And Mauga. Mauga is just so boring... I'm a Hog frequenter, and I'll admit he should never be meta because he's low skill. But Orisa and Mauga are even lower skill AND they're boring to play. Especially Mauga. They have no business being anywhere close to meta, yet here we are.
@@mattevans4377 i was more ok with tracer gengi, cause the comp sorta forces a team to play pure dive, which is so fun to both play and watch. Tracer echo was iffy, but tracer sojurn i just despise. The comp gets to do whatever you want it to be. Wanna be more brawly? Go orisa + moira. You wanna be a bit more dive? Run lucio kiri, and a tank with some mobility (since soj’s slide and range lets her basically be a dive hero if you wanted). You wanna bunker up/ poke? Tracer weirdly has the range to do it/ can break bunkers, so run an orisa + bap + kiri. The dps core is so flexible, it just lets you slot it into wherever you want it to be slotted into.
@@mattevans4377 very true. I agree there. I also wanna see soj nerfed into the ground. She has never been bad in ow2, just maybe not hard meta at times (but has been hard meta a few times and no one had fun)
When Flats mentioned the team Avoided at the beginning, they turned into Aww Yeah. It still has many of the same people on the team. Chazm, the ball player, was a ball one trick on Avoided who literally went by the name "Ball" for a while.
Literally this team comp was *"Look over here."* Hog and Bastion were the distraction, because if you took your eyes off them you got mowed down. That let Moira and Tracer constantly take either flank. Lucio stuck with the distractions to get them around them map faster.
they also just played brute dps output overal. tracer was the weakest on that front relatively speaking. the moment vice messed up like when the kiri fed the overwhelming force just pushed them back immediately. so like it seems they really forced them to keep an eye on hog and bastion while keeping the flanks in mind in hopes this would cause enough mayhem to cause them to make mistakes. the fact that this was a very unconventional approach and comp just helped them further. straight up amazing
@@mattevans4377 You forgot the part where they broke the entire game because they created the easiest, most spammable, non skilled cringey melee character that even your mon could use. that wasnt tracers fault, that was a devs issue, but whatever bro lmao
@@michaelj49 It was. They refused to nerf Tracer, so added a hero that countered her instead. Problem was, to counter Tracer, also meant countering the rest of the characters too
I’m pretty sure vice was the team, in which their coach publicly flamed them on Twitter because they “had to counterswap to win” please correct me if I’m mistaken, I think sloth was the one player that tweeted discord dms between theirs and a different coach
@@joshuataylor5080 I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was them. bogur has a video covering what happened with the coach, it didn’t seem like the guy was joking around either
I tell people that and my team gets mad at me because I'm not protecting them as doom in getting kills and taking space I'm able to sometimes save my team but that's if you position your self so I can easily help you
@@ballisticbullet428 Yeah I’m guessing you’re in low rank (below master) and what ppl don’t understand is that even though you could swap they could also adapt to you and output a team play to make your pick work. Ppl are just dumb overall. When it gets to something more complex than shooting what you see you loose 80% of them already 😂
@@ballisticbullet428 so you're relying on your team to fully adapt to you. going after the team is one of the ways to counter doom. a good doom player recognizes this and doesn't try to push the standard playstyle when it isn't working. one tricking doesn't mean you get to ignore countering. you just have to learn to counter with doom instead of counter swapping
@@PrimeKeroHS thats just not true of course there are always counters to what youre playing but those character pratically counter half the roster just by existing anyone like mei or sombra who take away your ability to fight back will always feel bad in an ability shooter
Honestly, while I am not too fond of one-tricks, I am glad to see some variation in OWCS... The matches feel quite dull when its always Orisa, Tracer, Soljourn, Kiri, Lucio....
I don't hate one tricks. I hate one tricks that don't adjust their playstyle. you can see hog here playing differently against the different comps. one tricking a hero is viable, one tricking a single strategy is not.
i absolutely love teams like this. i get bored watching the same team comp over and over. this makes it really exciting. i think they should implement a competitive tournament with 5v5 random heroes retaining the 1-2-2 format. it would make games really interesting seeing how high skill players adapt to what they are given. it would be more entertaining allow devs recognize balancing requirements.
