I have 43 Million troops with 10M each T2 “walls.” In the past, I never lost many troops from rallies… but then again, I haven’t been rallied in 2 years, lol. So I initially set up my familiars with Hearty Feast (Army HP +15%), Drown Out (Enemy Army HP -15%), Suit Up (15% Infantry Atk at start), Deadly Tips (15% Ranged Atk at start), and Abominable Strike (15% Cav Atk at start). After watching your video, and considering how damage is greater these days, I swapped out the Abominable Strike with Savage Breath (480% Ranged Atk at 4% loss). Though I do have Blackwing, Bon Appeti, and Gargantua maxed out, unfortunately, it’s taking a while to max out their Army Talents. Blackwing is at Lv 9 (thus 480% damage vs 600%) and Bon Appeti is only at Lv 6 (264% damage). When I do max those out, I think I will place them on my wall along with the HP boost and debuff. My Kingdom is not crazy, and people barely scout me, much less try to rally me. But during KvK, anything could happen, especially if we run into a Kingdom like yours, lol.
Showing the damage stats between different setups ( using camps of course ) would help your case better. I still am not convinced on shield fams being promoted over hp debuff fams
I couldn’t agree more. Only thing is seating in a range wedge I like to put the -40% inf HP instead of the -15% army hp. Especially because if you take a rally that you want to have a chance to defend you’ll have way more troops than the guy attacking you. Im a rally trap though.
I rather use the -40% enemy hp cav than the pact 4 familiar if you only focus on stop counter, it last the whole combat and not depend on when your troops died to active
a case can be made, but when you are countered, that HP wont matter as much as completely stopping their dmg, people underestimate the power the shield provides especially on a counter
@@Aevatrex that decrease in hp can be increase your pact 5 damage + you able kill them faster which less damage isnt it? Also it said protect 7% of your frontline but they doesn't said the enemies only hit those got protected first or it will be spread among total amount of troops
40% isn't nearly as powerful and the difference maker you may think it is, it will help for sure but the shield accomplishes a few things, first the wording is a bit weird but essentially once it goes off their dmg stops completely for a good amount of time and when u throw in the the extra hp you'll get plus the other familiars it's basically like running into a wall, there's other setups that play it a bit safer and proc right away like u said but this setup I feel is the best way to completely stop a counter at a certain point without getting into crazy numbers where u lose 5m+ troops. But even still there's so many other factors... ur stats...the lead stats etc so everyone can benefit differently depending on all those factors
@☆FBI☆ seems you're the clueless one here lol, there's a reason they are tier 1 familiars, and while there are instances where they are helpful to say they are 100% always better is just stupid and wrong by all accounts.
It would be really cool if you were willing to take a couple hits with that setup vs maybe 1 or 2 others to see how it reacts and have it recorded for everyone
@@Aevatrex just ask woody to rally you twice on counter. Once with the usualy T1/T2 setup and once with the setup in the video. People will 100% like to see the results :D :P
Wouldn't tempestite be better than the shields fams? It takes only 10%, covers all troop types and protects all troops not only a small percentage of a certain troop type since it stuns the already engaged enemy squad for 8sec.s
that is incorrect. tempestite proks at 10% of ALL troops. so if you have 30m, you have to lose 3m of your front. shield fam proks at 12% of that particular troop type. so if you have 10m each troop type and 30m total, you'd only need to lose 1.2m of the front.
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literally as soon as you showed the clip 1st time i opened the game to change my wall lol. i'm not going to titan kingdoms though i'm 7 piece mythic champ, but in case I am leaderless after getting capped and someone grows balls to come after me your way is safer. if I have my leader i don't think it matters at all, you ain't doing much to me unless it's a full counter and you need a big party for that
That's understandable. Please do the same video suggesing best wall fam for people with 30-40M troops but no P5 fams. Would it be the same old setup? The attack fams + aquiris + evil Wevil?
T5 fams damage is based on troop count/stats. So on video you showed can you show how many troops defender had? Cause unless we have a 50M troop comps like you they don’t do much damage based on my experience.
