on the head since you effectively paraphrased what the novels stated. Covenant technology (a Banshee's plasma cannon is their equivalent of a 20mm automatic cannon) is just too vastly superior for the humans to match when it comes to ship-to-ship combat.
About the infantry… dont you forget we play as 2 hyper-lethal spartans, therefor the human seems to have a chance. Every mission involve with human infrastructure, we can clearly see everyone got F-ed in the A before we arive to save the day.
sorry to jump onto an old thread but there's also the factor of the numbers. humanity lasting as long as it did when outgunned and outnumbered THAT badly was a miracle in the first place, largely brought forth by ONI, Spartans, and Halsey. goes to show that even if you have everything else in advantage you need to maintain strategy and intel. the prophets' blind march towards the "great journey" could well be argued to be the killing shot of the human-covenant war, fired before it even began.
@@Razgriz_01 a short burst of the full power won't do as much damage as you think it would I'm not saying it won't do much but it certainly won't get those kinds of results I'm pretty sure they have to just leave the beans on and then just track it across an area to get glassing effects not a quick shot like what you would use against a ship. Just get my point across I'm not saying it won't do good things for the Covenant ground forces that are right there but it certainly won't glass the entire area with that short of a burst
@Ocean Warrior due to circumstances Beyond My Control I played the Halo games grossly out of order still haven't completed reach but when I played this mission a couple hours ago that pan up to the supercarrier I was like oh one of those things on this could be problematic to say the least
Crew: "Sir, we are ready to fire at the Spire as soon as Noble Team clears the area." Captain: "What's the distance?" Crew: "1KM Sir." Captain: "Not good enough" Crew: "What?" Captain: "Bring us in close, something like, 100ft." Crew: "Sir, that's suicide, there might be a Covenant Supercarrier in hiding above us." Captain: "Bollocks, plot a course." Crew: "Okay, *mumbling* Oh lord forgive me for my sins."
I never understood that. These things can supposedly fire from hundreds of miles away, but they decide to get within throwing distance directly under a supercarrier. They did kind of deserve it.
MajorEvan the supercarrier was cloaked,when the spire got destroyed the supercarrier was revealed to them.So they didn't know the supercarrier was there
Believe it or not, the *UNSC Grafton* held a crew of 150 - 200 friendly troops while the *CSO-Class Covenant Supercarrier* held a crew of 90,000 - 110,000 enemy troops.
I like walking around on the corvette on the next mission, getting a feel for its size compared to me and then looking at charts to compare other ships. Man it would be cool to have all the big Halo ships in a game to scale.
I think we do see them to scale it's just hard to get an idea as to how far away you actually are from the ships or the distance between two different ships I'm pretty sure that all the Halo games are made in the same engine and all the same models but it's just that distance doesn't get conveyed at all
For me, it was more like this. Frigate blows up spiral "We showed them" Frigate get blown "What the heck happened" Lnos appears "Jesus fucking christ. That. That. Is definitely going to be a problem." End of next mission Lnos Is destroyed "Alright we did it, and now that that things gone hopefully we can turn the fight around." Slipspace rupture detected. "Slippace rupture? What's that?" Covanant ships start appearing, must be the whole damn Covenant fleet. "Were doomed, we had to pull off some crazy 1 time plan just to get rid of one of those things, their is no way were gonna be able to beat an entire fleet of them.
Yes,Mass Drivers are basically MAC but used for civilian purposes. They're shooting projectiles very very fast so there's not a lot of difference. We can assume the mass drivers were modified by the UNSC as a part of Winter Contingency,to shoot military projectiles so they're very similar. @@1nfinitune533
Eamon Quinn I love The writing for auntie dot. I know she isn’t a smart ai so she is purposely a lot more static. But the fact that she simply states “new contact, high tonnage” just goes to show the differences between her and an ai like Cortana or Roland
When I first saw the UNSC Frigates show up on the battlefield after you blow the first AA gun to hell, I was like "hell yeah we're gonna win this war!" Then the Covenant was like "we're just getting warmed up."
This plus the bit where we blow up the Long Night of Solace feel like giant middle-fingers to the player in the best way possible! The spire gives scale and power to the Grafton, which in turn is completely blown out of the water by the LNoS. When we finally blow up the supercarrier, like twenty ships, all of which are just as powerful, drop out of slipspace. The world-ending threat we just took down was just a baby and we’re completely fucked when the rest of its family arrive! Tonal whiplash and one-upmanship used to GLORIOUS effect by Bungie!
