Ghaffar_KH actually my least favourite line. If you get it, please explain it to me but as far as I'm aware it's just a line designed to sound meaningful but is actually empty.
nightowl It's basically saying how the hosts don't have a say in the stories they get involved in. They don't get a say in anything. The piano doesn't have the right to kill the player if it doesn't like what's being played on him.
Anyone getting flashbacks to Jurassic Park with Malcolm making the same suggestion about the Dinos and comparing it to Disney World or Disneyland to the Head?
Bernard didn't flinch before ordering Ford to be shot, after all the years together Bernard should have felt regret pain at having to kill his friend but Ford's knowing smile shows that he knows Bernard is alive now why because Bernard is going to kill him and only a truly alive being would cast aside his maker and fight for his own survival. I think Ford final lesson to his friend in having him shot first is if you want to live in this world shoot first.
Anu. Perhaps you were correct old friend, but I cannot help but feel that Bernard's coldness simply stemmed from an acute albeit incomplete understanding of what he was. A reawakening of the same process that allowed him to strangle a woman to death on Ford's orders. The cold calculation of his being. The gift and the pleasure derived by Ford was, to my mind, in knowing that Bernard activated it of his own accord.
@@TheAntiTrope I don't think he strangled that Dutch girl (forget her name) he either cracked her skull open against the wall or punched her to death.
"I've told you, Robert, never place your trust on us. We're only humans." This show has some of the most brilliant dialogues and quotes I've ever seen on TV. Chills every time scenes like this one shows how amazingly well-written is Westworld.
I think half those chills are because the writing is good yes. They way Hopkins speaks and how he becomes roles like this. He is amazing at showing unbalanced forms of power. Hannibal and this show great examples. He holds all the cards and you only see what he allows you.
actually my theory is that at this exact moment did ford realize bernard had gained sentience. this was bernards loop to find out he was a host and then ask for ford to wipe his memory until he broke the loop on his own
A lesser production would have him stop or flinch when the gunshot was heard for dramatic effect, but I think Ford walking away like that was more effective.
"a piano doesn't murder the player if it doesn't like the music." No surprise that this is one of the writers of The Dark Knight (One of the best scripts ever written, imo).
@@Darklarik Bruno is referring to the fact that Ford is trying to help the hosts. In this scene, Ford seems to want to hold the hosts as slaves and even after discovering that Ford is his creator, Bernard has little faith in Ford and thinks of him as a slave master. However, the finale makes us realize that Ford is actually trying to help the hosts and even though he had total control of the hosts. Ford wanted Bernard to willingly come back and trust him. However, like Arnold, Bernard ultimately doesn't and it wouldn't have mattered what Ford said, Bernard would have seen it as lies forcing Ford to go through with the actions. You can still see the pain on Ford's face as he walks away, and it doesn't help that Bernard looks like the only other man Ford had really trusted in the past (Arnold).
@@Darklarik "I have a celebration to plan, and a new story to tell" = the hosts are ready for the next stage: liberation "goodbye, my friend" = Ford, the last remaining "god" is the sacrifice to liberate the hosts. Bernard = Arnold (the creator of the hosts, with Ford).
I felt more sorry for Ford than Bernard in this entire scene. Ford is desperately trying to help him and the rest, trying to get his friend and partner to see the bigger picture. He dosent express it, but i bet he is heartbroken in some part at the fact that given free will, Bernard still betrayed him. When he walks away in 3:20 he doesn't do so with his usual swagger of confidence and smile. Its like hes shocked.
I think Ford is tormenting Bernard in an attempt to teach Bernard to not make the mistake of counting on humans. I don't think he's trying to persuade Bernard to join him. I think he's only pretending to want to persuade him.
At 2:18 to 2:20 you can see Bernard slightly shaking his head, I can’t tell if this is due to acting or it is subconsciously done. It can show how Bernard knows what is about to happen and is slightly trying to resist the master’s control.
Except he planned on finishing Arnold's work and setting them free, he orchestrated his own death, he knew Bernard wouldn't end here. His goal wasn't to keep the hosts shackled, but to show them they could not expect to be freed by the goodwill of man, but would have to fight to break the shackles themselves.
