MacDaniels NUT GROVE & FOREST FARM Tour - Ep. 091
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Earlier this year-when the snow was still deep-we visited the MacDaniels Nut Grove at Cornell University. We're planning for a 1-acre nut grove on our land, which we started to plant up, so figured MacDaniels Nut Grove would give us some insight and inspiration-considering it's a more mature forest.
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I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of paw-paws, a temperate, “tropical” fruit. I hadn’t tried them and was intending on planting a tree when I got to my new house. That’s when on a September afternoon, I was walking by the river near my house, only to greeted by a misplaced sweet smell of mangoes. Turns out there are several groves of them where I can just walk to and forage. I see no need of planting them now. I think they do best right next to a river bank beneath a canopy, (from What I observe.) so that might help you choose a spot for yours.
I recall you mentioned the groves of them last I was down your way. Would have loved to see them in fruit! Thanks for your observations as well. It would be nice to try them in various areas around the land and see which does the best! Have you noticed variation in flavor from different trees and is it detectable and vary widely?
@@FlockFingerLakes yes, that’s right. I haven’t noticed any major difference from the fruit I’ve tried. It seems stage of ripeness is more a factor than the trees. They don’t fruit heavily, in the wild around here at least, but the sheer amount of trees make for an abundant supply. The best stage of ripeness is just a bit before peak. If it is overripe I feel it’s gets more of the banana like flavor I don’t appreciate as much. It does have a slight off taste you get if you eat too many of them, but they sure are the most sensorial experience one can have in the deciduous forest of the eastern seaboard, that is for sure. It feels like a misplaced experience. But I would guess that most trees have real edible fruit, all from seed dispersal.
@@suburbanhomestead they love to establish in shade as their young leaves don’t handle strong sun well for the first year or two. That said once established you’ll get far more and better fruit with as much sun as possible. Perhaps you could clear a few branches above them in the summer/fall sun’s path and you’ll get far more pulp to seed in the fruits.
Ours went from little peanut looking fruits to avocado size just with a bit of canopy pruning. Pawpaws are insanely cool. Their cousin the Guanabana may be the most delicious fruit on earth and it fights cancer. Genius plants.
Interesting research on pawpaw leaf extracts and cancer as well.
Nuts, mushrooms, education... Such a wonderful place 🥰
Such a treat to start the day along with my cup of coffee.
Although most probably I will not in this life visit the sight, I appreciate and welcome all this fantastic information. When I lived in NY State I visited the Catskills several times. Have always loved mature and now it’s a pleasure to listen to all these priceless information. In next life!
Thank you dearly.
The quality of your topics Summer is outstanding and super interesting. I’m so glad that the Cornell professors are willing to share what they know on walkabouts. I very much appreciate them giving their time to further our knowledge. Awesome video.
I'm not an expert on agriculture so plant grafting sounds like magic to me, and I had no idea nut trees could be grafted as well! Such a fascinating video
I find your channel to be endlessly fascinating! I live in the pacific northwest and while the content you share doesn't always apply to my specific situation, I find every single video has information to glean and learn from. Once again you all have knocked it out of the park!
Glad that is so! Nice to have it relevant to a wider audience that finds it helpful.
@@FlockFingerLakes Same for me. Living in the conifer forests and steppes of western MT, most of the specific plants are foreign to me. But the videos are always fascinating and inspire ideas.
@@FlockFingerLakes getting a look at the knowledge from the Finger Lakes community is helpful in the Midwest as well!
We propagate European elder from simple branch cuttings too, but have also found the easiest way to produce a dense stand of it is to just lie a good sized log on the ground. It produces a thicket very quickly.
Very helpful tips! Thanks for sharing with the community.
I buy from Sheffields all the time, I love that company so respect for their use with them
I first read about the MacDaniels nut grove in Farming the woods, and have always wanted to learn and see more of it!
Glad we were able to show it IRL (or at least virtually).
These guys are SO smart. I cannot keep up.
Ken was my MSc advisor and favorite professor at Cornell! I took his agroforestry class in this magical nut grove :)
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Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing
Our pleasure.
I looooove all of your videos flock team, as an agri-environmental scientist they are all amazing to me. Best wishes with your ongoing projects
Sorry! One more comment. I very successfully propagated pawpaws a couple of years ago, following the suggestions you heard. The hardest part was finding deep starter pots locally. Garden centers had no idea what I wanted. They were easy to get online and I had no trouble transplanting because the tap roots had plenty of room. I forgot to mention earlier that I’ve heard butternut called “Northern Pecan”.
Bonjournice to meet you. how cool ! catch you later-mate. 🖐
What an interesting video....never thought about nut trees! Really enjoyed this.......
This is awesome! I want more of these!!!!
I learn so much 🍄
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At 9:45, Dr. Morreale, states that bitternut is not for production, and again, there are folks are very excited about bitternut hickory oil (which is patently amazing)! Check out the great work of Yellowbud Nursery, Sam Thayer, Akiva Silver, Yellowbud Nursery
At 7:58 Dr. Mudge says that there is "virtually no temperate nut production in NY state" and cites as the only example a black walnut farm that does not operate anymore. As the Agroforestry and Nut cropping Program Planner at Cornell Cooperative Extension in Tompkins County, NY (where this site is located), I have traveled around the state visiting producers who are growing and selling nuts, there is a lot more folks going nuts in NY - it's a a pretty exciting time. I'd be more than happy to speak with you more if you have any questions.
