I Bought A King Song S22! - And A Message To King Song
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
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A detail i like, the handle provides a place for your helmet when walking the euc.
I have about 5000 miles on mine as well. I echo the comment not having a problem rolling it backwards in stores. Rolling it forward is a nightmare. I also agree with the author of the video that the fun of this wheel is off the scale. I test wheels. I’ve had the S 22 or better said the S 20 for well over a year. I absolutely love it.
just range could be better :)
Very nice. I snagged up the Cnc sliders from eevee's, nice movement now. Question, How can you program the Taillight to always on mode? App setting?. Thanks for the help and great honest review.
I would give the wheel a C or C+ with stock stuff. Rather than the K262 which I have 5000+ miles on, go for the Shinko 244, it's way better, I can't go back to the Kenda. The S22 is super agile nimble and controllable, especially if you also get the E-Rides pedals, in stock position the lip in front and back of the pedals helps with leverage. S22 is now an A for me, A+ if they ever boost the torque via firmware. And split riding modes like InMotion, so I can make the braking softer
I push the wheel backwards and used it like a shopping cart. With wheels that have the handle in the middle you can't stack everything on it while you push it
Good vid. 👍
The handle is what I hated most on my MSP, never again.
Yes, the potential to be the best wheel out there, but potential does not cut it. T4 looking better to me.
Cheers
Lmfao, that intro was hilarious man. Nicely made vid.
You'll get used to the trolley handle when you push it backwards. In that configuration it's the same as begodes rear handle. When you get used to it you'll notice it's more nimble than a centered handle.
Nice video, I would add my two cents. Trolley handle - I found one positive on this, its super easy and safe to carry S22 switched off (in subway) on handed. Pushing it in front of me like a garden cart and always ready to be placed on kickstand. Very usefull when my second hand is used to carry helmet.
Thanks for watching! I always put my helmet through the handle to free up a hand.
Good point, I used same on 16S with bike helmet. Unfortunately its no longer possible on S22 with my actual full face helmet and backward leading.
Man, a very good looking wheel..probably my #1 in the looks department. Want to buy one but…man, I’m checking and I see issues (most wheels have )
I had to remove the v to use ks pads and position the top pad where the back bump is up against the back of my leg when I am standing straight...
I swapped out the 340 kg spring to 115 kg ....
Grizzla pads help for braking!
I think the best looking wheel to my eyeball is the S18, never rode a EUC but I'm researching the hell out of them for some reason. Maybe getting the T4 but I don't know. Thumbs up on the video!
I own a S18, RS19, Mten4 & V8s, and by far my favorite is the S18, it may only go 30 mph, sure lacks some performance (my avg speed 24mph) not 43.5-50mph, but for the money it’s the best EUC on the market. Extremely reliable & incredible suspension, all while looking good 🔥
If i were you i would go for V12 HT. Best starter wheel ever. Amazing torque. Light weight. Enough speed. Compact. Don’t even think just buy it.
@@nocturnal5123 no suspension tho
I agree with basically everything you said!
This was incredibly informative, I really wished I had seen this review before forking out 3k for this wheel. I got the KS S22 Eagle. Do the problems mentioned in your review persist in the current KS S22. I just got my wheel in February, and so far nothing but, damn this video has got me concerned
Mine has not been reliable so far but eevees has a very good warranty. I’ll be putting out a long term review later on. It’s a super fun wheel when it works though.
It is smexy & likey the only thing I can say about it. I'm disappointed with everything else. Just put in a pre order for the latest batch T4. Saved a bunch & likely will enjoy it alot more. Thanks for the vid
I Know I was so pissed about the trolley handle when the s22 was first announced!!
I disagree sort of about it being badly placed in the rear, on the msx I could sit on it while using the trolley as a guide or I could put a grocery basket on it while also grabbing the handle and yeah it was awesome! That said it being in the center is without a doubt the best placement for easy of use. Rear being right after that and front bring the absolute worst.
The trolley handle is the least problem with this wheel.... Ah motor, slides, spring...way more problematic...
Thanks for the video
Looking at buying the 100kph one wheel. How many others have used his link and how's your unicycle treating you today
The bottom pad looks like a high heel shoe.
The front and tail look great.
I don’t see how that suspension will survive any impact in a crash. That canister hanging off the back.
Yah I don’t like the pads much. Time till tell how everything holds up!
V11 has a really nice seat actually lol.
Unfortunately the idea, that KS will do a motor recall is NEVER…..NEVER EVER going to happen. They will replace FAILED motors on warranty, and even for those the transport costs are on you or the re-seller. Also the worktime that needs to be invested for a motorchnage goes on the re-seller. Motors starting from July on should be fine, i heard a date of 22nd June, where the motor problem should be history. Should…..as only time will tell.
As a S22 owner myself i cant understand the braking problems….i have none of them and would say its same ligue as other 18/19/20 inch wheels. Sliders: When you want to make the suspension perfect go for a 4 or 6 bearing wheel CNC aluminum slider. Some are allready on the market and are priced like „good pedal“ or „3d printed clarkpad things“, so FOR ME no question.