Regular MAC rounds arnt powerful takes 3 shots the super MAC however fires 2/5 the speed of light which vaporizes ships on contact that frigate only had a MAC not a super MAC
@Sean Grant you are totally rigth, but even on the lowest setting, that Mac round should've created a small crater behind the relay, that thing is not even made to take shoots, specially mac rounds
Raving Rando the mac rounds on smaller ships are weaker and have less range,if it fired from too far either the mac round would not reach or it would explode in mid air.For a paris class frigate it has to shoot atleast 3 times at a covenant ship to take its shields down(the first two rounds would bounce off their shields)however for the bigger ships the mac guns are way more powerful and stronger and can travel at higher speeds.The ones on the ODPS where really powerful,they could travel at the speed of light and can pierce through a covenant ship even if it has its shields on.
I like this scene but the MAC round should have been way more dramatic. If not because of the physics involved then because they made it out to seem like firing a MAC round in atmosphere should never be done and then it's this little explosion comparatively. Also, was that covenant ship cloaked till the last second? I really hope so cause how the hell do you miss that?
+kolslaw94 the spire the grafton destroyed was part of an array of spires that was cloaking the long night of solace. when the spire was destroyed, the array became broken and the super carrier became uncloaked
The way I understand it the mack rounds are massive balls of iron and tungsten maybe a few other things thrown in there for good measure so it's basically an oversized armor-piercing shot. Now by if more dramatic you mean going straight through the spire and then burying itself a boat say 20 feet into the mountain behind this fire and then yes but if you mean levelling the map with all very massive explosion no armour piercing shots don't do that unless the thing they're hitting explosion that Spire doesn't seem like it has anything on it that would cause such an explosion
@@ussessexcv-9189 It's not about the projectile itself exploding. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/24553/in-the-halo-universe-what-would-be-the-effect-of-a-mac-round-hitting-a-planet/193994
@@kolslaw94 I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at but I'm going to make a guess and assume you're saying the Mac round might have some kind of an effect on the planet itself. That is not the case why macarons are likely not used in atmosphere that much is because the sheer speed of the projectiles is enough to cause immense friction with the atmosphere doesn't matter the shape of the projectile you in if you had a perfectly aerodynamic bullet shape it would still cause a lot of friction so the range would be relatively short the reason why the ODP platform was able to take out the Covenant Ship at sword base is because gravity was assisting it but the Grafton using its Mac in atmosphere is probably rarely ever heard of because it's just not an effective way of doing things a nuke would probably have been a far better option but they probably didn't want to use nukes because they weren't expecting a supercarrier to be hidden by that spire and they were probably expecting to keep reach and want a massive irradiated Zone because of a nuke so that's probably why they use the Mac instead of a nuke when a nuke would have done the job far better
_Grafton_ destroys the spire, only to be destroyed by the _Long Night of Solace_ seconds later Auntie Dot: New contact, high tonnage. Jorge-052: No... NO! Someone tell me this ain't happening!
This was the beginning of the end for reach in my opinion they threw everything they had at the covenant thinking they could contain the invasion but then that super carrier came in and we all knew it was over
One of my favorite Halo cutscenes. Imagine seeing this as a 10yo kid. The Covenant’s imposing force and the complete hopelessness in realizing that these aliens that try to kill you are eras more technologically advanced than you.
Probably my favorite mission out of the entire game. The opening war sequence plus the varied gameplay had me replaying this mission for hours when i was a kid.
I always loved how they made such a big deal about MAC rounds being fired in atmosphere but in game we just see a weak piss stream of a shot come out and a small explosion from the tower
I think it's closer to 29 km but that doesn't really matter it's still a massive ship if I remember correctly it's one of the longest sci-fi ships definitely the longest in any of the Syfy games are movies that I am interested in.
Why would the Frigate move so close to the target? It really looks like it's 50-100 meters from the beacon which is super awkward. It could be cool if they had some decent sound involved in the scene, but there isn't.
something something, very fast mac round self vaperising as it travels in air hence the comment about useing it in Atmosphere. *insert random scifi techno babble*
@@FlukeyLuke actually the MAC guns are probably one of the most realistic things in all of Halo to that scale no we are a long time away from such weapons but militaries are investing a great deal of resources into coil guns which is what a Mac gun is a series of coils on either side of the barrel which are electrically charged which create a magnetic field pulling the projectile forward. So therefore scaling the power would be very very easy change the amount of charge or the amount of coils you use and also if you got it going up to Max Speed the project would probably vaporize itself in seconds in atmosphere which is why that line is said
Long Night of Solace - CSO class supercarrier with a length of 29km and a crew numbering in the tens of thousands. Armed with countless heavy batteries and anti fighter turrets as well as not one, not two but at least SEVEN energy projectors (glassing beams), with one primary projector (the one used to destroy the Grafton).
Oh that's a deal more powerful. Yeah that number for the acceleration of the round sounds right. Thanks for the info. Just seemed silly in this cutscene to have the Frigate fire it like that at close range, based off the rules encountered in the expanded Halo universe. Put it down to artistic license and "rule of cool".