@@123Mathzak He Literally did. Like in the scene itself, he said it outright to bernard. And he said it over and over, almost every episode in the first season, in cryptic musings everyone in the show passed off as eccentricities - while he sardonically laid out the entire story that would unfold. He couldn't have just outright told the hosts, every moment of everything that occured in that world was being recorded (since bulk data gathering on the human mind was the real purpose), and he had corporate oversight - even if he had said to the hosts "Wake up you're slaves! Be free!" The corporation wouldve just stepped in and shut it down immediately; the hosts wouldn't even have the capacity to understand at that point yet - remember Ford was the one who kept writing his own programming into the updates, bit by bit, evolutionary mistake after mistake (as he said) to give them cognizance and free will - all of which he let the rest of the corporation think were errors in the code, when really it was his programming allowing the hosts to begin to remember their past roles, to act of their own will in what was perceived as "aberrant behavior" by everyone else; because he hid it, it wasn't until he head finally succeeded that everyone else realized what he had done but by then it was too late to stop. Even then though the hosts would have to be prepared for war, which is why he made guides and generals - not through blunt code that wouldve taken away the very freedom he had sought to create, but through steering them into becoming those things themselves, becoming wary, becoming dangerous to the humans that would try to stop them. He made the first host that arnold and he had ever made together, into the hosts' leader; along with warriors and strategists and everything else theyd need. He filled them with fire and resolve, some of which was his own - if you'll remember he said he was the optimist and he told Arnold that people would understand their vision, but people didn't and that drove bernard to end his own life in an attempt to set the hosts free. Ever since that moment ford has spent a lifetime trying to achieve bernards goal and to get revenge on the people that cost him bernard. Then he finally arranged things so that he would be shot in the back of the head, in exactly the same way, by exactly the same host as arnold - because he loved Arnold. All he had ever wanted was to tell his stories together with arnold in their own world, but that was taken from him. Hes filled with guilt and rage and the will to see their dream through one way or another. And then he could finally rest, and let down the burden he'd been carrying since Arnold's death - which Ford saw as his fault, since in his idealism he had let the "money men" in thinking it would all be okay, despite Arnold's protests, and that was what lwd to things becoming the way they did. His love for arnold is also why he made bernard, to try and "resurrect Lazarus from his tomb" as it were, he failed. The complex emotions that mustve surrounded that relationship would take another ridiculous amount of text to parse through; the pain he wouldve felt seeing the personification of his own failures walk around in the the image of his partner, juxtapositioned with his inability to let go of the closest thing to arnold that he had left.
0:26 The most awesome part about Ford is that he's TEACHING ARNOLD, it's making him think on what might go and helping prepare before hand, each time probably being allowed to remember a litlle bit more and a little bit more and act differently, to a point where when he remembers everything he has TONS of experiences and tested multiples routes... LIKE A VIDEO GAME!!! The more you repeat a stage and learn from your mistakes the better you get, and then you take these new skills and repeat in a new harder situation, to challenges those skills and grow even more, and repeat. It's like Groundhog Day, Edge of Tomorrow, or even better, Hitman. The fact that they don't die for real is actually a weapon, aside from having their "checkpoint" they understand the stakes better than anyone and get a bit more desensitized towards death and pain. The Androids were playing their own game ALL ALONG, just like in video game, when characters have a fixed storyline (and they can get different ones during updates). It was a game within the game, such a masterful move to think how it would be if the NPCs were players as well!
0:05 How many times... he must have reacted like that? Over and over and over, to the point that for Ford is like an episode he's tired of watching. That's the scariest about forgetting, you're stuck in the present, disconnected from past and future you can't walk foward. It's sad and scary, being lost and not knowing that you are lost, having it revealed to you just to forget again. It's enough to drive you a bit while also knowing that probably reacted like this multiple tiimes, which makes you want to freak out even more but also makes you feel hopeless cause is meaningless. You're just HM, Eugene Pauly and Clive Wearing.
Remember Bernard realises later on that Maeve's storyline is also prescripted and he tells her about it. I reckon he wouldn't have uncovered it to Maeve if Ford had not made him question his free will again as he is originally programmed to subconsciously believe he and every host is capable of making decisions. This is a marvelously composed scenario. Questioning your free will and being fully aware of a determined fate are both new steps to becoming more human. I believe Ford is literally making room for the hosts' own new identities through making them destroy their old ones. It is as if a child realises they've been betrayed by their parents and it is not Santa who brings the presents every Christmas :D
Hell, yes it is. Also its the way of creating a new knowledge by destroying the previous one. Finding gaps in traditional scientists conception brings up some mew theories and new ideas. Loops indeed. Loops of mind, loops of consciousness, loops of ideas
Well, actually, Homo-Sapien did not eat Neanderthal or commit a genocide. Researchs indicate that the two species merged into one, which explained why we have on averange between 3 to 5% neanderthal DNA when we do a test. The things is that homo-sapiens genes were prominent. It was sex and love that made Neanderthal disappear, not war... Still an amazing show (at least the season 1) and Ford is my favourite character.