KS, which in generell had a very good quality reputation….with 16x and 18xl the less failing models in their class, has lost nearly all of it with this release desaster.
And i am saying that as one who always prefered KS over other brands…..but now THAT ALL nearly changed my mind.
I was also one if those that canceled my deposit for this wheel. I felt kinda scammed . I probably won't ever do that again, I really need to see some reliable proven wheels come out before I put my money up again. With all I learned about this wheel from feedback, & reviews, I have lost interest it's a great looking g wheel, but that's it. Not a fan of too many moving wear, & tear parts. As much as I would like a higher voltage suspension wheel, I am waiting on what the jury says about the Sherman S before I make a decision.
they realy should make better display, because now its not even display but bunch of leds
Nice review!
Would like to hear your thoughts on the range
@@BestFavorite I can do a range test.
Are you sure it's calibrated, since when using the trolley handle backwards, it appeared to rotate sideways, like it wasn't calibrate, I haven't had any issues wheeling it, with zero effort when backwards.
Yes, it’s calibrated. I was exaggerating my movements to show the imbalance while pushing. I’ve owned 8 EUCs and this one is by far the most unbalanced trolley.
@@landocycle sure... Fair enough if you were exaggerating 😊... What tire pressure are you running? It's always a trade off, however I found the tire runs smoothest at slightly lower pressures, than you might run by default.. Mine is set for trails, so even lower than most would run.
@@brwilkinson1977 I’ve got it set at around 30psi which is working well for me. I might try lowering it a bit just to see if there’s any improvement. I’m gonna try to get the Kenda 262 on there.
@@landocycle I put the Perelli Street angel on the s22 ... great tire. I found holding the trolley handle underhanded and rolling backwards to be the best. It doesn't slide down as much and your using your bicep vs. forearm muscles. eWheel sent me a new motor and it seems to be working well at ~1k miles.
So I'm entirely new to euc's and I've been shopping for a first euc. It doesn't seem like there's really a cheap one so I was looking at the s22 as a buy once cry once kind of thing. Is it feasible as a first euc or is it too much to handle?
Try to find a used V8F or V10F. Put 500-1000km on it, then buy something fast. EUCs require a certain amount of wisdom, which are lessons best learned at a slower pace if that makes sense.
@@landocycle I understand what you're saying completely. I'll look for a used model that you mentioned. I don't really want something fast to start, because I expect I'll fall a lot in the beginning. I have a lot of years on dirtbikes and motorcycles but an EUC looks like a completely different animal with an entirely different set of rules 👍
@@countzero5150 I came from motorcycles too. It helps but they’re still very different. You have less traction, and things can get very squirrelly, very fast. Building up muscle memory slow Is key to going fast safely.
Not sure if anyone else pointed this out, but the acceleration/braking pads on your s22 are installed the wrong way, using the braking pad for acceleration and the acceleration pad for braking.
Yes, people have pointed it out but thank you. I tried it both ways and preferred them in that orientation.
Whatever you do, don't try to return it.
Rev Rides wouldn't take it back even though there are zero miles on it.
I was so stoked and then basically as soon as I got it I started hearing motor issues so I waited...and there was a recall.
They'll fix the motor but they 100% will not refund your money even though I don't trust any of the battery, motor, or slider fixes they've implemented.
Best EUC on paper
One of the most cursed product launches
And RR knows that if they take one back, EVERYONE is going to bring them back.
I was so excited to finally get a preorder on something with the ground clearance and wheel travel to make a go at our jungles (Oregon, USA) and now I fear even getting on the thing. I will likely get the recall motor replacement done and try to sell it, if anyone will buy it, regardless of whether it's basically NIB.
In my mind I'm full sending but as soon as I put a foot on it my body freezes and refuses to launch.
I have three other wheels, but they can't go where this one was supposed to have taken me.
I have never been so stoked and so disappointed in my life, especially after dropping over 3k USD on this thing.
Honestly, I have this feeling that there is going to be big issues with EUC imports soon - how many gigantic battery packs have to catch fire and how many people have to endure poor quality/design that puts them on a 50MPH+ cutout faceplant, for starters? I am amazed that the whole EUC market hasn't been flagged by the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out about massive graft and bribes to get them here in the first place.
My pretty educated guess is that there were so many issues with the S20 that they had to change the name just to be able to redo the paperwork to import it at all. Technically, on paper, it's a different model, and they can distance from the issues...but if you don't fix the ORIGINAL PRODUCTION ISSUES you are going to get MORE PROBLEMS.
On an EUC you only get ONE SHOT. If your ride fails, there is no recourse and you can't coast it to a stop or wrestle it to safety, you just go SPLAT and it happens so fast you won't know what happened until you wake up later.
I don't know how much longer they're gonna get a pass and keep shipping to the US but when that line gets pinched off, so does your lifeline for PARTS and WARRANTY, and it's gonna get pinched off if they don't start doing MUCH better QC before the units leave the factory. Flawed designs need to be taken off the market, period, just like a car or motorcycle that can't be fixed (which is also why I wonder how the One Wheel is still legal, not that I'm advocating for it, just surprised that it can still be sold as-designed).