What a "MAC" round that was. A MAC round from a ship like that would be the scale of a nuclear weapon, one from the orbital MAC platform would put the soviet Tsar to shame. I forget where I read this but the most successful MAC round ever fired was said to have penetrated through a super carrier, out the back through a cruiser, then into, but not through a third covenant ship, shields and all. The kinetic energy alone should have turned that mountain range to a butt hole.
I know they said the "Super MACs" (aka ODP MAC rounds) were capable of that feet, though I don't know of a particular instance of that actually happening. I do imagine that during the both the Battles of Reach and Earth, that probably happened numerous times.
The orbital macs guns are many times larger than the ones the frigates carry. It's like a .22 vs a 50 cal. Another thing that weakened the round was the fact that it was fired in atmosphere; it is designed for vacuum.
If that Frigate's MAC gun had been firing at anywhere near full power then it would have blown itself up, vaporised NOBLE Team and likely put another big damned crater into the Utkozet Valley.
This scene always bothered me. Gorge is just surprised as I am when MAC rounds are gonna be used in atmosphere. But then it fires and very little happens. Aren't MAC rounds hundreds to thousands of tons and travel relativistic light speed. Never mind the how loud it'd be tearing ass through the air, the kinetic force alone would be in the 10's of megatons range at bare minimum.
Anyone else find it funny how every mission ended with going from bad to worse?
Except the sword base missions
Except the sword base missions
That's the point
Very late, but this doesn't stand for Sword Base, Exodus, or the Package.
The fall of reach is not fun
I still remember how badly my jaw dropped when I first saw Grafton go down..
I was like when i saw the unsc ship go down WTF WHO SHOT AT IT
me *sees supercarrior*
HOLY MOTHER OF HEL!
It's a brilliant scene there is something about the UNSC frigates I love tho
It’s beautifully done. You battle so hard and so long just to take down that pylon shield so Grafton can THEN fire a freaking mac round (in atmosphere!) at it. And that’s just to take down a cloaking tower, it’s not even a ship. And then BOOM, Grafton is destroyed instantly like nothing. Reach was lost the moment the covenant arrived and this game showed just how powerful and devastating they could be. They fought a half a day to do that and it was for nothing. Covenant just keeps going.
Masterpiece.
The Grafton and Savanah will always be remembered, never forgotten.
me and my friends still randomly say *MAC ROUNDS! IN ATMOSPHERE?* at each other from time to time
Same haha
Dude me and 3 others do as well, we’ve made personal memes out of Reach
ONE WAY TO GET THEIR ATTENTION
@@griffin1095 HOLD ON TO YOUR SEATS POEPLE
@@ckyle1088 New contact. High tonnage.
I love how Noble Six leans out of the Falcon trying to see the Supercarrier.
He wanted to see if he could bring it down himself
@@zachpezzuolo1649 "Hm, yes, with approximately 51 liters of rocket thrust, I should be able to get aboard that."
(Reference to Thom in the trailer btw)
@@drakebalzer2098 what?
@@Chuked there’s a live action trailer from about 7-11 years ago (I think) that references on now kat lost her arm and how the original Noble 6 died.
Never realized that little detail
For those of you who are wondering...
- A frigate's MAC gun is relatively weak and takes 3 shots to take down a ships shields, usually because they bounce right off.
- A Havok grade nuke is not strong enough to take down a shield from a Corvette class covenant ship. (The one you board in Long Night of Solace)
- A "Super" MAC gun is on Orbital Defense Platforms, and are fired at 2/5 of the speed of light. One such round can vaporize a Covenant capital ship on CONTACT.
I remember all of this coincidentally from the book, Halo: The Fall of Reach.
Twiggy The Squirrel DDAAAAMMNNN i want one of those babies XD and if the UNSC had the series 8 macs for the O.D.Ps (Orbital Defense Platforms) in halo 2 (and ik they didn't had the series 8 macs yet) the covenant would GET ROYALLY FUCKED heck i would even grab a lazy boy chair on a O.D.P deck and grab some jumbo sized popcorn with extra butter and a jumbo sized soda and some sun glasses and watch them fall 1 by 1 (no joke i would literally grab a jumbo sized popcorn with extra butter and a jumbo sized cola and a lazy boy chair and a pair of high tech sun glasses that have zoom so great that i can watch the covies get butchered and laugh at thier most "oh fuck we fucked up big time" moments in both halo and real life history XD)
Twiggy The Squirrel indeed XD think about series 10 to 15 fire power XD
+Prince .shadow in halo 2 the ODPs have the standard super MAC. It is capable of piercing and destroying 2 covvies ships and still retain enough energy to cripple a third, if they were all lined up. The fact that a ship as large as a supercarriers was able to move into the odp clusters without being destroyed is absolutely abysmal on the unscs part.
That frigates MAC still has an explosive yield of at least 2.5× the Hiroshima nuke. And should've leveled the entire map.
MethamphetaMEMES wow points for doing research XD
The Fuzzy Unibrow iiiii
There’s something about this scene that makes me still freak out. The size, the way the ship got destroyed and how shit got real in a matter of seconds.
