Nice! I've been waiting to see this lock come through. I like how you added the 6th pin and that insert you fashioned was slick. As soon as I saw those pins and core + housing I started reeling the possibilities. Lol Very nice lock and nice picking as well. Keep them coming. Rob
Thanks. This core does have good potential. I believe Abus has better cores that fit in this lock as well, but they don't seem to be very common on the locks making their way across the Atlantic.
Amazing, you can pick it in hand. I would definitely need a vice for something like that. Also the bitting on that key is cartoonish in its appearance, its beautiful. The first thing I thought of was Alcatraz thanks for another wonderful tutorial.
Thanks. I try not to pick padlocks in vices anymore, if only to add some realism to the exercise. It also adds another element of difficulty, which keeps things interesting.
Thanks -- I usually like to use other (more common) locks to give perspective, but a ruler is a good idea. Now I just need a ruler... I don't think I've seen one since elementary school. :-(
Although I'm not a locksmith by any means, I once repaired an Abus Rock similar to the one in this video. The key kept getting stuck inside the keyhole and after unlocking it, I removed the screw that holds the cone in place and discovered that the screws that hold the actuator onto the end of the core were loose. This caused the core to move slightly within the chamber and jamming the key. All I had to do to fix it was tighten the loose actuator screws, put the core back inside the lock body, test the key and finally, reinstall the screw that holds the core inside the lock and bang, the lock was fixed and no more jammed keys although the spring has begun to lose some tension due to age but the lock works much better than it used to.
What a sweet lock. So many great features .I especially like that you can repin it without removing the core. Nice bitting as well !Thanks for sharing this one with us brother.
Great video! I have one of those, but I haven't keyed it up - the shackle is huge, I have an ABUS chain that the S&G environmental lock will fit through, but no go for this monster. Thanks for picking it and disassembling it for us. Mine came with a spool, spring and a flat piece of steel for the sixth pin. This was in a small plastic bag in the box.
Thanks. After seeing your comment, I checked the box again, and found the spring, pin and top cover... I'm feeling pretty silly. Oddly enough, after I put the Abus pin in, it felt easier! Not sure if that's me getting experience on the lock or the lock actually being easier with the Abus pin in slot 6.
Glad to hear you found the driver and spring - I found it very difficult to open, even with a relatively easier bitting configuration. Congratulations on opening this very challenging kind of lock!
I love seeing ridiculous locks. Great pinning job, and great picking. On the I think it's the 80/45s They come with a insert,spring and I believe a top pin for 6 pin keys. Looking at the core next to the lock was hysterical to me. Cool vid, you "Rock", yes pun intended!
Thanks. I just looked in the box and found the spring, pin and top cover... I'm feeling pretty silly. Oddly enough, after I put the Abus pin in, it felt easier! Not sure if that's me getting experience on the lock or the lock actually being easier with the Abus pin in slot 6.
+LockPickingLawyer I think it doesn't matter what he pinning is. You make picking look like childs play. When do we see you not pick one, or give up "for now" vid? At least at that point I could believe you are human.
LOST FOUND LOL... my "naughty bucket" has several dozen locks in it. Some known nasty ones (MT5+, Ingersoll, BiLock, Medeco, etc.), but also some that should be pretty easy, yet are foiling me.
And this is how I spent the last 4 hours of my life.... So interestingly enough, I have a ABUS 83AL/45 that is zero bitted. That to say I hadn't messed with it yet as I don't have followers and such. So, sitting here bored I take the core out of it on a whim and low and behold it is the exact same core you have there. Yay for me! Having a bit of a cocky moment, I decided to go ahead and attempt to change the bitting as I do have some pins, just no followers or tweezers. So I drop all the pins but 1 and 2 and decide to put it back just to go slow and make sure I wasn't biting off more then I could chew. Any ideas on what I neglected to do? I neglected to remove the driver pins on the 3 through 5 (6 came empty). And I am sure you can figure out the rest. That was the longest and easily the most difficult pick of my short career here.... Just thought you might want a laugh at my idiocy lol
Nope, I sure didn't. I ended up using a tension wrench from the rear of the core and coming in from the top to push pins 3-5 in place and picking 1&2 from the front. It took me a bit to work it out but I sure have learned hands on more how these things function. Excellent learning experience and a funny idiot moment in one lol As an aside, sometime when it fits into a video your filming, could you show how flipping that little Z shaped brass piece on the back of the core works? I've flipped it every which way and it either locks up the core or is still non retaining. Thanks again!
