AlergicToSnow : Listen to (&watch) Michael Hedges. Michael passed away about 15 years ago in a terrible car accident but was one of the early creators of this type of playing.
Mike Dawes is my hero and the person solely responsible for me not giving up on guitar, topping that off with the fact that he played The Impossible at EuroBlast 2014 when he hadn't planned on it, just because little me asked due to it being my favourite song of all time. Mike is a gift to this world and one of the most gentle and kind beings I have had the pleasure of meeting. I would personally LOVE to see more lessons from him!
As an earlier comment pointed out, these are polymeters, but I wanted to add that it's refreshing to hear polymeters used outside of progressive metal. As much as I love prog metal, I've always wanted to hear them used in a different context.
I went to Andy McKee's Guitar Masters show at the Freight. Three hours of this level of playing. Mike opened. Definitely my favorite show that year. Just jaw dropping.
This is how I was able to play this: using an electric guitar and turn the volume down all the way to Zero, synchronize, and then increase the volume. The struggle that everyone is facing is almost the same, 'being able to play them individually, but not able to play them together'...When I first tried to play this, I practiced continuously for an hour and was only able to get the synchronization for 3 to 4 times, and then back to 0 again and again.. In my case, I was able to identify that my brain is focusing more on the sound which was loud, i.e, the notes being played by the right hand. They are treble notes and the left ones are bass notes. Even if I started by playing the notes on the left hand, when the right hand notes were played, since they sound more loud than the left ones, my brain automatically started focusing only on the Tone coming from the Right hand notes, and thereby, messing up the left hand. So I unplugged my Electric guitar, and then played them individually to get the feel and the pattern, and then I played them together. This time I was able to Improve my synchronization. It's not perfect yet, but the improvement was considerably higher because now there was no sound, and I was able to focus only on the frets and the strings. In short, it was the sound that was messing up my synchronization, so I practiced with 'no sound'. And when it was improving, then turned on the sound. Everyone will be facing a different issue, and this was the solution I could come up with for the time being. Maybe someday I'll be able to figure out a different way. I've been playing the guitar for almost 6+ years, and yet, when I tried the Polyrhythm for the first time, it felt as if I am learning the guitar from scratch.
The pass the god damn butter one is a true polyrhythm, the song example though is more of a polymeter- polyrhythms typically match up on the downbeat, say 4/4 and 5/4-each would be a slightly different tempo so every beat one lines up. A polymeter is more than one meter, but the tempos are the same so there is a phasing effect so they only line up every so many bars.
For anyone trying to learn this and having trouble playing both figures at the same time. This really helped for me. Just play the figure with the right hand non stop and try to only add the first 2 bass notes of figure 1 and 2. Hope this might help someone.
oh my, i cant believe i have only just found you as id have studied you ages ago had i known. cant wait to get home and try some of your stuff and hopefully become a lot better in a good few months or so.
Is it just me, watching Dawes discourages the living hell out of me. This technique goes way beyond patting your head and rubbing your belly. Can't help but be absolutely captivated by his playing.
I only have an inexpensive Alvarez acoustic guitar but I'll give this tutorial my best shot Mike . . . It certainly looks like a bit of a challenge . . . Thanks . . . All the best & stay well !!!
Does anyone else find it much easier to count it as 6/4 rather than 12/8? The length of the note values in 6/4 (one, two, three, four, five, six) makes it simples and maybe groovier to count than one...twelve (12/8).
This is brilliant, love it! Great composition. Technically 12/8 has the beat every three quavers. You are playing a very clear 3/4 with the beat every two quavers (in the left hand).
Actually, depanding on the signature of both your rythms, you might need less than X Ys and Y Xs (if it makes sense). these numbers are just true for every rythm you might try, but some couples might come back together faster than X and Y times (let's take 6 and 8 for example, they meet back up first at the 4th six and not the 8th six. They still meet also at the count you gave though). Just a little clarification so that people trying out with this don't get confused because rythms meets back up faster than they expected.
you're actually such a sick guitarist. much appreciated video, it's hard to find a bunch good of visual and verbal explanations of a polyrhythm . that's amazing playing though honestly.
