"3 times as expensive..." and THAT remains the problem for most people. This is why people get mad when certain people (in the government) say dumb things like "Just buy an electric car, what's the problem?! The rising fuel prices won't bother you then..."
This is the first version, and trucking companies look at TCO. If a truck is 3x as expensive but they run 1 million km, and can charge cheaper than driving on diesel, it makes financial sense. Also, electric cars require less service because of less moving parts.
even so, when the accountants have looked at the figures the ROI is very high even before the current fuel costs - companies that brought one or two soon switch the fleets over due to the cost-saving - by far your number one cost in a normal truck/lorry is the fuel. Also, add to that less downtime of trucks being serviced and repaired and then throw in drivers are not getting hurt by the vibrations of the cab as well
Unfortunate they’ll be as useless as your VW was in current form. 400kms is nothing for a truck, therefore they’ll need charging lots. At well over an hour to charge, on a fast charge, where they all gonna park? Can you imagine 25trucks trying to get in to fourwentways to charge lol
@@rupertm2542 For city driving and deliveries 400km would be more than enough. It is not going to be used for long hauling but in certain applications I think it is more than usable. A truck could run all day in a city landscape and not need to charge at all. Not every truck is doing 500 miles per day!
While in the army in Greece, I had once to fill an armored recovery vehicle (M88) with a regular car type diesel fuel pump. As you can imagine it took ages.
Excellent video, Dan and the team. I think this really sets the standard as to what we can expect for the haulage side. I'm in eCommerce and logistics and this is super interesting to see in a video - not just read about it!
As somebody who loves trucks unfortunately electric trucks just aint for me there is no better feeling than hearing a scania R950 coming down the road makes me smile with joy thats what truck,s are about...👂🏽👌🏾
Fantastic review of the e actros truck Daniel!! I agree these trucks are more for the suburbs city deliverys/collections etc !! Well done out in Germany!
Nicely done, Daniel! Up here in Durham, we've had a few electric bin wagons doing the rounds and they make a huge difference to the noise and smell. Well, okay, just the smell of diesel - they can't do much for what goes in the back! It's actually a mate of mine who first sorted out our bin wagon trial, and he was telling me that the typical bin wagon only does 1-2mpg with all the stop-start that happens. The loudest bit on the Electric version was the slightly squeeky hydraulic bin lifter, but that could be tackled with a spot'o grease! Talking of trials, though - what was that race circuit you mentioned...?!😉
@@BlackHawkBallistic Got an '06 diesel myself, just DPF and cats, no AdBlue. IMO pre-cat petrol/gas smelled better than catalysed, but then I grew up as a garage rat (like a mall rat, only with better toys and no wannabe fashion issues). It was more the total lack of any exhaust smells that I was getting at!
@@examinerian when did Europe start doing def/adblue? I know in the US the latest by law was 2014 but some companies like GM and Ford started in 2011 for some stupid reason while dodge held out.
@@BlackHawkBallistic For car/van it was 2014, with the Euro 6 emissions regs. For bigger commercial trucks it depends, some had to have it from Euro 4 in 2005, most for Euro 5.
It looks really nice. The Tesla Semi will be really nice for the long hauls once it comes out. Looking forward to see how that thing performs. Glad to see Mercedes putting out a decent large truck, hope it takes off.
Wouldnt hold your breath on the tesla semi. Cyber truck is three year late, semi is 4+ years late, hyper loop project has been shut down, self driving tesla without driver is 5+ years late, and the tesla tunnels have gone no where.
I'm not up for electric vehicles. One thing that hasn't been spoke about is when you constantly use the tail lift to load and unload . Big drain on battery's?
would you consider an electric fleet for aa? could be particularly good for zones with strict emission rules as well as those with noise requirements as well
Cracking video Daniel. Electric vehicles are definitely cool and would work for urban busses and urban delivery vehicles. But I still think for commercial haulage and HGV's hydrogen is the way to go. There is very little change needed to the current infrastructure and the vehicles for them to run hydrogen. Plus electric vehicles do weigh more due to the fact they have these battery packs which will reduce your available carrying capacity.
Spot on mate hydrogen is the way forward beats electric all day . People are being lied to about carbon footprint we produce more carbon emissions mining building and charging electric vehicles its utter madness. Hydrogen is the most abundant resource in the universe alswell as being pure clean energy its a no brainer.
@@ianbrown8171 cheers bud. And yeah I remember about 12/13 years ago everybody was pushing hydrogen then suddenly it all vanished. And next thing you know it's all about electric vehicles. I think electric vehicles definitely have their place. Little electric motorbikes even little cars built for urban areas. But anything with long distance then hydrogen is a no-brainer. Like you say mining lithium for batteries is an extremely dirty process and done in very questionable conditions in 3rd world countries. Also they never seem to talk about battery degradation in electric vehicles when it comes to their impact on the environment.