I push my k22 backwards it works way better
Nice you got it with eevee's warranty since they plan to replace all motors.
Make sure to stop riding immediately if you hear any suspicious noise (clicking, rubbing scraping) coming from the motor tho.
There are examples on my channel, including 2 stress tests.
You betcha
your upper stock pads were on the wrong sides lol. i actually dont mind the stock pads on my s22 so seing them on backwards stoof out so badly to me
Good catch! I guess I should have mentioned that.
Yea that might be why you think the stock pads suck so bad. I dont mind them on mine.
@@slydogracing I tried them both ways, but this felt the best. I think the issue is the hardness of them; and the limitations of how they can be placed with the plastic pad guides.
@@landocycle i think the stock pads are just one of those things where they either happen to work for you if you are lucky, or they just do not work well for you at all. i can say that when trying to sustain high speeds in windy and high traffic conditions, i do wish i had a bit more pad to lean into, so i didn't need to like pinch my knees together as i pushed forward as much, so i may look for an upper pad replacement or modification in the future
I do want the "ultimate playful wheel". Have you heard how the S22 Pro will compare to your model?
I think eevees has one I’ll go check out soon. Far as I know it’ll be a different board and maybe slightly different sliders from my new CNC ones. I already got the new motor put in.
@@landocycle Lando. You sir are a legend! If you think the pro sorts out the 22's problems I order one.
S22 or Shermax as a second wheel? My first wheel is a v10f. Theyre about the same price where I live.
The Sherman seems to be a much more reliable wheel, with better range but limited in terms of terrain. The S 22 is amazing and can go pretty much anywhere, but less range and so far lots of problems. I’d get the Sherman.
for streets, sherman, for pavements, trails - s22
Sad...didn't get the gold version
Like you said, once you take off the fancy pads it looks like a box. S22 is far from the sexiest.
IMO the S18 is perhaps the sexiest with its exposed shocks and suspension arm.
I think your comments about the motor issues are about the KS20 not the KS22, the KS22 basically was put out to correct the KS20 issues.
Comment?
Is you KS22 for sale?
Unfortunately, that’s not true. They just changed the name because of bad luck, it’s a Chinese thing - still the same wheel. They did send out updated motors to everyone, I just got mine installed!
S22 Pro has some new changes, but I haven’t rode it yet and I don’t suspect it to be much different.
@@landocycle correct sliders making life better
Is there a list of issues with the s22 somewhere?
If you have Facebook join the S22 owners group.
Kingsong is giving new motors but only to certain dated motors which sucks because June and July motors are having the same issue and they said those should be fine **lies**
King Song is not even giving new motors, they send replacements only for the ones that already failed (aside from some exceptions)
Motos from end of June and July should have the pins to prevent stator slippage, avoiding the issue. I said should because 4 have been found missing them.
@@supercurioTube hey all company's are sending replacement motors to anyone who bought a s22 all the way to July :) you're welcome
@@skiddysm it's not the case.
Some US dealers announced that they will, some didn't. Only one so far in Europe that I know of.
Braking is easy on this wheel once you learn it same with the trolley handle. Lol
I totally disagree with you on the trolly handle. The S22 is back heavy, because of the heavy suspension. So the wheel will always want to ride backwards. Solution is to hold the trolley with the fingers under the handle and thumb above. It is best to keep the S22 center of gravity close to your body for better control. The S22 will aways ride into your hand, towards you. If trolleying like an MSP the S22 rides away from you, so less control. The MSP trolley is horrendous, compared to the S22.
I use the stock upper pads and I use jump blocks.
I put foam blocks on the sides of the suspension arm to protect the oil reservoir.
I love the stock knobby tire. It really grabs and is fantastic for off road.
I put some dry lub on the sliders.
Balanced wheel is horrendous compared to the unbalanced. Lol
Not a single word is the manual about charging, or how long it takes, or anything. The manual literally talks about worthless crap like "don't ride it over sticks or sand, and don't ride on roads." Lol. WAT?
"People say it blinds people but that's not a problem where I live"
Oh god, he's one of those jerks who never turns off their high beams.
Why don't you like the Shinko 244?
Never rode it, but I heard good things about it.
@@landocycle I mean isn't that the tire that's on your S22?
@@stevesmith3033 no that’s the factory A1J tire. It’s fine on the straight but I’m not happy with its cornering performance.
@@landocycle Oh, it looks so much like the Shinko. What's the brand?
@@stevesmith3033 Julier
Vetrin? LOL
sell it for a profit.
It is not gonna faceplant you unless you do something dumb, but you absolutely need new slides!!! 🤬 Kingsong better be making new slides... I have to say DO NOT BUY WHEEL!!! The lights is the best part (the only part) of it... There is a screw you tighten to keep in place...
If they don't replace motor and it fails I will SUE THEM...
This wheel would’ve been known as the prober off-road wheel if the Motherboard was properly calibrated for 126v, motor was fixed, and a different slider that doesn’t start clunking after 1 ride at the bike park. There’s no reason for anyone to buy this wheel unless they are willing to fix it or are they off road riders.