@@esgee3829 There's no reason why the island itself shouldn't continue to be called Great Britain. However, the country currently called The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland may require a rebrand …
Jay going out on to a street shouting, ringing a bell and wearing a ridiculous costume to make a 10 second gag is the kind of confidence I aspire to have
I'm not sure if I'm getting wooshed here, but they do all their scenes in front of a green screen and then put a stock background. I've almost never seen them outside before.
The other critical difference between Columbus and Vespucci is that there are a lot of historians who think Vespucci was lying. The area of coastline he claimed to have explored includes the mouth of the Amazon, a truly collosal geographic feature that he just didn't bother to mention. This has led to the theory that Vespucci never actually went to the New World, instead basing his account on plagiarized portions of other today-forgotten explorers' accounts.
Yes! I had read about this too. I think hte first map of the New World was drawn by the Northern Spanish cartographer Juan de la Cosa (it could be translated as John of the Thing) who had actually been to the new world and did a pretty good job. He is said to also be aware that it was indeed a new continent, but when trying to name it, he was aware that "the Thing" would never catch and so didn't name the new landmass
The complete list of potential new names for the U.S.A. (For those of you who missed it) North Mexico Hot Canada The Republic Kingdom The United States of Columbus The Fifty Appalachia Greater New England Big Country Freedonia Worse Britain Chad 2 Vespuccio Our Graham Law and Order Republic of Rodeo Pacifica The Crazy World of Arthur Brown Woking Butter Dish The United States of Sub-par Railways (USSR) North of America Cooperworld-Jonesania Turtle Island Bradley Walsh The Incarcerators Chad 3 Destiny Manifested Have a Nice Day Land of the Rising Gun
Short answer: it’s Somewhere. Slightly longer answer: America is in America, though America isn’t America because America has an America inside it, and also borders America.
One of the theories why Columbus never admitted that the america was a new continent Was because Spain only gave him governorship over any lands he discovered in _india_
He also got laughed out of most of the courts of Europe trying to get backers for his "sail west to the Indies" scheme as it was thought a suicide mission*. If you believe something everyone else thinks is stupid, finally persuade people to let you test it, get lucky and don't die, and so think you actually got it right, then you really really won't accept any evidence suggesting that you were wrong. *not because he'd fall off the earth, but because it was the long way around, with the eastwards route only working as there were ports en route to resupply the ships. There was no way they could spend months at sea travelling that distance without needing resupply. Columbus disagreed with all the experiments done over thousands of years about the size of the planet, believing it to be much smaller than it actually is.
@@sihollett actually, no he agreed with the size of the planet. The problem was that maps, even those made by other prominent and well known mappers, put the farthest ends of Asia as stretching until about where Mexico is.
@@cynic2201 He did get the circumference of the world wrong though. He used calculations by the astronomer Al-Farghani which he got through a map made by a Pierre d'Ailly. However he did not realize that the map used the original units by Al-Farghani which were Arabic mile. Columbus instead assumed they were Roman miles and therefore his calculations ended up being 1/3 smaller that the actual value.
I’m just rewatching this for some quality map men content and realised the town crier bit was recorded in Enfield Town. Every video I get closer to working out exactly how close I live to Jay, who is (or was) definitely somewhere on the northern part of the Piccadilly line, and thus working out how alert I should be for possible sightings. Very exciting.
Enfield Town turns up a lot in my videos. Saves me a lot of travel time. If we do run into each other in Tesco, come and say hello. I’m very friendly. :)
Indeed. The sponsor makes a really good decision by giving them this freedom. It is the only reason I regulary don't skip to the next video unlike pretty much 100% of the time other UA-camrs get into ad copy mode.
Given that people have in the past put photos of merchandise on Ebay and then shipped the photo to the winning bidder rather than the merchandise, I have no trouble believing that someone tried the olden times equivalent of that scam.
Of course I know that, but it's been a year and seven MM episodes since the last non-MM video so I think my point sort of holds. Don't take me wrong, I love the channel I just thought it was a funny parallell. I've been wrong before (in some peoples eyes)
2:54 - "Nobody knows why Martin named it after Amerigo's fairly common first name rather then the Vespucci part". In fact in the accompanying book Cosmographiae Introductio written either by Waldseemüller himself or in close collaboration with him, it is clearly stated that they chose America (or Amerige) because the continents of Europe and Asia were named after the personal (i.e. in our understanding "first") names of two mythical ancient women. Back then the view of names was different from ours, the surname was much more viewed as a name of the "house" and naming the continent after the whole house of Vespucci would have diminished Amerigo's personal achievements as an individual not to mention hinting uncomfortably at a possibility of ownership claims. Also for Germans like Waldseemüller the name Amerigo would have been fairly exotic and he would have no idea that it was a fairly common name in Italy.
On the other hand Amerigo is apparently a variant of the very common French name Aymeric (vairants Aimeric, Aimery), which is believed to derive from Germanic Haimrich, also producing Henry and variants, or Amalric. For me it was a rather exotic name (nothing like that other than Enrique exists in Spanish) but it turns out it's pretty normal Medieval European name, with greater persistence in France, where Aimery is still fairly common (also Basque variant Aimar has become as of late relatively fashionable).
As a brazilian, it was really clever to include Chapulin on 4:42 as he is the one character that unites us all, both the spanish and the portuguese speaking countries
Chespirito wrote about how he argued with th US immigration agent because he was asked to wait in the non-American line at the airport: being from Mexico he was also American (as in the continent)
Where I was born and raised (Costa Rica), we learned as kids that América was one continent that had four parts: North America, Central America, South America, and the Caribbean Islands. Since I’ve lived in the US for almost 20 years, I have understood that in English, America means the USA, but NEVER in Spanish.
Well pretty much every where outside of the spanish-portugese world uses america to discribe the USA. And the idea of a single american continent just sounds silly if you look at logically. It would make atleast sense to see Eurasia as a single continent, since they are the same landmass after all. While South America has more of a relation to North America like Africa to Eurasia. The only diffrence is that we didn't genocide the african population and replace it with spaniards.
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 It wouldn't be like Eurasia it would be closer to Afro-Eurasia since that is also connected by a small strip of land. But yeah they are pretty distinct and its not like you can just drive from one to the other because of the Dorian Gap. Though its not like their is an absolute definition of a continent You could just say the 4 continents are America Antarctica Australia and Afro-Eurasia.
