Very cool idea. I've wanted to check out plan9 for a while, and have vague dreams about setting up my own IoT at home without the I . . . This might be just the thing
Me too. I am on my first steps on my plan9 voyage .. very interesting. B.t.w. Chat gpt recommend me to take a look at plan9 when i was asking what is the most strange thing to install on an empty machine standing here .
@fmu7679 I google Hurd, Plan9 and some other topics periodically, just to know what's going on. Also I want to get started, but I'm not sure what should I pick them for
"longer rant video about Linux" - always welcome :) I never cease to be amazed how people take that mad complexity of modern Linux distros inner workings for granted and praise it's simplicity...
@@adventuresin9 I guess this more related to M$ and other mega corps have seat board on Linux foundation, I agree with you Linux still useful for running server, it Desktop use case ruined long time ago.
@@adventuresin9 I started getting my impression of Linux and FOSS a decade after that. It took some time to realize that there were no longer those people nor those ideas that I read about on old forum threads and watched in "Revolution OS" movie...
@@مقاطعمترجمة-ش8ثtbf linux was never "great" for desktop in the first place... Nowadays we atleast have some standards and infrastructure to build upon, instead of everyone inventing their own set of wheels, that are perpetually broken by some dude half across the globe from you due to a minor change, granted they are waaaay overengineered in more than one place(like this whole dbus thing, basically most of the freedesktop protocols, wayland, systemd, etc. even though most of them have neat ideas in mind the actual standarts and way of doing things is just beyond awfull), but they are there, they are open and they free. Which is a lot more than i can say about anything that is or was a desktop. I would love a new revitalised modern GNU, i would like the rewamp of the kernel, i would like better init system, i would like the new rewamp of mesa, i would love a better wayland, but alas no one including me thinks that any of this actually worth the time and effort it would take to do. Well more like some brave souls do, but i am certainly not one of them at this moment.
Wow. This is cool. I need to learn to write some code. The problem is i feel more like a sysadmin than i am a programmer. I noticed that i have no patience for programming. But for some strange reason i am fascinated by the haskell programming language.
incredible video. not uncommon to see on youtube people trying to be different just for the sake of it but you clearly outlined your usecases without any fluff. might try 9front on a vm later on :) also was dumbfounded on how small your code is, it really shows how bloated modern stacks are.
I bought a small risc-v board, a "Mango Pi" which is single core and the size of a Raspberry Pi zero. It is on the list of things to port 9Front to, and some work has already been done on compilers and libraries. The risc-v ecosystem is a rapidly evolving space right now, so some Plan 9 developers are taking a wait and see approach, to see what becomes standardized.
Please tell, can you run 8Front on RV32IMAFC machine without MMU with 512K SRAM ? I'm playing with my own soft-core (soft-SoC), it has FastEthernet and some other low speed periphs. Now looking for an OS for this hardware.
I might put it up again, or redo it. But between the holiday distractions, and working on other videos, I don't want to be managing flame war material at the moment.
Hey man, just wanted to comment about the vid you removed. I think you should absolutely flesh out your argument and repost it. I really enjoyed spectating the back and forth on why/why not Linux is fit for use in current year. I know there were flame wars but the intellectual argument being made from both sides was enthralling to watch, and I was introduced to some OSes I'd never even heard of (reimplementing OS/2 on L4 is awesome even tho I have no use for it). I prefer Arch (btw) on my systems but I totally understand the other side of the argument and don't really believe there's one "right" answer, at the end of the day no OS will be one size fits all, and you do you. I just hope you didn't feel shamed into pulling it down, it's a convo worth having imo.
Hell, add another 20-30 minutes comparing and contrasting concrete examples of shit you can do with 9Front that you couldn't with Linux. I feel like there was definitely some substance missing from your argument but it sounds like with a little work you can come up with something both intellectually honest and educational for those coming in who use Linux but not 9Front.
I might go back down that direction at some point. But I enjoy building up more than tearing down. While that video did have mostly positive reviews, I don't want the distraction of dealing with flame wars and corrections while I'm already in the middle of putting together 3 other videos that I think are much higher quality and more informative.
To go along with the "boomer" aspect, there is a bit of "pulling up the ladder behind you" going on. What started as a light weight and flexible system for experimenting later became an overly complex and aimed and promoting vendor lock-in and forced obsolescence.
