Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan - Theatrical vs. Director's cut
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This video compares the theatrical Blu-ray version of Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan, with the 2003 Director's cut DVD.
Some previously deleted scenes were put back to their correct place, and some other scenes have been replaced with different takes.
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The loss of Scotty’s nephew, Peter Preston, broke my heart. To see Scotty devastated hurts.
Doohan really sells the moment, doesn't he? Like a lot of the Trek cast, a talented and undervalued actor.
@@danmcdaid He is a Father in real life right? So it maybe easy to get into at mindset as it think what happen if he lost his son right?
I had no idea that was Scotty's nephew. I was wondering why he had so much feeling for the trainee.
@@scott.c9587 Peter Preston was the son of Scotty’s sister.
If you like that, read the actual novel. Peter staying at his post, kept the enterprise from being destroyed
The director's cut adds more depth to the story without sacrificing momentum. 2 priceless scenes that would have been tragic to leave on the cutting room floor: Bones and Spock arguing about genesis and Scott's emotional exit after the death of his nephew. These scenes gave these good actors a chance to show that they have a greater range of abilities than most people took them for. Truly, the best of Trek...
Indeed, it explains why Scotty was so upset about the death of the trainee who stayed at his post while the rest of the trainees ran
I remember having read some Star Trek Books as a kid and only THERE found out that Peter Preston (Or Prescott.. never understood it that well) is actually Scotty's nephew. Which really surprised me since it was never mentioned once during the Theatrical cut. Years later, back in 2003 when the Directors Cut DVD came out and i finally saw the expanded scenes it was so amazing to see it because it really belongs into the film. And also makes Scotty's reaction to the loss of that cadet a lot more understandable.
That was one of the scenes I always disliked, Scotty showing up on the bridge with the body of Prescott, who we discover later wasn't even dead yet. What did he hope to accomplish by going to the bridge? Why not go directly to the infirmary? That wouldn't happen even on the most undisciplined ship in any Navy. It could only serve one purpose: to embarrass Adm Kirk, something the real Scotty would never do, even in a moment of personal anguish. Instead of expanding on that by revealing his relation to Prescott, the entire subplot should have been cut.
It's a minor quibble: Wrath of Khan is a film I very much enjoy, and at least they did not change important scenes.
I disagree. The DC saps the movie of momentum and in some cases completely ruins the tension, ie. Carol Marcus telling her staff that they're leaving Regula One. It completely takes away from the mystery and tension of the landing party scene with Kirk, Saavik, and McCoy.
I agree with those scenes, also the one shortly after Scotty leaves sick bay. Kirk and McCoy are talking, McCoy says “ you gave as good as you got”. Kirk then says “ were only alive because I knew something about these ships he didn’t”. That really makes Kirks star fall to earth. It shows he’s just a guy that got lucky. That humanization was perfect. I’d have loved to have seen that when I was a 12 year old who idolized Capt. Kirk. I think that realization for us younger fans in the audience at that time would’ve been very cool to experience. Just my opinion.
"I only use it for medicinal purposes": That line has never ceased to make me laugh.
McCoy hadn't got his stash onboard as yet and we do not know if Scotty has his still set up yet either.
My biggest beef was erasing the fact that Preston was Scotty’s nephew. It made the movie more......human.
Before I have seen the director's cut I always wondered why Scotty brought a random dying guy on the bridge
Gotta love what I call Shatner's "micro-acting" like his facial expressions when drinking unfamiliar beverages...Romulan Ale and Michelob (Star Trek IV).
+Brennon Guilbeau Bill Shatner is a very underrated actor. He can deliver a very subtle but still powerful performance if he gets a good script and a good director.
+TrekkieChannel
He's underrated period.. That guys rather smart. He avoids any political BS, he had his hands in everything from cooking to trikes .. And he quotes many philosophers ... might really BE a better Kirk then Kirk was written?! Great vids, you got a sub.
Not that great of a director himself though.
@Brendon Guilbeau If memory serves me correctly, it wasn't really acting on his part with the facial expression post-sip. I recall hearing at a con in the mid 1980s how much of a practical joker DeForest Kelley was, and that he'd spiked the blue juice they used just ahead of that take. Meyer (the director) loved it so much that he used that particular take. I don't think anyone knows to this day exactly what Kelley spiked the bottle with, because he took it to his grave.