Once hydrogen rolls out i think ppl will just use it for everything. like range is the main reason why i personally think electric cars are a gimmick and ppl have just marketed it very well. atm electric cars are good if ur just driving around in town, and if u have a second ICE car to go for a longer distance. hydrogen is the way forward but my only concern is the people who have invested soo much money into these electric cars they will just say hydrogen is unsafe even though its been tested in cars without any problems for decades.
battery swaps. used to work at a warehouse with electric forklifts. they'd run 12 hours non stop lifting 4000lb pallets then two minutes to change the battery and they're off again.
What's it like laden; stop go traffic? You are almost certainly able to use your tracking data to characterise typical usage patterns - that will help you manage the tension between range and payload. Though I guess another element will be whether you are paid by Tonne delivered. As you said, London is screaming out for this. The reductions in pollution, noise, sound and exhaust will be game changing. I think you could acquire eshovels. And I know there is an esweeper to be had Now (saw at Commercial Vehicle Show last year.). I'd love to discuss the potential with you. (without commitment). Pete
A very honest assessment at the end. Can the trick do a long journey in Europe: No, but it will work in a built-up areas such as delivery and waste management. We are not ready to spend three times the cost of a Diesel truck for less range.
Anyone can drive the truck on the track and say it works. What you really need to do is take one out for the day. And use it as you would any other truck on a day to day basis. Then you will get the real deal. Heres a thought do a video of (a day in the life of an electric truck driver). Apart from that the contents of this video was pretty good full of information. 3x the price of a normal vehicle WOW thats gonna take some persuasion.
@@Grumpygrandad68 yeah that's the major problem. Is it even possible to run this truck at a profit for it's expected lifespan or is it going to depreciate by 80k and consume all the profits it generated? Either way they're coming along but I still don't think they're good enough to fully replace diesel. They need lighter batteries by a lot, more energy dense batteries that last longer and cost less to replace. Batteries that will drive you farther than a diesel, charge in at least half the time they are in this video, but they also need to be more affordable than a diesel. They've gotta be better in nearly every way or it's not worth it. 3x the cost for less range, less payload. It's just not worth it for most applications outside of local areas as our man here says. but it'll be interesting to see if they can get around these problems over the next few years. It would make them much more of an option. Right now in USA they want to make people buy all electric but the card just aren't up to snuff yet. They're either too geeky or high end luxury cars. Even the economical electric cars cost a small fortune. Problem is they punish you with gas tax and gas guzzler tax ect to try to get you to buy electric but most people can't afford it so they feel like they're just being forced to be punished and it's not helping the electric car movement because people end up not wanting them. In USA people drive a lot so they demand more utility, affordability, range, faster charge times, ECT, before theyll consider electric. Many have moved to it but they're some of the few who have been able to. For me an electric car just isn't good enough. I drive way too far away too often. Because they can't make an electric car that's better than a gas car, but they want to fine me for not buying one, it sorta feels like unfair punishment. The way I see it is when you have to punish everyone else in order to make your electric car viable, it's because your electric car sucks and it's losing without unfair advantages given to them. When I can get a Tesla that'll go 600 miles per charge and charge in 5-10 minutes and engineered to last 30+ years and costs the same or less than a Corolla, I'll buy one over a Corolla, but it's just not happening. At least yet. I'm better off getting a 1.8L Corolla or a 1.8L hybrid Corolla These big trucks are a different ball game. A lot of people will buy the car they like, but when it comes to hauling aggregate, it's all about the math. Are the trucks making or losing money? All the math is tracked and analyzed. So it'll be interesting to see if electric is profitable. The gas savings when gas costs a lot will be a major factory in that 180k price tag not hurting so much but it'll still hurt. You might not be buying gas but the money is all going to the vehicle payment 😂 if we're going to make these trucks viable, they've gotta cost the same, have the same range, fill up and charge in the same amount of time, drive equally as far ranges, have equal payloads, if not better I'm these aspects. I just don't see it happening yet. They're throwing out all the other logic and sticking with "good for environment" but is it really though? It's sure not good on the pocketbook or the payload. Is 1 diesel trip more or less polluting than 2 electric trips? One takes twice the time and time is money. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out tbh
So will an Electric truck lower the price of your products and make you more competitive? Or does the extra cost of the vehicle ie repayments increase your prices to get a return on your investment over the life of the truck ?
I understand the point of electric vehicles, but what is not talked about much is how the electricity that is needed to power the vehicles is made. If the power station that is making the electricity is not efficient then its counter productive. Its an issue that consumers need to realise and understand more about. Its not always just about the end product. Hope you agree Daniel because your SERIOUS. 👍😜
Electric vehicles would ideally be more suited around cities, towns or other built up areas where pollution atm is at an all time high I'd think. Maybe not everyone's ready like you said Dan, though can't disagree that this is the future right? E-Trucks could be more convenient around built up areas, though if anything I'd reckon they could be making a mix of both...Hybrid trucks. Electric around the cities, combustion then on the motorways / dual carriageways
very simple it's not based on cities. It will be just split between Day Cab Short Haul trucks will be electric mainly for their Responsive Performance. While better forms combustion will be used for Long Haul Trucks. It's just dictated by the technical limitations and advantages.