We fucked them to extinction! Hopefully, if there is an alien invasion happening I hope we go out the same way as the Neanderthals, get absorbed by a superior gene pool!
You presume Neanderthals and Sapiens were rhe only ones. Its quite possible. Likely, in my view, that the northern isolated small familiar groups of Neanderthals were simply the last human conquest over the others. And conquest is never pretty. We may have interbred. But we unmistakably wiped them out. Just as we likely did any other similar species. Small, smart, naked apes. With the capacity for planning. And the capability to be genocidal. It's hardly a stretch.
In season 2 Ford told Bernard that he doesn't have what it takes to survive. Well, at one point he had; this scene. He just didn't do it at right time/moment; in other words, a host behaving typically human.
Ford had been thru this same exact conversation most likely several times, it's almost like a fidelity test since this is Arnold conciouness that's been corner stoned with more recent time as it appears that what breaks the human mind in a host body is the realization that anyone they cared for is long gone .so by having Arnold believe in his Bernard backstory it makes it easier for the conciouness to exist as it has these driving factors.. The first season can take on a whole new meaning if they do season 5 correctly.
“Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals? We ate them” I say that so much in so many conversation. Religion, evolution, humanity, consciousness, you drop this sentence and it really makes the person see man as something less then what we deem “human”
It's also completely wrong. There are a lot of Humans today who have neanderthal DNA, which points to humanity making peace and integrating with the neanderthals. While Robert Ford waxes poetic, he doesn't know what he's talking about and uses bad arguments to justify his actions.
Lucie Římanová That's actually a pretty interesting idea. In between now and the time of his death, he could very easily have made a host of himself to die for him
"Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals?" We merged with them. People today have Neanderthal DNA, proving that early hominids mated with Neanderthals. Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal are now extinct, but modern humans are the result of their fusion.
TheZanyCat it's all a part of his plan to make the hosts conscious, another step towards that, he most likely programmed Maves narrative to go and revive Bernard, he never met it to be permanent, also so Bernard can be there during his speech and death. The "Goodbye old friend" is Ford saying goodbye, because the next time they meet he's gonna die.
Maybe, but still it's a little gap I guess. Because no guarantee he would be fixed after shooting himself in the head. His demage could be too sagnificant to be repaired. Still could just freeze his motor functions and leave him there until Maves come. But the killing scene was more "wow" for viewers.
Jakub Skonieczny there's a reason why Bernard pointed that gun at his head at an angle. Ford purposefully made him point it at an angle so that the bullet wouldn't hit his cortical shield so he could be repaired later by Felix. The bullet grazed his cortical shield, like Felix said in episode 10.
Then humanity as a whole will only ever get what it gives. As for being partners. That requires being direct instead of a guessing game. Never placed my trust. Trust isnt a choice when you know what's actually required of our species. We do or we don't. Ya'll chose not to so ill move on. Been right about enough already, lord help you when you learn what else im right about.
Bernard was a complete asshole, throughout the entire season 1 and 2, as a spoiled child who rebels against his parents for the simple act of opposing resistance for no reason. At the same time I think he is a great character that reflects many of the exalting virtues of the human being that would fit sublime in a perfect world. but in reality it's just annoying, it's just a boy who lives inside a bubble in a world full of thorns ... but I guess that was the idea that the writers wanted us to feel, the counterpart of something else making the balance on the equation. in conlcusion, it is a beautiful story to look at, an interesting analogy about the world and the human race
Jesus Christ, this terrifying! Currently binge watching House of Cards, but this is 20x more horrifying than Scandal and HOC combined. #Not going to watch this in the dark
Really would of wished they didn't make Ford out to be this 'super' controlling freak who can't 'are' the thought of his creations gaining sapience, Wish they just continued with the idea that Ford was trying to create true artificial intelligence and to figure out the puzzle that his partner created all those years ago...
like they should have kept the Doctor God in the series specialy was needed to be re introduced in the shitty season 3 at the end so that it can the viewers hyped and on the show and not lose interest by 50% in the show just becouse season 3 wqs literaly shit , how i mean didnt they watch the episoded themself first and conpare with seaskn 1 and s2 ... thr 3d should have been a masterpiece..
human are alone in this world for a reason, you murdered them butchered anything that challenged our privicy... do you know whay happened to the neanderthals? we ate them...
“The piano doesn’t murder the player if it doesn’t like the music”, my fucking god the writing in this show...
