Jack if all trades master of none.... is still better then a master of 1. F35 was extremely costly but the best manned fighter jet in the world and it will be for a long time. Drones should be developed though.
dude... look at the swarm of 15 thousand Chinese drones with explosive capability. how many would it take to take down the f35 do ya think? they arent effected by Gs and so on. it may literally be obsolete, and if it is, musk is the person who would know.....
He’s not wrong though I don’t see more wouldn’t be agreeing with him lmao Ukraine has shown what the future of warfare looks like, cheap $30 drone if even, taking out multi million dollar pieces of sophisticated equipment and even more lives on top of it. It’s happening en masse in Ukraine.
Unless a drone can avoid radar detection and fly faster than Mach 1, it cannot survive an aerial dogfight. A fully armed fighter jet headed for the U.S. mainland can only be intercepted by another fighter jet.
lol you think it would be hard to make a drone that can do that? we have missiles that travel over 15 thousand miles per hour, can adjust course during flight, and send 12 warheads to 12 dif targets up to a thousand miles apart... lol whats making a drone that can dog fight and fly mach 1? nothing. especially if they are piloted by people remotely. now take into account the positives like the fact a drone piloted remotely has no effect from G's, and the fact if one gets shot down, the dude can just go get another one and jump back into the combat. this is the future
Yeah totally agree that the F-35 program was a complete boondoggle and way to expensive. Anything DOGE and whoever ends up heading up DOD, hopefully Hegseth. Can do to bring the defense budget and spending under control, great! Due respect to Mr. Musk, there is a place for drones and for crewed fighters in modern combat. Each have their own specific and very vital jobs to do.
@@LegendaryInfortainment The price has come down below F-15 prices hence why it's out of date. Please go educate yourself before defending ignorant idiocy.
@@NinjaRunningWild - You didn't need to prove in advance that your ability to breathe is being severely impaired by the placement of your head in a very unsanitary location. Did you understand any two of Elon's consecutive words? Price has a very small part to play in technical obsolescence. My DI taught me the ASS-U-ME metric forty years ago, and I understood it perfectly. How about you?
I like his approach to questioning long held programs, but this one is the beast. It is likely the most expensive weapons program in human history. He'll be fighting titans.
As much as I respect what Elon Musk has accomplished with Space X, I don't trust him to understand our military. With his bias for AI and autonomous driving I expect next he will be denigrating soldiers and calling for them to be replaced with robots. I am leery of Musk being in control of aspects of government, but hopefully my doubts will be unfounded.
Next generation fighter jets will have the option to be remote controlled, but saying drones are the way forward is not going to last beyond the technology to jam the drones from a mile away comes along and completely wipes a fleet of drones out. Tech exists now to jam one drone at a time out from visual view, this will only expand until u reach jam shields and similar
I'm sure understands much better than you might think. I do not agree the f-35 is obsolete I believe we have many uses for it in the future. I do agree with the drone comment bc it is true we are in the future it's time we prepare like it. China has swarms of drones we on the other hand do not and should invest higher into drones.
It's NO A-10 Warthog!! The morons on the hill have been trying to get rid of one of THE best Fighter Planes the USA has EVER produced PERIOD!! It was designed for ONE thing and it does it better than ANY other Airframe out there!! It's also no Apache, or Ma Deuce, or M1A1 Abrams. I know that a Grunts BEST Friend is that BBBBRRRRRTTTTT when the chips are down and the ground pounders need close air support!!
@@damonwilks8799 You should remember that Musk used to support Democrats. He was wrong then about that and he's wrong now about this. The F-35 is neither a failure of an extravagance. It's cost per airframe over the course of its lifetime are less than the F-16. Drones can't do what the F-35 does. When I see someone talking about how "drones are the future", I know they are ignorant of military matters and haven't a clue about warfare and how it works. Neither does Musk. What Musk is proposing would get enormous numbers of US service people killed in a failed attempt to defend this nation from aggressors. Is Musk really going to help save the US from Democrat Fascists just to turn around and hand us to foreign oppressors?