You're like an updated, modern day Chet Atkins! Thanks for the demonstration :) Not sure I'd ever play that but that is some awesome playing.. I have since downloaded some of your music on my Apple Music account :)
@@dr.vincentdada7867 currently, Giuliani's 120 right hand studies for guitar. Also working on learning a few different songs via tabs. Got guitar pro a few weeks ago and absolutely love it. Aside from that, just having fun and goofing around with my guitar a few hours each night
Playing polyrythems has always been a huge challenge for me. Keeping two seperate times makes me fall apart everytime. I was about to give up and head back into my Sacred Training Grounds when he said, "pass the goddamn butter". I can't give up after hearing that 😂
I was lost when he tapped that 4/4 and 3/4 example at the introduction... The rest i understood mathematically, but to me it looks like youve got to be a robot to pull it off... Just incredible 🤯
For 4/4 and 3/4, just divide a bar into 12 beats. 4/4 will hit every 3 beat on beat *1,4,7,10* and 3/4 will hit every 4 beat on beat *1,5,9*. So the 4/4 and 3/4 polyrhythm will look like this: (1) 2 3 (4)(5) 6 (7) 8 (9) (10) 11 12 Pass - - the god - damned - butter --
aren't POLYMETERS different time signatures overlapped meeting after x messures and a polyrythm the subsequent result but could also be two different 4/4 rythms?
I don't think you quite got the concept of this video right. I think it's just an introductury lesson for everybody who doesnt really know what a polyrhythm or meter is. His lesson makes it really obvious for a layman just how simply 3 against 4 or 5 against 6 (like in the video, what you called "bogus" :D ) is structured and sounding and how common it is in pop music, making people realize "Huh, I get it, I can do it", hopefully inspiring them to push themselves. Cuz maaaaaaany aspiring musicians have a learned fear of pushing themselves, not seeing progress but only normal failures while practicing, giving them a little confidence boost. Remember that this is commercially uploaded video, that needs a catchy title for marketing porpuses. Many people are aware of that. Please keep that in mind
Is he using silk and steel strings? Those are lightweight and carry a resilience to them that’s smooth but also is great with a pickup and mic. Anyway fingerstyle is fun for me..this lesson was super cool. Just learned some new chords haha nice!
Hey Mike. When you play figure 2 at the end of the second bar have you tried hammering 9 pull of 8 on the a string? I think it adds a nice dynamic like when you change the pattern to the end of the 2nd bar figure one. Really cool melody though. Keep it up :)
I would like to correct Mike Dawes a little bit about the cycle ending where the two rhythms meet up: In general, it isn't necessarily true for rhythm X to play Y times and vice versa to complete a cycle. Instead, X should play *(least common multiple of X and Y) / Y* times (and vice versa). In example, let's say we have a polyrhythm of 4/4 and 6/4. The least common multiple of 4 and 6 is 12. So rhythm X should play 12/4=3 times (instead of 6 like Mike said) and Y should play 12/6 = 2 times (instead of 4) to complete a cycle. And this is just for the polyrhythms that share the same *note value* (4 in 3/4, 4/4, 6/4,..). For polyrhythms that contains 2 rhythms with different note value, their cycle will be more difficult to calculate.
that is basically what he said. he's using 12 and 5. the first common number would be 60. 12x5 =5x12. =60. or 30 if you want to count to 6 instead of 12.
+tom balmer yeah i know he's correct but it is just this very case. I just want to generalize the formula since he didn't mention anything about the common multiple number.
I loved this lesson, where it's extremily thorough, and it's a nice melody and fun technique to learn. however. is it really a Polyrythm? The first example shown (pass the god-damn butter) is a polyrythm, but the "riff" in The Impossible, well, isnt' that multiple timesigatures played at the same time? instead of rythms..? or is it just me ?
you guys should check out Andy McKee, greyson erhard and Donovan Raitt, i think they show this style very well and if you guys want to challenge yourself learn a song or two by them !
I've been playing for decades and have never seen this before. Incredible. Love it.
AlergicToSnow :
Listen to (&watch) Michael Hedges. Michael passed away about 15 years ago in a terrible car accident but was one of the early creators of this type of playing.
Along with Preston Reed.
"Now play them together" . It was at that point that my guitar went flying across the room!!!
Neck went flying across the room five times while body went flying twelve times
Mike Dawes is my hero and the person solely responsible for me not giving up on guitar, topping that off with the fact that he played The Impossible at EuroBlast 2014 when he hadn't planned on it, just because little me asked due to it being my favourite song of all time. Mike is a gift to this world and one of the most gentle and kind beings I have had the pleasure of meeting. I would personally LOVE to see more lessons from him!
As an earlier comment pointed out, these are polymeters, but I wanted to add that it's refreshing to hear polymeters used outside of progressive metal. As much as I love prog metal, I've always wanted to hear them used in a different context.