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 In italian (and think also in french) America also mainly refer to the continent. Some time it is used for the country, but 'Stati Uniti' (=United States) is preferred.
This video reminds me of a story from my childhood. My heritage is South American although I was raised in the northeast of the United states. visited Colombia for the first time when I was 10 years old and some of the local kids that I was playing with asked where I was from, I said "America". They looked at me confused like I was avoiding their question. My sister, who was in boarding school there at the time, looked at me and said "no, you're from Los estados unidos!"
@Rob you are americans , you can call yourselfs american , but while talking about countries its not yours only to name yourself, particularly when talkimg other americans.
@Rob It's like if the UK was called the United Kingdom of Europe and instead of British they'd call themselves Europeans, because of their influence people from the US, the rest of the Americas and other continents would exclusively use the term to refer to people from the UK, now to refer to Spain or France they'd say Latin Europe, Poland and Slovenia would be Slavic Europe etc. They wouldn't be able to say that they're Europeans or that they live in Europe to other people because everyone would think that they're referring to the UK. That's the situation we, the rest of non-US Americans live.
I'm from Uruguay and that not represents us at all. The empanada is the closest but to represent countries with a empanada, chapulín Colorado and a piñata is really poor and I understand it's comical and maybe they don't know much from Hispanoamérica but maybe tango at least could have represented a lot of people better than this
As a Canadian, I never hear people call it America, we always use “the US” or “the states”. Though we do use American to describe the people because stateian or USian doesn’t quite have the same ring to it...
@@TalesOfWar it’s just because yankee came from the Dutch term for a New Yorker back when it was New Amsterdam. Brits took the term to mean all Americans, because no one wants to do their homework. In America, it only expanded to refer to New Englanders and the Mid-Atlantic states. Anyone else in America would either get angry (the south) or confused (the west).
i hate ur canadian healthcare seriously i had my nail bleeding 6 pounds and it costs me 30 Pounds i dont want ur healthcare im bombing it with my properrled based plane
@@user-ps2lc9rq3i relatively close, they never officially recognized the confederacy and after the south started to clearly lose any meaningful support quickly collapsed since everyone agreed that slavery was bad and they could just get their cotton from somewhere else.
As someone from the US that is rewatching this, I found this to be quite entertaining! The fact that "America" can mean, depending on the place and context, either a country or the entire landmass makes for quite a complex situation! Luckily, I have taken 3 years of Spanish classes, so now, I _do_ give thought to this (bucking the rule from 4:35): when speaking Spanish, just to be safe, I use the term _Los_ _Estados_ _Unidos_ to refer to the US, _estadounidense_ to refer to its people, and _América_ only to refer to the landmass! Thanks for the video! Also, I found the town-crier scene at 1:38, the Columbus list at 5:28, the list of names at 5:49 (particularly "the United States of Subpar Railways", which, as someone who is interested in trains, seems to apply to our passenger rail network quite well), the reference to "the USA of America" at 6:02, and the ad to be quite funny!
I'm a citizen of the USA living in Mexico - which, as we all know, is Los Estados Unidos de Mexico, officially, another United States. So I refer to the USA as Gringolandia , which can't be confused with any other country, and seems appropriate to most Mexicans.
Same in Portuguese. Due to media influence, people are increasingly referring to the people as "americano(s)", but "estadunidense(s)" is still common, and I prefer it over the former because it is less ambiguous for the same reasons mentioned in the video. Why the US never helped themselves with a different term for themselves when the continent was named America bends my mind...
@@NothingXemnaswell, in English the continent is called North America. I would call a Canadian North American but not just an American. There’s no ambiguity here.
@@NothingXemnas in the English speaking world, "America" only refers to the country, there is nothing else that it can refer to. The continents are North America and South America and the combined landmass of those two continents is the Americas. So there is no problem or ambiguity.
It should be noted that even the Viking records of finding America (Vinland) are thought to be largely fictitious. In fact, the Vikings claim they found others already shipwrecked in Vinland when they arrived. They never claimed to have discovered a new land. Additionally, the only place we have any confirmed evidence of Vikings landing in was the northern part of Newfoundland, they never knew the magnitude of their discovery, and it never led to anything significant. I don’t think I’d say the Vikings discovered America.
@@LEFT4BASS I would say they have as much right to that claim as Columbus, who also didn't reach the mainland, think he found a new continent, or realize the magnitude of his discovery.
@@timothymclean you’re right, but Columbus’ finding was a lot more significant because he reported it back to the old world and it led to the two halves of the world finding each other.
@@CaptainAmerica001 Incorrect! French_Canadiens are Gaulish people, who identify with France. France almost NEVER considers themselves Latin. The consider themselves Germanic, who spoke a latin dialect. it depends on which part of France one hails from. Those from southern France may consider themselves latinate, but for those in the north, they are German. And since Paris is the heart of France, France goes where Paris goes! Haiti only gets the latin inclusion because: they reside in Hispaniola, with Spanish-speakers, AND progressives are trying to rewrite history to fit THEIR preferences. We could argue this ALL day and half the evening & never agree! So why bother?
@@hellocommaspacebitch That's not what I was trying to say. Usually I skip such sponsor segments, but here they are so entertaining that I never feel like skipping them.
In Amerigo's defense, though he was after Colombus, he was the first European exolorer, supposedly, to actually set foot on the continental mainland. Columbus had only landed on the Caribbean islands until a year after Amerigo. Yes I know i'm ignoring the vikings. Sorry.
That's the thing - "supposedly". The only account of his first voyage is a letter written several years later that may or may not have been written by Vespucci, and may or may not be true. For one thing, it describes being in Honduras, then sailing northwest, a route which would actually have taken them across Mexico to the Pacific. Also, Vespucci didn't command his "second" voyage, which landed in South America (after Columbus) and was led by a man named Ojedo, so even if he did go to Central America in 1497, he wouldn't have been the leader and probably not the first European on the continent either.
I had a political science uni professor refer to the United States as "Middle North America" and we were "Middle North Americans". Accurate, but doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
@@jadeforeman131 That's not true. Duct tape and gaffer's tape are similar, yes. But they use different adhesives, and duct tape is always coated in polyethylene whereas gaffer's tape is often just cloth (although variants with coating are available)
I'm naming the new world Cooperworld-Jonesland in my dnd world, complete with map men npcs, and a Cartography College in some country. Don't know if it's going to be easier to reach it from the east or the west coast of the old world yet though.
