Thank you for this video. I just added this little hack to my lineman's belt. Up until this year, all I did was tie bowline loops at the end of some climbing rope and when I got to the tree I was gonna hang a stand in, just tie an overhand loop in the rope to adjust it to the length I needed. As soon as I got done hanging my stands I would take the knot out. Adding the prusik loop this year made things so much easier. And now with your little hack, hanging stands in the future is going to be a breeze.
Hooooolllllyyyyyyu $h!t. That is a gaaaaammmmmmeeee changer. Thanks so much for saving me $50 cause I’ve been wanting in for awhile. Making that tonight!!
Found out just yesterday that a SMALL DIAMETER tree and a Ropeman Ascender is a BAD COMBINATION, and all the deer blowing at my noise instantly reminded me of this great tip that I’d unfortunately seen AFTER I’d already started using the Ropeman. You live and learn. Thanks for the tip!
One other advantage to a Prusik over a Ropeman is strength in a fall. In an ideal situation where you never have any slack in your rope, either is plenty strong. But if you ever have slack and fall on a static line, it can generate high peak forces very quickly. The Ropeman is known to de-sheath or completely sever the rope at around 4 kN, which could theoretically be reached with just a few feet of falling on a static rope.
Great video !! Made three of them yesterday, one for my son`s harness, one for myself and one for our stand hanging harness. The first two I used 1/4 inch cord for the tender and they worked great. The lineman rope on the stand hanging harness is older and a larger diameter than the other two, the 1/4 inch cord tender dug in and didn't slid as nicely as the other two. I made a new tender out of 3/8 inch rope for the larger diameter lineman rope, it didn't bind as much and slid alot easier than the smaller cord. Thanks for saving me $150
I went from a 4 loop down to a 2 loop and added this little tender and it made my lineman's belt actually manageable. Going to add to my 2nd line for getting over limbs. On my first climb with sticks there were many limbs and I couldn't get the prusic to meet go and I was so frustrated. Thanks for the advice.
Thank you so much. I was not wanting to spend the money on ascenders, but I was really frustrated with how cumbersome prusik's are. Now I know I just wasn't using Prusik's correctly. and they are nice and quiet.
I know that I am a year and a half late to this video, but it is obviously still relevant. I am about to order a Tethrd saddle, probably the Eberhart Special Saddle (ESS) and was thinking about adding the rope man later after watching a couple of his videos. I like this idea that you have and will have to give it a try when I am able to after receiving my saddle. Thanks for sharing this, even if you didn't show how to tie the tender, but one can figure that out. Scouting season for deer is now upon us, even though I was doing so while turkey hunting and checking out new areas.
I use the Michoacán hitch for something like this and it works awesome because it can be released under a full load... same for a tether. A prusik like this one in the video would be a bear to release under full load. Hitches are typically considered more reliable than mechanicals also. But I do love my CT Roll-n-Lock lol.
I was struggling with this and then saw a video where someone put a pulley on to tend their prusik. I tried that and on the process discovered all I needed to do was put the tail of my lineman through the carabiner connected to my prusik and it works just like your set up with no additional parts!
That's what I'm talking about!... this new tethrd rope I got didn't Have a prusik aider and was driving me freaking crazy! Thank you nate! Will give this a go. My aero saddle came with one built in to it. I was going to just go buy a new aero rope but I'll try this first. Thank you sir.. Cabell believe this video is 2 yrs old
Thanks! I don't have $45 to spend or save. Been climbing and sitting in trees for years without anything. Just a fact of life in some parts of the world. I recently got some rope and a few carabiners given to me. I will use this information and I'm sure my wife will be happy.
Thanks very much for this video! I used paracord for my tender. When connected with a Prusik knot I found it would bind when used as a tether for my tree saddle when loaded with my wright. I switched to a Schwabisch knot and it resolved this, and was much easier to adjust after loading. While this only holds in one direction, it works well for a linesman's belt or tether.