Great teacher. Takes it apart, stays encouraging, shows amazing new ideas slowly. Thank you! Sounds beautiful too.
I need Polybrains to play it.
I would need MULTIbrains dude!
I need Polyphia to play this
Polycocks
Not poly quad brain
😂😂😂
"lets play it together" HOW?!
count me in.
this shit is like calculus for acoustic guitar players
lowermiddleclassy basically L.C.M of X & Y !!
;D
This nigga is doing so much multitasking with how he plays guitar it's a no damn wonder he doesn't sing
Polyrhythms in drum are way more confusing
@@reyhanvivaldi9597 no.
I went to Andy McKee's Guitar Masters show at the Freight. Three hours of this level of playing. Mike opened. Definitely my favorite show that year. Just jaw dropping.
This is how I was able to play this: using an electric guitar and turn the volume down all the way to Zero, synchronize, and then increase the volume.
The struggle that everyone is facing is almost the same, 'being able to play them individually, but not able to play them together'...When I first tried to play this, I practiced continuously for an hour and was only able to get the synchronization for 3 to 4 times, and then back to 0 again and again..
In my case, I was able to identify that my brain is focusing more on the sound which was loud, i.e, the notes being played by the right hand. They are treble notes and the left ones are bass notes. Even if I started by playing the notes on the left hand, when the right hand notes were played, since they sound more loud than the left ones, my brain automatically started focusing only on the Tone coming from the Right hand notes, and thereby, messing up the left hand.
So I unplugged my Electric guitar, and then played them individually to get the feel and the pattern, and then I played them together. This time I was able to Improve my synchronization. It's not perfect yet, but the improvement was considerably higher because now there was no sound, and I was able to focus only on the frets and the strings.
In short, it was the sound that was messing up my synchronization, so I practiced with 'no sound'. And when it was improving, then turned on the sound.
Everyone will be facing a different issue, and this was the solution I could come up with for the time being. Maybe someday I'll be able to figure out a different way. I've been playing the guitar for almost 6+ years, and yet, when I tried the Polyrhythm for the first time, it felt as if I am learning the guitar from scratch.
Thank you so much for this lesson. Your ballads are nothing short of amazing!!
The pass the god damn butter one is a true polyrhythm, the song example though is more of a polymeter- polyrhythms typically match up on the downbeat, say 4/4 and 5/4-each would be a slightly different tempo so every beat one lines up. A polymeter is more than one meter, but the tempos are the same so there is a phasing effect so they only line up every so many bars.
Shut the fuck up.
@@poorquay5732 The guy says true. If you disagree, then you don't write anything. Be respectful.
For anyone trying to learn this and having trouble playing both figures at the same time. This really helped for me. Just play the figure with the right hand non stop and try to only add the first 2 bass notes of figure 1 and 2. Hope this might help someone.
Your lesson is so useful. Please continue make you lesson . thank you so much
Thank you for taking the time to show me this! Great polyryth, poli , ple eh... great tune!
oh my, i cant believe i have only just found you as id have studied you ages ago had i known.
cant wait to get home and try some of your stuff and hopefully become a lot better in a good few months or so.
Is it just me, watching Dawes discourages the living hell out of me. This technique goes way beyond patting your head and rubbing your belly. Can't help but be absolutely captivated by his playing.
This is an advanced technique that even 10+ year professionals have trouble with. I'm sure you're fine.
I only have an inexpensive Alvarez acoustic guitar but I'll give this tutorial my best shot Mike . . . It certainly looks like a bit of a challenge . . . Thanks . . . All the best & stay well !!!
Does anyone else find it much easier to count it as 6/4 rather than 12/8?
The length of the note values in 6/4 (one, two, three, four, five, six) makes it simples and maybe groovier to count than one...twelve (12/8).
i was wondering the same thing
I think it's because he needs the pattern of 5 to play out in complete twice during the pattern of 12.
this is all cool and all, but I got an issue, How do you play them together
This is brilliant, love it! Great composition.
Technically 12/8 has the beat every three quavers. You are playing a very clear 3/4 with the beat every two quavers (in the left hand).
Actually, depanding on the signature of both your rythms, you might need less than X Ys and Y Xs (if it makes sense). these numbers are just true for every rythm you might try, but some couples might come back together faster than X and Y times (let's take 6 and 8 for example, they meet back up first at the 4th six and not the 8th six. They still meet also at the count you gave though). Just a little clarification so that people trying out with this don't get confused because rythms meets back up faster than they expected.
you're actually such a sick guitarist. much appreciated video, it's hard to find a bunch good of visual and verbal explanations of a polyrhythm . that's amazing playing though honestly.