Well, you mean "regular decent acting" of any actor who is better than tomato juice in cellar. I mean, if you love his acting so much, try to observe some real actors and their "micro-acting".
A good director's cut - nicely cleaned up and the extra little scenes and even alternate takes are much better.
The added scene at 6:59 cuts even deeper in the novel. There, it's established that Scotty's nephew Peter not only stayed at his post, but thereby rerouted power and kept the ship from going dark completely. So, Kirk says, "We're alive only because I knew something about these ships that he didn't, and because one fourteen-year-old kid..." and there he trails off, unable to continue. Peter Preston was barely a teen in the novel.
A great novelization by the late Vonda McIntyre, one of the best Star Trek fiction writers ever!!!!!!
14 in the novel? That’s bullshit! Cadets are older than that. Who the hell did the novelization, a newbie?
No contest the Director cut . Most of the time they hurry to get their product in theaters than to take the time an rewatch scenes an see the mistakes or under studio saying to trim time off the film . I thought when the last Bluray of this film would have the scenes in it or at least both versions .
Director's cut was superior in almost every way.
I prefer it too.
Agreed, but your "almost" is the key word here.
The one take I don't care for is the directors version of the Regula 1 argument. David's quieter delivery of "scientists have always been pawns of the military" just feels weird. I prefer the theatrical version of that particular scene,... and the "that's for us to know and Reliant to find out" kinda gives things away, it was better without it.
A lot of these scenes were in the television version I saw on ABC back in the 1980s. I had that recorded for several years on a VHS cassette.
And yet unnecessary in every way
I like the additional dialogue scenes. To me, they make the film more akin to the "feel" of the original series. I would very much like to own this version.
It's out on Blu-ray now. :) And there is also a Directors Edition outthere on DVD from 2003 which contains these scenes as well.
It also rounds out the storyline a lot more
I love how is zooms in on Kirk when Spock talks about ego. xD
A common misconception by people who don't recall Kirk's character throughout the TV series
1:35 I can't believe that a history buff like Kirk wouldn't know what eyeglasses were. I'm sure that's why it was originally (and rightly) edited out.
Possibly
That’s a good point.
Always took it as Kirk joking with McCoy. He knew what they were but wanted to see what reaction he'd get.
I don't think anyone believes Kirk didn't recognize what they were. He was clearly being facetious.
It's very likely that Kirk was unfamiliar with the style of these eyeglasses due to the fact that he seemed to be more of a history buff when it came to firearms than other things
Wow, I've never seen alternate takes that arent bloopers. As a musician I find it fascinating how tight and consistent the takes are!
Spock's death (actually, from the moment Kirk noticed he was not on the bridge until the end) and Kirk's reaction to David's death (next movie) broke my heart
I've seen the movie maybe 20 times and it still has the same emotional effect on me as the first time.
My favorite re-edited scene is Preston’s death and the additional dialogue Kirk and McCoy have after Scotty leaves. They seem more troubled by Khan in the DC. The scene has more weight to it and doesn’t seem rushed like in the theatrical cut. On a different note, it’s hard to believe Kirk doesn’t know what reading glasses are when McCoy gives them to him. But I do like the added dialogue referring to the age of the glasses. It’s a nice touch knowing that Kirk will eventually sell the glasses at a pawn shop in Star Trek 4.
I like how the audio is not quite synced up and it makes everyone sound like Borg.
it's "fascinating" how much the eyes forgive once you see a side by side comparison. it's like putting on a pair of new glasses for the first time and saying,"oh yeah, that's much better!".
I almost never comment on youtube anymore but:
a) this was a spectacularly well-made vid...excellent showing of the comparisons.
b) it's convinced me to buy a copy of the director's cut DVD even though I already own two copies of what I now have realized are the theatrical-only versions.
Glad it helped :)
Have to agree with that last one particularly. The blue was intentional as it cues one into grief, loss, the darkness at the end of this movie that could (symbolically) become light with the previous sun shot.
even without the reveal of Prescott being Scotty's nephew, we already kinda knew they were related, somehow; we weren't stupid.
I remembered watching the theatrical version and wondering, "Why's Scotty was upset about this trainee's death?"
It wasn't until I watching a documentary about this movie where they'd showed the clip where Scotty mentioned that Preston was his nephew and then it made more sense to me why Scotty was so upset
@@karlsmith2570 Huh? You agree? The OP said that audiences understood that Scotty was related somehow to Preston. We didn't need to be beaten over the head with it, like the Director's Cut did. The editor understood this, which is why he deleted the scene. The movie works better without it because the editor gave the audience credit and respected their ability to read between the lines.