While I do understand where Musk is coming from, making the transition from piloted fighter jets to drones is going to be a HUGE task. However, I can't fault Must for his efforts in transitioning many other industries like Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, and Starlink, to name a few. Larry in Draper, Utah
HUGE task, eh? You are speaking of the guy who has been landing rockets on their asses for TEN YEARS! No COUNTRY, no company, no other person on earth can yet do that! (and they've been trying). "His efforts in transitioning", are you joking? He CREATED all four of the technologies which you cited. I'm curious....which horseless carriage do you mount?
Mass producered american made drones for the military, using only americam components and being made cheaply would boost the economy. Since fornthe price of 1 f35 you can have thousands of drones made, the distibution of money through the u.s supply chain would be nice.
I don't think Trump wants to decrease Military spending.contrary, He wants a strong one! Elon don't start acting funny. Be humble and focus on your tesla and space x. Let the military handle their business, don't start trash talking now!
He is completely wrong at this time. The drones we are seeing in Ukraine could not compete with the US military and the F-35. Russia would be destroyed utterly in 2 months if the US engaged. But no more expensive big ticket items should be produced until drone swarms are perfected as that is the future.
A huge thanks to Musk for calling out the white elephant and money puzzles called F35. All those in the USAF and DOD who support the F-35 must be shown the door!
Too big on desired capabilities is sort of why it fails prematurely. But perhaps if some of that desired capability could be offloaded to aerial drone platforms that swarm coordinate with the F-35 pilots, then it's not obsolete yet.
Without the aircraft industry with respect to defense making airplanes, where will all the retired generals and higher ups go when they leave the Armed Forces and the government payroll especially if these government contractors play a less significant role in the future. Simultaneously we should be developing the drones and if we aren’t heads should roll. The big defense contractors will do anything to keep this business.
I like Musk and all but he needs to pump his brakes on this one. It's already been developed and put into production. Now looking forward how they blow through research and development funds needs a serious looking into and you never know with all this "advanced" technology they might come to regret blowing up the surplus of "outdated" F-4s.
F-35 suffers from mission creep and mission creeps in the Pentagon and Military Industrial Miasma. Drones and real time satellites will be the final nail in a program that can’t get out of the way of it’s own updates
This is what happens when you have someone who really has no clue how things work. Funny how Elon is in the un manned vehicle business, wonder who could get a contract?
Yep. There are freaking hypersonic drones that exist operating on AI with zero human factor other than input a scenario. Why have a slow fighter jet where mistakes can be made? Love the F-35 tho, but soon they’ll just be for show.
Like cruise missles are better than aircraft also , Robots and drones fighting wars but people still need to be on the ground and in the sky.jobs and careers are also needed ,
If 35 has been a boondoggle since the start, I waste of money. But I disagree with Elon on this one. We need human pilots deciding the outcome of war. Israel is the exception, they have modified the f-35 to their advantage, unlike America
Well future battles could it be intense information Wars and I like the human Pilots cannot be hacked. Or better able to respond and adapt his communication minds are cut or Jammed
Can't wait till Elon builds a plane then brags when it is 10x over budget, cannot carry any weapons, but can land on flying rocket platform with a 95% success rate.
For anyone worried about impacts to the stock market. The defense contractor industry actually isn’t that big. Cisco, AWS, IBM, Microsoft, and Alphabet will make over 2/3rds of total defense spending for 2024. Market loses from federal cuts will be made up in grown in energy/tech sectors by themselves. Diversify your portfolio.
I sub'd you guys thinking I will hear straight arrow news. Then today you compare the F-35 to drones used in Ukraine. That's not news, that's just an analysis, poor at that. Musk always comes in late and declare something of his originality. The Pentagon had been working on autonomous wingman jets. That's the first step to autonomous fighter jets.
I see SAN has moved into highly biased territory. Bloomberg news has a more balanced report on the F-35. Fighter jets and disposable drones just aren't comparable. Perhaps a better investment would be to raise taxes on the super rich and create a unit in the IRS to audit them.
Either administration is a mistake. We’re too far into this mess now. The current administration is supporting genocide, embraces the MIC, and forever wars. All we’ve gone is trade one evil for another bc it’s the only options we’re afforded. The real puppet masters make sure of that. I used to be a Democrat back in the day. Today I have no party and didn’t vote for President for the first time in my life. I’m not buying for the so-called lesser of two evils anymore. Evil is still evil.