& I'm getting you're album now, off rip.
Im buying a guitar today.... this was a great lesson...this young man is absolutely awesome. .
How are you ?
You're like an updated, modern day Chet Atkins! Thanks for the demonstration :)
Not sure I'd ever play that but that is some awesome playing.. I have since downloaded some of your music on my Apple Music account :)
I hope people appreciate drummers better now. Great playing and ideas from Mike.
Been practicing hard lately. Feel I'm improving fast and this exercise is exactly what I needed, though didn't I know I needed it lol
Hi Felon, what materials do you have for practice?
@@dr.vincentdada7867 currently, Giuliani's 120 right hand studies for guitar. Also working on learning a few different songs via tabs. Got guitar pro a few weeks ago and absolutely love it. Aside from that, just having fun and goofing around with my guitar a few hours each night
Playing polyrythems has always been a huge challenge for me. Keeping two seperate times makes me fall apart everytime. I was about to give up and head back into my Sacred Training Grounds when he said, "pass the goddamn butter". I can't give up after hearing that 😂
Nice stuff Mike. Paying close attention to your teaching. Can't thank you enough. p.s. Beautifully played.
I was lost when he tapped that 4/4 and 3/4 example at the introduction... The rest i understood mathematically, but to me it looks like youve got to be a robot to pull it off... Just incredible 🤯
For 4/4 and 3/4, just divide a bar into 12 beats. 4/4 will hit every 3 beat on beat *1,4,7,10* and 3/4 will hit every 4 beat on beat *1,5,9*. So the 4/4 and 3/4 polyrhythm will look like this:
(1) 2 3 (4)(5) 6 (7) 8 (9) (10) 11 12
Pass - - the god - damned - butter --
Great lesson, can't wait to see more.
This guy is real knowledgeable and an amazing player. Wow.
I need polylives to reach this level ...
Amazing, this will be fun to practice.
Awesome lesson..very interesting technique! Very beautifully done!
I died at the, "Pass the God damn butter...", lyric :')
Great lesson interesting patterns and well explained ..thanks
What a fucking beast man. This guys acoustic skills are insane
'now play them together' yeah alright mate will do giz a sec, cheers
"confuse your neighbours and scare your dog.."
I think might have pulled that off a couple times before...
"So there's this part" nice
"And now there's this part" nice I can do that
"now play them together" wait what
Sounds beautiful!
Amazing guitarist, musician, presentation, inspiration:)
Finally got this xs worth learning
Masterful and beautiful and way over my head
Good thing I just started learning The Impossible. This will help a lot, thanks :)
aren't POLYMETERS different time signatures overlapped meeting after x messures and a polyrythm the subsequent result but could also be two different 4/4 rythms?
*****
wtf the guy isn't full of shit. he got a term slightly wrong but a polymetric rhythm is still polyrhythm
I don't think you quite got the concept of this video right. I think it's just an introductury lesson for everybody who doesnt really know what a polyrhythm or meter is. His lesson makes it really obvious for a layman just how simply 3 against 4 or 5 against 6 (like in the video, what you called "bogus" :D ) is structured and sounding and how common it is in pop music, making people realize "Huh, I get it, I can do it", hopefully inspiring them to push themselves. Cuz maaaaaaany aspiring musicians have a learned fear of pushing themselves, not seeing progress but only normal failures while practicing, giving them a little confidence boost. Remember that this is commercially uploaded video, that needs a catchy title for marketing porpuses. Many people are aware of that. Please keep that in mind
Correct, everyone seems to confuse the two so much that they terms are interchangeable now.
Well alrighty, Mitch! :) We all look forward to you posting performance or instructional videos on.... well, anything. Be careful when you judge.
Polyrithyms are two rithyms in one
Polymeters are two instruments playing in different time signatures
Wonderful!!!
Now that's an awesome melody!!! Too bad I don't have a capo.
10 euros good one:)
I've used a pencil and a couple of rubber bands when I didn't have one.
I tried it too back in the day! It didn't work that good, I don't know why.
Haha, definitely a poor man's solution. The key is two or more good rubber bands.
+Tom Strahle True lol! Yeah, maybe that's why. I was too scared to force it though, I didn't want to mess up my beautiful Yamaha! :P
Great leson
so talented. I like it
I enjoyed that a lot ! Thank you !!
