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My favorite fact was that when Ernest was cremated, he requested his ashes spread over the old Osage territory he lived at. His son threw the ashes off a bridge instead.
Such an awful situation. family is all there is in this world. Family can hurt you but they'll never not be your family, which makes this all the more tragic.
Their story is very reminiscent of Tulsa Oklahoma Black Wall Street because they too made their wealth because of oil being discovered in the lands the settled in.
@@GODSOFFOOTBALLGOLD It was a horrific tale of a few greedy Americans in a small town. It was not a tale of “American greed.” Do not falsely accuse an entire country for the evil and greedy deeds of a few.
Having read the book in college, I knew the story going into the film. So glad it’s documented on the big screen. History is truly dark but needs to be preserved.
See I also read it in college and had a project on it and took it very seriously. Is the movie that good? I don’t want any kinda disrespect or money grabbing action or drama scenes cause having read and studied the book and material around it, I just can’t handle any disrespect.
It’s more sad finally understanding the reason my grand parent was so against the doctors n hospitals. I never really understood I thought I knew but now I know
@@ReggieWilson-gm5dlHer chances of winning definitely would’ve been higher if she’d campaigned as a supporting actress, however it seems that she’ll campaign as lead where she’ll still have a chance to win but I do think she’ll fall short unfortunately, probably to Emma Stone
Myi cousin was in this film, speaking role and everything! She told me about it last year when Scorsese called her in for ADR work last summer. She played Molliie's housekeeper.
I remember reading or hearing about this. My family is Cherokee and any incidents/information involving other tribes are surprisingly increased in the sharing of or retelling of such stories. This is not a movie I would be able to sit through at the theater. I would be an emotional ball of nerves probably crying the whole way through. I cry easily anyway with sad and even happy movies. I do plan to see this but from my living room. I can stop and restart the movie as needed. Kudos to them for finally telling this horrible story 😢
It's also really long. My nephew told me to wait and stream it and/or rent it. He's a sensitive man and said it would be far too hard for me to see in the theater. My grandmother was a Chicksaw. I also taught U.S. history and wrote my dissertation on the Kickapoo Indians. I feel the same as you do. I would always tell my students that the portions of the course regarding Native Americans was not for the faint of heart. I can tell you I have never been in a casino after everything I know. I'll be crying at home too. Hope that helps.
it was extremely triggering and if you're Native, you'll likely be a mess during this film. Worth it, but prepare yourself for old wounds to be reopened.
I did a college course on Native American history but I never heard of the Osage Murders until I read Killers of the Flower Moon a couple of years ago.
We the grand children of the original 2229 head right owners did not know about our history or that we we’re Osage because of fear and stigma, at least that is how it was for me. I finally found out I was Native American at the age of 12 attending my great uncles funeral. The movie which I got to see tonight was hard for me to watch the first 20 minutes and I hardly breathed for the rest. I thank Martin Scorsese for such dedication in making his last film for my people without the book and the movie our tragic story would still be silence in the wind.
The Osage was a beautiful culture willing to be shared if not for greed that corrupted the relationships. I love the scene where it was encouraged for one to sit still and listen to the rain. Beautiful reminder of what we take for granted.
They still are beautiful because they still exist. This is a historic fact and I am not trying to be smarter than you. I read the book, saw the movie and did my research. Many horrific actions by white people towards Native Indigenous tribe named Osage. A very dark story not even taught in our schools or universities. Shameful.
The rain scene is a beautiful reminder. Not being Osage, though it is relatable through being a believer in God where He has led me to a point in life where turning off music / YT / electrical noise to listen to the rain and wind of the storm is deeply peaceful. Those who spiritually walk with the Creator enjoy His Beauty and Love.
@@MIMAFAITHFRIDA1 - The good, bad and ugly of our shared human evils are to be accounted for, told, known. No tribe is innocent, every individual has fallen short. Not saying every person, every family, every tribe commits the same evils in some kind of artificial sense of "Equality", but we human beings are too good at being hypocrites as to our own people's sins, which is patently not gonna fly before God who is Perfect. ( Who knows how many untold sins are unaccounted for on this side of Heaven? Cover-ups will be exposed, sooner or later in the Afterlife. Judgment Day. Still, we should honor God in telling the Truth about our histories, the good and the sin. Telling of the evils perpetrated against the Osage tribe are long overdue. )
@thevravimarsakan1816 - These are stories among OTHER stories of America: "It is a story that happened in the whole of America". There are more stories to honor. ALL of history should be sought out, if you are an actual Truth-Seeker. Including massacres / slavery / theft / evils committed intra-tribal WITHOUT European influence. Slavery in Africa BEFORE European cooperation in that specific evil in America. ( So, can we agree to teach these truths about tribal evils, the Osage Tragedy, Tulsa Tragedy, and so on, i.e. Tribal, European, African, the totality of Greed, Racism, Injustice? )
Being of Choctaw and Cherokee blood... and not blue-eyed. I loved this movie... saw it with my sisters and it was truly great to see all this work pay out to tell the truth of how white people were murdering the Osage and how white men were purposely trying to marry Osage women to get to the oil money... it is a great movie
The movie was little long for me. But is one of the greatest depictions of Native American condition in my opinion. I see Native Americans differently now and can understand their struggle and distrust.
I learned about the Osage murders from a podcast called “In Trust”. I’m glad this history is being brought to light. It’s far more interesting than the same old sequels, remakes, and superhero nonsense we’ve been subjected to.
More movies need to be made like this about what was done to the sweet, nature-loving Native Americans. We were lied to in grade school; they covered things up and miseducated us.