I think you're confused, their dmg isn't based on how many troops only when they proc, their dmg is based on ur stats, not ur troop number. So having more troops doesn't mean they will do less damage. Just proc later. But again even at 50m they will proc at 2m loss which isn't crazy if u get countered
@@soccerboy269 you're talking about attacking, and I'm talking about defending, 2 totally different scenarios, and that was a rally on me, so regardless when u can take out 700k out of a 2.375 march in an instant I dont think im changing those out anytime soon
@@Aevatrex if you launch a T2 rally with lead and a T4 rally with lead your same fam will do more damage with the T4 rally because every troop has an atk stat. So a Bon with 20M inft2 will do more damage than same Bon with 3M inf T2 100% positive of this. So they aren’t must have fams on wall IMO unless your comp reflects your fams. I get your point of view those are great fams if you have a giant comp. I agree with your set up for worst case scenario and your big comp but not for smaller comps.
What about t3 fams? I'm not f2p but not the one who spent hella. So i use gryphon+evil trickstar and goblin. I generally counter rally, incase and it will stack up. Also tempestite could be used either. Gryphon+ewil+aquaris+Temptestite. What do you think?
Gryphon definitely not 10% of your overall troops is a big loss and rally should be practically over by the time it props, stacking familiars are also not good on the wall imo
I guess my main question is is there a certain order that we need to put them in. Do they prop at a certain time or in a certain order or is it based on percentage or troops lost....??
@aevatrex if u take it in inf wedge pact5 damage is not going to be infantry unless inf is ur largest squad. And in that case that p4 fam is wasting a slot
i wish this familiars can be tested , cause from all my years of playing this game , i have come to realize that IGG mechanics are not legit ,and also based on the description of this T5 familiars , no one can really be sure until someone with time and knowledge put it to the test
@@Aevatrex i mean t5 is the best ofc , i made this comment before i watch the whole the video and because i saw alot of people with 30m+ army using stacking familiars and it won't activate unless they're getting countered 😅
@@Hunter-ej4fv if u hav 30m troops. u just need to lose 1.2m to active those fams. and 1.2m dmg is normal now a days even if u counter them if u dont have full mythic fear
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u can make a case but also think about it, if an inf rally is hitting ur range front line...why would a boost to ur range attack have a greater effect? its still a counter
@@AbhishekKumar-sb4zu in this case yes because even you boost your range atk it still a counter which your range did way less damage and still die fast rather than using hp make it act like a meat wall for cav to deal damage while range have more hp
These fams are for worst case scenarios ie counters.If you're taking less than 2m on counters (unlikely), you're already winning at this game in which case teach us senpai
I have 43 Million troops with 10M each T2 “walls.” In the past, I never lost many troops from rallies… but then again, I haven’t been rallied in 2 years, lol. So I initially set up my familiars with Hearty Feast (Army HP +15%), Drown Out (Enemy Army HP -15%), Suit Up (15% Infantry Atk at start), Deadly Tips (15% Ranged Atk at start), and Abominable Strike (15% Cav Atk at start). After watching your video, and considering how damage is greater these days, I swapped out the Abominable Strike with Savage Breath (480% Ranged Atk at 4% loss). Though I do have Blackwing, Bon Appeti, and Gargantua maxed out, unfortunately, it’s taking a while to max out their Army Talents. Blackwing is at Lv 9 (thus 480% damage vs 600%) and Bon Appeti is only at Lv 6 (264% damage). When I do max those out, I think I will place them on my wall along with the HP boost and debuff. My Kingdom is not crazy, and people barely scout me, much less try to rally me. But during KvK, anything could happen, especially if we run into a Kingdom like yours, lol.
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Showing the damage stats between different setups ( using camps of course ) would help your case better. I still am not convinced on shield fams being promoted over hp debuff fams
I couldn’t agree more. Only thing is seating in a range wedge I like to put the -40% inf HP instead of the -15% army hp.
Especially because if you take a rally that you want to have a chance to defend you’ll have way more troops than the guy attacking you.
Im a rally trap though.