Bout a year late, but I think I can help with an answer lol.
The size: Up until this point in the games, we had never seen one of the covenant's bigger ships up close before. Sure, there was battlecruiser Truth and Reconciliation in CE, but from the angle and the lighting, it didn't look all that big. And the Assault carrier in 2 during the attack on Mombasa, but it was from a distance, halfway across the city. Battlecruisers and lightcruisers again in 3, but most of them were at a distance or moved too fast to really get an idea. Reach is the first halo game where we get a clear and up close look at the size of a covenant ship. And to make it even more intimidating, it's one of the covenant's largest capital ships. You get a clear idea of how big it is, because you were not only on the map which the cutscene takes place over, but you also see the Falcon's size compared to Grafton, and then Grafton to Solace. The spire was huge, but the supercarrier is massive.
The way the ship got destroyed: I think it's because Grafton, and another ship of it's design, were painted as the important objects of the mission, the hero to save the day. Along the way, you see the ships move up as you destroy and clear out areas occupied by Covenant troops, and they even interact with the map a little bit, by shooting at things you may have ignored or forgotten. And then the spire shield comes down, and the hero gets his time to shine, and he completes exactly what all your work was meant to achieve. Grafton destroys a seemingly massive covenant structure, which you could never hope to destroy on your own, with a single shot. Only to be destroyed by an even bigger covenant foe, which you would have never expected, out of nowhere, that's been there the entire time, and destroys our hero with little to no effort.
It's also fascinating to see the spartan's reactions to it, like Carter sees it and accepts it and immediately moves towards another goal and in that case it was telling the falcon to get them out of there. The spartans really are fearless and never feel the effects of concern or demoralization
We're taking casualties but we're winning the battle!
Supercarrier commander - hold my beer
Just letting you know, the Long Night of Solace is about 19 miles long.
Or you could use kilometers...
+MethamphetaMEMES But that would be too logical
Aidan Sprucechopper Most Halo fans are from the states. If you can't handle miles, I don't know what to say.
+Shipmaster Rtas Vadum What if you're from Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, China, Japan, Russia, Poland, or the rest of the world, do we all have to use your stupid nonsensical system?
Philippe The fact that you had to ask concerns me.
Me-- "Why did Grafton have to be like 4 ft from the spire??? Those MAC rounds have a range of miles... Who would order a ship to do that close to its target? Why is that ship so close?"
Friend-- "Because it's in the script."
It's because they're in atmosphere those ranges are out of atmosphere if I remember correctly in Space the range of a Mac gun is how effectively can you aim it because if it if the shot you're making but too far for you to shoot accurately then that's beyond effective range whereas in atmosphere you have all these different ballistic parts that you need to look at to figure out bullet drop and all these other fun and exciting fields of physics because Mack rounds are just very large armour piercing rounds when I say very large I mean LARGE.
that zombies player Still, somebody should have figured the Covenant was up to something. The cloaked silhouette of the Long Night of Solace was visible in the sky for that entire level. The UNSC could have targeted 2-3 shots from a quarter mile away (still in atmosphere), just in case, as opposed to one blast at close range.
@@TamptheChamp2 they wouldn't be able to use the Mac rounds in atmosphere at range because they're going at such speeds that the projectile would incinerate after a I distance say about four times that the shot was taken at in the game or it would just lose all of its momentum very quickly I don't know the shape of the projectile so I couldn't tell you which one would happen but it would definitely lose momentum quick if it doesn't incinerate.
Also I'm fairly certain that we could see the long night of Solace but I'm pretty sure that in Cannon they would not be able to
@@TamptheChamp2 no MAC gun from a frigate is going to damage a Covenant Supercarrier they are to large for a frigate to damage also if the Covenant Supercarrier was really threatened by 2 Frigates then I'm pretty sure that the Covenant Supercarrier has more then enough weapons to Destroy both Frigates at once. The I mean if a Covenant Corvette can destroy 1 Frigate then do you really think that the Supercarrier wouldn't be able to destroy 2 frigates
Eric Wilson I meant that the frigates could have tried to destroy the landing device, that the Grafton destroyed from close up in this cutscene, from far away. It would have seemed safer to shoot it from a distance rather than that close up in my opinion. However, the zombie player’s comment above yours does have me rethinking that.
Covenant: "Projectiles, how primitive."
TheKing0fHalo Ever Heard of a Super Mac?
Spiker and blamite weaponry
MurphMonkey what the fast food restaurant, lmao
I've just seen a comic about this scene where the Grafton actually drop a "Big Mac" on the spire
that was a quote from one of the halo books
I remember I always had to explain to my friends, in terms of the plot of Halo, why humans were losing the war when the aliens seem to go down so easily in firefight and campaign. Even before Reach came out, I always gave a simple answer: it’s because of the ships. Humans can win all the ground battles they’d like but, when you have ships with this big of a difference in strength, that’s when entire planets start falling. Few ship to ship battles had been shown in the Halo franchise before Reach, and this scene really drove things home in explaining why the situation was always so desperate plot wise.