I've saying been saying for a while that Native Americans should now get more coverage than other, more well known minorities. But then I get mobbed by woke people saying "You don't know the suffering of group A or B!" and "You're not a Native American, so you don't get to speak for them!" Maybe this big budget film by an Italian American will start to change their minds.
While the first part is true, i.e. that the more grim part of our history needs to be more widely known, you might want to rethink the term "sweet, nature-loving Native Americans." Its a microaggression and its patronizing. They are humans and complex individuals with complex histories just like every other human on this planet.
@@michaelaugust4313 There are some bad people in every culture. But the Native Americans, on the whole, were much more sensitive to the harmony and balance of nature than our current culture is.
@@MeBihhhh The schools don’t teach middle-school kids about Tammany Hall and Democrat mafia/union corruption either, get over it. Come to think of it, William Hale was a Democrat big shot…
How is this not in our history books? So sad ...But this was such a great movie and I really do hope it wins all of the awards! I would highly recommend this movie to anyone and everyone! Please go watch it in the theater, you will not be disappointed.
Due to the aversion to telling the truth in history, the Oklahoma State Superintendent of Schools, Ryan Walters, won’t “allow” it to be taught. Teachers won’t use the book for novel studies in fear of being dismissed because a state law doesn’t want a student to feel uncomfortable about what their ancestors did. Hogwash. Talk about snowflakes! Understanding history should make a lot of us feel uncomfortable!
I admire how accurate this movie was with all the details. DiCaprio's character was an interesting character study, someone who seemed to genuinely love his family but ultimately a villain who was willing to kill them. I genuinely felt for him when his child died, even though he was such a horrible person in all other aspects. I also hate how everyone got off so lightly, especially Hale, who got out of it less scathed than Ernest despite being the mastermind behind the whole thing.
@warrioroftruth6307I'd push back that statement; the fact that Ernest was manipulated throughout his whole childhood. It's fair to say that "you don't love someone if you're willing to kill them." you're not wrong. However, I can't help but look at it from his perspective. He was always manipulated, peer pressured, and most likely abused mentally and physically. In the movie he states that he "fears" his uncle and i believe that to be true.
@@MooNLight21400 Towards the end when they show Ernest in the house surrounded by “his peers” it seems like he was slow mentally and possibly why it was easily to manipulate him. How quickly you could repeat something and he would switch and believe what you told him as truth.
It’s sad because they pretended to care about them. They pretended to be their friends and family but they were the killers all along. They even learned to speak their native language. The level of infiltration and deceit and murder that took place was just unforgivable and disgusting. They even betrayed their own kind, if that’s not a Snake I don’t know what is. Just a truly shocking and shameful event in American history. These series of unfortunate events that happened to minority groups in North America are exactly why they are the way they are now in todays times. It’s why they don’t trust you, it’s why they want nothing to do with you and y’all can’t even apologize for the things your ancestors did. It’s so shameful, I feel ashamed to be human around you.
@@mayarafazvlog which is almost all of it. Only continents they couldn’t take were Africa and Asia. Other than those, every other continent is inhabited by mostly foreign colonists descendants
I found DiCaprio astonishing in Killers Of The Flower Moon. It's such a radical against type performance, a role that John Cazale would have played in the 1970s and he nails every single scene. He's so committed and immersed in being this vile, dumb, uncharismatic, and spineless buffoon, and its one of his greatest, most grounded and most lived in performances ever. It's an absolute shame and shock that he was snubbed by the Academy and robbed of an Oscar nomination. It's a performance (and film) that will simply endure and have a lasting impact on everyone for years beyond this awards season of the moment.
@@georgesouthwick7000 I did. Went to the Barnes and Noble next to the theatre as soon as it was over. I knew about the Tulsa massacre but not this piece of history. Read it and made made my kids read it as well.
@@MeBihhhh you don’t live through jack, you grew up playing Xbox and texting thots on your cell phone lol. It’s like me a white man claiming I lived thru the depression.
Remember seeing movie: The FBI Story starring Jimmy Stewart. In it briefly had scenes of a couple being blown up in their home because they were rich. Wonder if it's the same story as Osage murders? Kudos for upload.Sad n angry this happened to Osage nation! Anticipating ur next one. Peace
The last two summers my high school did a reading lollapalooza where each student read two books over the summer. In the second summer in 2019 I choose Killers of the Flower Moon. I thought it was an amazing book and I remember thinking at the time that it had the makings of a movie. So, I was excited when I learned it was being made into a movie. I just watched it and I thought it was amazing.
History is filled with tragedy and tragedy often is the offspring of greed and, while we should remember as much, we should do so with a realistic perspective that historically justice has not always been served and that remembrance is necessary where it is absent... KDM
The story of Agent Tom White was cool, too. As corrupt as the Hale family was, Tom White family were like something out of a classic Old West tv series or movies, an upstanding family.
This film was incredibly disturbing but brilliant. I personally find it hard to believe that Ernest had any love for Molly in reality and I think he was driven completely by greed. I hope this wins Best Picture.
I heard about the movie and found The Killers of The Flower Moon that was written about 15 years ago. I read this book in about three days! A history of a criminal family and cohorts who murdered the wealthy Osage. I couldn't put the book down. It is definitely worth reading, there is so much more to the story I loved the movie by the way
When I saw this movie on the weekend after I watched it I thought to myself this is the exact same thing that happened in Canada with the indigenous children murdered and the Canadian government covered it up
And Australia w Indigenous and NZ w Māori. Jemaine Clement from Flight of the Conchords has an interview with Māori TV presenter Moana available on UA-cam in which he breaks down talking about his grandmother’s treatment in government schools.