So you actually don't agree and misunderstood what the OP was saying.
I knew that from the novelization: it’s revealed later in the book.
I love seeing different takes side by side. It's amazing how they re-act a scene with almost precision timing.
Right? I was completely amazed when I noticed that during the editing
Starfleet uniforms are smart
If you can find it, there is third (the real original) opening title of this movie. It said "STAR TREK THE WRATH OF KHAN" There was no II in it. I remember that vividly and when I re-watched it in IMAX as the Air and Space Museum in DC one night 16 years later, they played it then.
+Returning Shadow I know some copies were like this. Also some copies of ST IV were called The Voyage Home : Star Trek aparently. Unfortunately they were not released on home video AFAIK
I never realised how ironic it was that Scottie should be the first of Kirk's crew to personally pat the price for Kahn's vendetta, as collateral damage in his quest of blood vengeance against his Captain, since Mr. Scott has originally been something of a fanboy admirer of Khan's historical accomplishments in The Space Seed.
Upon having firmly established at last Khan's correct identity, Scottie is perhaps one of the only Enterprise officers present in the meeting already fully familiar with Khan's war record and historical reputation, who thinks he knows who he as and understands fully what kind of a person they find themselves confronted with, remarking "I always had a bit of a grudging admiration for this one.".
Clearly such sentiment was not ever fated to be reciprocated, to put it mildly.
The directors cut seems better in every way, except a handfull of missing frames.
I concur
@Mike DeMarco I can see your point, but I like that short segment for a strange reason. I was once a pilot in the Navy, flying P-3 Orion subchaser planes. One of the items we used were sonobouys, floating microphones that we popped out of the bottom of the plane to listen for submarines. Those hexagonal cylinders lining the Jeffries tube are the plastic containers the sonobouy came in. Star Trek prop guys used to get them and place in various sets around the ship to enhance a generic "technical" look. Once you know what they look like, you notice them scattered all over on the various Star Trek shows and movies.
I always knew there were differences in these scenes, but this is great to see them side by side. Thank you!
You're welcome
The theatrical blu-ray version is so... "blueish"
+Élio Ribeiro The color grading on the Director's Cut DVD was done apparently under the supervision of the director. The color grading on the BD was probably done by a color blind person
+TrekkieChannel Hear, hear!
+Élio Ribeiro Maybe it's due to it being the "blu-ray" version. XD
+JoesGuy ...
Élio Ribeiro
Awful joke, but it still works. ;D
Often confused: Color correction normalizes color across many shots, while color grading establishes the general color space within a scene. It's an important distinction.
I personally find the added scenes and different takes are unnecessary and detract from the pacing of the film. Editors are unsung heroes, and this editor did a great job at cutting the fluff to make the movie move better and keep the tension building.
The scene where Carol explains to her staff that they're leaving the station totally removes the tension from the Kirk and landing party scene arriving on Regula One. In the Director's Cut we already know they're not there, even if we don't know exactly where they went. That's probably exactly why the editor cut it.
There really isn't one added scene I like more. The only benefit of the Director's Cut is the colour correction, but even then sometimes the Theatrical Cut looks better.
Thanks for the video, though. Very interesting to see both run side to side. I just disagree that the DC is superior. A lot of Star Trek fans I've talked to online agree that the theatrical version is better overall. It's all subjective and personal preference. I usually prefer the theatrical version of films, with a few exceptions. Blade Runner's DC is definitely the superior version because it gives the audience credit, and doesn't spell everything out. Again, TWOK DC spells too much out and doesn't respect the audience and in doing so ruins the mystery, tension, and pacing.
Very well put. This Director's Cut should really be called the Monday-morning quarterback edition. That changes are so subtle as to be almost meaningless. Myers did not improve anything. Too many subplots, especially in what is essentially an action movie, distracts from the forward momentum. It was enough to have Kirk's son, did we really need Scotty's nephew, too? Why not Chekov's wife, Uhura's yoga instructor (Jazzercise in 1982) or Sulu's cat? Are we really to believe Kirk does not know what eyeglasses are, but proceeds to later so easily put them on and use them IN COMBAT!? Do we really need more lines of McCoy's moralizing to Spock, or one more "fascinating" from our Vulcan first officer (delivered with a touch of emotional sarcasm)? No question: Theatrical cut is the better movie.