Agreed...use hp debuff of counters
I rather use the -40% enemy hp cav than the pact 4 familiar if you only focus on stop counter, it last the whole combat and not depend on when your troops died to active
a case can be made, but when you are countered, that HP wont matter as much as completely stopping their dmg, people underestimate the power the shield provides especially on a counter
@@Aevatrex that decrease in hp can be increase your pact 5 damage + you able kill them faster which less damage isnt it? Also it said protect 7% of your frontline but they doesn't said the enemies only hit those got protected first or it will be spread among total amount of troops
40% isn't nearly as powerful and the difference maker you may think it is, it will help for sure but the shield accomplishes a few things, first the wording is a bit weird but essentially once it goes off their dmg stops completely for a good amount of time and when u throw in the the extra hp you'll get plus the other familiars it's basically like running into a wall, there's other setups that play it a bit safer and proc right away like u said but this setup I feel is the best way to completely stop a counter at a certain point without getting into crazy numbers where u lose 5m+ troops. But even still there's so many other factors... ur stats...the lead stats etc so everyone can benefit differently depending on all those factors
I agree with aveatrex on this I'm running rally traps from years with hp debuff fams but counter do 3-4m dmage every time i get countered
@☆FBI☆ seems you're the clueless one here lol, there's a reason they are tier 1 familiars, and while there are instances where they are helpful to say they are 100% always better is just stupid and wrong by all accounts.
It would be really cool if you were willing to take a couple hits with that setup vs maybe 1 or 2 others to see how it reacts and have it recorded for everyone
i would but no one rallies me
@@Aevatrex just ask woody to rally you twice on counter. Once with the usualy T1/T2 setup and once with the setup in the video. People will 100% like to see the results :D :P
@@Aevatrex well yeah but you do have a whole guild and alliance that might be willing to help for science😆
Question: Isn't Mole shaman better than harpy?
Mole: 5% inf troops fallen > 60 INF ATK + 60 % INF HP
Harpy: 10% inf troops fallen > 80% INF HP
I completely agree. 3 600% fams does so much damage
Awesome information!!!! Thank you!!! This has been the biggest question ever and you actually helped me understand so much more
Wouldn't tempestite be better than the shields fams? It takes only 10%, covers all troop types and protects all troops not only a small percentage of a certain troop type since it stuns the already engaged enemy squad for 8sec.s
Interesting point!
that is incorrect. tempestite proks at 10% of ALL troops. so if you have 30m, you have to lose 3m of your front. shield fam proks at 12% of that particular troop type. so if you have 10m each troop type and 30m total, you'd only need to lose 1.2m of the front.
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I've been debating doing exactly what you suggested with the fams, I'll see if I can get a test in the next DA.
If don't have p5's and range frontline with 4 slots, what should be the best fam setup?
Terraspike, magmalord, jaziek, fourth really depends but for me it would be aquiris, evilweevil, gnome, trickstar in that order
literally as soon as you showed the clip 1st time i opened the game to change my wall lol. i'm not going to titan kingdoms though i'm 7 piece mythic champ, but in case I am leaderless after getting capped and someone grows balls to come after me your way is safer. if I have my leader i don't think it matters at all, you ain't doing much to me unless it's a full counter and you need a big party for that
Rally lead?
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bro. i dont think this video is for u.
That's understandable. Please do the same video suggesing best wall fam for people with 30-40M troops but no P5 fams. Would it be the same old setup? The attack fams + aquiris + evil Wevil?
around that premise yea
How has the 15:14:10 T2 comp been working out? Does inf remain largest troop type after a few rallys?
T5 fams damage is based on troop count/stats. So on video you showed can you show how many troops defender had? Cause unless we have a 50M troop comps like you they don’t do much damage based on my experience.
I think you're confused, their dmg isn't based on how many troops only when they proc, their dmg is based on ur stats, not ur troop number. So having more troops doesn't mean they will do less damage. Just proc later. But again even at 50m they will proc at 2m loss which isn't crazy if u get countered
@@Aevatrex yes it is. Otherwise when titans solo solo traps they would do over 1M damage every time and they don’t.