Powerful movie. Glad it was done right. Its criminal that we arent taught this in America. I was also surprised they spoke on the Tulsa massacre in this film.
Have to read the book and watch the movie, only heard snippets of this sinister tragedy here and there in my youth but now I will go into the rabbit hole.
@@AmericanTeacher-USA The colonizers had no problem surviving. Bill Halle was already rich. These actions are pure evil. The pilgrims were not starving in England. They were just not filthy rich like the blue bloods.
@@AmericanTeacher-USAthat’s horse shit, many of these men were already wealthy. Don’t excuse excessive greed under the false pretense of survival instinct
Sad what was done to Osage, money is the devil root of all evil. Hope this movie opens people’s eyes to American history and how this country treats the original settlers of this great land we call America.
Touched on Tulsa massacre, funny these things were happening at same time. Did you know that HGTV Pioneer Woman's husband is getting benefits from the Osage scandal?
As someone who bases his movies off his actors interpretations mainly, I can see his point. You could put me in a Marvel movie and they'd make me look good with all the CGI. However, it is cinema at its purest anyway. Why? Well, you don't need a movie based on an interpretation for it to be a movie. If silent cartoon movies were cinema and Studio Ghibli IS cinema, then The Avengers IS cinema. Inevitably. Now, whether it is good or bad cinema is up to us. If cinema is "movies, or the art of making movies" and a movie is a mere "recording of moving images", then it is cinema.
He didn't actually say that directly, & it was blown out of proportion. He expressed concerns about "theme park movies" long before Marvel dominated the scene.
This movie made me cry. Many people are gonna disagree with me on this and that's totally fine but... I felt for not only the Osage tribe but I also felt for ernest. What he did was wicked and evil no doubt about it. And his actions are hugely unjustified. However, the way how he's portrayed in the film really makes me feel Sympathetic For him. I feel like if Ernest had overcomed his greed and his cowardice Towards his Uncle then he could've prevented this from getting worse. And I know it's debatable on whether or not he loved her, but I'm more on the side of he did. The problem lies with his greed and cowardice Outweighing his love for his family and wife. Overall this film was really beautiful and made me feel so many emotions watching it from start the finish highly recommend.
The Osage had to sell the land they were moved to in Kansas because the US gov't wanted it for immigrants. They bought their land in Oklahoma from the Cherokee.
@@pattimaeda6097but it's true. Don't feel attacked just because that is actual history. It's damn near world history with what happened when Europeans gave a visit to every continent and island.
A good but sad movie. Greed is a serious problem. Even today, some people will go as far as possible to get what they want the easy way. Ernest was slow and simple. Though he made it appear like he didn't know the impact of his actions, he carried some of them out ruthlessly. A simple but dangerous man. Molly was so trusting and blinded by her "husband" that she never thought his could be involved. It is not the traditional Martin film but it was a good watch. Over the course of 3 days after coming home late from work, I completed the film. I fell asleep some night's. This film is deserving of more recognition
Good film for history buffs. Tragic untold story. The time span was when radio personality Paul Harvey’s father was a lawman killed when Paul (Aurant) was a child. “During the dirt road days of Oklahoma “. It was a rough lace. Hale was born in 1874. A fertile time to develop a dehumanized mindset of Natives. Easy to kill.
The tragic events of this piece of history were so elaborate that the movie basically wrote itself. This film was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
This is an example of humanity’s capability for evil, but human beings can be compassionate and empathetic too. It’s always better to tell the truth about history. Every nation and group around the globe has history like this. Acknowledging that history doesn’t make generations today guilty. Hopefully it helps us avoid tragedies like this in the future. We aren’t even condemning the United States by telling this history. For every murderer, there were people who condemned crime, racism, and injustice.
My family has deep roots in Osage county. My grandmother knows the descendants of this piece of history. Its awful what the government allowed and participated in. A stain on American history.
No one “granted” us our land. Our Osage Nation bought the land back from the Cherokees, so that we would have a place that we could live that the US could not steal again. The Osage tribe had initially given that land over to the US to settle the eastern tribes, in exchange for a permanent reservation in Kansas. That didn’t even last a century, which is why the tribe bought the land in Oklahoma, to be ours forever. And within 30 years the USA did their best to take that away. Then the events of the movie happened.
I love these thumbnails, it’s like no shit leo isnt the real guy so that’s fiction, but a picture of the actual Ernest is an actual picture of Ernest so it’s fact
@@filmbuff2777 Flower Moon is longer. I personally think both movies are as long as they need to be. I like Oppenheimer a little better because it's shorter.
It's interesting that you are more enamored with a movie about a white man who built a bomb to drop on brown people and felt guilty about it...from afar, than white men who killed brown people up close with banality and felt no guilt at all.
I didn’t hear about this before the film. Watching this movie made me furious. It makes me think about other events that were hidden from the public like the Tulsa massacre. That was mentioned in this film.
The hype for this film is more interesting than sitting through the film, but that's the genius point. People want to look at it like a Scorsese masterpiece, but it isn't. It's the message that's important. The story of this atrocity and others must be forced into the American psyche. We need to reevaluate who we are.
@connordebruler3264 because it is, as you put it, "forcing the story of these atrocities into the American psyche".... although it is ignorant as hell that it takes a movie to make the American public understand what REALLY happened, this is where we are. The film is brilliantly acted, directed and edited. And instead of picking up a book or using the supercomputer that most people have in their pocket at all times to do independent research, this movie will be the closest most people will come to the truth of the matter.