"Fredonia" (for the unaware) was actually considered by a minority of Americans wanting to change the name of the country for a long time, until it was turned into a name of mockery by opponents and became a byword for absurd hyperpatriotism, as well as just a bunch of regular placenames-I guess there's more than one town called Fredonia in this country, strangely. My first exposure to the word was, naturally, the Marx Brothers movie _Duck Soup._
I always favored The West Atlantic. I came up with that while I wanted to move my football team and its horrible owner out to sea so I wouldn't have to watch them anymore.
@@juliánito59 Necessity is the father of invention for a reason. It needs none. It has one of the best road network in the world and the largest percentage of car owners.
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 Not sure if that's something to brag about. Japan is among the world's largest automobile manufacturing nations, & they've the best high speed rail there is. So does Germany Or the rest of Europe for that matter Or HK, Taiwan or South Korea the list goes on. The point is, making driving the sole mode of transportation because there literally isn't any other option to get around as quick or as efficient should really be a cause of evaluation. The US is great & I'm saying it as someone who've lived there for a while, but public infrastructure over there is noticeably lacking for a country that rich.
One of the most enjoyable wikipedia fights is the long-running battle over what page searches for "America" should direct the reader to. You've gotta dig through the talk page of the "America (disambiguation)" to find it, but it's totally worth a read.
@@cullenmitchell9165 @nlabonte We Canadians have plenty of our own hotties. (Deadpool, anyone?) Instead I propose Canadians and Mexicans don't have to keep putting up with the confusion of our continent being called North America ("Does that refer to Alaska and Montana, or all 3 countries?") and instead we call the USA South Canada. Two birds with one stone, as if there's anything happening in Canada there's a 99% chance it's going on in the southern provinces rather than the northern territories and a 95% chance it's in the southern parts of those provinces, where most of the population is. "North America" won't be a problem, "America" won't be a problem, "Northern South Canada" won't be a problem. - a Yukonner
I love geography and I really like the way you guys laugh at the most unexpected things about geography. This channel is my new love on UA-cam. Big thanks Mark & Jay. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
After cringed over so many instances of honey ads in youtube, I realized Jay Foreman's ad magic does have its limits, that even him cannot save honey ad from being cringy.
That's actually a worse name considering _Estados Unidos Mexicanos_ exists. Meanwhile, there's only one country with the word America in it. The only way to possibly get confused about what "Americans" means is if you think it's referring to the people in all of North and South America, which is a uselessly large group of people. So in reality, it's not a problem at all.
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Three Map Men videos in just over a months time. This truly is a golden age.
honeygolden
I feel like we've slipped into an alternate timeline
wonder if they've already filmed the 'what do we call the island now that scotland is out'
@@esgee3829 There's no reason why the island itself shouldn't continue to be called Great Britain. However, the country currently called The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland may require a rebrand …
Oh wait hi Pete
Patiently waiting for the day they say "we're the map" in map costumes, and "here's the men" revealing their faces under the curtain
NOOOOOO NOW YOU'VE GIVEN THEM THE IDEA
Let's up this 'til they see it!
MEN MAP MEN MAP MEN MEN MEN MAP MAP
“Men map” is more for an anatomy video (not saying they can’t branch out that way)
Write that down...write that down!!
Jay going out on to a street shouting, ringing a bell and wearing a ridiculous costume to make a 10 second gag is the kind of confidence I aspire to have
My social anxiety made that physically uncomfortable to watch help
And no one really reacted...wonder how many takes they had to do
And risking arrest as town criers are still banned?
its definitely greenscreen
I'm not sure if I'm getting wooshed here, but they do all their scenes in front of a green screen and then put a stock background. I've almost never seen them outside before.
The other critical difference between Columbus and Vespucci is that there are a lot of historians who think Vespucci was lying. The area of coastline he claimed to have explored includes the mouth of the Amazon, a truly collosal geographic feature that he just didn't bother to mention. This has led to the theory that Vespucci never actually went to the New World, instead basing his account on plagiarized portions of other today-forgotten explorers' accounts.
Yes! I had read about this too. I think hte first map of the New World was drawn by the Northern Spanish cartographer Juan de la Cosa (it could be translated as John of the Thing) who had actually been to the new world and did a pretty good job. He is said to also be aware that it was indeed a new continent, but when trying to name it, he was aware that "the Thing" would never catch and so didn't name the new landmass
@@danielalvarezberdugo1622 United States of Things is a great name though.
Not so colossal in the early days, just a big river delta, you didnt need to sail the whole coastline to connect the dots....
The USA being named after a con artist would be so incredibly fitting.
@@sylkatesThat would be the entire continent.
Hi I’m a Cooper-Jonesanian living in the UK
Can't wait for the return of your British vs. Cooper-Jonesanian series
I am indian living in america lol
Hi Evan! Good to see you in a Jay Foreman comments section! :)
@@ShirinRose ngl, the 2nd episode was kinda confusing
@@ShirinRose 🤣
Lol @ “hot Canada”
That’s what I wish they were called Lol
Also I Love your content keep up the amazing work
I feel like we don't deserve to be called "hot Canada." =/ lol that's too much praise.
I just spent 10 minutes trying to see the last name on that list...but I could never make it out.
"Canada's pants"
@@derekf85 "Land of the Rising Gun". Lol.
"Land of the Rising Gun" incredible
But Japan is nicknamed ‘The Land Of The Rising Sun’ so it would cause controversy
@ it be a pun on that name because america be known for gun
@ yes that was the joke
Powerful
@@Whitsoxrule1 Actually it is two jokes. One of them beeing that most of those Names would make other people in the world sligtly unhappy.
3:22
The 8-bit rendition of Skin Sofa blended really nicely into the video.
I thought I was going insane hearing the melody
‘The United States of Sub-par Railways *USSR* ‘
that got me
For me it was "Land of the rising gun"
@@Njald isn't that Japan?
@@usarkarzts4207 rising GUN
@@demonicwillow7339 okay that makes much more sense XD
It's true, our railways are dire ☹️
I hereby declare the United States henceforth be referred to as Chad 3.
