Thank you for your comment. I am very happy if someone likes my videos and is tempted to buy binoculars, especially the older models. Greetings from the Black Forest!
There were also attempts by the KOMZ Optical plant design bureau to introduce an ultra wide field binocular in the size of 4x16. The БШЦ 4х16 . Several attempts were made, and a small production number was issued (about 300 samples). The prototype was designed with ultrawide oculars. The production sample was fitted with more "standard" oculars similar to the design of the БПШЦ. Some 2 or 3 samples of various oculars designs were offered online last year with a price tag close to 2000 Euros. The TFOV is rated as 15 degrees, making it the most ultrawide (in terms of TFOV) soviet prismatic binocular ever made. The image is rather nice, probably was designed to be used in a theatre or while watchig sport events. However it is nowhere close in terms of the ocular field to the mighthy БПШ8х30.
I would like to add also - this is a "second revision" БПШЦ-2 of this binocular, early 70's. (1973) The production was completely ceased in 1978-1979. The orginal one - the БПШЦ was produced from the mid 60's up to 1969 with a pause. Then, a second generation was introduced. Please also note - there's a very rare prototype version, known as a БПШ 6х24 with an individual focusing system produced be the ZOMZ (Zagorsk) factory in the early 60's. This is a special issue binocular used by Soviet Cosmonauts onboard of the Vostok-5 Space ships. (Mr, Valeriy Bykovsky in particular). Total amount of the produced items is unknown - but it should be very low (less than a 100 pcs.) This binocular while bearing the same name is slightly different in optical path and the design, but many collectors consider it to be the prototype of pre-production piece - which was later used as a conception for the civil market БПШ 6х24 produced by KOMZ (Kazan).
Thanks again for that information! I had already noticed that the versions with older production dates are labeled БПЩ6x24 while the newer ones are labeled as БШЦ2 6x24. There are apparently even Chinese copies of the БШЦ2 6x24. The version of the БПШ 6х24 with individual focus is probably even rarer than БПШ 8x30 I´d guess. There are apparently still some interesting Russian binoculars, of which not much is known.
i must show my admiration for the quality of the comments in this video, a lot of interesting technical and historical detail. thanks both Paracellum and Blackforestrecon!
Please, some informations about the same model presented here, but marked „Basta Compact“ on the left side and „6x24 11,5° Vidvinkel serial no.“ (on the right side)
@@radus2968 This is an export model which was produced by KOMZ (Kazan Optical & Mechanical Plant, USSR) specifically for the Swedish market. All the inscriptions are in Swedish. "Vidvinkel" - Wide Field of View in Swedish. The binocular was not intented to be sold elsewhere - except Sweden. There's currenntly the same binocular on sale at e-bay - severely overprcied for such a used condition. www.ebay.com/itm/Binocular-Basta-Compact-6x24-11-5-Vidvinkel-7106941-Rare-model-/183839419938
Thank you very much, sir, for the informations! I consider it a good binocular, but highly overpriced. I bought it with around 40€ (including the bag) in a very good state, which I guess it's the real price (give or take).
если будет возможность, попробуйте БПО 6х30. у него такие же окуляры, как у Б7х30 Секунда (гражданский аналог БПОс 7х30). Поле зрения 200м/1000м практически без искажений и потери резкости. БПО 6х30 один из самых лучших советских биноклей. На его базе потом сделали Секунду 7х30
BlackForestRecon Спасибо за ваши обзоры! После БПО 6х30 вышел БОЦ 6х30 после 1972 года, но по сути это один и тот же бинокль! У меня он есть, действительно очень хороший!👍🏻
I´m getting into these too. There are also some interesting 8x30s with a wide field of view. Like the Deltrentis and the Deltrintem, which are celebrating their 100th anniversary this year. I will accompany this anniversary with some wide-fov models.
Hi guys! Very informative comments section! Thank you! What would be a fair price for these binoculars as im in a position of being able to acquire them.
You get them at ebay for about 100 to 250 Euros. If it´s in good condition, 200 Euros would be acceptable for me. But if you´re patient, you may get one in good condition for far less. I got mine for 120 Euros..
For this model of binocular the sellers ask pretty high prices (around 200€). Do you think it's worth that amount? Are there big differences between this one and the BPȚ2 8x30, which can be bought pretty cheap?
Yes, these prices are justified. These binoculars are optically on a completely different level than the normal 8x30 binoculars (at least that I know).