@@mikesmovingimages Couldn't agree more. And isn't that extra scene with McCoy giving Spock the gears kinda ridiculous? It's almost exactly the same beats as the theatrical lines, but with different words. It's redundant and superfluous. Like the other added scenes and takes, you can see exactly why the editor cut it.
This means that HBO at some point had aired the Director's Cut back 1983-84, I believe when we bought our first VCR.
My father must have taped the Director's Cut version of WOK, because I totally remember the extra scenes from way back then with Scottie's nephew and such. Geezus, my little bro and I watched this movie over and over until the tape snapped - to the point that we used to recite the movie line for line. ... well this movie and also "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" where he and I LARPed the alien abduction scene of little Gary (Don't laugh... I was eight and my bro was five).
Anyway, I recall the DC cut of Bibi Besch's "I *CAN-NOT* and *WILL NOT* subscribe to your interpretation of this event!!!" take where she puts a ton of emotional emphasis on the scene versus the theatrical subdued version of the same line.
Hey! Thanks for posting this. I really enjoy seeing both versions side-by-side. It's a real treat.
The TV version is almost the same as this DVD version, only thing I remember being different (except cutting a few of the scenes shorter) was a different turbolift scene
And I've actually done comparison videos between the theatrical version and the TV version : ua-cam.com/video/oaOBuG7Ir74/v-deo.html
My brother and I watched the film dozens of times as well and my recollection is the same as yours (kinda made me scratch my head when I saw versions of it later without those scenes and clear alternate takes. Our tape held.
Actually, it was ABC. That was the first time any of the extra footage ever appeared, and from what I understand, very few people, if any, were allowed to show it after them. Nicholas Meyer was not a fan of director's cuts, and both this and ST6 were done without his approval. At least in this case, he decided to acknowledge it and actually help it look its best...
Well he might say he doesn't like them, but the truth is that he keeps changing his movies every single time they get a new release, something like George Lucas
I don't get the last segment: what was so 'hateful' about the Bluray transfer of the end of the movie? It looked identical to me except brighter. I might have preferred the darker original 'dawn' style of the theatrical release, but there was nothing to 'hate' in the brighter re-master for bluray!
I remember watching this on TV once after the theatrical release had run its course. Some of the scenes from the Director's cut made the edited for TV version, including the scene where Spock mentions "The human ego"
It was actually the other way around. Apart from going back to the original take of Saavik and Kirk in the turbolift and deleting Spock's "Fascinating" remark about David Marcus, there's little to no difference between the two. Except for a much better transfer. Hopefully this will be the version they include in the Ultra HD Blu-Ray set.
Despite being a fan of TWOK since 1984 (I was only 3 years old on its release) and watching it at least 2 / 3 times a year STILL - I have never seen the DC and am only aware of the extra plot points (Preston's friendship with Saavik + his relationship to Scotty) due to the novelisation. I am however in awe at the surgical precision of the acting when the alternative takes are shown side to side (even the random kerfuffle aboard Regula 1 matches). Best. Film. Ever. At least equal in 1st place compared to all the other best films ever.
Whenever I watch my copy of Star Trek 2, whenever Scotty's nephew says that Kirk is as blind as a bat, I always like watching the taller kid, standing beside Scotty's nephew. Whenever the nephew is saying his lines, the other guy is standing there with strange expressions on his face, like he's either very surprised by what the nephew is saying, or like he's drunk, when he's supposed to be standing there expressionless. Hahaha
The scenes cut were shit that added nothing to the film. The director's cut was much slower.
"That young man...he's my son"
Spock: "Fascinating"
I'm a Star Wars guy through and through, but in my heart of hearts I believe I'm muthafuccin Starfleet.
I just bought the 4k release of this movie and noticed that this scene was in the directors cut but was missing the dialog. Anyone else have that issue as well?
@@Macsly56 This has been a problem since the 2009 and they still haven't fixed it.
I really get aggravated sometimes seeing scenes like these cut which would add so much more, and give more background and meaning, just to save what...15 minutes? An extra 15 to 30 minutes of Star Trek is every fan's dream, and especially if it adds more understanding.
Now the mention of the 400-year-old glasses with the lenses intact makes the joke in Star Trek IV that much funnier, when the shop owner said they'd be worth more if the lenses were intact.