Nice video. You can also achieve the same result by feeding the tag of your lineman rope through your carabiner. That's what I do and it works great for me
I gave this a go this afternoon on a new Climber and it worked perfectly on my way up. I decided to face away from the tree to take in the view, but I noticed that the line was wrapped in such a way that it wouldn't allow the prusik to grab and it just slid. So my immediate note to self was to only keep the line inside the carabiner while I was climbing facing the tree, then take it out when I reached the appropriate height. Still a great tip. And thanks for the informative videos.
The 8 mm hitchcord bought in bulk is a good bargain. However a person for safety purposes has to be able to know knot tieing. The hitch I tie is the Michoacon which breaks & holds better in both directions. The knot I tie to attach to my carabiner is called a Hunters Bend. Just have to make sure the tag ends r around 3" & that the Hunters Bend is dressed in the right configuration. I would never use a Ropeman. The poor man's ascender works great & u won't have wear & tear from teeth on your lanyard.
I agree with xarrow81, everything I've ever bought with the Prusik already on it has 3 loops on each side, I thought that was a must for the principal workings of the Prusik knot. But none the less, thank you for the video, I'm going to try it with my 6 loop knot...
Outstanding!!! I paused your video, made up one of these loops out of paracord and tested it. Absolutely amazing how well it works and it saved me $45. I actually cancelled an order that I had just placed for a Ropeman 1, after watching your video. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for the video. Your strap tender with the 2 metal loops looked like it worked better and I think if you were to sew the strap to itself and only used 1 loop it might still work well and then would not have the metal on metal sound. Your thoughts?
I’ve seen some guys do this but my take on it is I always want the carabiner to be pulled by my main line in one direction and not introduce a feedback loop that could incidentally side load the carabiner. With how cheap a tender is to make, I think it’s worth the investment.
Great video! Thanks for the info. I have question. Are you using a single point of attachment for your linesman rope on the front of your rock climbing harness like in the video or was that just for demonstration. I'd like to go with a single point connection, but wasn't sure how it would work. Thanks!
Nope! That's not a demo that's how I run it! The only issue I ever ran into was a "pinching" of the lineman's belt over top of my climbing sticks as it comes to that one attachment point and not to either hip. But with a little practice I figured it out in no time.
It seems your showing 2 different linesmen ropes. 1 of them has 3 wraps on the Prusik (The one over your neck) but the one your using to demonstrate only has 2 wraps on the Prusik. Is there a reason why? Which do you use with the tender? 3 wraps or 2 wraps on the Prusik?
90$ is as cheap as I can find a Ropeman 1 here in Canada......not gonna happen! The tender is the answer, plus quiet as can be, and that plus the weight advantages make it the tool for my saddle
Hey, I'm not a lineman at all, but I do work with rope during high angle rescue scenarios. I was wondering why you would care about your system being quiet. What is the problem with a few of your metal parts making noise on your tender? Is is a preference or is there a reason behind it?
Seems my Prusik always locks up so tight that it won’t adjust with a tender. I end up having to unload the knot and loosen it with my hands to get it to move. I find the same happens a with a distal hitch on my tether.
You need to put one more loop in that prusik so it has six count at least to be considered a true prusik they say it's not as safe just having one made with two loops around your linemans belt or any rope.
You are correct! I took out one loop to over-exaggerate the size disparity of the tender vs the prusik length. I neglected to say so in the video. Thanks!
It's all good dude just thought I would point it out so people know if they don't already. Not trying to be a butt hole or anything...lol good luck this season I've watched you for 3 years right after I started getting serious with a bow and you have help me a lot.... I just used a little paracord and made me a prusik tender, it helps a lot and way easy to make! Thanks man and good luck to us all. You have any tips for a limb wi6a hairline crack going down the side? Hasn't affected my bow to much but definitely want to do something till get limbs replaced or get a new one.