So are we now the Chadians (3rd Edition)
Nah I'm torn between Vespuccio, Lincolnland or Freedonia
I declare we calling it Washing Machine for George Washington
Naw is should be called "Canade" to confuse the people
nah it's Chad 69
Ah yes, exactly how I like my sponsorship segments: 23% useful information, 77% psychological horror.
And 110% complete
It's 100% horror when you realize what the plugin does.
The complete list of potential new names for the U.S.A. (For those of you who missed it)
North Mexico
Hot Canada
The Republic Kingdom
The United States of Columbus
The Fifty
Appalachia
Greater New England
Big Country
Freedonia
Worse Britain
Chad 2
Vespuccio
Our Graham
Law and Order
Republic of Rodeo
Pacifica
The Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Woking
Butter Dish
The United States of Sub-par Railways (USSR)
North of America
Cooperworld-Jonesania
Turtle Island
Bradley Walsh
The Incarcerators
Chad 3
Destiny Manifested
Have a Nice Day
Land of the Rising Gun
Surprised Columbia isn't on this list considering it's the only viable alternative name with actual historical usage
Appalachia and Fredonia were legitimately suggested names back when the US was officially deciding on a name.
@@AdamFaruqi Having two sovereign states names differ by one letter would be a lot of fun
I like Bradley Walsh lol
@@axxeny Dominica and Dominican Republic don’t agree with you at all
Short answer: it’s Somewhere.
Slightly longer answer: America is in America, though America isn’t America because America has an America inside it, and also borders America.
And the United States of America has a border with United States in the south!
@@civilizati3 Yup.
@@civilizati3
the United... *Mexican* States*
@@civilizati3 and In the north, the full name of that country is: *canada*
@@CCABPSacsach hi again
The ability of these two to be unblinkingly deadpan is a joy to behold!
Leslie Nielsen would be proud.
The sponsored content would disagree.
@@AdmiralJota keep eye contact with Jay throughout the video.
@@SymbioteMullet I was just thinking that 7:20 isn't strictly what I would call "deadpan".
One of the theories why Columbus never admitted that the america was a new continent
Was because Spain only gave him governorship over any lands he discovered in _india_
He also got laughed out of most of the courts of Europe trying to get backers for his "sail west to the Indies" scheme as it was thought a suicide mission*. If you believe something everyone else thinks is stupid, finally persuade people to let you test it, get lucky and don't die, and so think you actually got it right, then you really really won't accept any evidence suggesting that you were wrong.
*not because he'd fall off the earth, but because it was the long way around, with the eastwards route only working as there were ports en route to resupply the ships. There was no way they could spend months at sea travelling that distance without needing resupply. Columbus disagreed with all the experiments done over thousands of years about the size of the planet, believing it to be much smaller than it actually is.
@@sihollett actually, no he agreed with the size of the planet. The problem was that maps, even those made by other prominent and well known mappers, put the farthest ends of Asia as stretching until about where Mexico is.
@@cynic2201 He did get the circumference of the world wrong though. He used calculations by the astronomer Al-Farghani which he got through a map made by a Pierre d'Ailly. However he did not realize that the map used the original units by Al-Farghani which were Arabic mile. Columbus instead assumed they were Roman miles and therefore his calculations ended up being 1/3 smaller that the actual value.
Spain: It's all India?
Columbus: Always has been
@@cynic2201 He also believed that Earth was pear-shaped, with a stem-shaped part at the top that served as the world's nearest point to Heaven.
I’m just rewatching this for some quality map men content and realised the town crier bit was recorded in Enfield Town. Every video I get closer to working out exactly how close I live to Jay, who is (or was) definitely somewhere on the northern part of the Piccadilly line, and thus working out how alert I should be for possible sightings. Very exciting.
Enfield Town turns up a lot in my videos. Saves me a lot of travel time. If we do run into each other in Tesco, come and say hello. I’m very friendly. :)
Jay manically laughing while pouring honey into his mouth is an image I don't think I'll be able to unsee.
Indeed. The sponsor makes a really good decision by giving them this freedom. It is the only reason I regulary don't skip to the next video unlike pretty much 100% of the time other UA-camrs get into ad copy mode.
@@purvija4677 It was both of them, actually. They both did it.
Reminds me of the Japanese porn reviews on Ebaum's World at the turn of the millennium...
@@joshbrownmovies for some reason i really want to see a debate over which man shoved the most honey into his mouth LOL
@@joshbrownmovies oh sorry my bad
RIP to the guy who bought a map of a random House for almost 300,000 pounds...
I couldn't find a source for that
Could’ve brought the actual house but okay.
Given that people have in the past put photos of merchandise on Ebay and then shipped the photo to the winning bidder rather than the merchandise, I have no trouble believing that someone tried the olden times equivalent of that scam.
Pretty sure those are jokes. I mean come on, map of Babylon on a grain of rice for 2 mil?
@@all_so_frivolous Pretty sure? The list has actual fictional maps on it xD
This version of the Map Men theme song sounds a little more juicy than normal
they speak in one octave diffirent.
They added harmonies
third harmony
@@jeravogel If by "harmonies" you mean "Jay singing slightly and inconsistently sharp just to annoy us"
It also seems to be missing a "men" at the end?!
The 8-bit version of Skin Sofa is the ring tone I never knew I needed
Wait a minute, WHERE?
3:23
Little is known that when Amerigo departed, also set sail his twin brothers, Afrigo and Antarctigo, to discover new lands.
You forgot Australio.
@@louisvictor3473 That’s just Oceanio’s nickname!
yo what about Asio?
Also don't forget eurogo, their father.
And Marsigo and Venusigo, their grandparents
I love how Chad 2 and Chad 3 are both on the list of other possible names for the USA
the united states of sub-par railways (USSR)
Land of the Rising Gun
It was The Crazy World of Arthur Brown that got my vote.
probably because Chad is already taken...
@@SouthendLad600 Shortened to The CW of AB or CWAB
Winnie the Pooh: Yes, piglet! My relationship with honey is perfectly healthy.
Winnie the Pooh 5 seconds later: 7:39
So that's where America is!
I was not ready for that
Omg, I nearly cried with laughter pausing the list of name alternatives! Very well done!
The
United
States of
Sub-par
Railways
(The USSR)
Has a nice ring to it.