Jesus Christ, what's with that horrible teal-filter color "correction" on the Blu-ray? It's bad enough that every single new film gets slathered in teal. Do they have to tamper with old films too? Insane. The original colors look FAR better. (They did this to Blade Runner too -- only the original version of the five-disc compilation of all of the versions has the original coloring, and it looks the best.)
The new 2016 transfer looks a bit better. A bit.
Agree completely. Directors and cinematographers today seem to want to have very few colours and Ridley Scott added that teal to the new version of Blade Runner. Then there's the orange skin syndrome which is everywhere but I notice that, thankfully, is dramatically on the wane.
Overall, I like the additional scenes, but some of the takes that they had to use in order to get them weren't as good.
Director's cut failed to add Sulu's missing dialogue when they are heading over to the main ship.
Far as I know this has never been fixed, they have the VO but maybe did'nt film the complete scene, which makes no sense as they pretty much filmed everything else including stuff I never even knew about.
Was that actually filmed? I know Sulu's being given command of Excelsior was a part of the novelization, but I wasn't aware there was anything filmed concerning that...
ST 1 and 2 are some of the most cut and recut movies I've ever seen. Between the TV versions, the theatrical releases, the director's cuts, etc., I've seen both the top and the bottom cuts, and at least one version with some of both, before. Same with ST1; I remember a TV version that aired in the 80s that had a few different sound FX than the ST1 we've had since 2000. Without question though, the 2003 DVD looks much better.
ST1 looks good ONLY on the DVD. As soon as you want to do anything with it, e.g. upscale to HD, it starts to look horrible
Justice League: Hold my beer...
@@smrii2487 Blade Runner 1: Both of you hold my keg...
Bought the Blu-ray box set, watched wrath of khan and noticed the scene where Kirk is introduced to kirks nephew was missing, and immediately turned it off... there’s a lot of other small but key scenes that were cut.... years later a stand-alone blunray release dropped on amazon and of course I bought it and fixed my box set... the Garbage Blu-ray cut was given away
The 2016 box set which features TOS, TAS and the first 6 movies has both versions of Star Trek 2
At 5:09, Crewman is SO dead, McCoy does not even give the usual "He´s dead, Jim."
Bone´s not looking at the monitor or takes the vital signs by hand or whatever.
He just lets the Guy lay back, and pulls the blanket over his face.
Nobody questions the Doc at work.
McCoy knows what was killing the kid. Not every medical knowledge could save the kid.
Director's Cut: Paying the price of watching a full movie for 5 minutes of the movie.
What a stupid take
In a modern movie that involves a crisis everyone has to be running around and screaming, whereas in real life, this is how people would be acting. Scotty still does his job after his nephew dies, Kirk isn't panicking and keeps the bridge crew together and McCoy mans his post. A movie like this would be "boring" to modern audiences.
Great job! However you "cut" it, however, it's such a great movie....
Theatrical looks fine to me. At best the added scenes are unnecessary and at worst they slow down the film.
I'm glad I've seen the scenes, but maybe they would be better as extras on the DVD/Blu-ray
Star trek ii dc is not slowing down the film
I just rewatched this yesterday. It struck me how this movie depicts Kirk as a more selfish person, a bit like Kahn. Less heroic, but at the same time a more believable and human version. The Directors version enhances this. Perhaps this is why it was cut differently, to make Kirk more heroic.
I don’t agree with Meyer cutting the “ That man in my son!”, “Fascinating!” Dialogue between Kirk and Spock in the Jefferies tube for the Blu-Ray.I always loved that exchange ever since my worn out copy of my vhs ABC broadcast recording from the eighties.
The scene from the Director’s Cut at 3:42 looks like it’s gone from anamorphic widescreen to 4:3 full frame format and makes the movie feel like it’s pan & scan which I absolutely despise. That’s where the Director’s Cut lost my vote.
I guess purists didn't like the altered colors but I think they make the movie look brighter and more life-like. Or maybe that's just the way it looks on my monitor.
Well it really depends on what is your goal - some people prefer to have the movie they bought to look "as good as possible on their TVs", others want a perfect representation of the original theatrical version
It's subjective if the retimed color looks best though. For that scene on Genesis, the mood of the scene is totally different, and even the production value to my eye looks cheaper when bathed in bright midday sun.
Wow - this video was brilliantly done! Vudu is having a special on the HDC Director's cut version, and I have seen the theatrical cut so many times, I wonder what the difference were and your video answered that question. Excellent job!