@@BlackForestRecon because of you i started to collect binoculars ))). i bought 3 already last week. I Carl Zeiss Jenoptem 8x30, Tento 10x50 and a Helios Stellar 15x70. A few minutes ago i bought something similar with this one in the video 8x30
@@tovarasulsecretargeneral2822 Congratulations! The foundation for a great hobby! Jenoptem 8x30 is a good choice because it is basically a Deltrentis with the difference that it has a central focus. This weekend I will upload the new video with the Deltrintem that is even more similar to the Jenoptem. Tentos, like all Russian binoculars, are good too. I don´t know the Helios binos yet but I saw that they have individual focus which I always like on binos. Greetings from the Black Forest!
This model has limited production numbers (less than 2000 pieces were produced). Rather than that, in my opinion they are not worth the price. Mechanically they are slightly better built, all air to glass surfaces should be coated, but all the coatings are of course outdated in comparison to modern standards. In comparison with a standard БПП/БПЦ/Б8х30 the ocular field of view remains the same (60-62 dergees). The AFOV is close to 12 Degrees (200m/1000) this is the only difference, but you should also consider it is x6, not x8. The on-axis sharpness is the same in comparison with a good example of the БПЦ 8х30. Edge distortion is slightly better controlled with the БШЦ 6х24. Yellow tint is quite visible. Some examples tend to suffer from a rolling ball effect. However this БШЦ is quite small and handy and provide pretty sharp an contrasty images. If you really want a Soviet ultra- wide field "Holy Grail" search for an ultra -rare БПШ (BPSH) 8x30 with individual focusing. This beast has a 13 Degrees AFOV and an ocular field of 104 degrees. Giant outsized oculars - similar to Nikon WX. This binocular has much in common with a rare Zeiss Deltar 8x40 but with a wider field and almost perfectly corrected and sharp filed of view. This was produced in very small mumbers (less than 300 pieces, I guess). Even Red Army has very small and specialized supply for them. It was used as a support "control" ultra wide field binocular for an operator of the Soviet Anti Tank Missle launch system in the 60's.
Thanks for the info! The БПШ 8x30 is also described in Hans Seegers book on military binoculars. Should be extremely difficult (and expensive) to get one..
@@BlackForestRecon That's true. It's on page 212 of Dr. Seeger's "Grey Book". Very sophisticated Malafeev-Porro design. The oculars are 8 elements in 4 groups with a 2+2+2+2 scheme. The resolution is close to 10 arcseconds in the center of the field. Very sharp and contrasty with a special "level" type reticle. This is also the only soviet binocular which was fitted with winged eyecups similar to American and European military Opics of WWII. This БПШ 8x30 has the widest and most corrected field among all hand-held binoculars I've had a chance to look through... and believe me - I've had hundreds....inculding Zeiss Deltar, Nikon WX, as well as the Soviet Flak Binoculars like the TZK 10x80, and Boarder Guard Novosibirsk PNB 15x110. TZK and PNB have 90 Degrees AFOV Oculars, but have some sharpness loss and distortion at a very edge, while the БПШ is razor sharp. The БПШ 8х30 in perfect condition (which is a very-very rare thing itself - most of them were very heavily used) with an original carrying case and original "batwing" eyecups may easily reach a 3.000 euro price tag. And to tell the truth - I have the БПШ 8x30 in my collection :)
@@Paracellum здравствуйте, вы пишите что очень резкий и указываете 10 углвых секунд. Вроде вы говорили что чем меньше цифра тем более детализированная картинка? Так как всё-таки правильно?
@@volgograd3480 Павел - про какой бинокль речь? Если про БПШ 8х30, то информация о разрешении в 10 угловых секунд у данного бинокля на данный момент утратила актуальность (моему комментарию по этому биноклю уже больше года) Информация основывалась, отчасти, на данных сайта redoptic и в последующем оказалась технически неверной. Главная причина - отсутствие технической документации на данный прибор (паспортами они не комплектовались в виду мизерного тиража - около 50-100 штук и узкой специализации изделия). Опытным путем и техническими измерениями были получены другие данные - в частности размер линейного поля (13 градусов) и окулярного (со снятыми наглазниками и оправой окуляра - ~ 95 градусов. ).Разрешение в угловых секундах не измерялось лично мной, но по опыту скажу, что это бинокль с очень высокой резкостью (значительно резче всех отечественных 7-ми и 8-ми кратников). Касательно бинокля БПШ 6х24 то разночтений с его паспортными данными нет, угловое разрешение соответствует заявленному. Касательно оценки разрешения в угловых секундах - действует правило "от большего к меньшему" - т.е. сем меньше значение в угловых секундах - тем более высоким разрешением обладает прибор - и в это плане г-н Бинокулус (КУ-КУ/Дорогой Друг) увы вводит в заблуждение зрителей, утверждая обратное.