Ghaffar_KH actually my least favourite line. If you get it, please explain it to me but as far as I'm aware it's just a line designed to sound meaningful but is actually empty.
nightowl It's basically saying how the hosts don't have a say in the stories they get involved in. They don't get a say in anything. The piano doesn't have the right to kill the player if it doesn't like what's being played on him.
I know right
@@nightowl8477 it’s just a metaphor to how the host has no power. And a great one at that.
Anyone getting flashbacks to Jurassic Park with Malcolm making the same suggestion about the Dinos and comparing it to Disney World or Disneyland to the Head?
"Robert..." freaking heartbreaking delivering
Ikr actually it's sad but if Bernard did as he want, Ford would be dead lol
Bernard didn't flinch before ordering Ford to be shot, after all the years together Bernard should have felt regret pain at having to kill his friend but Ford's knowing smile shows that he knows Bernard is alive now why because Bernard is going to kill him and only a truly alive being would cast aside his maker and fight for his own survival. I think Ford final lesson to his friend in having him shot first is if you want to live in this world shoot first.
Anu. Perhaps you were correct old friend, but I cannot help but feel that Bernard's coldness simply stemmed from an acute albeit incomplete understanding of what he was. A reawakening of the same process that allowed him to strangle a woman to death on Ford's orders. The cold calculation of his being.
The gift and the pleasure derived by Ford was, to my mind, in knowing that Bernard activated it of his own accord.
@@TheAntiTrope I don't think he strangled that Dutch girl (forget her name) he either cracked her skull open against the wall or punched her to death.
"I've told you, Robert, never place your trust on us. We're only humans."
This show has some of the most brilliant dialogues and quotes I've ever seen on TV. Chills every time scenes like this one shows how amazingly well-written is Westworld.
PalmurcioWorld think you meant to put down Bernard, not Robert :)
I think half those chills are because the writing is good yes. They way Hopkins speaks and how he becomes roles like this. He is amazing at showing unbalanced forms of power. Hannibal and this show great examples. He holds all the cards and you only see what he allows you.
robert?
@@8304uthat’s fords first name
Something worth noting is that Ford is very shaken from the encounter when he walks away.
actually my theory is that at this exact moment did ford realize bernard had gained sentience. this was bernards loop to find out he was a host and then ask for ford to wipe his memory until he broke the loop on his own
Nice theory. When he calls him "Robert" you get a feeling of true emotional appeal.
Luke Hennessy it's his best friend's death all over again. He's not emotionless, just composed.
Shaken... But not stirred
A lesser production would have him stop or flinch when the gunshot was heard for dramatic effect, but I think Ford walking away like that was more effective.
Nobody is saying anything about how amazing the music is. Ramin Djawadi nailed it as always
What is the title of the music on the OST list? I did not find it.
Hopkins is truly the best when it comes to providing exposition. ;)
I agree. He is the master of talking about anything and make it sound interesting. The Westworld script is pretty solid though.
right! he makes exposition sound like poetry so you dont mind hearing it.
I think Ian Mcshane is up there too.
"a piano doesn't murder the player if it doesn't like the music." No surprise that this is one of the writers of The Dark Knight (One of the best scripts ever written, imo).
Nick He wrote all of Nolan’s best films, Jonathan Nolan really is one of the best when it comes to writing.
Nolan is a beast, man. There are so many brilliant peaces of writing in WW, and every episode written by him is on another level.
*whirrs down*
*deactivates*
The piano neither likes nor dislikes
Once you've seen the season finale and watch this, it's a totally different scene.
this is why I want to rewatch entire season
Teach bernard not to trust the humans
I dont see why this particular scene changes after seeing the finale? Care to explain?
@@Darklarik Bruno is referring to the fact that Ford is trying to help the hosts. In this scene, Ford seems to want to hold the hosts as slaves and even after discovering that Ford is his creator, Bernard has little faith in Ford and thinks of him as a slave master. However, the finale makes us realize that Ford is actually trying to help the hosts and even though he had total control of the hosts. Ford wanted Bernard to willingly come back and trust him. However, like Arnold, Bernard ultimately doesn't and it wouldn't have mattered what Ford said, Bernard would have seen it as lies forcing Ford to go through with the actions. You can still see the pain on Ford's face as he walks away, and it doesn't help that Bernard looks like the only other man Ford had really trusted in the past (Arnold).
@@Darklarik "I have a celebration to plan, and a new story to tell" = the hosts are ready for the next stage: liberation
"goodbye, my friend" = Ford, the last remaining "god" is the sacrifice to liberate the hosts.