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it.
I think it's in the director's cut that there was an edit made that confused me and kinda screwed with the pacing of one particular scene: when Enterprise makes a successful shot at the bridge of Reliant, the resulting damage causes Khan's right-hand man to get crushed. Khan lifts up the debris to get to him, but then suddenly it cuts to I think Saavik saying something on the Enterprise and then right back to Khan's goon saying his last words. I dunno, I don't remember that scene playing out that way, but it felt kinda sloppy.
Can't wait for my 4K set of I-IV and TNG Complete Series Blurays on Monday to satisfy my new Trek kick.
Without a doubt (in my humble opinion), the Directors cut is superior. Makes one wonder, how many more segments were left on the cutting room floor. Films have to be edited. I get that. In an era of special effects, I often think Producers and in particular, Paramount, tend to believe storylines are secondary relative to photography.
The sad thing is that they didn't show us any deleted scenes on the DVD or Blu-ray releases.
Really? I think the deleted scenes should stay deleted. The extra Scotty grief scenes were so spectacularly poorly acted they were laugh-out-loud funny. Usually when something is deleted there's a good reason. The director's cut of the Motion Picture is superior to the theatrical release because it was the director actually trying to improve the film. This one is just a marketing ploy using a few minutes of awful footage to get us to spend more money. I wouldn't mind a bunch of deleted scenes and alternate takes as extras, but don't pollute the film with them.
A most interesting argument, especially since I was about to argue that deleting scenes is done about 50% of the time for economic over creative reasons and your comment is essentially saying the opposite (adding scenes is for economic reasons). Yet it now occurs to me that both can be true.
(btw I agree on the horrible Scotty extra scenes)
I just watched this the other night from the 10 movie Blu Ray boxset which has the theatrical cuts of all films from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" to "Star Trek: Nemesis", and I don't recall it looking as blue and indistinct as it does here. On the contrary, the image was bright and sharp, and the blue tint is not nearly as exaggerated as it appears in this comparison. Did Paramount re-transfer it for latest boxset which was released around February 2019?
As for the added content, this is one of those cases where the director's cut is merely different, not better. I don't think the movie is missing anything essential without it, and I don't think it's dramatically improved with it. In fact, I would suggest that the theatrical cut is superior in a couple of, minor ways: 1) it leaves us in suspense about the fate of the crew on the science station. In the director's cut, Dr. Marcus announces that they're leaving, so the audience knows they'll be safe from Khan and his crew. The theatrical cut doesn't reveal the science team's fate until much, much later, which I think makes for a better narrative; 2) I don't like how the director's cut makes Kirk seem a bit obtuse for not knowing what eyeglasses are. We're talking about a man who has flintlock firearms, models of sailing ships, and even a Commodore PET computer on display in his home. Surely he's familiar with spectacles.
Contrast this with Robert Wise's cut of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" which is significantly improved with reediting, the reintroduction of key lines and scenes, and the addition of a few new special effects shots. I wish they would release it on Blu Ray already.
Normally, I'm a big fan of director's cuts, but with "The Wrath of Khan", I'm largely indifferent.
Hi, which boxset you have? Because in 2016 Paramount indeed have created created a new transfer so if you bought it in 2019 it's possible you have the new transfer
@@TrekkieChannel I just bought it recently, so I assume it's the latest transfer.
Apart from the colours/image quality, Theatrical version. The extra snippets are not necessary, and seem to be there for the purposed of exposition, which is not needed.
So the directors cut is basically the ABC Sunday Night Movie version?
The filtering and coloring process make it too crisp/clean. You fix a hole with a little spackle, you don't take a hammer to the sheet rock and replace it with new sheet rock and you certainly don't repaint the wall if the old paint can do with a light scrubbing. Put the cuts in but there's a point where you just don't cross the line at punching up the color or even add/change effects. Less is always more when done correctly the first time.
Stupid hanging pauses between the actors' lines kill the "moment" - in both cuts. - making it seem more an indulgence than a reality. Less is more.
My favorite deleted scenes are McCoy's accusation against Spock (great delivery), and the conversation between Kirk and McCoy in sickbay, which Kirk admits he's only alive by luck. (could do without the crying scotty half)
Scott's scene was great...in every way.. Warp Speed Mister Preston. RIP A fortaste of The death of Spock... yes.