Good movie but,I would love to see this story directed thru an Native American directors eyes. Is that even a thing? Are there native American directors in Hollywood?
Unfortunately HIStory has been fed to Americans for far too long. There is pain, hardship, and truth in the history of this country. But THEY don’t want it taught in fear of children feeling guilty. Well maybe that’s what it takes to end racism.
What an overacted carácter DiCaprio does! Horrible! I feel sorry for Scorsese, even if I recognise his lifetime work of course. DeNiro just doing amazing as always.
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No. Not nothing about it. It's disgusting and damn shameful
I believe it's this film's predecessor
No nothing about it
I am Osage and this horrible story has permeated every day since my childhood when I was cautioned about telling others my tribe.
Hollywood needs filmmakers like Scorsese more than ever
Especially the old-school ones
Time to bring Coppola out of retirement.
Completely agree with you.
And leave the co operate superhero stuff behind
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521He's still making movies.
My favorite fact was that when Ernest was cremated, he requested his ashes spread over the old Osage territory he lived at. His son threw the ashes off a bridge instead.
Down the toilet would have been more appropriate.
Such an awful situation. family is all there is in this world. Family can hurt you but they'll never not be your family, which makes this all the more tragic.
@@Nikolai12he poisoned the kids’ mother, I’d say it’s kinda justified to want nothing to do with him.
@@Fedrowreviewalso killed three of his aunts and his grandmother
He wanted his ashes to haunt that land forever glad his own son saw through his bs
The movie was incredible. A horrific tale of American greed told through some intense, tragic storytelling. The ending was creative and beautiful.
Their story is very reminiscent of Tulsa Oklahoma Black Wall Street because they too made their wealth because of oil being discovered in the lands the settled in.
Tulsa is briefly referenced in the movie.
White greed
@@GODSOFFOOTBALLGOLD It was a horrific tale of a few greedy Americans in a small town. It was not a tale of “American greed.”
Do not falsely accuse an entire country for the evil and greedy deeds of a few.
It's not Americans' greed. It's Jew's and Mason's. More and more reasons for you people to stand with Palestine.
Having read the book in college, I knew the story going into the film. So glad it’s documented on the big screen. History is truly dark but needs to be preserved.
See I also read it in college and had a project on it and took it very seriously. Is the movie that good? I don’t want any kinda disrespect or money grabbing action or drama scenes cause having read and studied the book and material around it, I just can’t handle any disrespect.
This movie was incredible but also very tragic especially for the Osage. I’m so glad Scorsese took on this story and consulted with the tribe.
It's disgusting what they did to these people. For hundreds of years- damn shameful is what it is.
They murder them for that darn awful black gold Oil that has turned many dark hearted greedy people into Moral-less killers.
Think this story is something think about all the stories the Black American Negro has....
I agree. And this isn’t even 100 years old. This is recent history and it’s disgusting
Still happens today and still hidden
It’s more sad finally understanding the reason my grand parent was so against the doctors n hospitals. I never really understood I thought I knew but now I know
Lily Gladstone deserves an Oscar
@@ReggieWilson-gm5dlHer chances of winning definitely would’ve been higher if she’d campaigned as a supporting actress, however it seems that she’ll campaign as lead where she’ll still have a chance to win but I do think she’ll fall short unfortunately, probably to Emma Stone
@@ReggieWilson-gm5dl I mean sure if she only wanted to win, but maybe it’s more of a statement for her to be nominated as a lead actress
@@ReggieWilson-gm5dl Yea it makes sense, but I also see why she’d want to go lead when she might be the most important part of the film
I agree
Yes. I also see an Oscar here for Leonardo and Robert
Myi cousin was in this film, speaking role and everything! She told me about it last year when Scorsese called her in for ADR work last summer. She played Molliie's housekeeper.
That's so neat!
Cool!
I just saw it she served her toast!
I remember reading or hearing about this. My family is Cherokee and any incidents/information involving other tribes are surprisingly increased in the sharing of or retelling of such stories.
This is not a movie I would be able to sit through at the theater. I would be an emotional ball of nerves probably crying the whole way through. I cry easily anyway with sad and even happy movies. I do plan to see this but from my living room. I can stop and restart the movie as needed.
Kudos to them for finally telling this horrible story 😢
It's also really long. My nephew told me to wait and stream it and/or rent it. He's a sensitive man and said it would be far too hard for me to see in the theater. My grandmother was a Chicksaw. I also taught U.S. history and wrote my dissertation on the Kickapoo Indians. I feel the same as you do. I would always tell my students that the portions of the course regarding Native Americans was not for the faint of heart. I can tell you I have never been in a casino after everything I know. I'll be crying at home too. Hope that helps.
it was extremely triggering and if you're Native, you'll likely be a mess during this film. Worth it, but prepare yourself for old wounds to be reopened.
I was boiling inside during the whole movie, and I'm not even Native American. I just can't stand injustice.
The Osage brought their land from the Cherokee. Waiting for them to do one on the Drummond family next.
@@historyraven99have you watched it yet? Just finished it and I thought it was incredible.
I did a college course on Native American history but I never heard of the Osage Murders until I read Killers of the Flower Moon a couple of years ago.
We the grand children of the original 2229 head right owners did not know about our history or that we we’re Osage because of fear and stigma, at least that is how it was for me. I finally found out I was Native American at the age of 12 attending my great uncles funeral. The movie which I got to see tonight was hard for me to watch the first 20 minutes and I hardly breathed for the rest. I thank Martin Scorsese for such dedication in making his last film for my people without the book and the movie our tragic story would still be silence in the wind.