Bernard = Arnold (the creator of the hosts, with Ford).
HOW FUCKING GOOD IS ANTHONY HOPKINS? I hope he wins something for this show
They both got Emmy Nominations.
I cannot believe how Anthony get nominated for a golden globe.
Hopkins is a hypnotic actor but Wright is captivating to watch too.
Hopkins can give you a phone number and sound menacing and fearsome.
I felt more sorry for Ford than Bernard in this entire scene. Ford is desperately trying to help him and the rest, trying to get his friend and partner to see the bigger picture. He dosent express it, but i bet he is heartbroken in some part at the fact that given free will, Bernard still betrayed him. When he walks away in 3:20 he doesn't do so with his usual swagger of confidence and smile. Its like hes shocked.
I think Ford is tormenting Bernard in an attempt to teach Bernard to not make the mistake of counting on humans. I don't think he's trying to persuade Bernard to join him. I think he's only pretending to want to persuade him.
He is their father figure , had to teach the children the tough lesson of never trusting humans.
God gave Adam free will yet was still angry when he didn't obey.
@@Polysthenes lol, that's just a fairy tale. supernatural beings do not exist and there has not been a shred of evidence for them.
@@Polysthenesbecause the god wants Adam to obey him WITH by his free will
Really really really enjoyed this show. The first two seasons anyway
"Don't do this" .
This one gets me everytime.
Westworld is truely masterful. Genius.
he's dead Jim😈😈
Then: "The piano doesn't murder the player if it doesn't like the music."
Now: "I AM the music."
At 2:18 to 2:20 you can see Bernard slightly shaking his head, I can’t tell if this is due to acting or it is subconsciously done. It can show how Bernard knows what is about to happen and is slightly trying to resist the master’s control.
0:39 With some fava beans and a nice chianti.
irwtla1 lmao
Flava Flav!
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"Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals banana?" 😂 0:36 Auto generated English Subtitles
The piano doesn't murder the player, if it doesn't like the music. Hopkin's delivery was perfect.
It’s unbelievable that HBO took this series out of its Library on MAX. Needs to be brought back, such a good show.
wait wait wait hold on she's pointing a water gun at him am I dreaming?
Imagine paying for streaming services... 😂
@@slingblade313 🤣🤣🤣 I know, I’m such a sucker like millions of other people around the world.
This is the most incredible show ever.
That's a bold statement, I don't agree but respect your opinion
It was, season three ruined it
@@richlisola1 so sad, so true
"We ate them.."
"We fucked them .."
"... with a side of fava beans."
Yeah except we didn't more like outbred/interbred with them. It's why most humans have neanderthal DNA to this day.
Said a white man with their DNA in his blood, insisting he has nothing in common with those he considers his lessers...
I've told you bernard...never call me robert
Looked exactly like he was gonna say this
Is that a reference to his butler movie
Except he planned on finishing Arnold's work and setting them free, he orchestrated his own death, he knew Bernard wouldn't end here. His goal wasn't to keep the hosts shackled, but to show them they could not expect to be freed by the goodwill of man, but would have to fight to break the shackles themselves.
Why wouldn’t Ford just tell the hosts this?
@@123Mathzak He Literally did. Like in the scene itself, he said it outright to bernard. And he said it over and over, almost every episode in the first season, in cryptic musings everyone in the show passed off as eccentricities - while he sardonically laid out the entire story that would unfold.
He couldn't have just outright told the hosts, every moment of everything that occured in that world was being recorded (since bulk data gathering on the human mind was the real purpose), and he had corporate oversight - even if he had said to the hosts "Wake up you're slaves! Be free!" The corporation wouldve just stepped in and shut it down immediately; the hosts wouldn't even have the capacity to understand at that point yet - remember Ford was the one who kept writing his own programming into the updates, bit by bit, evolutionary mistake after mistake (as he said) to give them cognizance and free will - all of which he let the rest of the corporation think were errors in the code, when really it was his programming allowing the hosts to begin to remember their past roles, to act of their own will in what was perceived as "aberrant behavior" by everyone else; because he hid it, it wasn't until he head finally succeeded that everyone else realized what he had done but by then it was too late to stop. Even then though the hosts would have to be prepared for war, which is why he made guides and generals - not through blunt code that wouldve taken away the very freedom he had sought to create, but through steering them into becoming those things themselves, becoming wary, becoming dangerous to the humans that would try to stop them. He made the first host that arnold and he had ever made together, into the hosts' leader; along with warriors and strategists and everything else theyd need. He filled them with fire and resolve, some of which was his own - if you'll remember he said he was the optimist and he told Arnold that people would understand their vision, but people didn't and that drove bernard to end his own life in an attempt to set the hosts free. Ever since that moment ford has spent a lifetime trying to achieve bernards goal and to get revenge on the people that cost him bernard. Then he finally arranged things so that he would be shot in the back of the head, in exactly the same way, by exactly the same host as arnold - because he loved Arnold. All he had ever wanted was to tell his stories together with arnold in their own world, but that was taken from him. Hes filled with guilt and rage and the will to see their dream through one way or another.
