Are Christians Righteous Even Though We Sin?
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I always wondered how to segregate these and what would be a good analogy for this... Thanks Dr. Craig!
In The Seventh Day adventist Church we call that concept for IMPUTED and IMPARTED righteousness. The law condemns us as unrighteous and when we regret our sins we come to Jesus for forgiveness. This is the legal act that Craig talks about. When we have given our life to Jesus then he sends us BACK to the law, and gives us power to keep the 10 commandments. That is the process of sanctification or IMPARTED righteousness.
Very well said Dr Craig.
If you talk to Christians like Jesse Lee Peterson and Melonie Mac they will tell you they NEVER sin.
These are people who have a MASSIVE subscriber base.
I have to wonder what percentage of Christians are like this.
Not sure but I remember having behavioural problems with a class I was teaching so I asked a more experienced teacher and he said he never had such problems. At first I thought he was being oververly conceited until I realized it was a matter of perspective. The kids weren't misbehaving they were just kids who had no intention of misbehaving. Sin is not primarily about doing good or bad things for without faith even so called good works can be seen as sins. The prodical son was always his fathers son no matter what and the father could always forgive the son he could not forgive others who were not related. That is not to say a son can not perish outside of his fathers perserve.
I heard Jesse Lee Peterson saying that nobody is good only yesterday 🤔😂
This is a great perspective, never thought of it this way.
I was just wondering about this!
Receiving a pardon from your president or governor would never make me sinless
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Nice illustration.
if Paul still considers himself as "the foremost sinner" in 1 Timothy 1:16 and a "wretched man" in Romans 7 then i am certainly one too.
Praise God that Dr Craig so clearly declares this life-giving doctrine in the face of so many who ridicule it.
Dr Craig I have come across a very hard question that I do not know an answer to despite being very familiar with your work. The question is "Why would God create people if the path to salvation is narrow?". This is esentially an attack on doctrine of hell. Those who go to hell are indeed without excuse for God is just. All of us should go to hell because none of us is good. The only reason we can go to heaven is God's mercy and the sacrifice of Jesus. But this question poses a challenge to the claim that those who go to hell are without excuse. For indeed no man was created through his own will. And the attack is that creation in some way condemns people to hell even though they have free will, for if they were not created they would not be able to suffer hell. Thus anyone can claim that did not wish to be created and that potential for ending in hell was unjustly forced upon them through creation without their will. Thank you in advance for any help you might offer. Best regards.
I think you are more likely to get an answer from Dr. Craig if you submit your question through his website.
For what it's worth, it seems to me that this is actually an argument that God should never create free creatures at all, because to do so is unjust given that they didn't choose to be created. But I think it is logically impossible to ask permission from the creature before creating them since they would have to be created to be asked if they would like to be created, which is nonsense. Should God then simply refrain from creating a universe at all? Why should God refrain from creating a world in which so many people would freely choose Him and get to enjoy Him as the greatest gift, only because so many others would freely reject His every effort to save them? Sure, if it were possible for God to actualize a world in which the same people are saved as in the actual world, but less people are lost, then He probably should do so. But how can anyone prove that this is a feasible world for God to actualize? Given the contingent set of true counterfactuals of creaturely freedom, it may very well be that there was no such option available to God.
@@ichthysforever1796 If you say that people are anihilated immediately or after some time in hell then the question is answered. The answer would esentially be that the path of salvation is narrow but the wide path of damnation ultimately leads you to the state of non existence in which you were before creation. Thus creation does not potentially condemn you eternally. Thank you for your previous response and advice.
@@marko_duvnjak Yes, I guess that is an option as well. But I do believe that even if you accept the doctrine of eternal hell, it is not creation that condemns someone (after all, believers are also created and not condemned!) but their refusal to accept God's gracious pardon. In my view, God desires everyone to be saved and so provides sufficient grace for everyone such that they will only be condemned if they outright reject God and His mercy, and so have no excuse. Yes, the way to salvation is narrow in the sense that Jesus is the only way to be saved. But that doesn't mean God doesn't provide the way to everyone. It is like if you have a deadly bacterial infection and the way to health is narrow (only through antibiotics), but since you are given the means to use the medicine by the doctor it is ultimately your own fault if you refuse to take it. Yes, the unbeliever would not be condemned if he were not created because he would not exist. But as I said in my previous comment, the alternative for God in this case would be to not create anyone at all, or to create an universe in which more people would be lost or less people would be saved than the actual world. There is no reason to think that God is required to choose these deficient alternatives only because the unbeliever would freely reject His enormous sacrifice and offer of salvation for his own sins .
@@ichthysforever1796 I made a comment prior to the one you saw but for some reason it was not published. Here is the original comment: I agree with you completely. Thus I do not view this as an attack on existence of God. If it was we could deal with it very easily. But it is attack on doctrine of hell. Namely those who end up in hell have this excuse. Annihilationism would solve this but I do not know if there is any other solution that does not abolish the doctrine of eternal damnation in hell. If you say that people are anihilated immediately or after some time in hell then the question is answered. The answer would esentially be that the path of salvation is narrow but the wide path of damnation ultimately leads you to the state of non existence in which you were before creation. Thus creation does not potentially condemn you eternally.
@@ichthysforever1796 I made a comment prior to the one you saw but for some reason it was not published. Here it is: "I agree with you completely. Thus I do not view this as an argument against the existence of God. If it was we could deal with it very easily. But it is argument against doctrine of hell." You made a good point that grace given to each person is sufficient. Thank you for your help and insight once again.