I'm pretty sure this is polymeter, not polyrhythm, but still a great lesson. Loved the piece and will certainly check this guy out.
Great lesson man. Thank you for sharing it.
you helped me a lot ...
made my day
Amazing Musician !!!
Great tutorial Mike!!
Is he using silk and steel strings? Those are lightweight and carry a resilience to them that’s smooth but also is great with a pickup and mic. Anyway fingerstyle is fun for me..this lesson was super cool. Just learned some new chords haha nice!
Great explanation - thank you for clearly explaining it
Great playing!
Hey Mike. When you play figure 2 at the end of the second bar have you tried hammering 9 pull of 8 on the a string? I think it adds a nice dynamic like when you change the pattern to the end of the 2nd bar figure one. Really cool melody though. Keep it up :)
What he said
I would like to correct Mike Dawes a little bit about the cycle ending where the two rhythms meet up:
In general, it isn't necessarily true for rhythm X to play Y times and vice versa to complete a cycle. Instead, X should play *(least common multiple of X and Y) / Y* times (and vice versa).
In example, let's say we have a polyrhythm of 4/4 and 6/4. The least common multiple of 4 and 6 is 12. So rhythm X should play 12/4=3 times (instead of 6 like Mike said) and Y should play 12/6 = 2 times (instead of 4) to complete a cycle.
And this is just for the polyrhythms that share the same *note value* (4 in 3/4, 4/4, 6/4,..). For polyrhythms that contains 2 rhythms with different note value, their cycle will be more difficult to calculate.
that is basically what he said. he's using 12 and 5. the first common number would be 60. 12x5 =5x12. =60. or 30 if you want to count to 6 instead of 12.
+tom balmer yeah i know he's correct but it is just this very case. I just want to generalize the formula since he didn't mention anything about the common multiple number.
Great lesson!
awesome!!! I suck at rhythm guitar and I will try this
P.S I can't believe i counted 12 times correctly
Awesome. What's that song in the intro?
neocortex1312 his cover of scarlet by periphery
Thank you!
No problemo
Awesome dude!
Great explanation :-) First time i got to understand how polyrhythms actually work :-D
I feel like I'm back at twinkle twinkle Little Star when I listen to you. I just learned how to play classical gas and my brain is full.
thats beautiful bro!
I loved this lesson, where it's extremily thorough, and it's a nice melody and fun technique to learn.
however. is it really a Polyrythm?
The first example shown (pass the god-damn butter) is a polyrythm, but the "riff" in The Impossible, well, isnt' that multiple timesigatures played at the same time? instead of rythms..?
or is it just me ?
just found the answer lower down in the coments, ignore this one :D
Beautiful
Excellent teaching, really clear. F all change of playing this :-)
Nice stuff Mike, obviously well performed but you came off very charismatic and entertaining to keep the attention of the viewer
I wonder what pickup is installed that sounds so brilliant
you guys should check out Andy McKee, greyson erhard and Donovan Raitt, i think they show this style very well and if you guys want to challenge yourself learn a song or two by them !
Mike!! If you could tell me what you were playing at 2:20 with a tonewood with Andertons music co, I would be forever grateful.
So beautiful.
beautiful
Great 💫
he's really good at pulling off
5:51 I was focusing so hard to understand the alignment then he throws in some more junk and gives me a stroke
is that from the Impossible song ? :)
marine le brun
I gret ful sir....😘😘😘😘
I struggled to get the volume out of the hammer on notes until I put a set of 13/56 gauge strings on a guitar .
this guy's is superhuman for real real real
amazing!
Maybe a silly question but what is the name of the song in the intro? I like it!
Fucking love this guy.
Damn, I was hoping this would suck, because who can be bothered with the extra complexity.. but the song is just...amazingly beautiful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a polymetric instead of a polyrhythm?
Hey Mike WHAT ON EARTH SONG WAS THAT PLAYING IN THE BEGINNING?! I like the way that sound. If you could tell me that'll be awesome
KeithRobTV I think it's his cover of scarlet by periphery
This is why I am a bass player !!
IM JUST GONNA THROW MY GUITAR AND WATCH THIS GUY
Lol I love the acoustic version of scarlet there at the intro
Is there a way to work on just the polyrhythmic structures.....I can't even get my hands to do it on my leg w/o the guitar...
1:15 that laugh tho!
Confusing my neighbors is a huge motivation.
I love ghost notes
Are the 5 notes in the right hand 16 th and the 6 notes left Hand 8 th?
Woah! I can hear them everywhere, now...