You nailed it right on the head since you effectively paraphrased what the novels stated. Covenant technology (a Banshee's plasma cannon is their equivalent of a 20mm automatic cannon) is just too vastly superior for the humans to match when it comes to ship-to-ship combat.
About the infantry… dont you forget we play as 2 hyper-lethal spartans, therefor the human seems to have a chance. Every mission involve with human infrastructure, we can clearly see everyone got F-ed in the A before we arive to save the day.
Excellent point. In the chaos of battle, it's easy for me personally to forget such a vital point
sorry to jump onto an old thread but there's also the factor of the numbers. humanity lasting as long as it did when outgunned and outnumbered THAT badly was a miracle in the first place, largely brought forth by ONI, Spartans, and Halsey. goes to show that even if you have everything else in advantage you need to maintain strategy and intel. the prophets' blind march towards the "great journey" could well be argued to be the killing shot of the human-covenant war, fired before it even began.
Well it's also because you're sparten and there aren't that many spartens.
"New Contact. High-Tonnage." Dot with the understatement of the century.
thanks! always wondered what it was saying😅
The Long Night of Solace even used the weaker beam...
xXAISPXx what if it used the bigger and more powerful beam?O_O
@@axelramirez9074 The beams are dial-a-yield, but that's beside the point. Had they fired at full power they'd have said good bye to their own army/
Not just the army, but the whole area. It would literally turn the land around them into glass.
@@Razgriz_01 a short burst of the full power won't do as much damage as you think it would I'm not saying it won't do much but it certainly won't get those kinds of results I'm pretty sure they have to just leave the beans on and then just track it across an area to get glassing effects not a quick shot like what you would use against a ship. Just get my point across I'm not saying it won't do good things for the Covenant ground forces that are right there but it certainly won't glass the entire area with that short of a burst
@@ussessexcv-9189 Agreed, the beams need to remain on a little while for the glassing effect.
Grafton: uses mac round
Long Night of Solace: *YOU NIGGAS IN TROUBLE*
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"There's always a bigger fish" ~ Qui Gon Jinn.
Ah, a man of culture I see.
I remember the first time I saw this... "oh yea! Take that covies, we got this!" -grafton gets destroyed- "OH MAN SHIT JUST GOT REAL"
@Ocean Warrior due to circumstances Beyond My Control I played the Halo games grossly out of order still haven't completed reach but when I played this mission a couple hours ago that pan up to the supercarrier I was like oh one of those things on this could be problematic to say the least
Crew: "Sir, we are ready to fire at the Spire as soon as Noble Team clears the area."
Captain: "What's the distance?"
Crew: "1KM Sir."
Captain: "Not good enough"
Crew: "What?"
Captain: "Bring us in close, something like, 100ft."
Crew: "Sir, that's suicide, there might be a Covenant Supercarrier in hiding above us."
Captain: "Bollocks, plot a course."
Crew: "Okay, *mumbling* Oh lord forgive me for my sins."
I never understood that. These things can supposedly fire from hundreds of miles away, but they decide to get within throwing distance directly under a supercarrier. They did kind of deserve it.
The supercarrier was cloaked by the spires
MajorEvan the supercarrier was cloaked,when the spire got destroyed the supercarrier was revealed to them.So they didn't know the supercarrier was there
@@GrexTheCrabasitor Not it wasn't. Those were teleportation spires. The only thing they cloaked were the forces they ported in.
@@Servellionthe supercarrier was clocked that is why the unsc was suprises that it was there
Believe it or not, the *UNSC Grafton* held a crew of 150 - 200 friendly troops while the *CSO-Class Covenant Supercarrier* held a crew of 90,000 - 110,000 enemy troops.
dude i freaked when i saw that covenant ships size
BigLui 27kilometers
Van 28km*
Imagine the mantles approach lmao
Marcel Rodriguez why would mantels Approach be in atmosphere? It would collide in planet
Ah the clip is goes one minute and seventeen seconds...get it?
Timepiece Enthusiasm 117!
87 seconds?
@@josephstalin6549 master chief's number is 117
RIP UNSC Grafton
Press F to pay respects.
I will pay
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0:55 i love how you can hear the alarms and sirens of grafton going down
I think I can hear it. It's hard when the music is playing.
I don't hear anything.
@@justrandomthings319You can hear it when you hear a "ªªªªh"
0:40
Brother: man that’s a big ship...
*grafton gets destroyed*
Brother: ...that’s a bigger ship!
OMG THE LENGTH OF THE VIDEO IS 117!
More MadMax Studios lol, just noticed that.