Are you ready surprised by this?
Yeah, the murders were covered up even amongst the academic world. That's how corrupt it was.
Probably because it’s total bullshit
Blame the republicans
The Osage was a beautiful culture willing to be shared if not for greed that corrupted the relationships. I love the scene where it was encouraged for one to sit still and listen to the rain. Beautiful reminder of what we take for granted.
They still are beautiful because they still exist. This is a historic fact and I am not trying to be smarter than you. I read the book, saw the movie and did my research. Many horrific actions by white people towards Native Indigenous tribe named Osage. A very dark story not even taught in our schools or universities. Shameful.
The rain scene is a beautiful reminder. Not being Osage, though it is relatable through being a believer in God where He has led me to a point in life where turning off music / YT / electrical noise to listen to the rain and wind of the storm is deeply peaceful. Those who spiritually walk with the Creator enjoy His Beauty and Love.
@@MIMAFAITHFRIDA1 - The good, bad and ugly of our shared human evils are to be accounted for, told, known. No tribe is innocent, every individual has fallen short. Not saying every person, every family, every tribe commits the same evils in some kind of artificial sense of "Equality", but we human beings are too good at being hypocrites as to our own people's sins, which is patently not gonna fly before God who is Perfect. ( Who knows how many untold sins are unaccounted for on this side of Heaven? Cover-ups will be exposed, sooner or later in the Afterlife. Judgment Day. Still, we should honor God in telling the Truth about our histories, the good and the sin. Telling of the evils perpetrated against the Osage tribe are long overdue. )
This is not just a story that happened on the flower moon. It is a story that happened in the whole of America.
💯
Well-stated.
Indeed, with natives or black like in Tulsa as shown in the movie
@thevravimarsakan1816 - These are stories among OTHER stories of America: "It is a story that happened in the whole of America". There are more stories to honor. ALL of history should be sought out, if you are an actual Truth-Seeker. Including massacres / slavery / theft / evils committed intra-tribal WITHOUT European influence. Slavery in Africa BEFORE European cooperation in that specific evil in America. ( So, can we agree to teach these truths about tribal evils, the Osage Tragedy, Tulsa Tragedy, and so on, i.e. Tribal, European, African, the totality of Greed, Racism, Injustice? )
and now the reverse must happen, let them taste their own medicine
The movie and cast was just perfect! It was good seeing Brendan Fraser and John Lithgow on this as well. The music score is chefs kiss!
Being of Choctaw and Cherokee blood... and not blue-eyed. I loved this movie... saw it with my sisters and it was truly great to see all this work pay out to tell the truth of how white people were murdering the Osage and how white men were purposely trying to marry Osage women to get to the oil money... it is a great movie
Exactly. They won't say yt people. Clearly evil greedy yt people.
This is more extreme but some still do it for per capita.
The movie was little long for me.
But is one of the greatest depictions of Native American condition in my opinion.
I see Native Americans differently now and can understand their struggle and distrust.
I learned about the Osage murders from a podcast called “In Trust”. I’m glad this history is being brought to light. It’s far more interesting than the same old sequels, remakes, and superhero nonsense we’ve been subjected to.
Excellent podcast and really important for anyone wanting more history. Including of the “Pioneer Woman” Drummond family’s involvement.
Saw the movie today. Leonardos acting left me speechless. He is the best actor of all times!
He should a Oscar for this movie I hated the Revenent.
The book writer said it was likely 100 deaths , murders or more and they didn’t have proper documentation of what happened
Being Osage and Creek it was good to see our story told.
And by Scorcesee to add.
My heart goes out to you and your loved ones, prayers the telling of this story brings us closer to halting the continuing evils of systemic racism
I just saw this movie and it was amazing!!!!
Im glad the story was told I never about it but when the movie came on I already knew what it was about. Steal kill and lie is their culture
More movies need to be made like this about what was done to the sweet, nature-loving Native Americans. We were lied to in grade school; they covered things up and miseducated us.
Not all of them were sweet or loving
I've saying been saying for a while that Native Americans should now get more coverage than other, more well known minorities. But then I get mobbed by woke people saying "You don't know the suffering of group A or B!" and "You're not a Native American, so you don't get to speak for them!" Maybe this big budget film by an Italian American will start to change their minds.
History is white washed.
While the first part is true, i.e. that the more grim part of our history needs to be more widely known, you might want to rethink the term "sweet, nature-loving Native Americans." Its a microaggression and its patronizing. They are humans and complex individuals with complex histories just like every other human on this planet.
@@michaelaugust4313 There are some bad people in every culture. But the Native Americans, on the whole, were much more sensitive to the harmony and balance of nature than our current culture is.
This is something they should talk about in all schools...
Alot of things they leave out of history.
You know why they don’t.
Republican Party
@@MeBihhhh The schools don’t teach middle-school kids about Tammany Hall and Democrat mafia/union corruption either, get over it. Come to think of it, William Hale was a Democrat big shot…
I wish we were taught accurate history in school. Yes it’s oftentimes heavy and tragic but it’s important to learn.
How is this not in our history books? So sad ...But this was such a great movie and I really do hope it wins all of the awards! I would highly recommend this movie to anyone and everyone! Please go watch it in the theater, you will not be disappointed.
Due to the aversion to telling the truth in history, the Oklahoma State Superintendent of Schools, Ryan Walters, won’t “allow” it to be taught. Teachers won’t use the book for novel studies in fear of being dismissed because a state law doesn’t want a student to feel uncomfortable about what their ancestors did. Hogwash. Talk about snowflakes! Understanding history should make a lot of us feel uncomfortable!