I realize this video is several years old now but I want to add that if you buy these locks 0 bidded, you should get an extra spool pin, spring, and brass plate to slide into that channel above the 6th pin
0:37 that master lock on the right! Thats the exact one I bought when I was about 16 in 1999 just for fun, just because i thought it was a cool looking lock, and its fun to just lock and unlock it
Got the 83/55 ( three of them) I just love those Rocks 😍😍😍👍 I don't think you would want to spend too long picking that in hand ( your wrist would break after a short amount of time)😂😂😂 Thanks for sharing ( although I fear you have now cost me some money,I want one now)👍👍👍🍻😂😂😂😂
This lock wasn't even the heaviest I've picked recently... that Kasp 19070X was a beast. Though the worst lock to pick in your hand I've even encountered is the Rotalok. Not only is it heavy, but it's oddly shaped and you need to hold the lock from rotating -- it's a serious PITA (particularly when you are trying to pick something nasty in it, like a Kaba 20!).
I liked the 909090 cut of the key. I am tired of hearing/reading people saying the MACS for Schlage is like seven! I had an Ilco Mighty-Mite, one of the worst key machines ever, and I could make 909090 keys on it! I am not saying it was easy, but I got a ninety percent yield cutting them, and that ain’t bad! [Using the original RF23 cutting wheel.] The rule is: Learn the machine’s characteristics, then use them to full advantage! Actually, I use this principle everywhere!
Thanks. On the titalium, make sure to keep tension pretty taut at the apex of counter rotation. That helps avoid dropping pins when you set spools, which is the trick to opening those locks. Good luck!
I really like your videos! Please add some description to every video you make however because when on phone it appears to be the only way to know the date of the the video. Thanks and keep up the good work.
The Rock! Heck its more like Gibraltar. For such a huge lock it was a "blast through", in terms of picking. Those drill resistant pins look awfully wide apart? I would like to see some carbide drills talking a crack at other pins such as those used on Medeco mortise cylinders.....any chance Lockmeister???? Thanks for the video.
I suppose it's possible to thread the needle on those hardened inserts, but it would not be easy at all. Understand that most locksmiths will use a 1/4" minimum sized drill bit to take out a shear line to give themselves some "wiggle room." Clearly, that would not fit. You would have to use a barely big enough bit and drill PERFECTLY straight into a moving padlock. Not easy at all. As for me drilling locks (particularly ones with anti drill pins)... sorry, not my cup of tea.
I recently saw an Asus Rock in use by New Zealand Police with an unusual cylinder, looked like an U-shape key is required for it. What do we know about this kind of keys?
Hmm... 10 minutes ago, I would have said that I was sure... I would not have said it unless I read it somewhere authoritative. But I can't find anything now, and all indications are that it's CEN5 (with the 83CS/80 being CEN6). Thanks for pointing out my error. I'll change the video title.
Great vid, I have one of those but as I've only been picking for 3 months it's staying in the draw for a while, I'll be glad to let you know when I've picked it, but you may be considerable older
Thanks. Don't wait too long to pull your lock out. It's just spools. Granted, pretty good tolerances so you will need to be careful not to drop pins when allowing counter rotation, but still just spools.
HI LPL?, awesome picking .. nice extremely bitting on key.. and i don't like rounded end of driver pins , its signnifically put down picking and key security, reason for that is bigger tolerance for keys cutted too low (bad duplication) i think.
do you have a different length security pin kit so you can make even stacks? that makes over setting a pin easy to do & toughen it up European style. I have different size serrated, assa & spool pins to make it bad ass if you need them. maybe the offset ASSA pins would be a good idea. I would try them all see what the best match is for those keypin sizes. let me know. I can send some out if you need em.