@@averagejackarchery I’m transitioning from 4 sticks down to the one stick method and might go that route. Those other hitches release to much easier than the prusik does on my tether
I tried tenders but I am too fat. I use a pair of ropeman's. There were too many times my hitches cinched up too tight for one handed operation. From what I understand this works fine for sub 200# guys.
Or just use a double prusik...one on each side allows one handed operation under load. Main difference is pulling down instead of pulling up with a tender. Nice vid. Though
@@averagejackarchery I just grabbed my stuff and tried it. IT WORKS! If you haven’t tried that knot you should try it out. They release a little easier but still hold under load just the same
If you took a d-ring out of your kids webbing, and sewed it to the other side, that would be a pretty neat little solution too. If you make one and it works, send me one :)
Why not just use a cam strap? It's cheap and plenty strong enough to lean on and one handed operation. I also use a cam strap bridge, it has a 500 lb working load and it's cheap, plenty strong to hang from and one handed operation. I use a 11 mm rope to tether and repel from but I'd use a strap for that to but my mad rock won't work with strap.
You'll find the end of the carabiner is too wide and won't get a good push and loosening of the prusik. The knot will just slip into the carabiner. The smaller diameter of a tender ring/rope loop is much better suited.
Thank you for this video. I just added this little hack to my lineman's belt. Up until this year, all I did was tie bowline loops at the end of some climbing rope and when I got to the tree I was gonna hang a stand in, just tie an overhand loop in the rope to adjust it to the length I needed. As soon as I got done hanging my stands I would take the knot out. Adding the prusik loop this year made things so much easier. And now with your little hack, hanging stands in the future is going to be a breeze.
Hooooolllllyyyyyyu $h!t. That is a gaaaaammmmmmeeee changer. Thanks so much for saving me $50 cause I’ve been wanting in for awhile. Making that tonight!!
Me too.
Found out just yesterday that a SMALL DIAMETER tree and a Ropeman Ascender is a BAD COMBINATION, and all the deer blowing at my noise instantly reminded me of this great tip that I’d unfortunately seen AFTER I’d already started using the Ropeman. You live and learn. Thanks for the tip!
One other advantage to a Prusik over a Ropeman is strength in a fall. In an ideal situation where you never have any slack in your rope, either is plenty strong. But if you ever have slack and fall on a static line, it can generate high peak forces very quickly. The Ropeman is known to de-sheath or completely sever the rope at around 4 kN, which could theoretically be reached with just a few feet of falling on a static rope.
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Great video !! Made three of them yesterday, one for my son`s harness, one for myself and one for our stand hanging harness. The first two I used 1/4 inch cord for the tender and they worked great. The lineman rope on the stand hanging harness is older and a larger diameter than the other two, the 1/4 inch cord tender dug in and didn't slid as nicely as the other two. I made a new tender out of 3/8 inch rope for the larger diameter lineman rope, it didn't bind as much and slid alot easier than the smaller cord. Thanks for saving me $150
Glad it worked out for you!!!
I went from a 4 loop down to a 2 loop and added this little tender and it made my lineman's belt actually manageable. Going to add to my 2nd line for getting over limbs. On my first climb with sticks there were many limbs and I couldn't get the prusic to meet go and I was so frustrated. Thanks for the advice.
Just found your videos. I really like your thoughts about staying economical, light, and quiet. Keep them coming 👍
Thank you so much. I was not wanting to spend the money on ascenders, but I was really frustrated with how cumbersome prusik's are. Now I know I just wasn't using Prusik's correctly. and they are nice and quiet.
I know that I am a year and a half late to this video, but it is obviously still relevant. I am about to order a Tethrd saddle, probably the Eberhart Special Saddle (ESS) and was thinking about adding the rope man later after watching a couple of his videos. I like this idea that you have and will have to give it a try when I am able to after receiving my saddle. Thanks for sharing this, even if you didn't show how to tie the tender, but one can figure that out. Scouting season for deer is now upon us, even though I was doing so while turkey hunting and checking out new areas.