I like to think Vespucci has finally got recognition in GTA5. They named the beach after him.
Also in GTA IV, where a subway station and a street are also called like that
@@cameramangonzalo yes Vespucci was the University in Varsity heights. You're right.
The beach was called vespucci in San Andreas. Ever played GTA London 1969?
Hey did you know
America was named after him, I think he got recognition
It's like having a channel on UA-cam featuring two dudes and name the channel after only one of them
Well, Map Men is just one series on this channel. Other videos don’t include Mark Cooper-Jones
Of course I know that, but it's been a year and seven MM episodes since the last non-MM video so I think my point sort of holds. Don't take me wrong, I love the channel I just thought it was a funny parallell. I've been wrong before (in some peoples eyes)
@@obamabinladen4109 its a joke bruh
@@mushroomman8289 No
@@lebozojamessimp1610 No
2:54 - "Nobody knows why Martin named it after Amerigo's fairly common first name rather then the Vespucci part".
In fact in the accompanying book Cosmographiae Introductio written either by Waldseemüller himself or in close collaboration with him, it is clearly stated that they chose America (or Amerige) because the continents of Europe and Asia were named after the personal (i.e. in our understanding "first") names of two mythical ancient women. Back then the view of names was different from ours, the surname was much more viewed as a name of the "house" and naming the continent after the whole house of Vespucci would have diminished Amerigo's personal achievements as an individual not to mention hinting uncomfortably at a possibility of ownership claims. Also for Germans like Waldseemüller the name Amerigo would have been fairly exotic and he would have no idea that it was a fairly common name in Italy.
Yeah, Christophia has not the same ring to it.
On the other hand Amerigo is apparently a variant of the very common French name Aymeric (vairants Aimeric, Aimery), which is believed to derive from Germanic Haimrich, also producing Henry and variants, or Amalric. For me it was a rather exotic name (nothing like that other than Enrique exists in Spanish) but it turns out it's pretty normal Medieval European name, with greater persistence in France, where Aimery is still fairly common (also Basque variant Aimar has become as of late relatively fashionable).
And "God Bless Vespuccia" just doesn't have the same oomph.
if we were the USV rather than USA that would push us even further down the alphabetical listings and we wouldn't like that
Europa had a surname?
3:45 We appreciate how much Jay is trying not to laugh. Well done.
1:40 Watching Jay Foreman is not knowing whether this was a green screen or actually just Jay in the outside
People are looking at them so they would’ve done it
I know!
I'm sure it's somehow both at the same time.
Jay’s really not that good at editing green screen
ua-cam.com/video/XdCNe8eYJZo/v-deo.html
After 12 years of watching you Jay, I'm going to subscribe
👏
It is happening. Everyone, calm down.
Hero
Finally
@@Mj-in5uj IM NOT PANICKING YOU’RE PANICKING!
"Where is America?"
-A question you'd never hear asked in an alien invasion movie.
They do tend to land in NYC or LA, don't they?
@@BigStrap probs the brightest places on Earth, if we think rationally
@@Sylykyn That would actually be Tokyo then.
@@BigStrap Much like everyone else.
@@BigStrap They go on a world tour of all the landmarks, Statue of liberty, Golden gate bridge, eiffel tower etc.
Thank u for the Esperanto subtitle! I really need it! Dankon!
As a brazilian, it was really clever to include Chapulin on 4:42 as he is the one character that unites us all, both the spanish and the portuguese speaking countries
Sou fãzaço do canal e concordo! mas eles podiam não ter generalizado que toda a america latina fala espanhol, né?
As a Chilean, I can say that no contaba con su astucia.
@@allanduarte9939 podiam, mas um dia eles aprendem
Chespirito wrote about how he argued with th US immigration agent because he was asked to wait in the non-American line at the airport: being from Mexico he was also American (as in the continent)
@@cxiliapersono As a Brazilian, I can say that não contava com sua astúcia.
Where I was born and raised (Costa Rica), we learned as kids that América was one continent that had four parts: North America, Central America, South America, and the Caribbean Islands. Since I’ve lived in the US for almost 20 years, I have understood that in English, America means the USA, but NEVER in Spanish.
I live in Barbados and we never think of ourselves as America. Especially because we're not on the mainland.
Well pretty much every where outside of the spanish-portugese world uses america to discribe the USA. And the idea of a single american continent just sounds silly if you look at logically. It would make atleast sense to see Eurasia as a single continent, since they are the same landmass after all. While South America has more of a relation to North America like Africa to Eurasia. The only diffrence is that we didn't genocide the african population and replace it with spaniards.
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 It wouldn't be like Eurasia it would be closer to Afro-Eurasia since that is also connected by a small strip of land. But yeah they are pretty distinct and its not like you can just drive from one to the other because of the Dorian Gap. Though its not like their is an absolute definition of a continent You could just say the 4 continents are America Antarctica Australia and Afro-Eurasia.
Honestly I get the the feeling that they didn’t 100% understand the cultural context when they were making this video.
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 In italian (and think also in french) America also mainly refer to the continent. Some time it is used for the country, but 'Stati Uniti' (=United States) is preferred.
Mark: ...Map Men.
Auto-generated subtitles: *mad men*
Seems legit.
UA-cam is drunk again.
7:33
That's why you use their captions.
fits the sponsor
“FLATTEN! STOP BEING ROUND, START BEING FLAT”
00:10 Mark needs someone to tell him how to button up a shirt.
I’ll button it for him if he makes out with me. 😂
“Land of the Rising Gun”
Oh my.
LMAOOO nice one
The sponsor bit turned from a sitcom to a horror pretty fast
Obviously Jay Foreman and Tom Scott post at the same time... again
The conspiracy continues
Have you ever seen the in the same room together?
@@Healermain15 yes 😂
@@jamesl8640 Prove it !!!
@@DLCS-2 Tom and Jay did some kind of game show together, where Tom was hosting.
This is the only place on the internet where I actually enjoy the commercials fully as their own thing.
This is completely anecdotal but as Canadians, we rarely say America in casual conversation. It's almost always referred to as "The US".
And that's why the rest of countries in the continent like Canadians better
In BC we commonly refer to them as "the states"
This!!
But how do you refer to the people living there?