I do have several different size spool and serrated pins... not worth the trouble given the bitting I selected. And I'd rather keep the Abus factory pins.
How does zero bitting work? Do they expect you take the blanks and go to a lock smith and get them to cut the key on your request? And what about pins? I don't suppose they include extra pins that will work with any combination you choose.
A zero bitted lock comes keyed off of a key blank (with a bunch of really short key pins). What is expected is that someone will take it to a locksmith and have it keyed to their home key, or something like that. They do not come with extra pins, though it would be nice. I've only see one zero-bitted lock that came with a variety of key pins to allow the consumer to key their own lock. It was from Brinks, but I don't remember the model.
Can the lock core in the ABUS 83/30 be changed out for something more secure like ABUS-Plus disk cylinder in the GRANIT 37/80? I'm trying to replace two differently keyed Kyptonite New York Disc Locks with something more secure but similarly keyed. As far as I can tell the 83/80 is one of the few that can take 2 links of 14mm chain inside the shackle. I'd rather just get the GRANIT 37/80 but it is obviously not big enough. Any recommendations?
Those access features of the core intself are absolutely amazing. REALLY impressed by that. Pleas be sure to let us know what you finally get carpel tunnel, by the way. :P
The core really did have some nice features, in addition to pretty impressive precision. I somewhat regret that the video doesn't show my first couple times picking this lock. Setting spools was a game of whack a mole... set one pin, drop two others! LOL at the carpel tunnel... but I'm more likely to get it from all of the typing I do at work (and replying to comments on this channel). :-P
hi you pick locks like .like a Lawyer asuming we know what type pick your useing . need to watch BosniBill videos he detail on picks he uses. and and what it takes to take it apart allen wrench or screw Dover
Maybe you took me wrong some times your really fast.and maybe i not paying attention but we would like to know what tools your useing or picks.not on all videos just some.keep up the good work.
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I think there must've been an American at Abus who said "make it big and shiny and they will come"...and it worked!!!😍😍😍...now I want it! 😉✌
LOL... it's like a fishing lure for locksporters!
Don'z Lockz , For sure!
Nice! I've been waiting to see this lock come through.
I like how you added the 6th pin and that insert you fashioned was slick.
As soon as I saw those pins and core + housing I started reeling the possibilities. Lol
Very nice lock and nice picking as well.
Keep them coming.
Rob
Thanks. This core does have good potential. I believe Abus has better cores that fit in this lock as well, but they don't seem to be very common on the locks making their way across the Atlantic.
Amazing, you can pick it in hand. I would definitely need a vice for something like that. Also the bitting on that key is cartoonish in its appearance, its beautiful. The first thing I thought of was Alcatraz thanks for another wonderful tutorial.
Thanks. I try not to pick padlocks in vices anymore, if only to add some realism to the exercise. It also adds another element of difficulty, which keeps things interesting.
This is super helpful! Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise with us!
Great video! Might be a good idea to put a ruler next time though, until I saw your hands it was really hard to see how big this lock really was 😀
Thanks -- I usually like to use other (more common) locks to give perspective, but a ruler is a good idea. Now I just need a ruler... I don't think I've seen one since elementary school. :-(
Although I'm not a locksmith by any means, I once repaired an Abus Rock similar to the one in this video.
The key kept getting stuck inside the keyhole and after unlocking it, I removed the screw that holds the cone in place and discovered that the screws that hold the actuator onto the end of the core were loose. This caused the core to move slightly within the chamber and jamming the key. All I had to do to fix it was tighten the loose actuator screws, put the core back inside the lock body, test the key and finally, reinstall the screw that holds the core inside the lock and bang, the lock was fixed and no more jammed keys although the spring has begun to lose some tension due to age but the lock works much better than it used to.
What a sweet lock. So many great features .I especially like that you can repin it without removing the core. Nice bitting as well !Thanks for sharing this one with us brother.
Great video! I have one of those, but I haven't keyed it up - the shackle is huge, I have an ABUS chain that the S&G environmental lock will fit through, but no go for this monster. Thanks for picking it and disassembling it for us. Mine came with a spool, spring and a flat piece of steel for the sixth pin. This was in a small plastic bag in the box.