"How is this not in our history books?" bahahahaha. Who do you think is writing most of American history books?
I read the unwritten history
Probably for the same reason why Tulsa massacre wasn’t mention
Really? Do you like the the United States of America!!! They have been hiding TRUE history for decades
I admire how accurate this movie was with all the details. DiCaprio's character was an interesting character study, someone who seemed to genuinely love his family but ultimately a villain who was willing to kill them. I genuinely felt for him when his child died, even though he was such a horrible person in all other aspects. I also hate how everyone got off so lightly, especially Hale, who got out of it less scathed than Ernest despite being the mastermind behind the whole thing.
@warrioroftruth6307I'd push back that statement; the fact that Ernest was manipulated throughout his whole childhood. It's fair to say that "you don't love someone if you're willing to kill them." you're not wrong. However, I can't help but look at it from his perspective. He was always manipulated, peer pressured, and most likely abused mentally and physically. In the movie he states that he "fears" his uncle and i believe that to be true.
@@MooNLight21400Ernest was impressionable, cowardly, weak willed and not very smart.
@@MooNLight21400 Towards the end when they show Ernest in the house surrounded by “his peers” it seems like he was slow mentally and possibly why it was easily to manipulate him. How quickly you could repeat something and he would switch and believe what you told him as truth.
It’s sad because they pretended to care about them. They pretended to be their friends and family but they were the killers all along. They even learned to speak their native language. The level of infiltration and deceit and murder that took place was just unforgivable and disgusting. They even betrayed their own kind, if that’s not a Snake I don’t know what is. Just a truly shocking and shameful event in American history.
These series of unfortunate events that happened to minority groups in North America are exactly why they are the way they are now in todays times. It’s why they don’t trust you, it’s why they want nothing to do with you and y’all can’t even apologize for the things your ancestors did. It’s so shameful, I feel ashamed to be human around you.
Not just North America but every place on earth who had suffer through colonazation.
@@mayarafazvlog which is almost all of it. Only continents they couldn’t take were Africa and Asia. Other than those, every other continent is inhabited by mostly foreign colonists descendants
Fantastic film, easily one to the year's top 5. I'd be excited if they get back to adapting "The Devil in the White City".
I found DiCaprio astonishing in Killers Of The Flower Moon. It's such a radical against type performance, a role that John Cazale would have played in the 1970s and he nails every single scene.
He's so committed and immersed in being this vile, dumb, uncharismatic, and spineless buffoon, and its one of his greatest, most grounded and most lived in performances ever.
It's an absolute shame and shock that he was snubbed by the Academy and robbed of an Oscar nomination. It's a performance (and film) that will simply endure and have a lasting impact on everyone for years beyond this awards season of the moment.
Seen this movie three times and it’s an artwork of a masterpiece
Seeing this Monday! Cannot wait!
A very well made movie that watching it once won’t give it justice. Leo I felt overshadowed De Niro especially how dark his character is
Saw this movie and was shocked that I never heard this piece of history before. We have a way of turning a blind eye to an uncomfortable past.
If you want the factual story, read the book. Like all movies, the purpose of this one is to entertain, not educate.
@@georgesouthwick7000 I did. Went to the Barnes and Noble next to the theatre as soon as it was over. I knew about the Tulsa massacre but not this piece of history. Read it and made made my kids read it as well.
Only wt folks turned a blind eye everyone else lived it.
By we do you mean white people? Because “we” lived through this and are very aware
Blame the Republican party for you not knowing this
@@MeBihhhh you don’t live through jack, you grew up playing Xbox and texting thots on your cell phone lol. It’s like me a white man claiming I lived thru the depression.
The fragility of so many in our country over truth in history is stomach turning.
I listened to the audiobook ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and can't wait to see this movie. It looks to be a great movie about a heartbreaking story.
Ditto
Lily Gladstone better win that Oscar!!!
Remember seeing movie: The FBI Story starring Jimmy Stewart. In it briefly had scenes of a couple being blown up in their home because they were rich. Wonder if it's the same story as Osage murders?
Kudos for upload.Sad n angry this happened to Osage nation! Anticipating ur next one. Peace
Yes. It is depicting the Osage murders.
William Hale reminds me of Alex Murdaugh: a wolf in sheep’s clothing who had everyone fooled and shocked by their arrest
Hale reminds me of another manipulator we should open our eyes to.
The Osage murders were actually covered, albeit briefly, in film in the 50’s called “The FBI Story” about the origins of the FBI.
The last two summers my high school did a reading lollapalooza where each student read two books over the summer. In the second summer in 2019 I choose Killers of the Flower Moon. I thought it was an amazing book and I remember thinking at the time that it had the makings of a movie. So, I was excited when I learned it was being made into a movie. I just watched it and I thought it was amazing.
My English class did something similar. Nothing good, just read book and write a review and present it to class.
I did “In Cold Blood.”
DiCaprio definitely deserves an Oscar for this one.
A few people in this film do
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Gladstone, too!
Deniro as well matter of fact I'm pissed off that Downey got it but not De Niro.
Leonardo wasn’t nominated for an Oscar. Lily was.
I love Martin Scorsese's movies. He's my favorite film maker!
History is filled with tragedy and tragedy often is the offspring of greed and, while we should remember as much, we should do so with a realistic perspective that historically justice has not always been served and that remembrance is necessary where it is absent... KDM
Just watched the movie. Worth every single second, their story need to be told
The story of Agent Tom White was cool, too. As corrupt as the Hale family was, Tom White family were like something out of a classic Old West tv series or movies, an upstanding family.