@adventuresin9 I'm not even that experienced and I have already discovered why there is an appeal in something like FreeBSD where every "system level" (I know that's a noob term) dependency is lock-stepped from the get-go. Though, I haven't tried a BSD or Plan9 yet. I have realized I should invest some time in learning more about these in case they could promise better dependency management. A lot of Linux fans couldn't even comprehend horrors like a franken-ubuntu (v18 kernel, v20 filesystem, v16 bootloader) , and they would defecate themselves at the thought of their livelihood depending on delivering bugfixes to such an abomination. Linux can be just as wretched as Windows if abused. The reality is there are good and bad systems and you can make an abomination or Elysian field in any platform.
Good to know that someone had particle use case of Plan 9, I thought it still experiences project, but I really like it minimalistic principle as someone who don't like bloatware, I'm still using ArchLinux on my laptop, but I'm thinking using other OS's on high-end laptops I had, as a guy his first computer only had 128MB of RAM I'm frustrated that some Gnu/Linux DE consumes by itself 1.5GB of RAM that's insane, Linux for desktop weren't meant to bloated this way, it's ruining user experience for no real visual improvement.
Don't yet mastered Unix and it seems is already obsolete. I also feel we will have something radically different from all previous OS's if A.I. keeps evolving...
![The Dark Matter of AI [Mechanistic Interpretability]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UGO_Ehywuxc/mqdefault.jpg)
I honestly have no idea what you're doing but I love it
I often wonder what I'm doing myself.
8:23 Bob Metcalfe once famously described Windows as “a buggy set of device drivers”: Linux is a free set of buggy device drivers.
Very cool idea. I've wanted to check out plan9 for a while, and have vague dreams about setting up my own IoT at home without the I . . . This might be just the thing
Cool, found your channel by casually looking for Plan9.
Me too. I am on my first steps on my plan9 voyage .. very interesting. B.t.w. Chat gpt recommend me to take a look at plan9 when i was asking what is the most strange thing to install on an empty machine standing here .
One does not casually look for Plan9. 😂
@fmu7679 I google Hurd, Plan9 and some other topics periodically, just to know what's going on. Also I want to get started, but I'm not sure what should I pick them for
god, seeing this just slapped 2009 right across my face, I had a similar homelab at that era, and was screwing around with plan9
I always thought it was cool how Plan9 could "borrow" devices from other physical hardware over a network.
Will be using your videos while taking an embedded course using plan9
"longer rant video about Linux" - always welcome :) I never cease to be amazed how people take that mad complexity of modern Linux distros inner workings for granted and praise it's simplicity...
not sure if it will fit the theme of this channel though
I first used used Linux back in the late 1990's. The system and the people working on it has changed a lot since then.
@@adventuresin9 I guess this more related to M$ and other mega corps have seat board on Linux foundation, I agree with you Linux still useful for running server, it Desktop use case ruined long time ago.
@@adventuresin9 I started getting my impression of Linux and FOSS a decade after that. It took some time to realize that there were no longer those people nor those ideas that I read about on old forum threads and watched in "Revolution OS" movie...
@@مقاطعمترجمة-ش8ثtbf linux was never "great" for desktop in the first place... Nowadays we atleast have some standards and infrastructure to build upon, instead of everyone inventing their own set of wheels, that are perpetually broken by some dude half across the globe from you due to a minor change, granted they are waaaay overengineered in more than one place(like this whole dbus thing, basically most of the freedesktop protocols, wayland, systemd, etc. even though most of them have neat ideas in mind the actual standarts and way of doing things is just beyond awfull), but they are there, they are open and they free. Which is a lot more than i can say about anything that is or was a desktop. I would love a new revitalised modern GNU, i would like the rewamp of the kernel, i would like better init system, i would like the new rewamp of mesa, i would love a better wayland, but alas no one including me thinks that any of this actually worth the time and effort it would take to do. Well more like some brave souls do, but i am certainly not one of them at this moment.
Wow. This is cool. I need to learn to write some code. The problem is i feel more like a sysadmin than i am a programmer. I noticed that i have no patience for programming. But for some strange reason i am fascinated by the haskell programming language.
That "#2 Dad" coffee mug made me giggle
Straightforward - thanks sir!
incredible video. not uncommon to see on youtube people trying to be different just for the sake of it but you clearly outlined your usecases without any fluff. might try 9front on a vm later on :)
also was dumbfounded on how small your code is, it really shows how bloated modern stacks are.