@@rawrosawrusrex yeah that's the problem, for short we have to call them Americans, we could call them U.S. citizens though.
"the united states of sub-par railways" got a real chuckle out of me, nice one y'all lol
Chad 2.
And it's funny 'cause it's true.
This video reminds me of a story from my childhood.
My heritage is South American although I was raised in the northeast of the United states. visited Colombia for the first time when I was 10 years old and some of the local kids that I was playing with asked where I was from, I said "America". They looked at me confused like I was avoiding their question. My sister, who was in boarding school there at the time, looked at me and said "no, you're from Los estados unidos!"
Amd she was right
@Rob the common Colombian says Los Estados Unidos.
@Rob you are americans , you can call yourselfs american , but while talking about countries its not yours only to name yourself, particularly when talkimg other americans.
@Rob It's like if the UK was called the United Kingdom of Europe and instead of British they'd call themselves Europeans, because of their influence people from the US, the rest of the Americas and other continents would exclusively use the term to refer to people from the UK, now to refer to Spain or France they'd say Latin Europe, Poland and Slovenia would be Slavic Europe etc. They wouldn't be able to say that they're Europeans or that they live in Europe to other people because everyone would think that they're referring to the UK. That's the situation we, the rest of non-US Americans live.
@@Styrofo4m your example was terrible
The level of dedication for the gag of vespuicci is absolutley diabolical
I love how you can binge watch these videos and not notice any difference between a 1 hour ans 5 year old one
Even their haircuts are the same... 😉
Absolutely love having El Chapulín Colorado in the frame for Latin America. Now that's a cultural icon!
Jay also used the theme from El Chavo del 8 in the Unfinished London video about Ringways - I think he must have spent time in Mexico at some point
I am from Brazil and they nailed it for us too. :D
I'm from Uruguay and that not represents us at all. The empanada is the closest but to represent countries with a empanada, chapulín Colorado and a piñata is really poor and I understand it's comical and maybe they don't know much from Hispanoamérica but maybe tango at least could have represented a lot of people better than this
Eduardo I'm shocked lol. Think of Brazilians represented by el Chaplin Colorado maybe samba or Cristo Redentor or Río Carnival idk
@@carbonero6304 as an argentinian, i used to watch a lot el chapulin colorado lol, so actually i don't mind it
3:55 : "the map finally found it's wrongful place..." - it's little gems like this that make Map Men so great!
Yea us Americans or North Americans take that after the British.
7:26 Descended into more madness then usual. Your vids are too hilarious. Keep it up!
The sponsor is the first time i have properly laughed at a UA-cam video in a while
Same XD
The bit when Jay had too much thyme on his hands was also very good.
Binge on Jay and you'll laugh a lot if you watch all Jays content especially his adds
Jay is one of the best at ad reads and turning it into entertainment. See also: Drew Gooden
That implies you didn't properly laugh at the main video?
had to rewind a few times to make sure it was skin sofa I was hearing in the background, whoa
it's also fanmade! look up skin sofa 8 bit
WAIT WHEN??
Actually it's a fan made 8 bit version: ua-cam.com/video/E180TNMsQw4/v-deo.html
Can be heard around 3:25
@@coolicebear34 ooooh you're right! That's awesome didn't notice the first time :')
not the first time not the last time
As a Canadian, I never hear people call it America, we always use “the US” or “the states”. Though we do use American to describe the people because stateian or USian doesn’t quite have the same ring to it...
In the UK we tend to just call them Yanks, which pisses off the folk from the south, which is always a happy side effect given their history lol.
@@TalesOfWar it’s just because yankee came from the Dutch term for a New Yorker back when it was New Amsterdam. Brits took the term to mean all Americans, because no one wants to do their homework. In America, it only expanded to refer to New Englanders and the Mid-Atlantic states. Anyone else in America would either get angry (the south) or confused (the west).
i hate ur canadian healthcare seriously i had my nail bleeding 6 pounds and it costs me 30 Pounds i dont want ur healthcare im bombing it with my properrled based plane
@@TalesOfWar ironically the British were very close to officially supporting the south in the civil war
@@user-ps2lc9rq3i relatively close, they never officially recognized the confederacy and after the south started to clearly lose any meaningful support quickly collapsed since everyone agreed that slavery was bad and they could just get their cotton from somewhere else.
As someone from the US that is rewatching this, I found this to be quite entertaining! The fact that "America" can mean, depending on the place and context, either a country or the entire landmass makes for quite a complex situation! Luckily, I have taken 3 years of Spanish classes, so now, I _do_ give thought to this (bucking the rule from 4:35): when speaking Spanish, just to be safe, I use the term _Los_ _Estados_ _Unidos_ to refer to the US, _estadounidense_ to refer to its people, and _América_ only to refer to the landmass! Thanks for the video!
Also, I found the town-crier scene at 1:38, the Columbus list at 5:28, the list of names at 5:49 (particularly "the United States of Subpar Railways", which, as someone who is interested in trains, seems to apply to our passenger rail network quite well), the reference to "the USA of America" at 6:02, and the ad to be quite funny!
¡Bien ahí, amigo!
I'm a citizen of the USA living in Mexico - which, as we all know, is Los Estados Unidos de Mexico, officially, another United States. So I refer to the USA as Gringolandia , which can't be confused with any other country, and seems appropriate to most Mexicans.
Same in Portuguese. Due to media influence, people are increasingly referring to the people as "americano(s)", but "estadunidense(s)" is still common, and I prefer it over the former because it is less ambiguous for the same reasons mentioned in the video.
Why the US never helped themselves with a different term for themselves when the continent was named America bends my mind...
@@NothingXemnaswell, in English the continent is called North America. I would call a Canadian North American but not just an American. There’s no ambiguity here.
@@NothingXemnas in the English speaking world, "America" only refers to the country, there is nothing else that it can refer to.
The continents are North America and South America and the combined landmass of those two continents is the Americas. So there is no problem or ambiguity.
This is the ONLY youtube channel where I actually watch the ads.
0:40: "heavily debated" is one way to describe one guy with a book versus all the evidence discovered by the entire academic community.
Yeah pretty disappointing tbh. 'Heavily debated' implies it's like 50/50 it could be true or not, it's total pseudohistory
It should be noted that even the Viking records of finding America (Vinland) are thought to be largely fictitious.