😱
I like walking around on the corvette on the next mission, getting a feel for its size compared to me and then looking at charts to compare other ships. Man it would be cool to have all the big Halo ships in a game to scale.
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Give this video a watch dude. Explains the sizes well.
I think we do see them to scale it's just hard to get an idea as to how far away you actually are from the ships or the distance between two different ships I'm pretty sure that all the Halo games are made in the same engine and all the same models but it's just that distance doesn't get conveyed at all
Frigate: haha , we got railguns! >:D
Super carrier: why hello there :3
NarrowKilla Its a Mac gun
..not a railgun...
MurphMonkey MACs are technically railguns. It's just a slug fired at a high speed.
TheTypicalCyclone actually it's a coil gun I think
They use magnetic fields to speed up their rounds, so they're railguns.
The Gauss cannon some warthogs have uses a miniaturized version of this too.
Just realized Noble 6 is holding on to Carters leg
Lol
+CoD Chernobyl no
He’s not though
Is it bad that every time i see savanna, and or Grafton (still, to this day) i salute?
Not at all
This was the moment they realized they were fighting a losing battle, and that Reach would inevitably fall.
And even after you destroy the Covenant's Super CV, you'd think you would gain an edge in the war...and then more of their fleet shows up.
For me, it was more like this.
Frigate blows up spiral
"We showed them"
Frigate get blown
"What the heck happened"
Lnos appears
"Jesus fucking christ. That. That. Is definitely going to be a problem."
End of next mission
Lnos Is destroyed
"Alright we did it, and now that that things gone hopefully we can turn the fight around."
Slipspace rupture detected.
"Slippace rupture? What's that?"
Covanant ships start appearing, must be the whole damn Covenant fleet.
"Were doomed, we had to pull off some crazy 1 time plan just to get rid of one of those things, their is no way were gonna be able to beat an entire fleet of them.
@@jacobmccabe6094no the fleet that appeared did not have a ship as big as the lnos
Just realized that they used the same sound for the mass driver as the MAC on the frigate.
It is an improvised MAC gun
Yes,Mass Drivers are basically MAC but used for civilian purposes. They're shooting projectiles very very fast so there's not a lot of difference. We can assume the mass drivers were modified by the UNSC as a part of Winter Contingency,to shoot military projectiles so they're very similar. @@1nfinitune533
This cutscene really set the tone for the rest of the game, I was so scared when I saw the Solace
The sense of scale of it stretching away into the horizon is great.
god Reach did such a good job showing just how outmatched humanity were by the Covenant
Still the best campaign
New Contact. High Tonnage.
Eamon Quinn I love The writing for auntie dot. I know she isn’t a smart ai so she is purposely a lot more static. But the fact that she simply states “new contact, high tonnage” just goes to show the differences between her and an ai like Cortana or Roland
No....no somebody tell me this aint happening
UNSC frigate Grafton, do you copy?
"Grafton is dust we need to get out of here now!"
Thats such an understatement hahaha
Jorge’s reaction always gets me
This cutscene was badass
When I first saw the UNSC Frigates show up on the battlefield after you blow the first AA gun to hell, I was like "hell yeah we're gonna win this war!"
Then the Covenant was like "we're just getting warmed up."
music is soooo good
This plus the bit where we blow up the Long Night of Solace feel like giant middle-fingers to the player in the best way possible! The spire gives scale and power to the Grafton, which in turn is completely blown out of the water by the LNoS. When we finally blow up the supercarrier, like twenty ships, all of which are just as powerful, drop out of slipspace. The world-ending threat we just took down was just a baby and we’re completely fucked when the rest of its family arrive! Tonal whiplash and one-upmanship used to GLORIOUS effect by Bungie!
Only problem I have with this cut-scene is that the MAC isn't as powerful as it should be. The LNoS on the other hand, dang that thing is big. o.o
Sean Grant
Oh, so that means they can make it weaker/stronger and it isn't set at one level of power?
Regular MAC rounds arnt powerful takes 3 shots the super MAC however fires 2/5 the speed of light which vaporizes ships on contact that frigate only had a MAC not a super MAC
@Sean Grant you are totally rigth, but even on the lowest setting, that Mac round should've created a small crater behind the relay, that thing is not even made to take shoots, specially mac rounds
Raving Rando the mac rounds on smaller ships are weaker and have less range,if it fired from too far either the mac round would not reach or it would explode in mid air.For a paris class frigate it has to shoot atleast 3 times at a covenant ship to take its shields down(the first two rounds would bounce off their shields)however for the bigger ships the mac guns are way more powerful and stronger and can travel at higher speeds.The ones on the ODPS where really powerful,they could travel at the speed of light and can pierce through a covenant ship even if it has its shields on.
@@axelramirez9074 Also known as a Super MAC
My favourite HALO quote
the two dislikers are the spire and grafton
DatGreenPotato the 6dislikers are grunts
And then you destroy the super-carrier. But only time to cheer for about 10 seconds. ^^
You destroyed the Covenant's Flagship, but their friends are coming to recollect the payment for the damages you caused.