Buen binocular 6x24 komz,he tenido por lo menos 10 ejemplares como este.El problema de los binos Komz es que la mayoria de ejemplares dan tintado amarillo.
Здравствуйте, хороший бинокль! Скажите пожалуйста, а как вы относитесь к современной оптике с ед стеклами? И Руф системами? Интересно ваше мнение, заранее спасибо👍
@@volgograd3480 Да,даже средненькая современная оптика с линзами эко гласс положит старьё по всем позициям на лопатки..Ну разве что только кроме желтизны)) Технологии не остановить..Есть три разных совковых бинокля 7х50 и есть Никон Акулон 7х50..просто небо и земля..Но адепты старья всегда будут..
One of the best wide angle binoculars if export production to Great Britain, Germany...no yellow tint & no distortion, razor sharp. For USSR production yellows with distortion.
I saw that older model had larger tube (about 1 to 2 mm ) on the occular than newer one and had better light transmission . The older one made before 1972 . Good luck
Awesome Views! Very Rare Model! Not many made
great! i wished to get my hands on this model of binoculars for a long time, and now you had it and made a video for us!
many thanks!
My pleasure! Greetings!
I love your channel. After one of your videos I decided to buy soviet BI-8 (I was like a kid having his Christmas present). Thank you for the content.
Thank you for your comment. I am very happy if someone likes my videos and is tempted to buy binoculars, especially the older models. Greetings from the Black Forest!
I also have one of these binoculars. 1971 model. It has a very wide angle (above 11 degrees). Thick and heavy but I love it.
Yes, maybe a bit heavy for its size, but solidly built. I really like mine, made in 1973.
I want one of please tell me from where i it and price also
какой номер у вашего бинокля? Можете написать?
There were also attempts by the KOMZ Optical plant design bureau to introduce an ultra wide field binocular in the size of 4x16.
The БШЦ 4х16 . Several attempts were made, and a small production number was issued (about 300 samples). The prototype was designed with ultrawide oculars. The production sample was fitted with more "standard" oculars similar to the design of the БПШЦ.
Some 2 or 3 samples of various oculars designs were offered online last year with a price tag close to 2000 Euros.
The TFOV is rated as 15 degrees, making it the most ultrawide (in terms of TFOV) soviet prismatic binocular ever made. The image is rather nice, probably was designed to be used in a theatre or while watchig sport events. However it is nowhere close in terms of the ocular field to the mighthy БПШ8х30.
I would like to add also - this is a "second revision" БПШЦ-2 of this binocular, early 70's. (1973) The production was completely ceased in 1978-1979.
The orginal one - the БПШЦ was produced from the mid 60's up to 1969 with a pause. Then, a second generation was introduced.
Please also note - there's a very rare prototype version, known as a БПШ 6х24 with an individual focusing system produced be the ZOMZ (Zagorsk) factory in the early 60's. This is a special issue binocular used by Soviet Cosmonauts onboard of the Vostok-5 Space ships. (Mr, Valeriy Bykovsky in particular). Total amount of the produced items is unknown - but it should be very low (less than a 100 pcs.)
This binocular while bearing the same name is slightly different in optical path and the design, but many collectors consider it to be the prototype of pre-production piece - which was later used as a conception for the civil market БПШ 6х24 produced by KOMZ (Kazan).
Thanks again for that information! I had already noticed that the versions with older production dates are labeled БПЩ6x24 while the newer ones are labeled as БШЦ2 6x24. There are apparently even Chinese copies of the БШЦ2 6x24. The version of the БПШ 6х24 with individual focus is probably even rarer than БПШ 8x30 I´d guess. There are apparently still some interesting Russian binoculars, of which not much is known.
i must show my admiration for the quality of the comments in this video, a lot of interesting technical and historical detail. thanks both Paracellum and Blackforestrecon!
Please, some informations about the same model presented here, but marked „Basta Compact“ on the left side and
„6x24 11,5°
Vidvinkel
serial no.“ (on the right side)
@@radus2968 This is an export model which was produced by KOMZ (Kazan Optical & Mechanical Plant, USSR) specifically for the Swedish market. All the inscriptions are in Swedish. "Vidvinkel" - Wide Field of View in Swedish. The binocular was not intented to be sold elsewhere - except Sweden.
There's currenntly the same binocular on sale at e-bay - severely overprcied for such a used condition. www.ebay.com/itm/Binocular-Basta-Compact-6x24-11-5-Vidvinkel-7106941-Rare-model-/183839419938
Thank you very much, sir, for the informations!