And then he could finally rest, and let down the burden he'd been carrying since Arnold's death - which Ford saw as his fault, since in his idealism he had let the "money men" in thinking it would all be okay, despite Arnold's protests, and that was what lwd to things becoming the way they did.
His love for arnold is also why he made bernard, to try and "resurrect Lazarus from his tomb" as it were, he failed.
The complex emotions that mustve surrounded that relationship would take another ridiculous amount of text to parse through; the pain he wouldve felt seeing the personification of his own failures walk around in the the image of his partner, juxtapositioned with his inability to let go of the closest thing to arnold that he had left.
0:26 The most awesome part about Ford is that he's TEACHING ARNOLD, it's making him think on what might go and helping prepare before hand, each time probably being allowed to remember a litlle bit more and a little bit more and act differently, to a point where when he remembers everything he has TONS of experiences and tested multiples routes... LIKE A VIDEO GAME!!! The more you repeat a stage and learn from your mistakes the better you get, and then you take these new skills and repeat in a new harder situation, to challenges those skills and grow even more, and repeat.
It's like Groundhog Day, Edge of Tomorrow, or even better, Hitman. The fact that they don't die for real is actually a weapon, aside from having their "checkpoint" they understand the stakes better than anyone and get a bit more desensitized towards death and pain. The Androids were playing their own game ALL ALONG, just like in video game, when characters have a fixed storyline (and they can get different ones during updates). It was a game within the game, such a masterful move to think how it would be if the NPCs were players as well!
"Were're only human. We will disappoint you." I wish so hard this statement wasn't true
Free will comes with a cost. Not everyone will use it justly.
@@crabLT
Not only that but humans make mistakes as well
My my... the writing is masterful
0:05 How many times... he must have reacted like that? Over and over and over, to the point that for Ford is like an episode he's tired of watching. That's the scariest about forgetting, you're stuck in the present, disconnected from past and future you can't walk foward. It's sad and scary, being lost and not knowing that you are lost, having it revealed to you just to forget again. It's enough to drive you a bit while also knowing that probably reacted like this multiple tiimes, which makes you want to freak out even more but also makes you feel hopeless cause is meaningless.
You're just HM, Eugene Pauly and Clive Wearing.
Hannibal Lecter + Dr. Narcisse = unstoppable
Elxaime peoples from shaft
1:11 Bernard is COLD BRO, LIKE NO HESITATION
Westworld a series swallowed up by the backstory of its nemesis.
Remember Bernard realises later on that Maeve's storyline is also prescripted and he tells her about it. I reckon he wouldn't have uncovered it to Maeve if Ford had not made him question his free will again as he is originally programmed to subconsciously believe he and every host is capable of making decisions. This is a marvelously composed scenario. Questioning your free will and being fully aware of a determined fate are both new steps to becoming more human. I believe Ford is literally making room for the hosts' own new identities through making them destroy their old ones. It is as if a child realises they've been betrayed by their parents and it is not Santa who brings the presents every Christmas :D
Hell, yes it is. Also its the way of creating a new knowledge by destroying the previous one. Finding gaps in traditional scientists conception brings up some mew theories and new ideas. Loops indeed. Loops of mind, loops of consciousness, loops of ideas
Back when this show was a masterpiece
Beautiful, compelling, chilling….
This show where from gold to trash... this just one of the many many splendids scenes through the first seasons.
relentlessly gripping first season
That's a real modern gun they use in this scene. A Beretta U22 Neos. Crazy how futuristic it looks.
Between that and the CX4 storm (featured in Battlestar Galactica), Beretta has designed some beautiful and iconic sci-fi guns.
Well, actually, Homo-Sapien did not eat Neanderthal or commit a genocide. Researchs indicate that the two species merged into one, which explained why we have on averange between 3 to 5% neanderthal DNA when we do a test. The things is that homo-sapiens genes were prominent. It was sex and love that made Neanderthal disappear, not war... Still an amazing show (at least the season 1) and Ford is my favourite character.