It pains me to watch this honestly, I wanted Nightmare to win but there's just nothing you can do against the other team locking both meta dps and toggling between 2 meta tanks
At 14:30 KYIDK does a weird lock on Ana, very weird at 0.25x much like aimbot to be honest. A hard perfect lock-on for like 3 frames, just when left click is pressed. That is REALLY suspicious.
I heard you mention this on the Group Up Podcast. Thank goodness I watch enough of all your channels to get this recommendation; I wouldn’t have found this game on my own.
They really took the peak bronze team comp and made it work at a pro level lmao. No one knew wtf to do against them because it was so random and unexpected. Reminds me of when PRX first came on the Val scene
My favorite character is the reaper guy. he is very powerfull. special move, honestly is one of the best in the game and so he comes equipped with these two revolvers and only takes about 3 or 4 shots to actually execute a kill so it comes really in handy specially when you come from the side.
@@GeoffronXit’s shotguns, his ult is nowhere near the best in the game. everything counters it. dva defense matrix, sigma rock, ana sleep, sigma can also absorb it, widow can easily headshot snipe you because you can’t really move when popping it. reaper q is really only viable in low ranks because low ranked players aren’t smart enough to look for it. anything past plat and you’re getting sat down the moment you even THINK about pressing Q.
I get that this is high level play and ana is bad because of her mobility, but i think it would still be a good pick against mauga or roadhog for either teams
So the way to actually use the hog heals is to not use the heals and you the damage mit aka use your heals to minimize damage taken like a shield. You sip your heals it cuts you damage taken between your slow gun
Honestly as someone who plays roadhog (ever since ow2, I haven't just had the drive to enjoy the german man anymore...) somewhat decently, I don't like flashpoint. Other than my personal feelings of "walking simulator" and "it feels like it lasts for forever", I honestly think some points are too open and make it hard for me to make the most of hog's kit because I get poked out before I'm even close enough to get something done. The woes of a lucio player on roadhog.
I find it a little insane flats is saying “good adjustments” but also says “counter swapping a monkey could do” and I agree with the latter. There is zero skill in swapping lmfao, so lame.
I mean when you’re among the best players in the world and on a team of other top players while everyone is communicating at the highest level, it’s a lot easier to make anything 18:12 work than it would be in slightly above average ranked games where it’s basically a free for all lmao
@@westidegunnadlibs yeah you do got a point. I still see a lot of plays where it gets me thinking like “wait, this is one of the top players in the world?” lol not like I’m close to as good as them though.
ppl : bASTION IS OP HUUUUUUUUUH reality : best bastion only make 5kill in this entire video and 0 with is ult also reality : tracer sojourn everywhere ppls : plz nerf bastion
when flats roots for the hog player. not because he likes hog, but because he dislikes orisa that much.
Like everyone else, its orisa...
he also looks like hog
And Mauga. Mauga is just so boring... I'm a Hog frequenter, and I'll admit he should never be meta because he's low skill. But Orisa and Mauga are even lower skill AND they're boring to play. Especially Mauga. They have no business being anywhere close to meta, yet here we are.
@@rishabh5750 that's wild
@@BlueDrew10mauga to counter the orisa if ima be honest, what i run
The age old question: “Where was Bastionmain even hiding?”
Look behind and 45° downward is where you find him.
He's in the walls
@@SuperLifestream
HES IN THE GODDAMN WALLS!!!!!!
Vice were trying to play chess on nepal but dirt's eating the pieces
Accurate analogy ✅
Lmfaooo
"I don't fear the man that has practiced 1000 kicks once, but i do fear the man that has practiced one kick 1000 times."
Wanted bastionmain to win so badly. I am so bored of tracer sojurn just getting to do everything
And before that Tracer Echo, and before that Tracer Genji. I'm sensing a pattern.....
@@mattevans4377 i was more ok with tracer gengi, cause the comp sorta forces a team to play pure dive, which is so fun to both play and watch. Tracer echo was iffy, but tracer sojurn i just despise. The comp gets to do whatever you want it to be. Wanna be more brawly? Go orisa + moira. You wanna be a bit more dive? Run lucio kiri, and a tank with some mobility (since soj’s slide and range lets her basically be a dive hero if you wanted). You wanna bunker up/ poke? Tracer weirdly has the range to do it/ can break bunkers, so run an orisa + bap + kiri. The dps core is so flexible, it just lets you slot it into wherever you want it to be slotted into.