I consider it a good binocular, but highly overpriced. I bought it with around 40€ (including the bag) in a very good state, which I guess it's the real price (give or take).
если будет возможность, попробуйте БПО 6х30. у него такие же окуляры, как у Б7х30 Секунда (гражданский аналог БПОс 7х30). Поле зрения 200м/1000м практически без искажений и потери резкости. БПО 6х30 один из самых лучших советских биноклей. На его базе потом сделали Секунду 7х30
это интересно. Я еще не знал БПО 6х30.
@@BlackForestRecon вот здесь можно посмотреть его фото: forum.guns.ru/forummessage/95/1348394.html
BlackForestRecon Спасибо за ваши обзоры! После БПО 6х30 вышел БОЦ 6х30 после 1972 года, но по сути это один и тот же бинокль! У меня он есть, действительно очень хороший!👍🏻
@@МихаилЛ-я8щ сделайте его обзор, интересно будет глянуть
i like low-power but large fov binoculars, this БШЦ2 6x24 is very typical
I´m getting into these too. There are also some interesting 8x30s with a wide field of view.
Like the Deltrentis and the Deltrintem, which are celebrating their 100th anniversary this year. I will accompany this anniversary with some wide-fov models.
@@BlackForestRecon many thanks again!
Hi guys! Very informative comments section! Thank you! What would be a fair price for these binoculars as im in a position of being able to acquire them.
You get them at ebay for about 100 to 250 Euros. If it´s in good condition, 200 Euros would be acceptable for me. But if you´re patient, you may get one in good condition for far less. I got mine for 120 Euros..
reviewed at 01/17/2022
nice green view on the opening
Здраствуете бинокль продано или есть еще
Please let me know the price and how I can order it
For this model of binocular the sellers ask pretty high prices (around 200€). Do you think it's worth that amount? Are there big differences between this one and the BPȚ2 8x30, which can be bought pretty cheap?
Yes, these prices are justified. These binoculars are optically on a completely different level than the normal 8x30 binoculars (at least that I know).
how do you keep them so shinny ?
I was lucky enough to get it in very good condition..
@@BlackForestRecon because of you i started to collect binoculars ))). i bought 3 already last week. I Carl Zeiss Jenoptem 8x30, Tento 10x50 and a Helios Stellar 15x70. A few minutes ago i bought something similar with this one in the video 8x30
@@tovarasulsecretargeneral2822 Congratulations! The foundation for a great hobby! Jenoptem 8x30 is a good choice because it is basically a Deltrentis with the difference that it has a central focus. This weekend I will upload the new video with the Deltrintem that is even more similar to the Jenoptem. Tentos, like all Russian binoculars, are good too. I don´t know the Helios binos yet but I saw that they have individual focus which I always like on binos. Greetings from the Black Forest!
@@BlackForestRecon Thank you for all the info. God bless and i”ll keep an eye on your channel. I am a fan :-)
@@tovarasulsecretargeneral2822 Thanks for your support! I´ll keep going as long as I can..
This is a small and delicate wide-angle binoculars，and I have the same binoculars.
I saw your video - in the middle of the city. Not bad!
This model has limited production numbers (less than 2000 pieces were produced). Rather than that, in my opinion they are not worth the price. Mechanically they are slightly better built, all air to glass surfaces should be coated, but all the coatings are of course outdated in comparison to modern standards. In comparison with a standard БПП/БПЦ/Б8х30 the ocular field of view remains the same (60-62 dergees). The AFOV is close to 12 Degrees (200m/1000) this is the only difference, but you should also consider it is x6, not x8. The on-axis sharpness is the same in comparison with a good example of the БПЦ 8х30. Edge distortion is slightly better controlled with the БШЦ 6х24. Yellow tint is quite visible. Some examples tend to suffer from a rolling ball effect. However this БШЦ is quite small and handy and provide pretty sharp an contrasty images.
If you really want a Soviet ultra- wide field "Holy Grail" search for an ultra -rare БПШ (BPSH) 8x30 with individual focusing.
This beast has a 13 Degrees AFOV and an ocular field of 104 degrees. Giant outsized oculars - similar to Nikon WX.
This binocular has much in common with a rare Zeiss Deltar 8x40 but with a wider field and almost perfectly corrected and sharp filed of view. This was produced in very small mumbers (less than 300 pieces, I guess). Even Red Army has very small and specialized supply for them. It was used as a support "control" ultra wide field binocular for an operator of the Soviet Anti Tank Missle launch system in the 60's.
Thanks for the info! The БПШ 8x30 is also described in Hans Seegers book on military binoculars.