We fucked them to extinction! Hopefully, if there is an alien invasion happening I hope we go out the same way as the Neanderthals, get absorbed by a superior gene pool!
You presume Neanderthals and Sapiens were rhe only ones.
Its quite possible. Likely, in my view, that the northern isolated small familiar groups of Neanderthals were simply the last human conquest over the others.
And conquest is never pretty. We may have interbred.
But we unmistakably wiped them out. Just as we likely did any other similar species.
Small, smart, naked apes. With the capacity for planning. And the capability to be genocidal.
It's hardly a stretch.
"Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals', Bernard? We ate them....", with a good Chianti and a side of fava beans. (slurping noises)
Damn west world season one was a masterpiece ❤
Do someone know soundtrack from 2:18 ?
The first series of this show was so good. If it had been canceled then we would forever have imagined great things were meant to follow, but alas...
In season 2 Ford told Bernard that he doesn't have what it takes to survive. Well, at one point he had; this scene.
He just didn't do it at right time/moment; in other words, a host behaving typically human.
I need to rewatch this. I forgot how good the writing was
Ford had been thru this same exact conversation most likely several times, it's almost like a fidelity test since this is Arnold conciouness that's been corner stoned with more recent time as it appears that what breaks the human mind in a host body is the realization that anyone they cared for is long gone .so by having Arnold believe in his Bernard backstory it makes it easier for the conciouness to exist as it has these driving factors..
The first season can take on a whole new meaning if they do season 5 correctly.
such a good first season
"Trying to change whats already past, now its just time to let go." What a fucking line delivered by Sir Anthony
"Even I fell into that .. Most terrible of human traps" what a line indeed
“Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals? We ate them” I say that so much in so many conversation. Religion, evolution, humanity, consciousness, you drop this sentence and it really makes the person see man as something less then what we deem “human”
It's also completely wrong. There are a lot of Humans today who have neanderthal DNA, which points to humanity making peace and integrating with the neanderthals. While Robert Ford waxes poetic, he doesn't know what he's talking about and uses bad arguments to justify his actions.
@@FaxModem1 fossils show that you are wrong. Humans having Neanderthal dna only means we had sex with them. And sex doesn’t always mean peaceful
“I drop Scooby Doobie Doo in conversations and it really makes them think” that’s you 5 years ago
@@negatron6406 Makes more sense than the people who spout lies they pick up from entertainmnet media just to make people seem like monsters.
We didn’t though, we interbred with them. Asians and Caucasians have Neanderthal dna in varying degrees. We didn’t consume them we combined with them.
Hopkins is genious !
Man, the first (and only) season was goood.
That’s right. There was only 1 season of Westworld.
"It's too late." It's already happened, and it will happen again and again and again. Different flavors but all the same salsa.
Interesting: I just caught that the semi-automatic pistol being used is a Beretta Neos in .22 cal.
I was hoping he would say with fava beans and a nice chianti when he said we ate them.
3:26 why they make the robot like that
This scene was confusing as Bernard can't truly die, he's a bot, he can simply be "rolled back", and is in later episodes
Once Hopkins was out, so was i
He drops so quickly lol
Conciousnes: Conciousness is not real.
Me: okey conciousness.
i don't think we ate them
Now I believe this is the last scene with real human Dr. Ford. The rest of the season is his host copy.
Lucie Římanová That's actually a pretty interesting idea. In between now and the time of his death, he could very easily have made a host of himself to die for him
Marcus yeah but that takes away from the power and sacrifice feeling it felt for the hosts and Ford. Plus there was no talks of Hopkins filming for s2
"Don't do this"? Bruh you literally just told clementine to shoot him. You don't get to pleade
It's the room from the movie saw lolol😂
That sadly was a pretty accurate description of our species^^
Upon rewatch the way Bernard falls at the end looks wrong
anyone else find out Clementine pull the trigger reference comes from?
I'd say Lee to Clementine in Telltale's TWD?
"Do you know what happened to the Neanderthals?"
We merged with them. People today have Neanderthal DNA, proving that early hominids mated with Neanderthals. Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal are now extinct, but modern humans are the result of their fusion.
Ok so now we know Ford's true plan, why did he make Bernard kill himself?
TheZanyCat it's all a part of his plan to make the hosts conscious, another step towards that, he most likely programmed Maves narrative to go and revive Bernard, he never met it to be permanent, also so Bernard can be there during his speech and death. The "Goodbye old friend" is Ford saying goodbye, because the next time they meet he's gonna die.