Thanks. After seeing your comment, I checked the box again, and found the spring, pin and top cover... I'm feeling pretty silly. Oddly enough, after I put the Abus pin in, it felt easier! Not sure if that's me getting experience on the lock or the lock actually being easier with the Abus pin in slot 6.
Glad to hear you found the driver and spring - I found it very difficult to open, even with a relatively easier bitting configuration. Congratulations on opening this very challenging kind of lock!
Great video, thank you for explaining the Z bar, I learned something new
Thanks.
I love seeing ridiculous locks. Great pinning job, and great picking. On the I think it's the 80/45s They come with a insert,spring and I believe a top pin for 6 pin keys. Looking at the core next to the lock was hysterical to me. Cool vid, you "Rock", yes pun intended!
Thanks. I just looked in the box and found the spring, pin and top cover... I'm feeling pretty silly. Oddly enough, after I put the Abus pin in, it felt easier! Not sure if that's me getting experience on the lock or the lock actually being easier with the Abus pin in slot 6.
+LockPickingLawyer I think it doesn't matter what he pinning is. You make picking look like childs play. When do we see you not pick one, or give up "for now" vid? At least at that point I could believe you are human.
LOST FOUND LOL... my "naughty bucket" has several dozen locks in it. Some known nasty ones (MT5+, Ingersoll, BiLock, Medeco, etc.), but also some that should be pretty easy, yet are foiling me.
That's awesome! I wish all ABUS cores were like that! Yet again, another great one LPL, thanks!
Thanks... these cores are very nice.
And this is how I spent the last 4 hours of my life....
So interestingly enough, I have a ABUS 83AL/45 that is zero bitted. That to say I hadn't messed with it yet as I don't have followers and such. So, sitting here bored I take the core out of it on a whim and low and behold it is the exact same core you have there. Yay for me! Having a bit of a cocky moment, I decided to go ahead and attempt to change the bitting as I do have some pins, just no followers or tweezers. So I drop all the pins but 1 and 2 and decide to put it back just to go slow and make sure I wasn't biting off more then I could chew. Any ideas on what I neglected to do? I neglected to remove the driver pins on the 3 through 5 (6 came empty). And I am sure you can figure out the rest. That was the longest and easily the most difficult pick of my short career here....
Just thought you might want a laugh at my idiocy lol
Feral Woodcraft Oh no! Hope you had a really deep hook to fix it!
Nope, I sure didn't. I ended up using a tension wrench from the rear of the core and coming in from the top to push pins 3-5 in place and picking 1&2 from the front. It took me a bit to work it out but I sure have learned hands on more how these things function. Excellent learning experience and a funny idiot moment in one lol
As an aside, sometime when it fits into a video your filming, could you show how flipping that little Z shaped brass piece on the back of the core works? I've flipped it every which way and it either locks up the core or is still non retaining. Thanks again!
+Feral Woodcraft glad you got it. As for the z bar, see about 4 min in on this video.
I realize this video is several years old now but I want to add that if you buy these locks 0 bidded, you should get an extra spool pin, spring, and brass plate to slide into that channel above the 6th pin
I was taking a sip of coffee when you showed that key bitting.
Spent the next five minutes wiping the coffee spit off of my keyboard! Too funny!
0:37 that master lock on the right! Thats the exact one I bought when I was about 16 in 1999 just for fun, just because i thought it was a cool looking lock, and its fun to just lock and unlock it
I bought one of these just because it looked awesome. Thanks for the breakdown of the lock on your video.
Got the 83/55 ( three of them) I just love those Rocks 😍😍😍👍
I don't think you would want to spend too long picking that in hand ( your wrist would break after a short amount of time)😂😂😂
Thanks for sharing ( although I fear you have now cost me some money,I want one now)👍👍👍🍻😂😂😂😂
This lock wasn't even the heaviest I've picked recently... that Kasp 19070X was a beast. Though the worst lock to pick in your hand I've even encountered is the Rotalok. Not only is it heavy, but it's oddly shaped and you need to hold the lock from rotating -- it's a serious PITA (particularly when you are trying to pick something nasty in it, like a Kaba 20!).