@@bigvaxmeanie925 If the plumber is named Elon Musk, I certainly would trust him to work on power lines. Keep in mind that Elon Musk got his start as a software engineer, then branched out to electric cars and rocketry. We will ignore the not-so-successful solar panel endeavor.
@@bigvaxmeanie925 Elon Musk also lacked expertise in rocketry. He learned everything from scratch. If Elon Musk can learn rocketry from scratch, he can learn aircraft building from craft.
What he meant was F35 is a perfect example of the military made something simple to become complicated. F35 was built cheap initially till some Airforce General decided that they want a rolls royce engine on it. Instead of adding things to retrogrades instead they delayed and delayed which it lead to this price tag. Go Ask Pelossi, or Cheney or Bush how much money they made off from this.
The F-35 is expensive, but fighter jets and drones serve different functions and they are not interchangeable.
It’s not even that expensive. Cheaper than a new F-15 or a Gripen or Raphale.
@@nathanryweck3137 the African will own you
Hail musk down with americans
United Musk slaves of America
don't bring an f35 to a drone fight
Leon's right about this one. The F-35 was the most successful corporate welfare program in history.
Jack if all trades master of none.... is still better then a master of 1.
F35 was extremely costly but the best manned fighter jet in the world and it will be for a long time. Drones should be developed though.
So, you want it both ways.
*than
They won't be able to get enough qualified pilots, given the decline in standards in the military.
dude... look at the swarm of 15 thousand Chinese drones with explosive capability. how many would it take to take down the f35 do ya think? they arent effected by Gs and so on. it may literally be obsolete, and if it is, musk is the person who would know.....
I respect Musk, but he is going to chap a lot of asses with statements like this. I hope he knows what he's doing.
He’s not wrong though I don’t see more wouldn’t be agreeing with him lmao Ukraine has shown what the future of warfare looks like, cheap $30 drone if even, taking out multi million dollar pieces of sophisticated equipment and even more lives on top of it. It’s happening en masse in Ukraine.
stockholders won't be happy either. Lots of 401K's holding stock in defense companies.
He is talking out of his lane. Where is FSD and robotaxis? It’s him that should apply FSD to military drones and then talk.
@@KevinWebb are you kidding , Musk is right just think how many f35s have fell out the sky.
He’s a genius disrupter and the society needs more people like him who challenge the status quo.
Unless a drone can avoid radar detection and fly faster than Mach 1, it cannot survive an aerial dogfight. A fully armed fighter jet headed for the U.S. mainland can only be intercepted by another fighter jet.
Who the fcck doing ariel dogfight nowdays? most fighter jets ariel battle ended 50 - 100km before they even see each other.
Strawman.
lol you think it would be hard to make a drone that can do that? we have missiles that travel over 15 thousand miles per hour, can adjust course during flight, and send 12 warheads to 12 dif targets up to a thousand miles apart... lol whats making a drone that can dog fight and fly mach 1? nothing. especially if they are piloted by people remotely. now take into account the positives like the fact a drone piloted remotely has no effect from G's, and the fact if one gets shot down, the dude can just go get another one and jump back into the combat. this is the future
At any given time less than 30% are available for use. The rest are down for maintenance. That is a horrible track record for $100 million plane
Cheap swarms of FSD cybertrucks loaded with switchblades...the paradigm shift is here.
Yeah totally agree that the F-35 program was a complete boondoggle and way to expensive. Anything DOGE and whoever ends up heading up DOD, hopefully Hegseth. Can do to bring the defense budget and spending under control, great! Due respect to Mr. Musk, there is a place for drones and for crewed fighters in modern combat. Each have their own specific and very vital jobs to do.
😂 That's precious. Israel has made fantastic use of them. Most of this information is out of date.
Elon didn't even imply that fantastic use was impossible, he just pointed out the reasons (all valid) why it's inherently stupid and overpriced.
@@LegendaryInfortainment The price has come down below F-15 prices hence why it's out of date. Please go educate yourself before defending ignorant idiocy.
@@NinjaRunningWild - You didn't need to prove in advance that your ability to breathe is being severely impaired by the placement of your head in a very unsanitary location.