Amazing truck definitely a step in the right direction, I would assume in future models charging rate will be higher as 160kw for the size of the battery's isn't much as there's Teslas that charge at 250KW
CharIn just presented the 3,75MW MCS standard for trucks and busses, and there are plans to roll out a network of charging locations throughout Europe for long haul electric trucking.
Can the electricity grid cope with companies using these trucks instead of diesel trucks? Also, with a few tons of battery chemistry onboard, that would be one hell of a roadside fire. Can the Fire Brigade cope?
You should have started with how the battery was made and what minerals are used to make the battery and how much of this mineral is used to manufacture one battery
This is great for towns and cities. Less noise cleaner. Long distances we need to really shift back to trains. we have shipping containers now or multimodal trailers. In the worst case overhead wires on motorways
Hi Daniel, I can’t help wondering if the acceleration is similar to a Tesla? Obviously a Lorry won’t have the awesome fast acceleration that a Tesla has, but is it similar as in instant speed, Acceleration that doesn’t feel normal, faster acceleration than a Diesel Lorry?
What i love about electric vehicles the most is the fact that pollution levels will drop drastically. Let's not forget about the effect this will have on peoples health.
How is the electricity made to charge the vehicle? Bit like the video of the jcb mini digger running for a few hours on a full charge but took a Cummins diesel generator 12 hours to charge the digger battery Looks good on paper
Hey Daniel, I am a new scribe from Canada 🇨🇦. Love the content brother. I also have a construction back ground and am currently a full time long haul OTR truck driver. Gotta say tho, Ya need some more fishing trips with a Terry haha. Pissed myself laughing. Have a great day and appreciate the awesome vids.
With lithium-sulphur cells nearing a reality it's clear the future will be bright, especially when the scale of production makes this technology affordable. A sharp review. Thanks.
Electric is good and all but i have to advocate for Hydrogen fueled lorries because; a. you can fill up in like 5 mins, b. reduce/eliminate the need for heavy/not really environmentally friendly batteries (depending on the technology used)
But the same problem with building a new refuelling infrastructure exists with hydrogen, then there's the training on refuelling. I drove LPG powered trucks and initially I didn't refuel at the end of the day because I wasn't trained, then I got the training. With the industries fast turnover of staff there will be someone working full time just training drivers on refuelling.
@@Sarge084 I honestly don't see that as a big problem these days. Everyone has to learn how to use a fuel pump in their life. With UA-cam and stuff like that all people have to do is watch a video. What u worry about with hydrogen is explosions in accidents. With regular fuel you have to worry about fires, but not explosions. Hydrogen fuel stations basically don't exist for anyone in any real meaningful way, you're right. But if that gets better over time then hydrogen will be just as good of an option as anything else
Great video, I’m driving an electric 26 tonne bin lorry I agree the comfort is great, not having the engine noise makes for a great day driving, the only down side is the higher price to buy one
very rarely do people purchase a vehicle with cash, up front. If they are on finance, then there is not much difference. instead of paying X a month on the vehicle + Y a month on fuel+maintenance you pay X+Y a month for the vehicle then next to nothing for fuel+maintenance. obviously the numbers won't be 1:1 and I have over simplified, but not many people think of "the additional things" when thinking of vehicles monthly costs.
Great video Daniel as all ways very professional looks really nice truck there is one thing that I picked up on you said its your favourite colour blue/white and I thought to my self that couldn't be right you spray all your trucks black and any equipment the same the so I am a bit confused. Keep up the good videos I do injoy them.
Pretty good, but the power density isn't quite there yet to make it viable. Now 400km range for local / domestic city rotues would be more than good for pick up and delivery. Although you would need all night to recharge. 400km range / batteries= 3000kg /6614lbs. Keep in mind you can get the same range from 200L or less of diesel. Not to mention that's only 200KG / 400lbs of diesel so you increase your payload by 6000+ lbs which is equivalent to 3 pallets of heavy materials. Yes I realize the truck no longer has a heavy diesel driveline in it, so maybe it breaks even somewhere. I am an advocate of green energy, I just think it has a bit of ways to go.
I wonder how much for a replacement battery? My workplace has just ordered some internal movement trucks (not Mercs) at a cost of c£250k each plus £100k for a spare battery
He'll probably buy an electric truck or two for the real local stuff. Being in Europe and all. When he can find one that isn't 3x the cost with less utility
What are the benefits having diesel compared to batteries? There is the carbon foot print that is gone, it's quiet, It also has other features such as more cameras. The down side is charging time, battery replacement is expensive. Diesel trucks are noisy, it has a carbon foot print, it takes less time to fill the tanks than to charge. It is a nice truck but will it provide the power needed to climb steep hills. Is Mercedes Benz using Daniel as there front man to sale those trucks.
Indeed, and because of regeneration, the extra power required to go uphill is offset by regenerating power when going downhill. Driving an EV in the mountains is super fun.