That lock's a beast. Lots of nice features on it though. Thanks for another awesome video.
Thank you.
that rock is a monster! almost dwarfs your hand. great looking lock and nice picking.
Yup, she's a beast! Thanks.
Just beautiful lock!
Appreciate the exploration of it :)
Thanks -- I love playing with these big locks!
I liked the 909090 cut of the key. I am tired of hearing/reading people saying the MACS for Schlage is like seven!
I had an Ilco Mighty-Mite, one of the worst key machines ever, and I could make 909090 keys on it! I am not saying it was easy, but I got a ninety percent yield cutting them, and that ain’t bad! [Using the original RF23 cutting wheel.]
The rule is: Learn the machine’s characteristics, then use them to full advantage! Actually, I use this principle everywhere!
I believe that I'd pick the lock and leave the stuff. That's a gorgeous lock!
Nice, yet another Padlock to add to my wish list.
Thanks... I'm getting hooked on these big locks.
Great looking lock, and very nice lock picking video. Two thumbs up to you.
Thanks
An impressive looking lock. I really like that quick re-pinning feature. Picking was frighteningly clean. Glad you qualified it. :)
Thanks. It's a fun lock to pick, and the core is impressive with all of it's features.
One for the shopping list, certainly.
Thanks your vids and comments are inspirational 🔐
Thanks. I was inspired to start picking, and to expand my skills by other youtubers, so I'm glad I can do some of the same.
you can also use the Z bar upside down to change the shackle
Interesting... I'll have to experiment.
Nice job, nice looking look. I've been at my titalium for about 3hrs, no luck yet.
Thanks. On the titalium, make sure to keep tension pretty taut at the apex of counter rotation. That helps avoid dropping pins when you set spools, which is the trick to opening those locks. Good luck!
Any luck yet?
I really like your videos! Please add some description to every video you make however because when on phone it appears to be the only way to know the date of the the video. Thanks and keep up the good work.
1 min 6 secs, damn that was quick!
Beast! beautiful beast... nice pick and great biting
Thanks.
Thanks for all the helpful videos. If you were to put a lock on a u-haul truck or public storage unit, which brand/model would you choose?
fascinating design on the abus rock 83/80
Very nice picking and yes, it's a monster ;-)
Thanks.
The Rock! Heck its more like Gibraltar. For such a huge lock it was a "blast through", in terms of picking. Those drill resistant pins look awfully wide apart? I would like to see some carbide drills talking a crack at other pins such as those used on Medeco mortise cylinders.....any chance Lockmeister????
Thanks for the video.
I suppose it's possible to thread the needle on those hardened inserts, but it would not be easy at all. Understand that most locksmiths will use a 1/4" minimum sized drill bit to take out a shear line to give themselves some "wiggle room." Clearly, that would not fit. You would have to use a barely big enough bit and drill PERFECTLY straight into a moving padlock. Not easy at all. As for me drilling locks (particularly ones with anti drill pins)... sorry, not my cup of tea.
I recently saw an Asus Rock in use by New Zealand Police with an unusual cylinder, looked like an U-shape key is required for it. What do we know about this kind of keys?
What is significant about that keying? It looks like it should be easier because there are only 2 depths.
Does Abus say it is CEN 6?
From my understanding CEN 6 requires protected shoulders.
Hmm... 10 minutes ago, I would have said that I was sure... I would not have said it unless I read it somewhere authoritative. But I can't find anything now, and all indications are that it's CEN5 (with the 83CS/80 being CEN6). Thanks for pointing out my error. I'll change the video title.
I looked at Abloys padlock range and drew my conclusion from that, as they have the entire range.
Great vid, I have one of those but as I've only been picking for 3 months it's staying in the draw for a while, I'll be glad to let you know when I've picked it, but you may be considerable older
Thanks. Don't wait too long to pull your lock out. It's just spools. Granted, pretty good tolerances so you will need to be careful not to drop pins when allowing counter rotation, but still just spools.