Did you understand any two of Elon's consecutive words? Price has a very small part to play in technical obsolescence.
My DI taught me the ASS-U-ME metric forty years ago, and I understood it perfectly. How about you?
@@NinjaRunningWild Nah - cut the program. It's wasteful and does not further the interests of the USA.
@LegendaryInfortainment Exactly. Israel used the F-35 to destroy Iran's air defense system without detection while suffering no losses.
7th straight FAILED AUDIT By department of defense.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Also parroting Kremlin talking points. Too bad a chump with a track record of dismissing inspectors whose facts hurt his feelings got elected.
Ehh i dont think trump is gonna allow this
tf does he know about military technologies
I like his approach to questioning long held programs, but this one is the beast. It is likely the most expensive weapons program in human history. He'll be fighting titans.
As much as I respect what Elon Musk has accomplished with Space X, I don't trust him to understand our military. With his bias for AI and autonomous driving I expect next he will be denigrating soldiers and calling for them to be replaced with robots. I am leery of Musk being in control of aspects of government, but hopefully my doubts will be unfounded.
What happen to the F-22?
Was that a waste of money too?
Next generation fighter jets will have the option to be remote controlled, but saying drones are the way forward is not going to last beyond the technology to jam the drones from a mile away comes along and completely wipes a fleet of drones out. Tech exists now to jam one drone at a time out from visual view, this will only expand until u reach jam shields and similar
Musk doesn't understand aerial warfare or the F-35. America needs to be strong to be great.
I'm sure understands much better than you might think. I do not agree the f-35 is obsolete I believe we have many uses for it in the future. I do agree with the drone comment bc it is true we are in the future it's time we prepare like it. China has swarms of drones we on the other hand do not and should invest higher into drones.
No - i'm sorry Musk is correct. It's too wasteful.
It's NO A-10 Warthog!! The morons on the hill have been trying to get rid of one of THE best Fighter Planes the USA has EVER produced PERIOD!! It was designed for ONE thing and it does it better than ANY other Airframe out there!! It's also no Apache, or Ma Deuce, or M1A1 Abrams. I know that a Grunts BEST Friend is that BBBBRRRRRTTTTT when the chips are down and the ground pounders need close air support!!
@@DonKeecocked You don't know what you're talking about.
You just let some propaganda bot pour a bunch of nonsense into your head.
@@damonwilks8799 You should remember that Musk used to support Democrats. He was wrong then about that and he's wrong now about this.
The F-35 is neither a failure of an extravagance. It's cost per airframe over the course of its lifetime are less than the F-16.
Drones can't do what the F-35 does.
When I see someone talking about how "drones are the future", I know they are ignorant of military matters and haven't a clue about warfare and how it works.
Neither does Musk.
What Musk is proposing would get enormous numbers of US service people killed in a failed attempt to defend this nation from aggressors.
Is Musk really going to help save the US from Democrat Fascists just to turn around and hand us to foreign oppressors?
That’s… that’s not how that works my guy.
While I do understand where Musk is coming from, making the transition from piloted fighter jets to drones is going to be a HUGE task. However, I can't fault Must for his efforts in transitioning many other industries like Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, and Starlink, to name a few.
Larry in Draper, Utah
HUGE task, eh? You are speaking of the guy who has been landing rockets on their asses for TEN YEARS! No COUNTRY, no company, no other person on earth can yet do that!
(and they've been trying). "His efforts in transitioning", are you joking? He CREATED all four of the technologies which you cited. I'm curious....which horseless carriage do you
mount?
Transitioning Starlink to an illegal immigrant billionaire's plaything until the Pentagon took back control of our national security, too.
Mass producered american made drones for the military, using only americam components and being made cheaply would boost the economy. Since fornthe price of 1 f35 you can have thousands of drones made, the distibution of money through the u.s supply chain would be nice.
Drones don’t blackout at high g’s.
And Tesla auto pilot just kill a pedestrian a few days ago.🤔
they will when it gets hacked over hostile territory and quickly becomes the enemy's new private IP (intellectual property).