In fact, the Vikings claim they found others already shipwrecked in Vinland when they arrived. They never claimed to have discovered a new land.
Additionally, the only place we have any confirmed evidence of Vikings landing in was the northern part of Newfoundland, they never knew the magnitude of their discovery, and it never led to anything significant. I don’t think I’d say the Vikings discovered America.
@@LEFT4BASS I would say they have as much right to that claim as Columbus, who also didn't reach the mainland, think he found a new continent, or realize the magnitude of his discovery.
@@timothymclean you’re right, but Columbus’ finding was a lot more significant because he reported it back to the old world and it led to the two halves of the world finding each other.
@@LEFT4BASS Your point being...?
One of Mexico’s first names was “América Septentrional” ie “North America”. Imagine the confusion that’d had created had they’d stuck with that name 🤣
I think Microsoft should name their next console "The original Xbox"
but then Mexico was much larger back then before ceding land to the USA
*stuck
@@skylarius3757 Might makes right.
‘Land of the Rising Gun" 😂🤣🤣
Thanks
"Latin America, in the Spanish speaking world..."
Brazil: "Am I a joke to you?"
Portugal is pretty much spanish brazil anyways. So.......
French Guyana and Suriname be like: **mad french and dutch sounds**
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 vai nessa
@@matheuss886 as far as I know dutch ain't a latin derived language like french portuges spanish italian and rumanian
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 wtf are you talking about?
keep up the good work
Did you seriously think you’d get lots of likes just commenting “keep up the good work” with a verified check mark?
@@insert_username_here quit whining
@@insert_username_here so now I need to make alt accounts and huge paragraphs to appreciate my favourite youtubers.
@@insert_username_here
I've seen many smaller creators do this for gaining subscribers, commenting very generic admirations
The Map Men could play 10 ads in a row and I would watch all of them. Well done lads!
2:24 was that the ABC jingle I heard?
Well spotted! 💢
What year?
@@suchanyasakhiranrat8932 mid 1950s to 1968
@@ArchdukeJake 👌
As a Canadian, we almost exclusively refer to the USA as the US or the United States. But we usually refer to its residents as Americans.
Yes, but I also call it America
South Canadians
@@early7strikeland996 Ha ha. They could be so lucky! :P
I mean, I just say “The States”
Try USAnians or gringos
I love how mark mentioned Markland and that was one of the Viking names for the lands they found in North America
The subtle shift in harmony for the opening title did not go unnoticed
Ears bleed 😅
I'm not convinced that "harmony" is the right word there...
...painful, painful 'harmony'...
It sounded like thirds, sung in baritone
Putting the "harm" in harmony there, yes.
4:42 Canada (or at least Quebec) should count as Latin America if Haiti does. They were also a French colony and French derives from Latin
Correct, French Canadians are Latin Americans.
Canada should be part of a Latin America!
@@CaptainAmerica001 Incorrect! French_Canadiens are Gaulish people, who identify with France. France almost NEVER considers themselves Latin. The consider themselves Germanic, who spoke a latin dialect. it depends on which part of France one hails from. Those from southern France may consider themselves latinate, but for those in the north, they are German. And since Paris is the heart of France, France goes where Paris goes! Haiti only gets the latin inclusion because: they reside in Hispaniola, with Spanish-speakers, AND progressives are trying to rewrite history to fit THEIR preferences. We could argue this ALL day and half the evening & never agree! So why bother?
@@inconnu4961
What is a Latin American then?
"Land of the Rising Gun"
Perfection
Not to be confused with United States of Sub-par Railways (USSR)
Piendostan
This is the only channel where I always make sure to watch the entirety of their sponsor segments.
@@hellocommaspacebitch That's not what I was trying to say. Usually I skip such sponsor segments, but here they are so entertaining that I never feel like skipping them.
5:57 'Land of the rising gun' Petition drafted and signed
In Amerigo's defense, though he was after Colombus, he was the first European exolorer, supposedly, to actually set foot on the continental mainland. Columbus had only landed on the Caribbean islands until a year after Amerigo.
Yes I know i'm ignoring the vikings. Sorry.
That's the thing - "supposedly". The only account of his first voyage is a letter written several years later that may or may not have been written by Vespucci, and may or may not be true. For one thing, it describes being in Honduras, then sailing northwest, a route which would actually have taken them across Mexico to the Pacific. Also, Vespucci didn't command his "second" voyage, which landed in South America (after Columbus) and was led by a man named Ojedo, so even if he did go to Central America in 1497, he wouldn't have been the leader and probably not the first European on the continent either.
That list of alternate USA names was the literal best.
Chad 3 FTW
Especially the last one
Land of the rising gun IM DYING LMAO
Woking was there, wierdly.
I think Bradley Walsh was a solid suggestion
I had a political science uni professor refer to the United States as "Middle North America" and we were "Middle North Americans". Accurate, but doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Central North American Federation? No, that doesn't work either.
"Usonian" is a legitimately good idea for a name that some people have proposed, derived from "USA", but no-one actually uses it lol
When I have to specify I just use "U.S. Americans."
The French have the word 'Etat-Uniens' to mean 'citizen of the United States'
But 'Americain' is much more commonly used.
Middle American-Norths (MANs)
Buys electrical tape, receives duct tape.
.....I’m on to you, Honey
@Ross Bourne Except your purchase history
@@alllies5271 Oof
It looks more like gaffer's tape to be honest. Plus duct tape would be real stupid to stick on a laptop because of the residue it leaves behind
@@caitthenerd7470 Duct tape is a brand of gaffer tape. Just like sellotape is a brand of transparent tape.
@@jadeforeman131 That's not true. Duct tape and gaffer's tape are similar, yes. But they use different adhesives, and duct tape is always coated in polyethylene whereas gaffer's tape is often just cloth (although variants with coating are available)
1:39 Jay in yeoman custom is priceless!
The gag at the end where Mark was talking to the wrong camera really got me good
The level of sarcasm in this video is so intense
"The United States of Sub-par Railways" I choked on my drink
Also howling at Bradley Walsh, because I watched this while watching a show with him on 😂
The United States of Interstate highways and being able to go anywhere you want at any time. Sadly, no more.
3:53 “buyer thought he was buying the house”
😂😂
If it makes you feel any better Mark, in my Dungeons and Dragons world there is a country called Markland
It does actually
Is it a boundary in some way?