But what does it matter how strong this padlock is, if it can be picked in under a minute?
great one as always!
+Jeff Moss Thanks, Jeff.
HI LPL?, awesome picking ..
nice extremely bitting on key..
and i don't like rounded end of driver pins , its signnifically put down picking and key security,
reason for that is bigger tolerance for keys cutted too low (bad duplication) i think.
Thanks. And I agree. Frankly, I think that my LAB pin was better made than the Abus factory pins.
That's a great lock!
do you have a different length security pin kit so you can make even stacks? that makes over setting a pin easy to do & toughen it up European style. I have different size serrated, assa & spool pins to make it bad ass if you need them. maybe the offset ASSA pins would be a good idea. I would try them all see what the best match is for those keypin sizes. let me know. I can send some out if you need em.
I do have several different size spool and serrated pins... not worth the trouble given the bitting I selected. And I'd rather keep the Abus factory pins.
How does zero bitting work? Do they expect you take the blanks and go to a lock smith and get them to cut the key on your request?
And what about pins? I don't suppose they include extra pins that will work with any combination you choose.
A zero bitted lock comes keyed off of a key blank (with a bunch of really short key pins). What is expected is that someone will take it to a locksmith and have it keyed to their home key, or something like that. They do not come with extra pins, though it would be nice. I've only see one zero-bitted lock that came with a variety of key pins to allow the consumer to key their own lock. It was from Brinks, but I don't remember the model.
Interesting. Thanks for clearing that out.
Can the lock core in the ABUS 83/30 be changed out for something more secure like ABUS-Plus disk cylinder in the GRANIT 37/80? I'm trying to replace two differently keyed Kyptonite New York Disc Locks with something more secure but similarly keyed.
As far as I can tell the 83/80 is one of the few that can take 2 links of 14mm chain inside the shackle. I'd rather just get the GRANIT 37/80 but it is obviously not big enough.
Any recommendations?
Why not make the entire cylinder out of hardened steel? Instead of just a couple small pins?
Is the lock body chrome or nickle plated?
Sorry for all the questions =)
Definitely chrome.
How much more pick resistant would the lock be with the 888 core?
I _need_ that lock because reasons!
How much more difficult would this lock be with a pfaffenhain in it?
Not much, if it is anything like the Pfaffenhain in video 251.
OK, so a pfaffenhain isn't much tougher to pick than a normal 83/80 core.
How are you supposed to pick it if you can’t see it?
LockPickingLawyer Where can you buy the cores for these abus locks.
I've seen them on major lock supply websites, like CLK and Mr. Lock.
Smuckers T try also Lockitt in NC.
Those access features of the core intself are absolutely amazing. REALLY impressed by that. Pleas be sure to let us know what you finally get carpel tunnel, by the way. :P
The core really did have some nice features, in addition to pretty impressive precision. I somewhat regret that the video doesn't show my first couple times picking this lock. Setting spools was a game of whack a mole... set one pin, drop two others! LOL at the carpel tunnel... but I'm more likely to get it from all of the typing I do at work (and replying to comments on this channel). :-P
where can I buy similar lock? I live in Europe and havent seen one?
I regularly see them on ebay, and they can be bought on Amazon (usually at better priced than ebay!).
What does a driver pin do?
I am looking for a lock with a one inch harden shakel how can I get one?
I saw 6 pins. You said it had 5 pins
If you get that detent in the bible will u be screwed?
Pretty much. You would probably need to drill a tiny hole in the top of the bible and push it out with a piece of music wire.
LockPickingLawyer Ok, Thanks!
hi you pick locks like .like a Lawyer asuming we know what type pick your useing . need to watch BosniBill videos he detail on picks he uses. and and what it takes to take it apart allen wrench or screw Dover
Ummm.... I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but thanks for watching.
Maybe you took me wrong some times your really fast.and maybe i not paying attention but we would like to know what tools your useing or picks.not on all videos just some.keep up the good work.
+Larry Marrs Thanks, but I do say what tools I'm using in almost every one of my videos, including this one.
this won't even come close to the unpickable snail core...no pins!!!
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