I appreciate all your videos. Thank you. BTW do you run any risc-v?
I bought a small risc-v board, a "Mango Pi" which is single core and the size of a Raspberry Pi zero. It is on the list of things to port 9Front to, and some work has already been done on compilers and libraries. The risc-v ecosystem is a rapidly evolving space right now, so some Plan 9 developers are taking a wait and see approach, to see what becomes standardized.
Here is a video about some of the progress and troubles so far ua-cam.com/video/EOg6UzSss2A/v-deo.html
Please tell, can you run 8Front on RV32IMAFC machine without MMU with 512K SRAM ? I'm playing with my own soft-core (soft-SoC), it has FastEthernet and some other low speed periphs. Now looking for an OS for this hardware.
Where is a video named "Why I don't use Linux for my projects anymore"?
I wanted to watch it!
I might put it up again, or redo it. But between the holiday distractions, and working on other videos, I don't want to be managing flame war material at the moment.
Dude, you're a wizard.
if you mean wizard as in someone who researches arcane mystical things and applies them to modern problems, then yes
wizard school is now in session
Hey man, just wanted to comment about the vid you removed. I think you should absolutely flesh out your argument and repost it. I really enjoyed spectating the back and forth on why/why not Linux is fit for use in current year.
I know there were flame wars but the intellectual argument being made from both sides was enthralling to watch, and I was introduced to some OSes I'd never even heard of (reimplementing OS/2 on L4 is awesome even tho I have no use for it).
I prefer Arch (btw) on my systems but I totally understand the other side of the argument and don't really believe there's one "right" answer, at the end of the day no OS will be one size fits all, and you do you. I just hope you didn't feel shamed into pulling it down, it's a convo worth having imo.
Hell, add another 20-30 minutes comparing and contrasting concrete examples of shit you can do with 9Front that you couldn't with Linux. I feel like there was definitely some substance missing from your argument but it sounds like with a little work you can come up with something both intellectually honest and educational for those coming in who use Linux but not 9Front.
I might go back down that direction at some point. But I enjoy building up more than tearing down. While that video did have mostly positive reviews, I don't want the distraction of dealing with flame wars and corrections while I'm already in the middle of putting together 3 other videos that I think are much higher quality and more informative.
Its getting so tough out there for loonix nerds to be quirky and special that they're now starting to use obsolete boomerware
To go along with the "boomer" aspect, there is a bit of "pulling up the ladder behind you" going on. What started as a light weight and flexible system for experimenting later became an overly complex and aimed and promoting vendor lock-in and forced obsolescence.
@adventuresin9 I'm not even that experienced and I have already discovered why there is an appeal in something like FreeBSD where every "system level" (I know that's a noob term) dependency is lock-stepped from the get-go. Though, I haven't tried a BSD or Plan9 yet. I have realized I should invest some time in learning more about these in case they could promise better dependency management.
A lot of Linux fans couldn't even comprehend horrors like a franken-ubuntu (v18 kernel, v20 filesystem, v16 bootloader) , and they would defecate themselves at the thought of their livelihood depending on delivering bugfixes to such an abomination.
Linux can be just as wretched as Windows if abused. The reality is there are good and bad systems and you can make an abomination or Elysian field in any platform.
When I hear ‘Plan 9’, my mental response is ‘From outer space’. Sorry.
I'm in the same boat. It's a fun B-film.
@ B film ? You are a generous person. Well, it is the Christmas season.
That's what the name is meant to reference
Gopher was the pinnacle :)
I honestly think the web was a mistake. Hyperlinked text is handy, but at what cost?
Good to know that someone had particle use case of Plan 9, I thought it still experiences project, but I really like it minimalistic principle as someone who don't like bloatware, I'm still using ArchLinux on my laptop, but I'm thinking using other OS's on high-end laptops I had, as a guy his first computer only had 128MB of RAM I'm frustrated that some Gnu/Linux DE consumes by itself 1.5GB of RAM that's insane, Linux for desktop weren't meant to bloated this way, it's ruining user experience for no real visual improvement.
I used Linux on similar systems in the past, and they ran fine. Now, I open a basic text editor, like xed, and it takes 20MB just to start.
Don't yet mastered Unix and it seems is already obsolete. I also feel we will have something radically different from all previous OS's if A.I. keeps evolving...