@@soccerboy269 you're talking about attacking, and I'm talking about defending, 2 totally different scenarios, and that was a rally on me, so regardless when u can take out 700k out of a 2.375 march in an instant I dont think im changing those out anytime soon
also would like to point out that i was out of gear in that rally
@@Aevatrex if you launch a T2 rally with lead and a T4 rally with lead your same fam will do more damage with the T4 rally because every troop has an atk stat. So a Bon with 20M inft2 will do more damage than same Bon with 3M inf T2 100% positive of this. So they aren’t must have fams on wall IMO unless your comp reflects your fams. I get your point of view those are great fams if you have a giant comp. I agree with your set up for worst case scenario and your big comp but not for smaller comps.
What about t3 fams?
I'm not f2p but not the one who spent hella.
So i use gryphon+evil trickstar and goblin. I generally counter rally, incase and it will stack up.
Also tempestite could be used either.
Gryphon+ewil+aquaris+Temptestite. What do you think?
Gryphon definitely not 10% of your overall troops is a big loss and rally should be practically over by the time it props, stacking familiars are also not good on the wall imo
I guess my main question is is there a certain order that we need to put them in. Do they prop at a certain time or in a certain order or is it based on percentage or troops lost....??
depends on troops lost
Nice video! Thanks for the explanation!
Just wanted to ask, why damage is soo high nowadays even if countering?
t5 Familiar dmg and the counter boost stat that came out made a HUGE difference
@aevatrex if u take it in inf wedge pact5 damage is not going to be infantry unless inf is ur largest squad. And in that case that p4 fam is wasting a slot
Bro I literally covered this in the video...
@@Aevatrex oh sorry maybe missed it somewhere
Rewatched the video and got it... Thanks for the info it helps alot
Man how about familiars for f2p is the t3 familiars like trickstar, gremlin and goblin good? With the hp buffs?
Absolutely not
I don't have p5 familiars and probably won't for a very long time. Any other suggestions?
i wish this familiars can be tested , cause from all my years of playing this game , i have come to realize that IGG mechanics are not legit ,and also based on the description of this T5 familiars , no one can really be sure until someone with time and knowledge put it to the test
I think T1 is best when you have alot of troops
whats alot of troops though? T1s dont nearly help as much if you are countered
@@Aevatrex i mean t5 is the best ofc , i made this comment before i watch the whole the video and because i saw alot of people with 30m+ army using stacking familiars and it won't activate unless they're getting countered 😅
@@Hunter-ej4fv if u hav 30m troops. u just need to lose 1.2m to active those fams. and 1.2m dmg is normal now a days even if u counter them if u dont have full mythic fear
T1 will light your azz ablaze everytime, plz don't anyone pay this no mind
I can always learn from you Jon. Thank you for being the only titan that aims to educate. I feel the other UA-camrs of the lm community have all begun doing tutorials, and later as they grew, it's all about them and them streaming their kvk and baron 👎🏻
I agree with all except harpy. Gemming gremlin gives 100% attack permanent vs harpy 80% hp for 10s. On top we know attack is better then HP
u can make a case but also think about it, if an inf rally is hitting ur range front line...why would a boost to ur range attack have a greater effect? its still a counter
@@Aevatrex so basically you mean hp is better than atk?
@@AbhishekKumar-sb4zu in this case yes because even you boost your range atk it still a counter which your range did way less damage and still die fast rather than using hp make it act like a meat wall for cav to deal damage while range have more hp
Watch back a dn5 rally that has a 80% health increase for 10 seconds and you'll understand better
Until i have those familiars and mythic gears, I'm solo trapping.
what type f2p to use on the wall?
How the darkness can have 10 mil wall hp above
WHAT FAMILIARS TO BE PLACED TILL PACT 3 WHEN YOU HAVE 700K T4 EACH AND 2M EACH T2?
hp ones, like aqaris, eevil weevil, terraspike, magnalord and one more i forgot which reduces cav hp by 40℅. use any of them.
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With an average comp of 50m troops , you gotta loose 2m troops before t5 fams even activate.
if you get countered you gona lose >2m anyway, this setup is to decrease the counter damage mainly, since it does most of the damage.
These fams are for worst case scenarios ie counters.If you're taking less than 2m on counters (unlikely), you're already winning at this game in which case teach us senpai
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