Amazing video Rebecca from watch mojo of the true facts of killers of the flower moon,fantastic job.
Harry S Truman’s first act as president was to pardon Wm. Hale. Look it up.
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This movie has two cameos in it that I was not expecting.
Who?
@@dr.manhattan7283 wish I could tell you. They show up close to the end though.
Scorsese and Brendan Fraser?
It's a wild west reference for sure
@@dr.manhattan7283biden and trump
This film was incredibly disturbing but brilliant. I personally find it hard to believe that Ernest had any love for Molly in reality and I think he was driven completely by greed. I hope this wins Best Picture.
It might. They often award it to dull, bloated tripe.
I heard about the movie and found The Killers of The Flower Moon that was written about 15 years ago. I read this book in about three days! A history of a criminal family and cohorts who murdered the wealthy Osage. I couldn't put the book down. It is definitely worth reading, there is so much more to the story I loved the movie by the way
I hated DiCaprio so much when I watch this. He’s such a great actor
When I saw this movie on the weekend after I watched it I thought to myself this is the exact same thing that happened in Canada with the indigenous children murdered and the Canadian government covered it up
And Australia w Indigenous and NZ w Māori. Jemaine Clement from Flight of the Conchords has an interview with Māori TV presenter Moana available on UA-cam in which he breaks down talking about his grandmother’s treatment in government schools.
You should do the same thing with Escape From Pretoria.
Powerful movie. Glad it was done right. Its criminal that we arent taught this in America. I was also surprised they spoke on the Tulsa massacre in this film.
Have to read the book and watch the movie, only heard snippets of this sinister tragedy here and there in my youth but now I will go into the rabbit hole.
The book is totally worth it.
Lmao I just finished watching the movie literally an hour ago😂😂😂yall right on time wit this video💯
Yes. Also read the deaths of Sybil Bolton. This was NOT an isolated problem.
My goodness there is more.... How depraved do you have to be to commit such atrocities.
@@AldiAldiFPenLooks like men do whatever they need to .... to survive.
As do we all.
@@AmericanTeacher-USA The colonizers had no problem surviving. Bill Halle was already rich. These actions are pure evil. The pilgrims were not starving in England. They were just not filthy rich like the blue bloods.
@@AmericanTeacher-USAthat’s horse shit, many of these men were already wealthy. Don’t excuse excessive greed under the false pretense of survival instinct
The movie is perfection
Sad what was done to Osage, money is the devil root of all evil. Hope this movie opens people’s eyes to American history and how this country treats the original settlers of this great land we call America.
Everyone should watch this. It is a history and ethics lesson.
This is one of the best movies I have ever seen!! I wish I could erase it from my mind, and rewatch it all over again.
It was an excellent, important film. More stories need to be told!
Just saw this today, it's brilliant. Gladstone, DiCaprio and Scorsese will be nominated for many awards.
Nominated but no wins except for Gladstone thankfully.
This movie is incredible
I had heard of the Osage Murders in passing, and usually in connection with the overall ill treatment of the Native Nations.
I cant stop thinking about this film. I watched it last thurday AND I am still looking for others comment about this.
Killers Of The Flower Moon was so good. Deniro. DiCrapio. Native American true story. 3 1/2 hours and I could have gone for more. ❤🍿
I’m glad this movie was made, we need a Tulsa Oklahoma movie
Touched on Tulsa massacre, funny these things were happening at same time. Did you know that HGTV Pioneer Woman's husband is getting benefits from the Osage scandal?
Black Wall Street of course it needs a movie WHY did Watchmen have to tell it but not Hollywood.
@@Thespeedrap Watchmen is Hollywood.
@@bendover7841 I know I meant it's ashame that a comic book show had to tell the story but not a major movie studio won't do it.
Loved this video and show/movie. Thank you
"Marvel is NOT cinema"
- Martin Scorsese
Cant blame him. He’s old hollywood. Also new marvel movies blow
As someone who bases his movies off his actors interpretations mainly, I can see his point. You could put me in a Marvel movie and they'd make me look good with all the CGI.
However, it is cinema at its purest anyway. Why? Well, you don't need a movie based on an interpretation for it to be a movie. If silent cartoon movies were cinema and Studio Ghibli IS cinema, then The Avengers IS cinema. Inevitably. Now, whether it is good or bad cinema is up to us. If cinema is "movies, or the art of making movies" and a movie is a mere "recording of moving images", then it is cinema.
He didn't actually say that directly, & it was blown out of proportion. He expressed concerns about "theme park movies" long before Marvel dominated the scene.
@@microondasletalthey could indeed make you "look" good with CGI, but you can't cover up shitty acting with a computer
Who gives a shit? You can like both.
This movie made me cry. Many people are gonna disagree with me on this and that's totally fine but... I felt for not only the Osage tribe but I also felt for ernest.
What he did was wicked and evil no doubt about it. And his actions are hugely unjustified.
However, the way how he's portrayed in the film really makes me feel Sympathetic For him. I feel like if Ernest had overcomed his greed and his cowardice Towards his Uncle then he could've prevented this from getting worse. And I know it's debatable on whether or not he loved her, but I'm more on the side of he did. The problem lies with his greed and cowardice Outweighing his love for his family and wife.
Overall this film was really beautiful and made me feel so many emotions watching it from start the finish highly recommend.
The Osage had to sell the land they were moved to in Kansas because the US gov't wanted it for immigrants. They bought their land in Oklahoma from the Cherokee.