I use the Michoacán hitch for something like this and it works awesome because it can be released under a full load... same for a tether. A prusik like this one in the video would be a bear to release under full load. Hitches are typically considered more reliable than mechanicals also. But I do love my CT Roll-n-Lock lol.
I was struggling with this and then saw a video where someone put a pulley on to tend their prusik. I tried that and on the process discovered all I needed to do was put the tail of my lineman through the carabiner connected to my prusik and it works just like your set up with no additional parts!
Rod, I too use the carabiner as the tender. It works like a charm and nothing to addon to the system.
Wow, I'm very impressed with this idea, I was just going to order a ropeman 1, but not anymore. I'm going to try this out!
Seriously, share it with all your hunting buddies and help them too save the cash!!!
Excellent tip on not grabbing the Prusik knot. I didn’t know that. Thanks!
That's what I'm talking about!... this new tethrd rope I got didn't Have a prusik aider and was driving me freaking crazy! Thank you nate! Will give this a go. My aero saddle came with one built in to it. I was going to just go buy a new aero rope but I'll try this first. Thank you sir.. Cabell believe this video is 2 yrs old
check out jrb tree climbing hes got some interesting stuff
Great tip Jack! Thanks for the info. Gonna put it on my Tethrd lines.
Nice little trick with the tender. Thank you.
Wow, one of the most useful videos I've ever seen ! Thank you !!!!
Thanks! I don't have $45 to spend or save. Been climbing and sitting in trees for years without anything. Just a fact of life in some parts of the world. I recently got some rope and a few carabiners given to me. I will use this information and I'm sure my wife will be happy.
Nice to see you posting.
Thanks very much for this video!
I used paracord for my tender. When connected with a Prusik knot I found it would bind when used as a tether for my tree saddle when loaded with my wright. I switched to a Schwabisch knot and it resolved this, and was much easier to adjust after loading. While this only holds in one direction, it works well for a linesman's belt or tether.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Used a piece of clothes line and a bowline knot. Thank you!!
Just what I was looking for . Thank you
Great budget saving tip!
Like the infamous Wile E. Coyote…. you sir are a SUPER GENIUS, and no Acme products to buy!!!
You are a god among men for this
Great idea my man, I'm in on this idea👌
I just tried this on my crappy muddy linemen’s rope...... you’re the man👍🏻
Thank you for posting this video! I always struggle with my lineman’s belt with a prusik knot
Nice video. You can also achieve the same result by feeding the tag of your lineman rope through your carabiner. That's what I do and it works great for me
Never thought of that! Slick!
I gave this a go this afternoon on a new Climber and it worked perfectly on my way up. I decided to face away from the tree to take in the view, but I noticed that the line was wrapped in such a way that it wouldn't allow the prusik to grab and it just slid. So my immediate note to self was to only keep the line inside the carabiner while I was climbing facing the tree, then take it out when I reached the appropriate height. Still a great tip. And thanks for the informative videos.
Very cool. My lineman’s rope has 2 beners one of each side. I notice this has one and a knot on the other.
That's genius! Can't wait to try this out thanks!
Wish I would have known about this years ago.thanks
Dude, thank you for making this vid! I'm doing this to my gear once I get home haha.
My goodness. I’m a few years late but thank you for this! Just as effective and significantly cheaper!
This is an insanely smart helpful idea, Thanks
That's great and your excellent speaker! Thanks for sharing!!!
Great Video, excellent demo and explanation. Cheers.
The 8 mm hitchcord bought in bulk is a good bargain. However a person for safety purposes has to be able to know knot tieing. The hitch I tie is the Michoacon which breaks & holds better in both directions. The knot I tie to attach to my carabiner is called a Hunters Bend. Just have to make sure the tag ends r around 3" & that the Hunters Bend is dressed in the right configuration. I would never use a Ropeman. The poor man's ascender works great & u won't have wear & tear from teeth on your lanyard.