@@Momo_pstat4 We shouldn't still be seeing Tracer though, after all these changes.
@@mattevans4377 very true. I agree there. I also wanna see soj nerfed into the ground. She has never been bad in ow2, just maybe not hard meta at times (but has been hard meta a few times and no one had fun)
Sojurn is just boring to watch being played tbh
The team “aww yeah” lock in ball and junk rat made me happy 😂
When Flats mentioned the team Avoided at the beginning, they turned into Aww Yeah. It still has many of the same people on the team. Chazm, the ball player, was a ball one trick on Avoided who literally went by the name "Ball" for a while.
My guy was talking about avoided like Kayzer and Chazm aren't killing it on aww yeah right now
Literally this team comp was *"Look over here."* Hog and Bastion were the distraction, because if you took your eyes off them you got mowed down. That let Moira and Tracer constantly take either flank. Lucio stuck with the distractions to get them around them map faster.
they also just played brute dps output overal. tracer was the weakest on that front relatively speaking. the moment vice messed up like when the kiri fed the overwhelming force just pushed them back immediately.
so like it seems they really forced them to keep an eye on hog and bastion while keeping the flanks in mind in hopes this would cause enough mayhem to cause them to make mistakes. the fact that this was a very unconventional approach and comp just helped them further.
straight up amazing
My goats the 5'2 bmain and dirt
This is a certified "I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with your game." moment.
Love to see it.
This kinda made me realise: Imagine Cyx playing serious for once and joining a team. Dude would be an absolute menace.
Bro i really wanna see how cracked cyx is when he locks in the entire time.
Him and blackswordz are the two best Hog one tricks. Maybe there's one in Asia I don't know of but those guys are always towards the top of the ladder
The announcers sounded like they were enjoying a different matchup as well
This is the Pro Overwatch we all want to see. Damn that was fun.
I think one tricking in overwatch is gigabased, out skilling the counter is 10x more satisfying than switching off.
The age old argument: sojourn is strong
Blizzard: nerf genji
Playerbase: Don't look at Tracer
@@mattevans4377 unlike sojourn, tracer takes skill. any dumbass with enough aim can spam and hit some shots with that railgun the size of mount fiji
@@michaelj49 Yeah, Tracer was so skilled, they had to invent Brig to deal with her. And that was during 6v6.
@@mattevans4377 You forgot the part where they broke the entire game because they created the easiest, most spammable, non skilled cringey melee character that even your mon could use. that wasnt tracers fault, that was a devs issue, but whatever bro lmao
@@michaelj49 It was. They refused to nerf Tracer, so added a hero that countered her instead. Problem was, to counter Tracer, also meant countering the rest of the characters too
this moira is actually putting in INSANE work my god
I’m pretty sure vice was the team, in which their coach publicly flamed them on Twitter because they “had to counterswap to win” please correct me if I’m mistaken, I think sloth was the one player that tweeted discord dms between theirs and a different coach
Yep, sure is.
@@joshuataylor5080 I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was them. bogur has a video covering what happened with the coach, it didn’t seem like the guy was joking around either
@@joshuataylor5080 no, vices coach flammed his own team
Incredibly based, if you’re a pro team and your tank swaps to Mauga they deserve to get publicly shamed.
Sigma coach@@michaeljcaboose1152
Dirt just bullying orisa and bastionmain constantly just somewhere random
Actually the most entertaining OWCS I've seen yet.
The casters said at the very beginning “they locked bastion and roadhog” flats is king of never paying attention
You've heard of Moiras in the enemy backlines looking for kills, now get ready for a Moira in the enemy backline GETTING kills
climbing as a one trick is the ultimate display of skill in overwatch*2*
I tell people that and my team gets mad at me because I'm not protecting them as doom in getting kills and taking space I'm able to sometimes save my team but that's if you position your self so I can easily help you
@@ballisticbullet428 Yeah I’m guessing you’re in low rank (below master) and what ppl don’t understand is that even though you could swap they could also adapt to you and output a team play to make your pick work. Ppl are just dumb overall. When it gets to something more complex than shooting what you see you loose 80% of them already 😂
@@ballisticbullet428 so you're relying on your team to fully adapt to you. going after the team is one of the ways to counter doom. a good doom player recognizes this and doesn't try to push the standard playstyle when it isn't working. one tricking doesn't mean you get to ignore countering. you just have to learn to counter with doom instead of counter swapping
@@etherphenix1150 high rank players don't blame the team though
@@group555_ your point being ?
why did i miss this one? its beautiful. wish OW esports would always look like this. "You play meta? Okay, we just play what we like."