Lots of good comments here. We need a real life cost analysis of a 2022 motor against the one you’re reviewing. Initial purchase cost or contract hire rates, mileage costs, service costs/ intervals. Whole life costs and residuals guaranteed or not. Warranty? Yes, ideally the answer to local and intercity day/night deliveries, but at what cost to the operator and shopper ? Infrastructure investment, at the depot or elsewhere is an added cost someone has to pay for. Let’s not forget it’s nothing new, there used to be many electric milk floats ( Crompton Electricars) running about back in the 60s and 70s. 🏴🇺🇸
The button is redundant anyway. Legacy brands still work with having to push a button or turning a key, but modern EV's just know you got in and are online. The "start engine" in an electric vehicle does nothing, really. It's an unnecessary step between having the vehicle come online, and putting it in Drive.
When you slammed on the brakes a lot of braking happened from the electric motors (like the old engine braking). Also, electric trucks will be significantly better than diesel trucks in heavy pulling since you have full torque from zero rpm. There is a reason trains use electric motors for propulsion. Also, maintenance will be significantly cheaper
shouldn't the maintenance part of the truck also be way cheaper compared to normal ones? considering there are less moving parts meaning less parts that may or may not need to be replaced, and considering the fact that fuel prices are going to rise in the future compared to electricity. I also think that moving on the batteries will develop more and more in a way that makes their lifetime longer and their capacity bigger... if the industry does not pull a planned obsolescence move xD
Yes maintenance will be cheaper for EV trucks than diesel. But that maintenance cost savings is basically offset by the more efficient payload to fuel weight of diesel trucks. As Daniel noted more payload means less range for EV's. If payload is not really an issue and the daily trip distances are less than 300 miles EV trucks become a more attractive. Specifically for Daniels aggregate business, because the more aggregate he can deliver the more revenue his company generates, I can't see any way he'll be getting electric vehicles to haul aggregate any time soon. Their skip Lorries OTH which really carry as much volume as they do weight might be potential options to convert to EV.
'I feel like I'm at the Nuremberg' - Daniel Ashville 2022
Yeah i thought im sure he means Nurburgring
Well it is German so you never know
Loved the tweaks to the Asheville branding for the intro. Great job to whoever did that. 👍🏻
This is an excellent review. I hope you bring the eActros into your fleet someday soon.
You’re living the dream, brother.
"3 times as expensive..." and THAT remains the problem for most people. This is why people get mad when certain people (in the government) say dumb things like "Just buy an electric car, what's the problem?! The rising fuel prices won't bother you then..."
The price will drop most people couldn't afford mobiles 30 years ago.
This is the first version, and trucking companies look at TCO. If a truck is 3x as expensive but they run 1 million km, and can charge cheaper than driving on diesel, it makes financial sense. Also, electric cars require less service because of less moving parts.
even so, when the accountants have looked at the figures the ROI is very high even before the current fuel costs - companies that brought one or two soon switch the fleets over due to the cost-saving - by far your number one cost in a normal truck/lorry is the fuel. Also, add to that less downtime of trucks being serviced and repaired and then throw in drivers are not getting hurt by the vibrations of the cab as well
Electric cars are NOT 3 times as expensive. I'm paying 3p per mile.
Yes and let's not forget
Once most are using electric the price of electric will increase
Love an electric vehicle! 😍
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Unfortunate they’ll be as useless as your VW was in current form. 400kms is nothing for a truck, therefore they’ll need charging lots. At well over an hour to charge, on a fast charge, where they all gonna park? Can you imagine 25trucks trying to get in to fourwentways to charge lol
@@rupertm2542 they will work nicely for city trucks , garbage trucks etc but will be a while until you can actually do long journeys in electric truck
@@rupertm2542 For city driving and deliveries 400km would be more than enough. It is not going to be used for long hauling but in certain applications I think it is more than usable. A truck could run all day in a city landscape and not need to charge at all. Not every truck is doing 500 miles per day!
Pedestrians and cyclists are going to get. Killed !, you can not hear them coming up on you.
While in the army in Greece, I had once to fill an armored recovery vehicle (M88) with a regular car type diesel fuel pump. As you can imagine it took ages.
Excellent video, Dan and the team. I think this really sets the standard as to what we can expect for the haulage side. I'm in eCommerce and logistics and this is super interesting to see in a video - not just read about it!
You were the right man for this demo. Thank you.
Great video! Always loving the authentic content!!
Now more importantly is the Aircon good? Being on the road 40+ hours a week Aircon is much needed especially atm....
I think you meant you felt like you were at the Nurburgring, not Nuremberg...famous for different things...🤣
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@6:20 I think you meant to say the Nurburgring not Nuremberg!!!
As somebody who loves trucks unfortunately electric trucks just aint for me there is no better feeling than hearing a scania R950 coming down the road makes me smile with joy thats what truck,s are about...👂🏽👌🏾
Fantastic review of the e actros truck Daniel!!
I agree these trucks are more for the suburbs city deliverys/collections etc !!
Well done out in Germany!
Nicely done, Daniel! Up here in Durham, we've had a few electric bin wagons doing the rounds and they make a huge difference to the noise and smell. Well, okay, just the smell of diesel - they can't do much for what goes in the back!
It's actually a mate of mine who first sorted out our bin wagon trial, and he was telling me that the typical bin wagon only does 1-2mpg with all the stop-start that happens. The loudest bit on the Electric version was the slightly squeeky hydraulic bin lifter, but that could be tackled with a spot'o grease!