Here's American History for ya folks.......nobody black or brown has ever gotten a fair shake in this country even in death
Racist
@@pattimaeda6097but it's true. Don't feel attacked just because that is actual history. It's damn near world history with what happened when Europeans gave a visit to every continent and island.
Perhaps it is old fashioned GREED as the Bible tells about. Every race and people have greed.
Sure seems that way.......
My dad and I watched killers of the flower moon yesterday and it was so powerful. lily gladstone is so powerful In this movie.
A good but sad movie. Greed is a serious problem. Even today, some people will go as far as possible to get what they want the easy way. Ernest was slow and simple. Though he made it appear like he didn't know the impact of his actions, he carried some of them out ruthlessly. A simple but dangerous man. Molly was so trusting and blinded by her "husband" that she never thought his could be involved. It is not the traditional Martin film but it was a good watch. Over the course of 3 days after coming home late from work, I completed the film. I fell asleep some night's. This film is deserving of more recognition
Watched it 2 times I need to watch it again. Such a great film it’s a masterpiece ❤
Good film for history buffs. Tragic untold story. The time span was when radio personality Paul Harvey’s father was a lawman killed when Paul (Aurant) was a child. “During the dirt road days of Oklahoma “. It was a rough lace.
Hale was born in 1874. A fertile time to develop a dehumanized mindset of Natives. Easy to kill.
The tragic events of this piece of history were so elaborate that the movie basically wrote itself. This film was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
I just got home from watching! GREAT MOVIE
Proof scorsese still got and hollywood still need him as the go to man to tell us on a grad scale these collosal tragedies on the big screen.
Anyone wanna bring up that William Hale is a 32nd degree free mason? That’s all I’ve been thinking about since seeing the movie. Creeeepy
This is an example of humanity’s capability for evil, but human beings can be compassionate and empathetic too. It’s always better to tell the truth about history. Every nation and group around the globe has history like this. Acknowledging that history doesn’t make generations today guilty. Hopefully it helps us avoid tragedies like this in the future. We aren’t even condemning the United States by telling this history. For every murderer, there were people who condemned crime, racism, and injustice.
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My family has deep roots in Osage county. My grandmother knows the descendants of this piece of history. Its awful what the government allowed and participated in. A stain on American history.
Any descendants of the white men that killed natives? Or have any native wives still around.
What the government allows and participated in. Not past tense. Especially in Oklahoma.
The background is so good
No one “granted” us our land. Our Osage Nation bought the land back from the Cherokees, so that we would have a place that we could live that the US could not steal again. The Osage tribe had initially given that land over to the US to settle the eastern tribes, in exchange for a permanent reservation in Kansas. That didn’t even last a century, which is why the tribe bought the land in Oklahoma, to be ours forever. And within 30 years the USA did their best to take that away. Then the events of the movie happened.
I love these thumbnails, it’s like no shit leo isnt the real guy so that’s fiction, but a picture of the actual Ernest is an actual picture of Ernest so it’s fact
The most American movie I’ve ever seen. we need more truth on the screens not remakes.
100% agree
I wish this movie were a bit longer
After watching.i wish they made a mini series about it
Just saw it. Amazing movie. One of the year's best, possibly second only to Oppenheimer.
This is far better than Oppenheimer, which I found needlessly complicated & insufferably long.
@@filmbuff2777 Flower Moon is longer. I personally think both movies are as long as they need to be. I like Oppenheimer a little better because it's shorter.
It's interesting that you are more enamored with a movie about a white man who built a bomb to drop on brown people and felt guilty about it...from afar, than white men who killed brown people up close with banality and felt no guilt at all.
@@februaryschild0216 I don't know about all that. I just think it's a better movie.
Flower moon is way better than oppenheimer
I didn’t hear about this before the film. Watching this movie made me furious. It makes me think about other events that were hidden from the public like the Tulsa massacre. That was mentioned in this film.
The hype for this film is more interesting than sitting through the film, but that's the genius point. People want to look at it like a Scorsese masterpiece, but it isn't. It's the message that's important. The story of this atrocity and others must be forced into the American psyche. We need to reevaluate who we are.
Um, it is a brilliant film.
@@filmbuff2777 how?
@connordebruler3264 because it is, as you put it, "forcing the story of these atrocities into the American psyche".... although it is ignorant as hell that it takes a movie to make the American public understand what REALLY happened, this is where we are.
The film is brilliantly acted, directed and edited. And instead of picking up a book or using the supercomputer that most people have in their pocket at all times to do independent research, this movie will be the closest most people will come to the truth of the matter.
Great movie, just too long. I think Lily Gladstone will win that Oscar nomination.
DeNiro was so good in this movie
Good movie but,I would love to see this story directed thru an Native American directors eyes. Is that even a thing? Are there native American directors in Hollywood?
I'm so glad they made this movie. My great grandfather died trying to solve this in his spare time
This movie is just amazing man
I liked the book’s approach more than the film’s, it doesn’t come out the gate and show that Hale was pulling the strings
Unfortunately HIStory has been fed to Americans for far too long. There is pain, hardship, and truth in the history of this country. But THEY don’t want it taught in fear of children feeling guilty. Well maybe that’s what it takes to end racism.
What an overacted carácter DiCaprio does! Horrible! I feel sorry for Scorsese, even if I recognise his lifetime work of course. DeNiro just doing amazing as always.
Lived 2+ years in Tulsa in the '70's.....never once did I hear the Osage story, nor about the Tulsa 'Black Wall st' murders
I can't believe both oppenheimer and killer of flowers moon both accurate
I had heard of it. The movie “The FBI Story’ 1959 with James Steward