I miss when I could just do what I want playing Overwatch, its so much less enjoyable now :/
Good thing they counter swapped they almost had to use skill
Bro the Polar Hog skin is so unbelievably peak.
1:48 are we as bad as Orisa or Sombra players though, flats?
theyre all on the same level
no one is worse then the others theyre just all annoying
@@advancegeo2986sombra easily the worst
Depending on what you play in general, most of the cast can be considered annoying, so it's all nonsense really
@@PrimeKeroHS thats just not true of course there are always counters to what youre playing but those character pratically counter half the roster just by existing anyone like mei or sombra who take away your ability to fight back will always feel bad in an ability shooter
18:40 PICK THE F ANA AND THE F ZEN
I CAN'T BE FORCED TO ORISA ALONE
Honestly, while I am not too fond of one-tricks, I am glad to see some variation in OWCS... The matches feel quite dull when its always Orisa, Tracer, Soljourn, Kiri, Lucio....
I don't hate one tricks. I hate one tricks that don't adjust their playstyle. you can see hog here playing differently against the different comps. one tricking a hero is viable, one tricking a single strategy is not.
02:24 lucio started to cook
i absolutely love teams like this. i get bored watching the same team comp over and over. this makes it really exciting. i think they should implement a competitive tournament with 5v5 random heroes retaining the 1-2-2 format. it would make games really interesting seeing how high skill players adapt to what they are given. it would be more entertaining allow devs recognize balancing requirements.
It pains me to watch this honestly, I wanted Nightmare to win but there's just nothing you can do against the other team locking both meta dps and toggling between 2 meta tanks
OWCS playing chess, TML Nightmare eating the pieces when no ones looking.
Bro mauga, hog, orisa. This is a true nightmare blunt rotation
7:54 flats makes the undertale noise that plays when you encounter an enemy
At 14:30 KYIDK does a weird lock on Ana, very weird at 0.25x much like aimbot to be honest. A hard perfect lock-on for like 3 frames, just when left click is pressed. That is REALLY suspicious.
that's just completely delusional, any decent player can see an enemy for a whole second and then put their cross hair on them
When you have to counter pick a non meta team comp. You know how bad it is for them.
26:22
clean ahh transition from Mauga to Tracer
its like the chess move where you just piss on the board
its funny in the Eichenwalde vice was getting cooked until they all went the f the hog picks
A team full of One Tricks is surprisingly good, too bad the other team is hyper meta
That second match sucked cause you could really tell the better team didn’t win, it was just the full on hard counter mess express
I heard you mention this on the Group Up Podcast. Thank goodness I watch enough of all your channels to get this recommendation; I wouldn’t have found this game on my own.
Remember when they said they wanted to help remove counterwatch?
Imagine scrimming for weeks with your comp just to be forced to pick mauga and ana cause some dude shits on you with hog lol
36:53
dude no cap i am also eating popcorn because I was craving it
🤓🤓
I loved '& dirt still exists'
this felt like watching a ranked match with hard comms
They really took the peak bronze team comp and made it work at a pro level lmao. No one knew wtf to do against them because it was so random and unexpected. Reminds me of when PRX first came on the Val scene
Okay I typed this after the first map lol unlucky but still fun to see them give it a go
I've been enjoying these a lot!
Can someone explain the use of “special move” instead of “ultimate”?
My favorite character is the reaper guy. he is very powerfull. special move, honestly is one of the best in the game and so he comes equipped with these two revolvers and only takes about 3 or 4 shots to actually execute a kill so it comes really in handy specially when you come from the side.
Some characters have combo's that are part of their kit. Think Roadhog's 1 shot hook combo.
@@GeoffronXit’s shotguns, his ult is nowhere near the best in the game. everything counters it. dva defense matrix, sigma rock, ana sleep, sigma can also absorb it, widow can easily headshot snipe you because you can’t really move when popping it. reaper q is really only viable in low ranks because low ranked players aren’t smart enough to look for it. anything past plat and you’re getting sat down the moment you even THINK about pressing Q.