So what if you die before you are fully sanctified? In that state are you ready to enter heaven?
Nobody becomes fully sanctified on the Earth. That will happen when Christ returns and believers receive new glorified bodies and a new nature.
1 Corinthians 15:44
Philippians 3:21
You are considered righteous by God when you follow the knowledge and the light you have from God. Your spiritual journey has begun. As long as you obey the knowledge you have received, you are GROWING towards perfection, and THAT is what Jesus is looking at.
It doesn’t matter if you have only one talent or two. God sees our motives. He knows if you - deep in your heart - long for more light and a deeper conviction and for a MORE righteous life, or if you are only a superficial Christian who love the world more than God.
If you die in your walk with Christ and you have followed and obeyed and been a faithful student and servant, you are saved. But if you don’t follow what you KNOW is true in your heart (in your conscience), you should be worried about your situation and repent and come back to Jesus. 😊😊
@@sidstekapitel6335 This is a false works based gospel. People are saved and born again from the moment they believe.
Yes, thank you Dr. Craig. And the Bible tells us that every knee will bow and declare allegiance to Christ, and thus all will eventually receive this legal pardon followed by sanctification, which is a disciplinary process for all of us. I know you think I'm overly optimistic on that point, but I don't think so. I believe Christ is the Savior of the whole world! But of course you do have to receive that gift before it will be actualized.
So , is Dr Craig a proponent of once saved, Always saved?
Once saved always saved is biblical.
So, is Dr Craig a proponent of OSAS ?
He's a Wesleyan Arminian, so he rejects the notion of once saved always saved. On his Reasonable Faith podcast regarding this issue in the past, he affirmed it in the negative.
@@eclipsesonic Isn't he a Molinist?
He is, yeah.@@PinkKeeby
simul iustus et peccator
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The answer to the question in the title is an absolute NO!! When you sin you need to repent even if you have walked closely with Christ, let’s say, for 10 years without sinning. If you then sin and do not regret, do not repent and do not ask for forgiveness, you are in a lost condition. When king David sinned by having Uriah killed, and did not repent, he was in a lost condition. But in the end he repented and his heart was changed.
SIN is....
Self
Indulged
Nuisance
Or the act of living through the Mortal Form not of God!
God is the Only Life. The Life of You and the Life of Me. Not these finite, mortal bodies, but rather our True Spiritual Body that is Immortal and Omnipresent.
Christ present us before God blameless holy Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. Jesus took our iniquities, and we take his righteousness. So it’s very clear even though in our flesh we are sinners, but my mind I am righteous through what Jesus did.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Such WERE some of you….
Blah, blah, blah "it's very difficult to think of anyone who has been wronged by God in commanding [the slaughter of innocent children]" blah, blah, "what about the wrong done to these soldiers who had to carry out this command [to slaughter innocent children]."
What kind of vile person would try to justify genocide like this?
Oh Dr. Craig, always giving us gems of stupidity. All this legal nonsense... God created a "legal fiction" to kill Jesus instead of us... so the Perfect God of the universe uses legal fictions?
Sadly Bill, your commitment to Autonomianism betrays a wholly unBiblical apprehension of the nature of sin and of righteousness …
You clearly predicate your argument entirely on the (unexamined theological) assumption (your argument makes no appeal whatsoever to Scripture) that sin is a MORAL INFRACTION, rather than how Scripture describes it - as the MEASURE OF OUR FALLENNESS… the extent to which we fall short of the glory of God in whose image we were created
If your understanding of ‘sin’ as a moral infraction were correct (and you’re not), then you would have to admit that Jesus was guilty of having committed and act of sin when he healed the blind man on the Sabbath (4th Commandment ) in John 9… Yet, Jesus was without sin (2Cor 5:21), only because he and the Father are one (Jhn 10:30) - as God incarnate, Christ is the perfect image bearer of the Father and hence, sinless
Also, you would have to quarrel with David when he lamented, “I was conceived as a sinner” (Psm 51:5), unless of course, you confess the aberrant doctrine of Pelagianism…
‘Righteousness’ therefore is NOT a ‘legal standing’ as you suggest, but an rather an ontological condition - we are made right with God (right RELATIONSHIP with the Father, not ‘moral righteousness’ as you suggest) through the work of Christ - when we come to stand before the Lord God in judgement, He sees, not the wretched me standing there before Him, but Christ who intercedes on my behalf before the Father…
Thanks be to God…
If a Christian becomes legally guiltless and innocent then can he still commit horrific crimes and yet remain legally pardon. If he commits crimes then he will not be punished in hereafter. So christianity is giving license to commit crimes and be a legally innocent and hence not published. What a nonsense joke.
@munafghori4052 You are right! That's a nonsensical joke. That's also why no Christians believe that.
The prove of the righteousness given ( salvation ) is that the Christian will become a better person in thankfulness of the pardon and will want to become better.
Of course you will encounter people who call themselves Christian and still willingly do bad things. But they haven't grasped the significance of the pardon, and therefore not received the pardon and therefore will be judged.
@@ArrayzableMusic hmm that sounds good.
@@ArrayzableMusic Serial Killers who converted to Christianity: Karla Faye Tucker, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Susan Atkins.
NO punishment for them. They are enjoying their lives in Xtian HEAVEN.
Same god sent their non-Xtian victims to Xtian HELL.
What an immoral system. LOLZ