Talking of trials, though - what was that race circuit you mentioned...?!😉
Neurinburg 😂 neurinburg ring I guess
Diesel exhaust smells great, it's just when you have urea dumped into it when it smells bad. I could smell pre emissions exhaust all day, love it
@@BlackHawkBallistic Got an '06 diesel myself, just DPF and cats, no AdBlue. IMO pre-cat petrol/gas smelled better than catalysed, but then I grew up as a garage rat (like a mall rat, only with better toys and no wannabe fashion issues). It was more the total lack of any exhaust smells that I was getting at!
@@examinerian when did Europe start doing def/adblue? I know in the US the latest by law was 2014 but some companies like GM and Ford started in 2011 for some stupid reason while dodge held out.
@@BlackHawkBallistic For car/van it was 2014, with the Euro 6 emissions regs. For bigger commercial trucks it depends, some had to have it from Euro 4 in 2005, most for Euro 5.
Hi Daniel, so great to see how our day in Wörth with the eActros now is the base for this really cool video! I love it!
Best greetings Corinna
I haven't started watching the video and like it anything to do with lorry keep up the good work Daniel 👍🇮🇪
was the truck loaded when you tested it ? and whats the payload capacity of that truck?
That Intro with the electric a was sick
Great vid, were the trucks fully loaded or empty on the test drive?
It looks really nice. The Tesla Semi will be really nice for the long hauls once it comes out. Looking forward to see how that thing performs. Glad to see Mercedes putting out a decent large truck, hope it takes off.
Wouldnt hold your breath on the tesla semi. Cyber truck is three year late, semi is 4+ years late, hyper loop project has been shut down, self driving tesla without driver is 5+ years late, and the tesla tunnels have gone no where.
Two Asheville vids back to back. We up.
how much power would your grabs use while loading a full load of material cant see them lasting that long myself
Somebody get this man on carwow
Amazing content!!!
Great stuff. The way forward. Nice 😊
another major factor is the repair and maintenance. Also would mercedes provide battery replacement if you get these second hand
warranty with batteries,fair enough but when the warranty runs out or something goes wrong how much are they to replace?
Now this all seems good! But when the batteries die, how do they dispense of them?
I'm not up for electric vehicles.
One thing that hasn't been spoke about is when you constantly use the tail lift to load and unload .
Big drain on battery's?
Most tailgate loaders have option for an external battery
would you consider an electric fleet for aa? could be particularly good for zones with strict emission rules as well as those with noise requirements as well
Awesome stuff! excited about the future. lots of Good stuff cooking
The balance of the electric truck is something to naturally love😻
drum and bass 😍😍😍😍😍😍 great review 😎
Well done mate - Different and informative.
Cracking video Daniel. Electric vehicles are definitely cool and would work for urban busses and urban delivery vehicles. But I still think for commercial haulage and HGV's hydrogen is the way to go. There is very little change needed to the current infrastructure and the vehicles for them to run hydrogen. Plus electric vehicles do weigh more due to the fact they have these battery packs which will reduce your available carrying capacity.
@Lancashirelad I checked riversimple cars out as I haven't herd of them before. Looks really cool will definitely be keeping an eye on them
Spot on mate hydrogen is the way forward beats electric all day . People are being lied to about carbon footprint we produce more carbon emissions mining building and charging electric vehicles its utter madness. Hydrogen is the most abundant resource in the universe alswell as being pure clean energy its a no brainer.
@@ianbrown8171 cheers bud. And yeah I remember about 12/13 years ago everybody was pushing hydrogen then suddenly it all vanished. And next thing you know it's all about electric vehicles. I think electric vehicles definitely have their place. Little electric motorbikes even little cars built for urban areas. But anything with long distance then hydrogen is a no-brainer. Like you say mining lithium for batteries is an extremely dirty process and done in very questionable conditions in 3rd world countries. Also they never seem to talk about battery degradation in electric vehicles when it comes to their impact on the environment.
@Lancashirelad correct my friend
Once hydrogen rolls out i think ppl will just use it for everything.
like range is the main reason why i personally think electric cars are a gimmick and ppl have just marketed it very well.
atm electric cars are good if ur just driving around in town, and if u have a second ICE car to go for a longer distance.
hydrogen is the way forward but my only concern is the people who have invested soo much money into these electric cars they will just say hydrogen is unsafe even though its been tested in cars without any problems for decades.
Loving the content ashville team keep it up!
battery swaps. used to work at a warehouse with electric forklifts. they'd run 12 hours non stop lifting 4000lb pallets then two minutes to change the battery and they're off again.
What's it like laden; stop go traffic? You are almost certainly able to use your tracking data to characterise typical usage patterns - that will help you manage the tension between range and payload. Though I guess another element will be whether you are paid by Tonne delivered. As you said, London is screaming out for this. The reductions in pollution, noise, sound and exhaust will be game changing. I think you could acquire eshovels. And I know there is an esweeper to be had Now (saw at Commercial Vehicle Show last year.). I'd love to discuss the potential with you. (without commitment). Pete
A very honest assessment at the end. Can the trick do a long journey in Europe: No, but it will work in a built-up areas such as delivery and waste management. We are not ready to spend three times the cost of a Diesel truck for less range.