That was so well done
Noble bois: "MAC cannons? IN ATMOSPHERE?! *
MAC cannon: *generic average explosion
I like this scene but the MAC round should have been way more dramatic. If not because of the physics involved then because they made it out to seem like firing a MAC round in atmosphere should never be done and then it's this little explosion comparatively.
Also, was that covenant ship cloaked till the last second? I really hope so cause how the hell do you miss that?
The spire was cloaking it
+kolslaw94 the spire the grafton destroyed was part of an array of spires that was cloaking the long night of solace. when the spire was destroyed, the array became broken and the super carrier became uncloaked
The way I understand it the mack rounds are massive balls of iron and tungsten maybe a few other things thrown in there for good measure so it's basically an oversized armor-piercing shot. Now by if more dramatic you mean going straight through the spire and then burying itself a boat say 20 feet into the mountain behind this fire and then yes but if you mean levelling the map with all very massive explosion no armour piercing shots don't do that unless the thing they're hitting explosion that Spire doesn't seem like it has anything on it that would cause such an explosion
@@ussessexcv-9189 It's not about the projectile itself exploding. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/24553/in-the-halo-universe-what-would-be-the-effect-of-a-mac-round-hitting-a-planet/193994
@@kolslaw94 I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at but I'm going to make a guess and assume you're saying the Mac round might have some kind of an effect on the planet itself. That is not the case why macarons are likely not used in atmosphere that much is because the sheer speed of the projectiles is enough to cause immense friction with the atmosphere doesn't matter the shape of the projectile you in if you had a perfectly aerodynamic bullet shape it would still cause a lot of friction so the range would be relatively short the reason why the ODP platform was able to take out the Covenant Ship at sword base is because gravity was assisting it but the Grafton using its Mac in atmosphere is probably rarely ever heard of because it's just not an effective way of doing things a nuke would probably have been a far better option but they probably didn't want to use nukes because they weren't expecting a supercarrier to be hidden by that spire and they were probably expecting to keep reach and want a massive irradiated Zone because of a nuke so that's probably why they use the Mac instead of a nuke when a nuke would have done the job far better
UNSC ship: MAC rounds have been authorized.
George: MAC ROUNDS IN ATMOSPHERE!!!
Carter: That’s one way to get there attention. XD
_Grafton_ destroys the spire, only to be destroyed by the _Long Night of Solace_ seconds later
Auntie Dot: New contact, high tonnage.
Jorge-052: No... NO! Someone tell me this ain't happening!
UNSC Ship: "UNSC to frigate Grafton do you copy?"
Carter: "Grafton is dust we need to get out of here now!"
This was the beginning of the end for reach in my opinion they threw everything they had at the covenant thinking they could contain the invasion but then that super carrier came in and we all knew it was over
For me it was when that second fleet showed up after the supercarrier was destroyed.
One of my favorite Halo cutscenes. Imagine seeing this as a 10yo kid. The Covenant’s imposing force and the complete hopelessness in realizing that these aliens that try to kill you are eras more technologically advanced than you.
0:30 when I'm playing Little Mac and I get a kill with a mid-air KO punch
Probably my favorite mission out of the entire game. The opening war sequence plus the varied gameplay had me replaying this mission for hours when i was a kid.
Gives me goosebumps whenever I see this cutscene. My favorite cutscene
I always loved how they made such a big deal about MAC rounds being fired in atmosphere but in game we just see a weak piss stream of a shot come out and a small explosion from the tower
Everybody gangster till the Long Night Of Solace uncloacks
Sees Frigate Grafton: Oh wow that ship is big!
Sees Covenant Supercarrier: OH WOW THAT SHIP IS BIG!
UNSC: *Hehe big ship go boom*
Covenant: *Hehehe bigger ship go pew*
Rip Grafton
Never knew what hit them
The first time I saw this I was absolutely gutted! Loved the design of Grafton.
I skipped this cutscene after picking up a fuel rod cannon and want my AR back thinking it wasn’t the end of the mission
Rewatching this scene every once in a while gives me goosebumps every time
Favorite part of the game never forget....
FEEL THE WRATH OF THE COVENANT HUMANS!
Its been so long i always forget how awsome og halo was like they knew how to give us a fun game with great story and universe building
Jorge just casually catching six and pulling him up like the tank he is.
This is such a moral killer for any marine on the ground.
1:02 Holy Crap! That is ENORMOUS! Get the hell out of there, Noble Team!
I love how noble 6 is just like oooh fireworks
Wow this still gives me gooseflesh
Just got back into playing reach, fun as ever until I realized Long Night of Solace was 28km long.
I think it's closer to 29 km but that doesn't really matter it's still a massive ship if I remember correctly it's one of the longest sci-fi ships definitely the longest in any of the Syfy games are movies that I am interested in.