Just awesome info! glad to see this now
3:58 Prusik tender... Great Idea.
Great idea! I'll try this out on my setup
Nice shirt Jack 😂 God bless you bro! Great tip! Saving money and weight thats a winner.
Hay Jack what do you think of this ua-cam.com/video/LFJ1JPuz3t8/v-deo.html its the pro Tracker. Do you know if this thing works?
hey, brother Im not sure but everything that I read is that its a most to have 3 loops on each side of the prusik you have two on each side.
I agree with xarrow81, everything I've ever bought with the Prusik already on it has 3 loops on each side, I thought that was a must for the principal workings of the Prusik knot. But none the less, thank you for the video, I'm going to try it with my 6 loop knot...
try the tender with a distel or klemheist hitch, they release much easier than the prusik hitch
I'll have to give that a shot! Thanks!
I hear the distel hitch works great.
Great video. I wish you showed how you made the prusik tender.
Make a loop of cord. Tie the loop over itself with an overhand knot. Done.
This is a great tip. Thanks !
Great video! Can you make a video on HOW to make it?
Thanks
Rather than the tender, you can run the tail end of the rope through your carabiner and do the same thing by just lifting the rope in the same way.
Awesome video! Keepem coming brother!
Thank you!
Thank you.
Great video!
Great system, but always a good idea to have three coils (6 total) in your prussic, you only have two in the one in the video.
You are correct! I made that mistake and have since rectified it. Thank you!!!
@@averagejackarchery Good to hear, keep up the good work.
Outstanding!!! I paused your video, made up one of these loops out of paracord and tested it. Absolutely amazing how well it works and it saved me $45. I actually cancelled an order that I had just placed for a Ropeman 1, after watching your video. Thank you!!!
That is awesome Genius, I like it specially the price, thanks for the info
love the shirt thank you for the video!
Thank you so much for the video. Your strap tender with the 2 metal loops looked like it worked better and I think if you were to sew the strap to itself and only used 1 loop it might still work well and then would not have the metal on metal sound. Your thoughts?
Yup, would work really well!
I love it. Thanks for the great info.
Great idea
Is there a disadvantage to feeding the loose end of the rope back through the carabiner and have the carabiner move the prusik forward?
I’ve seen some guys do this but my take on it is I always want the carabiner to be pulled by my main line in one direction and not introduce a feedback loop that could incidentally side load the carabiner. With how cheap a tender is to make, I think it’s worth the investment.
What can I do to prevent wet rope slipping when one sticking and repel with my mad rock safeguard? I was going to back the safeguard up.
Add a key chain hoop to your white line will give you a smoother pull.
Great video! Thanks for the info. I have question. Are you using a single point of attachment for your linesman rope on the front of your rock climbing harness like in the video or was that just for demonstration. I'd like to go with a single point connection, but wasn't sure how it would work. Thanks!
Nope! That's not a demo that's how I run it! The only issue I ever ran into was a "pinching" of the lineman's belt over top of my climbing sticks as it comes to that one attachment point and not to either hip. But with a little practice I figured it out in no time.
@@averagejackarchery Thanks I appreciate the info! Blessings!
It seems your showing 2 different linesmen ropes. 1 of them has 3 wraps on the Prusik (The one over your neck) but the one your using to demonstrate only has 2 wraps on the Prusik. Is there a reason why? Which do you use with the tender? 3 wraps or 2 wraps on the Prusik?
Cool. Thanks.
Well that’s awesome.
Great video, you just saved me some money!
90$ is as cheap as I can find a Ropeman 1 here in Canada......not gonna happen! The tender is the answer, plus quiet as can be, and that plus the weight advantages make it the tool for my saddle
Great tip.