I've never seen the director's cut but from this video it just seems like some unnecessary scenes of exposition, sure there is no overbearing blue tint (and only in a couple of shots is it a problem)
These scenes were also included in the network broadcast on ABC. I had recorded it on VHS and watched it about a million times. When I got the official VHS release I was surprised that these scenes were missing!!!!
Yes, the ABC cut was also done by Nick Meyer and it is very similar to the DVD version
I remember that, but like a dummy I never recorded it :-)
A lot of people experienced the same issue!
I knew they added scenes and used alternate takes for TV since I'd seen it in the theater first. The one that didn't make it into this video is an alternate cut of Savik and Kirk in the turbolift, which sounds more sultry. "Are you wearing your hair differently." "It's still regulation, admiral." Also, there's a bit more on the planet Ceti-Alpha V, with outside shots that linger and made it onto a poster. Oops, he says in a later post the TV version is slightly different from the Director's Cut.
@@TrekkieChannelActually, that's not entirely the case. Meyer claimed initially that ABC's cut was done without either his knowledge or approval. The network was notorious for doing that.
I had the HUGE privilege to watch this Directors Cut in January 2020 during a tour of William Shatner across Europe where he talked about all kinds of things and this was also the first time to have the chance watching this film on a big screen, together with my father. :) This was 2 dreams coming true at one evening. During that scene 1:48 the audience giggled and chuckled.
That poor crewman might have lived if Scotty had taken him to sickbay first instead of going to the bridge.
yeah, I never understood that, either, unless they'd established that the turbo lifts were terribly broken...Scotty was NOT the type to want to rub Kirk's nose in it, 'LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!" Scotty would've never done that...but it did provide a chance for Spock (who was supposed to have been in command, when it was a training cruise) a chance to react
Apart from the directors cut looking a little better i really don't care for any of those extra scenes.
How do you not choose to keep the hilarity of this moment in the Final Cut 7:35
6:20 "I know you tried, Doctor!" Poor Scotty.
Daniel Williamson But he didn't try a thing after the kid clinically died, just let him dramatically fall dead in true TOS fashion. Which makes Scotty's line unintentionally absurd
7:35 the dialogue between Kirk and Spock is missing on the director's cut since the 2009 release, it's only on the DVD. I don't know if Nicholas Meyer himself decided years later he didn't want to keep those lines, or if it's a literal mistake that somehow nobody at Paramount has caught in 15 years. Honestly I think it's the latter, it's a fun moment and I love Spock's "so what else is new" delivery. What really seals it for me as being an error, is that without the dialogue you just have a shot of them opening a hatch and climbing for 10 seconds.
Oh, and if you listen to the commentary track on the newer releases, you can actually hear the back and forth exchange between Kirk and Spock in the background.
The extra scene makes Peter’s death have more depth and meaning
There is no dispute the Director's Cut has a superior picture in both color and resolution
Now if only Sulu's edited scene was restored to its full entirety,"I'm delighted! Any chance to go aboard Enterprise."(interruption to exterior shot)
Wasn't the cut only in the ABC TV version? I'd have to check that
I think only the audio exists.. they talk about excelsior..
I first saw Star Trek II on a recorded-from-TV VHS tape. It had all that added footage (save for a few bits involving the Ceti Eel). I later got a two-disc DVD version and saw the alternate bits. Still, nothing out of the ordinary to me. Then I got this double-feature DVD from Best Buy that turned out to contain the theatrical cuts of the two movies (The Motion picture being the first). It was so jarring to me to see the extra stuff I had gotten used to just not be there. Although, seeing some of the alternate takes was interesting. The argument on Space Lab Regula 1 sounded like a rehearsal, though.
Just seems to me like he was trying the line "pawns of the military" in a different fashion.
I usually dig directors cut add-ins but this is the ONLY movie where I prefer the original theatrical cut haha, isn’t that weird!?
I can't decide which version I prefer. I think it's great to see the guy is Scotty's nephew, but at the same time most of the added scenes only slow down the pacing
@@TrekkieChannel Yeah I agree, I think that Preston scene is the only relatively "needed" addition, for context purposes. The other scenes- I can see why they sliced them out originally. I think the acting was not as crisp in those scenes/the theatrical takes were definitely the stronger versions, IMO. Plus the pacing is slowed as you mentioned (see the Genesis debate scene/Preston's death/the birthday scene).