Drones are the future. The technology to utilize them, and defeat them will continue apace.
who would win? 1 35 million dollar f35 or 1000 cheap ass drones simply maneuvering into it's flight path?
Mr. Musk. After 38 years in Defense, and after serving in the Army, with all due respect please stick to cars and spacecraft.
that's not an argument
@spmadeinusa4594 after 38 years...thank you for your service.....now move over and watch
I don't think Trump wants to decrease Military spending.contrary, He wants a strong one!
Elon don't start acting funny. Be humble and focus on your tesla and space x. Let the military handle their business, don't start trash talking now!
Jesus, Elon's gonna get himself assassinated... errr I mean accidentally fall out a high window.
He’s not wrong. The F-35 was a product of post-Cold War priorities with a one-size-fits-all approach. Priorities are different now.
Hello, Skynet.
But Lockheed Martin is raking in billions on the defense contract. That's more important.
Hes not wrong
He's only mostly wrong.
He is completely wrong at this time. The drones we are seeing in Ukraine could not compete with the US military and the F-35. Russia would be destroyed utterly in 2 months if the US engaged. But no more expensive big ticket items should be produced until drone swarms are perfected as that is the future.
What was it that Rooster said and Maverick points out?
Rooster: it's not about the plane, it's about the pilot.
Maverick: Exactly!!!
A huge thanks to Musk for calling out the white elephant and money puzzles called F35. All those in the USAF and DOD who support the F-35 must be shown the door!
Elon needs to get his companies out of China!
I mean... he is not wrong.
Send the designers over to the Spacecraft program..
This won’t make the right happy.
Elon is 100% right
As a former soldier who served in multiple combat operations, I totally agree with Musk.
So you're not a pilot?
@@darkzealot88 and men should not be able to have an opinion on abortion, too. LOL
@@EddieBryant how many hours do you have in an A-10?
@@alberta6368 How many hours do you have in an F-35?
@@darkzealot88 and you are what? a walmart employee?
Dude really compared a Ferrari to the F35
Like hey, on a war zone, let me get the 3 f35s up whine the other 7 are down for maintenance
Yes!
He's right, and he's more than qualified to know best - SpaceX. It's another pentagon give-away to Lockheed
DOGE is nothing but austerity measures. Any government looking to cut trillions from its budget is engaging in austerity measures
Pilots in the F35 could control the drones?
Yep that’s the plan
Pentagon/DoD had been testing autonomous wingman for F35 to use/command.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_combat_aircraft
Too big on desired capabilities is sort of why it fails prematurely. But perhaps if some of that desired capability could be offloaded to aerial drone platforms that swarm coordinate with the F-35 pilots, then it's not obsolete yet.
Without the aircraft industry with respect to defense making airplanes, where will all the retired generals and higher ups go when they leave the Armed Forces and the government payroll especially if these government contractors play a less significant role in the future. Simultaneously we should be developing the drones and if we aren’t heads should roll. The big defense contractors will do anything to keep this business.
Do away with the entire thing please 👍🏽
Nailing all the program faults at the most basic level. How entirely unsurprising.
RIP manned fighters
Elon stop foreign aid
I like Musk and all but he needs to pump his brakes on this one. It's already been developed and put into production. Now looking forward how they blow through research and development funds needs a serious looking into and you never know with all this "advanced" technology they might come to regret blowing up the surplus of "outdated" F-4s.
F-35 suffers from mission creep and mission creeps in the Pentagon and Military Industrial Miasma.
Drones and real time satellites will be the final nail in a program that can’t get out of the way of it’s own updates
Musk needs to stay in his lane
This is what happens when you have someone who really has no clue how things work. Funny how Elon is in the un manned vehicle business, wonder who could get a contract?
Yep. There are freaking hypersonic drones that exist operating on AI with zero human factor other than input a scenario. Why have a slow fighter jet where mistakes can be made? Love the F-35 tho, but soon they’ll just be for show.
Oh…it’s on, like Donkey Kong.
Musk needs to stick to his area of expertise. He knows ZERO about anything to do with the military or foreign affairs.