Hey, I'm not a lineman at all, but I do work with rope during high angle rescue scenarios. I was wondering why you would care about your system being quiet. What is the problem with a few of your metal parts making noise on your tender? Is is a preference or is there a reason behind it?
This is strictly for hunting purposes. Where noise level is paramount. For regular lineman's though noise isn't an issue!
Seems my Prusik always locks up so tight that it won’t adjust with a tender. I end up having to unload the knot and loosen it with my hands to get it to move. I find the same happens a with a distal hitch on my tether.
check out jrb tree climbing hes got an interesting friction hitch
Excellent
Man you saved me money thank u
How do I tie those loops
You need to put one more loop in that prusik so it has six count at least to be considered a true prusik they say it's not as safe just having one made with two loops around your linemans belt or any rope.
You are correct! I took out one loop to over-exaggerate the size disparity of the tender vs the prusik length. I neglected to say so in the video. Thanks!
It's all good dude just thought I would point it out so people know if they don't already. Not trying to be a butt hole or anything...lol good luck this season I've watched you for 3 years right after I started getting serious with a bow and you have help me a lot.... I just used a little paracord and made me a prusik tender, it helps a lot and way easy to make! Thanks man and good luck to us all. You have any tips for a limb wi6a hairline crack going down the side? Hasn't affected my bow to much but definitely want to do something till get limbs replaced or get a new one.
If you feed your tag end from the top of your carabineer down, and pull away from you, it will do the same thing with no extra gear or gadgets.
So you have to feed all 30 feet of your tag end to your linesmen rope threw that little hole ?
Your lineman's belt should only be about 8ft long at the most. And no, just the remaining 2-3 feet of tag end.
Amazing!!!
Have you tried another hitch like the distel or schwabisch with a micro pulley?
I have not!
@@averagejackarchery I’m transitioning from 4 sticks down to the one stick method and might go that route. Those other hitches release to much easier than the prusik does on my tether
Thought Prussics have 6 loops. Does that make a difference.
I've run a tender with 4, 6, and 8 loops with success.
This is new to me. Will rain effect a prusik in any way?
It can, yes. But it would take an absolute soaking. If anything, it might actually bind tighter due to the slicker feel.
I tried tenders but I am too fat. I use a pair of ropeman's. There were too many times my hitches cinched up too tight for one handed operation. From what I understand this works fine for sub 200# guys.
I'm a solid 220 in street clothes. Easily 235# with a full pack. Still works great.
thank for the idea one hand prussik
Wow genius
Good education
awesome channel
I like it.
Or just use a double prusik...one on each side allows one handed operation under load. Main difference is pulling down instead of pulling up with a tender. Nice vid. Though
Great idea and saves $50!
Seems like you could use another carabiner
Awesome
Does the tender work with a shcwabish knot?
I have no idea. Lol.
@@averagejackarchery I just grabbed my stuff and tried it. IT WORKS! If you haven’t tried that knot you should try it out. They release a little easier but still hold under load just the same
Thank you i mean
If you took a d-ring out of your kids webbing, and sewed it to the other side, that would be a pretty neat little solution too. If you make one and it works, send me one :)
I want to special thank you for saving me 40 to 50$ with the handed prussik operation
Why not just use a cam strap? It's cheap and plenty strong enough to lean on and one handed operation. I also use a cam strap bridge, it has a 500 lb working load and it's cheap, plenty strong to hang from and one handed operation. I use a 11 mm rope to tether and repel from but I'd use a strap for that to but my mad rock won't work with strap.
Just use a micro pulley to tend the hitch.
Why can’t you just run the tag end of your lanyard through the carabiner?
You'll find the end of the carabiner is too wide and won't get a good push and loosening of the prusik. The knot will just slip into the carabiner. The smaller diameter of a tender ring/rope loop is much better suited.
Thankyou. Save me some CASH broku! Now I do not need that ropeman I did not wanna buy XD