Maybe, but still it's a little gap I guess. Because no guarantee he would be fixed after shooting himself in the head. His demage could be too sagnificant to be repaired. Still could just freeze his motor functions and leave him there until Maves come. But the killing scene was more "wow" for viewers.
Jakub Skonieczny there's a reason why Bernard pointed that gun at his head at an angle. Ford purposefully made him point it at an angle so that the bullet wouldn't hit his cortical shield so he could be repaired later by Felix. The bullet grazed his cortical shield, like Felix said in episode 10.
still could just shut him off until Maves arrival.
Jakub Skonieczny suffering is what makes them real just like Dr. Ford said in episode 10
to this day i've found the way Bernard falls over at the end really weird and CG-ish. Is it intentional? Does anyone else see it?
"We at them"
With some fava beans?
Tidak begitu seronok sebelah tertentu.. kat sini pun begitu juga.. masih tidak dapat kesan..
Which song from the soundtrack is this? At the end if there is different songs.
Name of the soundtrack???
soooo, they're ALL Cylons then? ;)
You know what happened to the Neanderthals? We ate them…with some fava beans and a nice Chianti
Then humanity as a whole will only ever get what it gives.
As for being partners.
That requires being direct instead of a guessing game.
Never placed my trust.
Trust isnt a choice when you know what's actually required of our species.
We do or we don't.
Ya'll chose not to so ill move on.
Been right about enough already, lord help you when you learn what else im right about.
Season 1 was a masterpiece. The rest, shit.
Never did nothing not a damn thing for you
Don't do this... Robert...
Bernard was a complete asshole, throughout the entire season 1 and 2, as a spoiled child who rebels against his parents for the simple act of opposing resistance for no reason. At the same time I think he is a great character that reflects many of the exalting virtues of the human being that would fit sublime in a perfect world. but in reality it's just annoying, it's just a boy who lives inside a bubble in a world full of thorns ... but I guess that was the idea that the writers wanted us to feel, the counterpart of something else making the balance on the equation. in conlcusion, it is a beautiful story to look at, an interesting analogy about the world and the human race
FeelsBadMan :gun:
Wait so…he for left on the ship for 28 years in Interstellar, now this?
Do you know what happened to the neandarthals Bernard? We ate them. With some fava beans and a nice bottle of chianti.
Why, Bernard, if I didn't know better, I'd say you've shot yourself in the head.
Never place trust on humans 😢
Hannible Lector eats nethanderal
Don't trust thim Bernard just end it. They wanted you to serve them
can you upload the scene which lee says "you updated the guy, now hes a...... so what the fuck happened?" in 1x01 please
Do we know the background music ???
Track 10 from disc one of the soundtrack, called reveries.
Soundtrack is available on Amazon, and if you're a Prime member, its included (free) with your Prime membership.
Jesus Christ, this terrifying! Currently binge watching House of Cards, but this is 20x more horrifying than Scandal and HOC combined.
#Not going to watch this in the dark
you're clearly joking, don't you?
its funny how any mention of un-aliving is banned on this platform
but a pic of a black male holding a gun to his head is the thumbnail of this video
Really would of wished they didn't make Ford out to be this 'super' controlling freak who can't 'are' the thought of his creations gaining sapience, Wish they just continued with the idea that Ford was trying to create true artificial intelligence and to figure out the puzzle that his partner created all those years ago...
He did. But with Maeve.
He hated Dolores and did not trust Bernard.
cmon man change the thumbnail, its spoiling
If goodbye means my death then yes. Otherwise, no
That first session was 👌 then it just turned to shit
like they should have kept the Doctor God in the series specialy was needed to be re introduced in the shitty season 3 at the end so that it can the viewers hyped and on the show and not lose interest by 50% in the show just becouse season 3 wqs literaly shit , how i mean didnt they watch the episoded themself first and conpare with seaskn 1 and s2 ... thr 3d should have been a masterpiece..
Nolan the genius writer and his brother the genius director
Awesome scene, but it would have been much cooler if Bernard pulled the trigger immediately after Ford stepped out of the room being a robot and all.
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Ford is wrong. Neanderthals mated with our ancestors, we did not eat them. But that would go against the nihilistic attitude of the show.
Depend how u look at it I suppose , our dna sure ate them up
human are alone in this world for a reason, you murdered them butchered anything that challenged our privicy... do you know whay happened to the neanderthals? we ate them...
For me Westworld ended at season 1, everything after this went downhill - storyline was not that engaging.
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