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As always a great video ❤️🌞
Quick follow up: I would love to see you do a video on coppicing. I don’t think many Americans know what it is. Thanks.
that was fun! mahalo
I recognize it is not necessarily applicable to your region in the finger lakes but I might suggest you still wander out to Arbor Day farm and Arbor Day lodge in Nebraska City in Southeast NE. It is very interesting, very education and informative and I think you would enjoy it. (While close to Omaha could bist Henry Doorly Zoo … world class zoo in the middle of no where). No I am not from our even that big a fan of NE (too flat, hot, cold, windy) but I visit family there every few years, the people are very nice, and always do the zoo, NE city and a botanical garden there near old downtown old market / Little Italy. Really enjoy your channel. Thank you from someone who did some growing up in Lockport & Middleport on the canal.
Thanks for the recommendations! And also for taking time to watch the channel :)
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Nice video. My mom taught me a lot about our local trees on Long Island . I believe butternut grows near my mother-in-law’s northeast of Watertown, in Gouverneur. What do you think?
The Paw Paws...
I'm curious-
Do they not take over via suckers way up there where you are?
I'm thinking they must...
Right?
Or maybe not... ?
How could you stop that from becoming a thick Paw Paw grove situation?
Summer, you've probably researched them a lot, so I'm just wondering how you're planning on not letting the land turn into a Paw Paw monoculture?
I've read from people who live next to large plots of land (in the South) which has been left to itself, resulting in a thick Paw Paw grove. A perfect example of a natural monoculture.
They've found out when the Paw Paw is allowed to sucker, which they do PROLIFICALLY, they don't really set much fruit, if any at all.
All their energy goes into reproducing suckers instead of making seed.
When they root prune in those situations, that's the only way to get the fruit.
As far as personality,
the Paw Paw reminds me of the quintessential Southern person!
It's the hot weather way of life.
Some may look upon it as lazy.
But really, because it's so hot down here in Summer months, it's just choosing the easiest way! In such hot weather that would instantly give a Northerner the vapors, a conservation of energy is much appreciated in those long, dog days, of 103°+ !!
Such is the Paw Paw in reproduction - sucker instead of seed.
Not lazy, simply efficient!
A true Southerner in that respect!
Maybe up North the Paw Paw acts differently?
(I know I would!!)
Perhaps the snow season inhibits suckering?
Being a Southern girl,
I wouldn't know.
Nature is so interesting in her ways, anything is possible!
I'm looking forward to finding all these things out!!!
Speaking of long hot days of Summer...
It's getting hard for me to imagine y'all still tromping around in the snow up there while we are currently hitting temps of 98°!!
It seems we're on 2 different planets instead of sharing the same long stretch of soil !
Albeit, this very hot weather has come early to us once again this year...
Our Daffodils have already tucked themselves up for the year, dried up leaves and everything.
Our Spring Show is over.
Which, for me, is going to make your bulb masterpiece all that much enjoyable!!!
My imagination is running amuck with anticipation!!
Even if only HALF make it up this year, it's going to be -
just WOW!!!
Every time I see you've posted, I wonder -
IS THIS IT !???
Is THIS the bulb video!!???
What a cliff hanger you've created!! Hahaha!!
I'm thoroughly enjoying it too!
Thank You once again for an interesting video! ❤️
The pawpaws sucker up this way as well, though I cannot compare/comment to how they do down south. What you do is cut the root sprouts if you want them to not sucker/produce more fruit. Many people use the root sprouts as nursery stock here too. Abundance. As for the bulbs, that will be coming out. We've been documenting over the last few months!
Summer what could we plant as understory shrubs in a mostly pine spruce forest provided there’s enough sunlight? Trying to fill in with some larger species of plants…
Perhaps Hamamelis, Serviceberry as small trees and perhaps Viburnums and Vaccinium. The Blueberries will like the acidity of soil from the pine needles but may not fruit without some sun. You can always drop a couple dying / dead trees to let in some light....Ribes can grow too but depending on the pine, it can be a host for a pine blight.
@@FlockFingerLakes two of those we were considering! Thank you so much! Love the videos with Cornell staff:) although I never got to go to college there, and now I’m quite a bit older and working as a Arborist in plant healthcare I do take a lot of the extension courses…. And I have the hat and T-shirt from the school:) love bugs and trees! Happy day to the Flock!
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does the pot in pot system work with clay or biodegradable pots? like could this just be a better way to plant out trees and shrubs early on to help them establish over the first handful of winters? and then if the pots are natural its not bad to have them in the ground forever.
i actually had a kale plant make it all the way through winter this year. the pot was mostly but not fully buried in soil. its a plastic pot. seemed to make all the difference. kale usually dies out some point in December here if it has no protection even a lot of the hardier varieties and has to make it to may to get out of frost but this simple step got it through those months just fine. i guess this is similar to a plant growing into dirt surrounded by rocks and things like. pretty cool to me . going to try to do this with a fig this year
When is “The Log Jam” taking place?
Good question!
If it’s native, it’ll be compatible w black walnut.
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No one said, "He was nutty about nuts."