Should be extremely difficult (and expensive) to get one..
@@BlackForestRecon That's true. It's on page 212 of Dr. Seeger's "Grey Book". Very sophisticated Malafeev-Porro design. The oculars are 8 elements in 4 groups with a 2+2+2+2 scheme. The resolution is close to 10 arcseconds in the center of the field. Very sharp and contrasty with a special "level" type reticle. This is also the only soviet binocular which was fitted with winged eyecups similar to American and European military Opics of WWII.
This БПШ 8x30 has the widest and most corrected field among all hand-held binoculars I've had a chance to look through... and believe me - I've had hundreds....inculding Zeiss Deltar, Nikon WX, as well as the Soviet Flak Binoculars like the TZK 10x80, and Boarder Guard Novosibirsk PNB 15x110. TZK and PNB have 90 Degrees AFOV Oculars, but have some sharpness loss and distortion at a very edge, while the БПШ is razor sharp.
The БПШ 8х30 in perfect condition (which is a very-very rare thing itself - most of them were very heavily used) with an original carrying case and original "batwing" eyecups may easily reach a 3.000 euro price tag.
And to tell the truth - I have the БПШ 8x30 in my collection :)
@@Paracellum You're really lucky! Really sounds like a great collector's item.
@@Paracellum здравствуйте, вы пишите что очень резкий и указываете 10 углвых секунд. Вроде вы говорили что чем меньше цифра тем более детализированная картинка? Так как всё-таки правильно?
@@volgograd3480 Павел - про какой бинокль речь? Если про БПШ 8х30, то информация о разрешении в 10 угловых секунд у данного бинокля на данный момент утратила актуальность (моему комментарию по этому биноклю уже больше года) Информация основывалась, отчасти, на данных сайта redoptic и в последующем оказалась технически неверной. Главная причина - отсутствие технической документации на данный прибор (паспортами они не комплектовались в виду мизерного тиража - около 50-100 штук и узкой специализации изделия). Опытным путем и техническими измерениями были получены другие данные - в частности размер линейного поля (13 градусов) и окулярного (со снятыми наглазниками и оправой окуляра - ~ 95 градусов. ).Разрешение в угловых секундах не измерялось лично мной, но по опыту скажу, что это бинокль с очень высокой резкостью (значительно резче всех отечественных 7-ми и 8-ми кратников).
Касательно бинокля БПШ 6х24 то разночтений с его паспортными данными нет, угловое разрешение соответствует заявленному.
Касательно оценки разрешения в угловых секундах - действует правило "от большего к меньшему" - т.е. сем меньше значение в угловых секундах - тем более высоким разрешением обладает прибор - и в это плане г-н Бинокулус (КУ-КУ/Дорогой Друг) увы вводит в заблуждение зрителей, утверждая обратное.
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Buen binocular 6x24 komz,he tenido por lo menos 10 ejemplares como este.El problema de los binos Komz es que la mayoria de ejemplares dan tintado amarillo.
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greetings!
Здравствуйте, хороший бинокль! Скажите пожалуйста, а как вы относитесь к современной оптике с ед стеклами? И Руф системами? Интересно ваше мнение, заранее спасибо👍
Спасибо за комментарий! Конечно, есть много очень хороших современных биноклей, но я предпочитаю старые добрые вещи. Большой привет!
примерно как сравнить х...с пальцем...
@@__kent_8792 ты уж слишком критичен к современной оптики! Она хоть и разовая но всё же.
@@volgograd3480 Да,даже средненькая современная оптика с линзами эко гласс положит старьё по всем позициям на лопатки..Ну разве что только кроме желтизны)) Технологии не остановить..Есть три разных совковых бинокля 7х50 и есть Никон Акулон 7х50..просто небо и земля..Но адепты старья всегда будут..
@@__kent_8792 на какие лапатки))) насмешил! Ну если только по количеству пластика в изделии!!!😄, Эко Хласс. Ну манагеры, ну вы и фантазëры) ) )😅
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One of the best wide angle binoculars if export production to Great Britain, Germany...no yellow tint & no distortion, razor sharp.
For USSR production yellows with distortion.
Do you know the year of manufacturing of these ones ?
1973
@@BlackForestRecon I have the same ones. 1970
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Its possible that i can buy binocular from u and i didnt got still your reply indeed u reply to every body
I saw that older model had larger tube (about 1 to 2 mm ) on the occular than newer one and had better light transmission . The older one made before 1972 .
Good luck
Хороший бинокль за 4-6т.р. 50-80$. Компактный, почти не желтит.