@@bloodchallit's a copypasta.
I think the team Avoided that flats talked about turned into EU's AWW YEAH. Because Chazm is Ball from Avoided.
Hey does anybody know if the usual Outro song, know the feeling, is copyrighted? Thanks.
martha?
I am so happy there is a namekuji brother equivalent in other region too now :D fuck the meta, give us fun to watch and root for. 😂
the otp team was also the only team to watch with joy ngl
I always wondered from where is that moira skin?, i never see it neither in store, nor in hero galery.
That’s one of her overwatch 1 archives skins.
I get that this is high level play and ana is bad because of her mobility, but i think it would still be a good pick against mauga or roadhog for either teams
i love the OWCS content
One of my best friends from high school HevenlyOk plays Torb for Nightmare. These guys are so funny
Watch the Moira be Nolan on an alt XD
I’ve had so many rein duels lately
when your 5 stack ranked only strats dont apply here lmaoo
Anyone know if the moria has an socials? I wanna follow them
LISAN AL HOG
shit like this makes me want to watch ow2 tournaments now, its always been soo boring seeing mirror matches
I assumed they were just playing against Vice the youtube channel for whatever reason
Another reason to dislike mauga, bro is able to just stand there but better than orisa.
I love off-meta picks
team of old otp is clockwork vendetta
So the way to actually use the hog heals is to not use the heals and you the damage mit aka use your heals to minimize damage taken like a shield. You sip your heals it cuts you damage taken between your slow gun
If this wasnt high ranked gameplay, i would say it looks like the matches i see t bronze
I'll literally root for any team that's not running orisa
One tricks find a way to make it work
Honestly as someone who plays roadhog (ever since ow2, I haven't just had the drive to enjoy the german man anymore...) somewhat decently, I don't like flashpoint. Other than my personal feelings of "walking simulator" and "it feels like it lasts for forever", I honestly think some points are too open and make it hard for me to make the most of hog's kit because I get poked out before I'm even close enough to get something done. The woes of a lucio player on roadhog.
Don’t sleep on Moria. She’s kills and heals.
I live down the road from cabot!!
finally something interesting other than same basically same teams all the time
Imagine if we get to see Dirt vs Nozl
I find it a little insane flats is saying “good adjustments” but also says “counter swapping a monkey could do” and I agree with the latter. There is zero skill in swapping lmfao, so lame.
Remember when bastion was meta?
no i dont xd. is bad since release
Is this what people mean when they talk about a damage comp?
I am wondering why didn't dirt go dva i dont watch the owcs if someone can explain that would be great.
Nightmare are now my goats
DIRT!!!
a mauga win is no win in my books, idc fight me
I swear OWCS is so trolley. These plays would never work in my plat/diamond lobbies 😂
I mean when you’re among the best players in the world and on a team of other top players while everyone is communicating at the highest level, it’s a lot easier to make anything 18:12 work than it would be in slightly above average ranked games where it’s basically a free for all lmao
@@westidegunnadlibs yeah you do got a point. I still see a lot of plays where it gets me thinking like “wait, this is one of the top players in the world?” lol not like I’m close to as good as them though.
Just me and Martha
BASTION!!!!!
brostion
btw didnt u have Xacount ? i think im already following u xd
@@wever4873 maybe 🤔
Flats dissagreees with the soilder but better comment about soujurn, then continues to explain why shes soilder but better lmao
Depression
This is why I love OWCS leagues better than OWL
flats, you gotta get over hating hog. love hog bro, just embrace the dark side. hes fun, hes crazy, he's not orisa
ppl : bASTION IS OP HUUUUUUUUUH
reality : best bastion only make 5kill in this entire video and 0 with is ult
also reality : tracer sojourn everywhere
ppls : plz nerf bastion
WHY DONT THEY SWAP TO ZENYATTA OR ANA OR SOMETHING
it honestly so stupid that counterswaping beats skill
Always sad to see a meta slave team win
Screw the meta, all my homies hate the meta
This is every low ranked match lol
Bastion deserves an E
afk till hog hits a hook. Thats the strat
like a genji stupid comp. afk til u got nanoblade
Hog for life
TTV-DEADROD_ hog player for the Win
bmain playing league?