The Vikings named what's now Labrador Markland (Norse for "forest land").
I'm naming the new world Cooperworld-Jonesland in my dnd world, complete with map men npcs, and a Cartography College in some country. Don't know if it's going to be easier to reach it from the east or the west coast of the old world yet though.
"Fredonia" (for the unaware) was actually considered by a minority of Americans wanting to change the name of the country for a long time, until it was turned into a name of mockery by opponents and became a byword for absurd hyperpatriotism, as well as just a bunch of regular placenames-I guess there's more than one town called Fredonia in this country, strangely.
My first exposure to the word was, naturally, the Marx Brothers movie _Duck Soup._
Imagine the United States of Fredonia
@@scythal United States of Faildonia
Freedonia would make sense. While Fredonia sounds like it was named after someone named Fred.
@@someguysomeone3543 Might as well be, who is to say Fred wasn't behind it all all along?
It's "Freedonia" not "Fredonia"
I've always liked calling it "South Canada"
North Mexico has a nice ring to it tho.
Worse Britain XD
I always favored The West Atlantic. I came up with that while I wanted to move my football team and its horrible owner out to sea so I wouldn't have to watch them anymore.
Nah
Its on below space
The United States of Gas
As a Canadian, the Canada references in this episode were ✨️chef's kiss ✨️
"the united states of sub par railways"
"the land of the rising gun"
lol
The United States of the sub-par railways (USSR)
It really is sub par.
For all it's worth, bloody hell even China has high speed railways connecting all its major cities.
The US has...none.
@@juliánito59 Necessity is the father of invention for a reason. It needs none. It has one of the best road network in the world and the largest percentage of car owners.
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 Not sure if that's something to brag about.
Japan is among the world's largest automobile manufacturing nations, & they've the best high speed rail there is.
So does Germany
Or the rest of Europe for that matter
Or HK, Taiwan or South Korea the list goes on.
The point is, making driving the sole mode of transportation because there literally isn't any other option to get around as quick or as efficient should really be a cause of evaluation. The US is great & I'm saying it as someone who've lived there for a while, but public infrastructure over there is noticeably lacking for a country that rich.
The crazy world of Arthur Brown only works if they set Canada alight.
The best part is how they re-record the song every time a little differently
😮
It was so. bad. this time.
@@abydosianchulac2 LOL
@@abydosianchulac2 SO BAD
I think it was just a semitone higher than it was supposed to be. Augh!
But, well, Augh! is the whole point.
What have you done to the intro song this time? it sounds so out of tune/lower than usual
05:01 seeing the two Canadian legends Terrance and Philip made my day
One of the most enjoyable wikipedia fights is the long-running battle over what page searches for "America" should direct the reader to. You've gotta dig through the talk page of the "America (disambiguation)" to find it, but it's totally worth a read.
why was that ad read one of the best examples of surrealist digital horror ive ever seen
why did that somehow make me actually want to download Honey
I’ll never call it anything but Hot Canada again.
Canadians won't like that
@@ginaslevinsky8906 We don’t need to ask them.
*Person from outside the Americas:* Are you an American?
*Me:* No, actually. I'm just a Hot Canadian.
@@cullenmitchell9165 @nlabonte We Canadians have plenty of our own hotties. (Deadpool, anyone?)
Instead I propose Canadians and Mexicans don't have to keep putting up with the confusion of our continent being called North America ("Does that refer to Alaska and Montana, or all 3 countries?") and instead we call the USA South Canada. Two birds with one stone, as if there's anything happening in Canada there's a 99% chance it's going on in the southern provinces rather than the northern territories and a 95% chance it's in the southern parts of those provinces, where most of the population is. "North America" won't be a problem, "America" won't be a problem, "Northern South Canada" won't be a problem.
- a Yukonner
yes but... 'Chad 2'
"The America part makes much less sense than you might think."
Indeed.
I gotta say, that explanation of USA at 00:24 really helped me understand the whole meaning of the US. This explanation is a key part of this video.
That two seond clip of Jay maniacally pouring honey into his mouth was both the funniest and most disturbing thing I’ve seen all day.
okay fine I'll watch the ad.
Ok that was disturbing
'Honey - You'll save so much money you'll lapse into hysterical insanity!'
I love geography and I really like the way you guys laugh at the most unexpected things about geography. This channel is my new love on UA-cam. Big thanks Mark & Jay. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Watching these two appear to have a psychotic breakdown over running honey was something I didn't know I needed today.
All of that honey into the mouth... omg.
After cringed over so many instances of honey ads in youtube, I realized Jay Foreman's ad magic does have its limits, that even him cannot save honey ad from being cringy.
El chapulín colorado being in this video just made it a million times better omg
Kudos for using an image of El Chapulin Colorado to represent Latin America.
It was either that, the chupacabras or María la del Barrio. I agree with the chapulín. We didn't count on his astucia.
@@IceSpoon pero que coloquen al diegote con pele
I have learnt more about geography from this series than my entire time at school
Your name is joel lol
You must have a terrible education system where ever you're from.
On Brazil we do not say "Los Estados Unidos", but just "Estados Unidos", since we speak Portuguese...
or something is "Estadunidense"
That's actually a worse name considering _Estados Unidos Mexicanos_ exists. Meanwhile, there's only one country with the word America in it. The only way to possibly get confused about what "Americans" means is if you think it's referring to the people in all of North and South America, which is a uselessly large group of people. So in reality, it's not a problem at all.
@@Bruno_Boaventura.Morelli1555 Estadounidense in Spanish
@@alpacamale2909 in México we sometimes call the us people "Gringos"
@@cruzalonsojesusroberto2-b162 In Cuba we call them Yankees sometimes
The only youtubers who's adverts are a worthwhile watch!
I hope you know the only reason you get away with having 1/4 of the video being an ad is because they're *really funny and we like them*
Once again we're blessed by simultaneous Foreman/Scott uploads
FOREman, SCott, Cooper-joNes
Fore-Sc.....
simultaneous Foreman/Scott uploads, will do I suppose.
Ooh 2 Map Men vids in 1 Month. What a time to be alive!
Hold on to your (cartographical) papers!
The fact that Americans appropriate the whole of the Americas for their name and don't even think about it, is just so frikin' American