Camera wing mirrors are great, other drivers can not see your reflection so you can use your phone while driving
Anyone can drive the truck on the track and say it works. What you really need to do is take one out for the day. And use it as you would any other truck on a day to day basis. Then you will get the real deal. Heres a thought do a video of (a day in the life of an electric truck driver).
Apart from that the contents of this video was pretty good full of information. 3x the price of a normal vehicle WOW thats gonna take some persuasion.
£180k base model with no extras!!!!
@@Grumpygrandad68 yeah that's the major problem. Is it even possible to run this truck at a profit for it's expected lifespan or is it going to depreciate by 80k and consume all the profits it generated? Either way they're coming along but I still don't think they're good enough to fully replace diesel. They need lighter batteries by a lot, more energy dense batteries that last longer and cost less to replace. Batteries that will drive you farther than a diesel, charge in at least half the time they are in this video, but they also need to be more affordable than a diesel. They've gotta be better in nearly every way or it's not worth it. 3x the cost for less range, less payload. It's just not worth it for most applications outside of local areas as our man here says. but it'll be interesting to see if they can get around these problems over the next few years. It would make them much more of an option.
Right now in USA they want to make people buy all electric but the card just aren't up to snuff yet. They're either too geeky or high end luxury cars. Even the economical electric cars cost a small fortune. Problem is they punish you with gas tax and gas guzzler tax ect to try to get you to buy electric but most people can't afford it so they feel like they're just being forced to be punished and it's not helping the electric car movement because people end up not wanting them. In USA people drive a lot so they demand more utility, affordability, range, faster charge times, ECT, before theyll consider electric. Many have moved to it but they're some of the few who have been able to. For me an electric car just isn't good enough. I drive way too far away too often. Because they can't make an electric car that's better than a gas car, but they want to fine me for not buying one, it sorta feels like unfair punishment. The way I see it is when you have to punish everyone else in order to make your electric car viable, it's because your electric car sucks and it's losing without unfair advantages given to them.
When I can get a Tesla that'll go 600 miles per charge and charge in 5-10 minutes and engineered to last 30+ years and costs the same or less than a Corolla, I'll buy one over a Corolla, but it's just not happening. At least yet. I'm better off getting a 1.8L Corolla or a 1.8L hybrid Corolla
These big trucks are a different ball game. A lot of people will buy the car they like, but when it comes to hauling aggregate, it's all about the math. Are the trucks making or losing money? All the math is tracked and analyzed. So it'll be interesting to see if electric is profitable. The gas savings when gas costs a lot will be a major factory in that 180k price tag not hurting so much but it'll still hurt. You might not be buying gas but the money is all going to the vehicle payment 😂 if we're going to make these trucks viable, they've gotta cost the same, have the same range, fill up and charge in the same amount of time, drive equally as far ranges, have equal payloads, if not better I'm these aspects. I just don't see it happening yet. They're throwing out all the other logic and sticking with "good for environment" but is it really though? It's sure not good on the pocketbook or the payload. Is 1 diesel trip more or less polluting than 2 electric trips? One takes twice the time and time is money. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out tbh
That is awesome! Let's get all city delivery trucks replaces with electric ones!
So will an Electric truck lower the price of your products and make you more competitive? Or does the extra cost of the vehicle ie repayments increase your prices to get a return on your investment over the life of the truck ?
Don’t suppose you can go and review a hydrogen truck when they are available could you. We are apparently getting some at the end of next year 🤷♂️
A very fair review.
I understand the point of electric vehicles, but what is not talked about much is how the electricity that is needed to power the vehicles is made. If the power station that is making the electricity is not efficient then its counter productive. Its an issue that consumers need to realise and understand more about. Its not always just about the end product. Hope you agree Daniel because your SERIOUS. 👍😜
Electric vehicles would ideally be more suited around cities, towns or other built up areas where pollution atm is at an all time high I'd think.
Maybe not everyone's ready like you said Dan, though can't disagree that this is the future right? E-Trucks could be more convenient around built up areas, though if anything I'd reckon they could be making a mix of both...Hybrid trucks. Electric around the cities, combustion then on the motorways / dual carriageways
very simple it's not based on cities. It will be just split between Day Cab Short Haul trucks will be electric mainly for their Responsive Performance. While better forms combustion will be used for Long Haul Trucks. It's just dictated by the technical limitations and advantages.
Great intro with the logo.
Amazing truck definitely a step in the right direction, I would assume in future models charging rate will be higher as 160kw for the size of the battery's isn't much as there's Teslas that charge at 250KW
CharIn just presented the 3,75MW MCS standard for trucks and busses, and there are plans to roll out a network of charging locations throughout Europe for long haul electric trucking.
Intriguing that you mention Tesla because their semi is supposed to do 800Km whilst charging in the MW range but also costs similarly to this too.
You are not only an aggregator but a good presentator 😁
Can the electricity grid cope with companies using these trucks instead of diesel trucks? Also, with a few tons of battery chemistry onboard, that would be one hell of a roadside fire. Can the Fire Brigade cope?