29km long? Yes, very Long Night of Solace.
Yep. That sure got their attention.
Why would the Frigate move so close to the target? It really looks like it's 50-100 meters from the beacon which is super awkward. It could be cool if they had some decent sound involved in the scene, but there isn't.
That's what I'm thinking!
MaximumKrull very weak MAC round
something something, very fast mac round self vaperising as it travels in air hence the comment about useing it in Atmosphere. *insert random scifi techno babble*
MaximumKrull well the covenant carrier was 19miles long so I feel like it would not have mattered
@@FlukeyLuke actually the MAC guns are probably one of the most realistic things in all of Halo to that scale no we are a long time away from such weapons but militaries are investing a great deal of resources into coil guns which is what a Mac gun is a series of coils on either side of the barrel which are electrically charged which create a magnetic field pulling the projectile forward. So therefore scaling the power would be very very easy change the amount of charge or the amount of coils you use and also if you got it going up to Max Speed the project would probably vaporize itself in seconds in atmosphere which is why that line is said
This campaign was truly something
Long Night of Solace - CSO class supercarrier with a length of 29km and a crew numbering in the tens of thousands. Armed with countless heavy batteries and anti fighter turrets as well as not one, not two but at least SEVEN energy projectors (glassing beams), with one primary projector (the one used to destroy the Grafton).
Also, the O in its classification means it has forerunner tech upgrades.
One of the best mac cannon cutscenes ever
I feel like high tonnage is a bit of an understatement when describing a 152 billion ton ship.
0:48 Hey we did it... Oh shit.. well were fucked.
00:34 “one way to get their attention” 00:49 I think you got it
The Long Night of Solace was 19 miles long. To compare, the Executor from Star Wars (Super Star Destroyer) was 3 miles long.
Well, thanks July community update. I can never unsee the flock that doesn't despawn there.
"Nahhh, somebody tell me this ain't happening" - Jorge
It isn't happening
Halo fanbase when master cheeks bangs covenant girl: “no someone tell me this ain’t happening.”
anyone notice that the edge on top of the spire is small, and for some reason the noble 6 shrinks while hes running
I *just* realized that this wasn't a regular Battle Cruiser and was a Capital Ship...I'm so late, and freaking out, I'm such a dumbass
Dude, this is a CSO. It's 29km/17 miles long.
Great scene
thats because its a mac from a frigate
the Mac stations... now those can pack a punch
Wish I could have that same feeling I had when I first played this game
I love how this video is exactly 1 minute 17 seconds
I'm pretty sure Jorge's comment relates to all our reactions.
OMG yes we did it, we did - oh fuck.
"Macrounds in orbit" -jorge
Oh that's a deal more powerful. Yeah that number for the acceleration of the round sounds right. Thanks for the info. Just seemed silly in this cutscene to have the Frigate fire it like that at close range, based off the rules encountered in the expanded Halo universe.
Put it down to artistic license and "rule of cool".
This is basically the "There's always a bigger fish" meme
What a "MAC" round that was. A MAC round from a ship like that would be the scale of a nuclear weapon, one from the orbital MAC platform would put the soviet Tsar to shame.
I forget where I read this but the most successful MAC round ever fired was said to have penetrated through a super carrier, out the back through a cruiser, then into, but not through a third covenant ship, shields and all. The kinetic energy alone should have turned that mountain range to a butt hole.
I know they said the "Super MACs" (aka ODP MAC rounds) were capable of that feet, though I don't know of a particular instance of that actually happening. I do imagine that during the both the Battles of Reach and Earth, that probably happened numerous times.
The orbital macs guns are many times larger than the ones the frigates carry. It's like a .22 vs a 50 cal. Another thing that weakened the round was the fact that it was fired in atmosphere; it is designed for vacuum.
a paris class frigate has a light mac gun and a mac platform has a super mac gun the paris mac is weak
Aye yo, does anyone know how much damage a MAC platform such as Cairo Station would do fired at the surface?
like an atomic bomb without the radiation
If that Frigate's MAC gun had been firing at anywhere near full power then it would have blown itself up, vaporised NOBLE Team and likely put another big damned crater into the Utkozet Valley.
Best mission in ALL of halo
Cruiser sees frigate : that's cute
Jorge is wickedly strong! lifting a half ton of titanium battleplate with his forearm
i loved that frigate you covenant bastards!
I have to be honest here, seeing that ship looming over the planet looks pretty cool lol
The sewer system preparing to process my massive dump after eating a whole pizza:
This scene always bothered me. Gorge is just surprised as I am when MAC rounds are gonna be used in atmosphere. But then it fires and very little happens. Aren't MAC rounds hundreds to thousands of tons and travel relativistic light speed. Never mind the how loud it'd be tearing ass through the air, the kinetic force alone would be in the 10's of megatons range at bare minimum.