I can see what's coming, United States of Trump casino, Dept of Tesla X, etc,.😊
Like cruise missles are better than aircraft also , Robots and drones fighting wars but people still need to be on the ground and in the sky.jobs and careers are also needed ,
If 35 has been a boondoggle since the start, I waste of money. But I disagree with Elon on this one. We need human pilots deciding the outcome of war.
Israel is the exception, they have modified the f-35 to their advantage, unlike America
PALANTIR !!!
Dead right
Go Musk!
Well future battles could it be intense information Wars and I like the human Pilots cannot be hacked. Or better able to respond and adapt his communication minds are cut or Jammed
Elon Musk is the new Dick Cheney!
Can't wait till Elon builds a plane then brags when it is 10x over budget, cannot carry any weapons, but can land on flying rocket platform with a 95% success rate.
For anyone worried about impacts to the stock market. The defense contractor industry actually isn’t that big. Cisco, AWS, IBM, Microsoft, and Alphabet will make over 2/3rds of total defense spending for 2024. Market loses from federal cuts will be made up in grown in energy/tech sectors by themselves. Diversify your portfolio.
So I guess we only go to war on Sundays now, lol
I sub'd you guys thinking I will hear straight arrow news. Then today you compare the F-35 to drones used in Ukraine. That's not news, that's just an analysis, poor at that.
Musk always comes in late and declare something of his originality. The Pentagon had been working on autonomous wingman jets. That's the first step to autonomous fighter jets.
Just like the idiots, that’s still tryna go to mars….
I see SAN has moved into highly biased territory. Bloomberg news has a more balanced report on the F-35. Fighter jets and disposable drones just aren't comparable. Perhaps a better investment would be to raise taxes on the super rich and create a unit in the IRS to audit them.
Yes normal response, raise taxes on someone. Let's just make all income no matter how small or large taxable , 100%
They just reported facts. Exactly which part of the report made you think they were biased?
Mind your business Musk.
too big to fail ha yeah they said something similar about the Titanic
America just now realizing the massive mistake it made on Nov 5th 2024
Go back to sleep.
cry more
Okay green hair
Either administration is a mistake. We’re too far into this mess now. The current administration is supporting genocide, embraces the MIC, and forever wars. All we’ve gone is trade one evil for another bc it’s the only options we’re afforded. The real puppet masters make sure of that. I used to be a Democrat back in the day. Today I have no party and didn’t vote for President for the first time in my life. I’m not buying for the so-called lesser of two evils anymore. Evil is still evil.
The only massive mistake of Nov 5th was Kamala. Even now, Democrats are pondering why Kamala was appointed, instead of being voted upon.
That’s way too much influence for a person that no one voted for to have. 😓
This is not new. Cabinet members are not elected by the people.
Let me guess, elon is going to say he can make better jets and demand a billion dollar contract?
If Elon Musk can do for jets, what he did for rocketry, then I say open the checkbook.
@lambertlum1087 sending stuff into space and building combat aircraft are two different categories bud.
Do you hire plumbers to work on power lines?
@@bigvaxmeanie925 If the plumber is named Elon Musk, I certainly would trust him to work on power lines. Keep in mind that Elon Musk got his start as a software engineer, then branched out to electric cars and rocketry. We will ignore the not-so-successful solar panel endeavor.
@lambertlum1087 that's nice. His resume appears to be missing any expertise in aviation.
Hes not qualified
@@bigvaxmeanie925 Elon Musk also lacked expertise in rocketry. He learned everything from scratch. If Elon Musk can learn rocketry from scratch, he can learn aircraft building from craft.
Elon is the pure definition of greed.
You could actually address what he said instead of just shamelessly admitting that you're jealous
@European-Man-88 so how does elon know how the F35 works without having access to classified information?
What he meant was F35 is a perfect example of the military made something simple to become complicated. F35 was built cheap initially till some Airforce General decided that they want a rolls royce engine on it. Instead of adding things to retrogrades instead they delayed and delayed which it lead to this price tag. Go Ask Pelossi, or Cheney or Bush how much money they made off from this.
I CAN UNDERSTAN MUSKS THOUGHTS. BUT, AMERICA WILL ALWAYS NEED MANNED FIGHTER AIRCRAFT.
True. Drones, missile defense system are the future . Recruits P.c/mobile Gamers for drone battalion❤