How much heavier is the 400 than the diesel equivalent?
Awesome content as always
Viewed some electric buses in Cardiff it was lovely to be on and much quieter than a normal bus when driving
You should have started with how the battery was made and what minerals are used to make the battery and how much of this mineral is used to manufacture one battery
This is great for towns and cities. Less noise cleaner. Long distances we need to really shift back to trains. we have shipping containers now or multimodal trailers.
In the worst case overhead wires on motorways
Hi Daniel, I can’t help wondering if the acceleration is similar to a Tesla? Obviously a Lorry won’t have the awesome fast acceleration that a Tesla has, but is it similar as in instant speed, Acceleration that doesn’t feel normal, faster acceleration than a Diesel Lorry?
What i love about electric vehicles the most is the fact that pollution levels will drop drastically. Let's not forget about the effect this will have on peoples health.
Lithium mining to make the batteries plus disposable of them isn’t so “green” after all
How is the electricity made to charge the vehicle?
Bit like the video of the jcb mini digger running for a few hours on a full charge but took a Cummins diesel generator 12 hours to charge the digger battery
Looks good on paper
@@Jp-eo7jl ah yes because power station emissions are released about 6 feet away from my face when I'm walking down the street. That's the difference.
Hey Daniel, I am a new scribe from Canada 🇨🇦. Love the content brother. I also have a construction back ground and am currently a full time long haul OTR truck driver. Gotta say tho,
Ya need some more fishing trips with a Terry haha. Pissed myself laughing. Have a great day and appreciate the awesome vids.
With lithium-sulphur cells nearing a reality it's clear the future will be bright, especially when the scale of production makes this technology affordable. A sharp review. Thanks.
Have fun mining the entire globe for lithium so we can use it in the 2024 model years and then start running out haha
Electric is good and all but i have to advocate for Hydrogen fueled lorries because; a. you can fill up in like 5 mins, b. reduce/eliminate the need for heavy/not really environmentally friendly batteries (depending on the technology used)
But the same problem with building a new refuelling infrastructure exists with hydrogen, then there's the training on refuelling. I drove LPG powered trucks and initially I didn't refuel at the end of the day because I wasn't trained, then I got the training. With the industries fast turnover of staff there will be someone working full time just training drivers on refuelling.
@@Sarge084 I honestly don't see that as a big problem these days. Everyone has to learn how to use a fuel pump in their life. With UA-cam and stuff like that all people have to do is watch a video. What u worry about with hydrogen is explosions in accidents. With regular fuel you have to worry about fires, but not explosions. Hydrogen fuel stations basically don't exist for anyone in any real meaningful way, you're right. But if that gets better over time then hydrogen will be just as good of an option as anything else
its interesting to see Ashville not looking in their own backyard towards JCB with their Hydrogen ICE excavator/bobcats.
Daniel thankyou for talking slower I really liked listening to this....do you ever train them sparrow legs😂😂😎
After this dan is rolling in a EQS for free!!!
Where I think it’s best suited is a municipal truck, town driving and overnight charging, but are councils willing to pay extra for cheaper fuel?
The 4x2 is 19 tonnes gross weight which is around 1 tonne over the typical ICE equivalent.
Great video, I’m driving an electric 26 tonne bin lorry I agree the comfort is great, not having the engine noise makes for a great day driving, the only down side is the higher price to buy one
very rarely do people purchase a vehicle with cash, up front.
If they are on finance, then there is not much difference. instead of paying X a month on the vehicle + Y a month on fuel+maintenance you pay
X+Y a month for the vehicle then next to nothing for fuel+maintenance.
obviously the numbers won't be 1:1 and I have over simplified, but not many people think of "the additional things" when thinking of vehicles monthly costs.
will it do 186 miles with a full load?
Great video Daniel as all ways very professional looks really nice truck there is one thing that I picked up on you said its your favourite colour blue/white and I thought to my self that couldn't be right you spray all your trucks black and any equipment the same the so I am a bit confused. Keep up the good videos I do injoy them.
I thought you were gonna order two of 300s while you were there 😂
Great work Boss..
To use these u have to burn more files and crap to produce the electricity for charging so its about the same carbon print
I’ve been training NHS drivers on the DAF version of this today, like you say very quiet and quick off the mark ⚡️ 🚛
Have you done Normanton yet? They had the charging point in, but cable isn't long enough 🤣🤣🤣
Will there be any chassis or cab options
As a trucker for FedEx they tried electric trucks but the infrastructure just isn’t there for the amount of work they need to clear in a daily basis
Not surprised Bud, with 200 drops a day 😳😂
@@andy.m265 exactly 🤦🏻♂️
What’s this got to do with Asheville?
Why they don't fit solar panels on roofs trailers/rigids?
Well done Daniel. You have missed your calling!
How's those bus fires getting on?
Did it have weight on the back
It’s really odd that the electric stuck with a bigger floor space has the same range as a bmw i4 Y. Let’s see what range the Tesla trucks can do.
How's a tail lift going to affect the range?
Square root of feck all, if anything tipping with it (moving down loaded, moving up unloaded) might even charge the battery (iiiiin theory) 😅
@@williamstrachan can see plenty getting stuck mid lift 😅
so are you going to get some new electric tippers then good blog Gary from Crewe👍👍👍👍
Pretty good, but the power density isn't quite there yet to make it viable.
Now 400km range for local / domestic city rotues would be more than good for pick up and delivery. Although you would need all night to recharge.
400km range / batteries= 3000kg /6614lbs.
Keep in mind you can get the same range from 200L or less of diesel. Not to mention that's only 200KG / 400lbs of diesel so you increase your payload by 6000+ lbs which is equivalent to 3 pallets of heavy materials.
Yes I realize the truck no longer has a heavy diesel driveline in it, so maybe it breaks even somewhere.
I am an advocate of green energy, I just think it has a bit of ways to go.
agree
Hopefully you meant Nurburgring not Nuremberg Daniel. Not quite the same considering where you were 🙈
I wonder how much for a replacement battery?
My workplace has just ordered some internal movement trucks (not Mercs) at a cost of c£250k each plus £100k for a spare battery
What brand?
@@davidsimm9126 No idea on the battery brand, but the tractor units are being supplied by Terberg
Is Ashville planning to buy these trucks for the fleet?
He'll probably buy an electric truck or two for the real local stuff. Being in Europe and all. When he can find one that isn't 3x the cost with less utility
What are the benefits having diesel compared to batteries? There is the carbon foot print that is gone, it's quiet, It also has other features such as more cameras. The down side is charging time, battery replacement is expensive. Diesel trucks are noisy, it has a carbon foot print, it takes less time to fill the tanks than to charge. It is a nice truck but will it provide the power needed to climb steep hills. Is Mercedes Benz using Daniel as there front man to sale those trucks.
What’s the lifetime of these batteries??
what would it be like with a load on the back.running about on a track empty.is not showing what the truck can do.
it's all well and good moving to electric. but what is still the main generator of power?? coal in most places. so it's not solving anything 🤷🏼♂️
I don’t know how many miles to a tank a diesel lorry does but surely 180 miles per charge is not enough?
Austria is going to be buying these like pancakes. The rage is really good and they are big on their environmentalism goals.
Indeed, and because of regeneration, the extra power required to go uphill is offset by regenerating power when going downhill. Driving an EV in the mountains is super fun.
@@WouterHermans I wouldn't think they would be made for the mountains. They would be for the city and deliveries from the farms.
So I guess the next truck at Asheville is a eActros 300 4x2 Babygrab.
Lots of good comments here. We need a real life cost analysis of a 2022 motor against the one you’re reviewing. Initial purchase cost or contract hire rates, mileage costs, service costs/ intervals. Whole life costs and residuals guaranteed or not. Warranty?
Yes, ideally the answer to local and intercity day/night deliveries, but at what cost to the operator and shopper ?
Infrastructure investment, at the depot or elsewhere is an added cost someone has to pay for.
Let’s not forget it’s nothing new, there used to be many electric milk floats ( Crompton Electricars) running about back in the 60s and 70s.
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5:13 So does this mean the "Start Engine" button is mislabelled and instead needs to say "Start Motors" ? 😅
"Excite Motor" or "Energise Motor" sounds kind cool I think?
The button is redundant anyway. Legacy brands still work with having to push a button or turning a key, but modern EV's just know you got in and are online. The "start engine" in an electric vehicle does nothing, really. It's an unnecessary step between having the vehicle come online, and putting it in Drive.
When you slammed on the brakes a lot of braking happened from the electric motors (like the old engine braking). Also, electric trucks will be significantly better than diesel trucks in heavy pulling since you have full torque from zero rpm. There is a reason trains use electric motors for propulsion. Also, maintenance will be significantly cheaper
But also the heavy coal trains use diesel engines
@@EnglishDrifts69GTxRED Diesel / electric engines.
@@asicdathens key word is diesel
shouldn't the maintenance part of the truck also be way cheaper compared to normal ones?
considering there are less moving parts meaning less parts that may or may not need to be replaced,
and considering the fact that fuel prices are going to rise in the future compared to electricity.
I also think that moving on the batteries will develop more and more in a way that makes their lifetime longer and their capacity bigger...
if the industry does not pull a planned obsolescence move xD
Yes maintenance will be cheaper for EV trucks than diesel. But that maintenance cost savings is basically
offset by the more efficient payload to fuel weight of diesel trucks. As Daniel noted more payload means less range for EV's. If payload is not really an issue and the daily trip distances are less than 300 miles EV trucks become a more attractive.
Specifically for Daniels aggregate business, because the more aggregate he can deliver the more revenue his company generates, I can't see any way he'll be getting electric vehicles to haul aggregate any time soon.
Their skip Lorries OTH which really carry as much volume as they do weight might be potential options to convert to EV.
At 6:20 "I feel like I'm at the Nuremberg"..? I take it you mean the Nürburgring, not the Nuremberg War Trials in 1945.
Why is it an Eactros when the antos to my knowledge is their class 2 truck and the actros is the class 1?