I think when ABC aired this movie for its network premiere, many of those scenes were part of the TV telecast.
Both the ABC version and the DVD version where done under Nick Meyer's supervision and are very similar
Well, they did film the Genesis planet jungle sequences in San Francisco in Golden Gate Park. I lived in SF for 17 years.
Fog comes with the territory, particularly in the park which gets it coming off the Bay & the ocean.
Looked good to me! Better color correction generally
The director's cut was also the cut.used on Network TV (ABC) 1984.
It's not the SAME cut, but it's VERY similar, I also have a video comparing the TV cut with the theatrical version
i wonder if the blu ray of the directors cut that was released not to long ago, looks like the color corrected version. if so, im buying it now lol. Why they cut these scenes is beyond me. makes the movie so much better.
Check some samples here - ua-cam.com/video/vPfiYtBo0Wk/v-deo.html&start=439
The Director's Cut will be out on Blu Ray soon, but hopefully not too blue.
+Urvy1A ...and HDR 4K UHD.... which should really sort out the colour.
Its here and its beautiful
These parts were already in the extended version that somehow people forgot about
Which "extended version" do you mean?
There was an extended version of ST2 all those add ons that this vid shows was in the extended
The versions I know about
1) Theatrical version, released on Blu-ray, the top of this video
2) ABC TV cut - I compare the theatrical version with the ABC cut here : ua-cam.com/video/oaOBuG7Ir74/v-deo.html
3) Director's cut DVD - the bottom of this video, very similar to the ABC cut
4) New 2016 Blu-ray release - I don't have it yet but people found till now 2 differences to the Director's cut DVD
+TrekkieChannel
Will you include the director's cut Blu-ray into one of your comparison videos?
Yes, as soon as my copy arrives
Ike Eisenmann did great as Peter preston
Smoke sume WEED and watch this in 2 D
lolol Too much w the over lay hahhaa
at the end it says "and now another reason why so many hated the blue ray transfer" - or something like that - and what follows is the end sequence where the only difference I see is that it's not as murky and the plants and things look more alive and vibrant. What the hells wrong with it? I don't see it at all.
The fact that the colors are changed
TrekkieChannel Wow, really? That's it? I mean I totally understand both sides of the argument when it comes to original vs enhanced and I've been on both sides of it. It just seemed inconceivable that anyone would prefer the original. It's almost unwatchable with everything so dark and monochrome. I can usually understand any point of view if I don't agree with it.
Well, whoever added the text to that section it had to be out of a sense of purity. I'm baffled if it was aesthetics.
I think you're mixed up. The ugly washed out one on the top is the one the video was complaining about. The director's cut in this case is the "original" since it more closely resembles the colors as they appeared in theaters.
@@TrekkieChannel
Maybe that's your reason to hate it. Not mine - i like the vibrant colors, they make this newborn planet look alive
Why do people whine? I saw it in a theater when it came out, and im fine with it. Whiny little cinesnobs.
I haven't read that far down into the comments, but from what I've seen you're the only one whining.
Great movie. The best of Trek. But really... who thought it was a good idea to have Scotty bring his critically injured nephew _to the bridge_ instead of directly to sickbay?
Can make a decent in-universe explanation that he's in shock and out of his head in those moments, he's not a little bloodied up, too.
Well, at least the edits in the director's cut in II (and also VI) weren't anywhere as complicating as those of TMP. With TMP, the edits between the theatrical version, the special longer version and the director's cut were just all over the place. Like there are scenes in each version that are cut from the other versions. Or scenes that are arranged or edited differently.
I don’t like how Star Trek was turned into navy military in the movies. The uniforms and the behaviour ... it goes against the original philosophy.
That's what Roddenberry didn't like too.
TrekkieChannel He had no control over the production? ... pretty shocking ... maybe those in charge had ties to the CIA .. one of them had a navy background ... so what we are looking at is actually government propaganda ... TNG was much better.
He was the executive producer on the first movie and was blamed for the fact that it went drastically over budget, so from the second movie he was an "executive consultant". Which means he had the right to send memos with his opinions, but they had no real obligation to listen to him. That's one of the reasons why was he frantically trying to keep all control over TNG in his hands
I guess as with everything, it's a matter of preference. Overall I preferred the bluray director's cut.
I didn't get to see this film in the theater (I was about 8 when it came out), so my first viewing of it was the TV Broadcast a couple years later that had these same extra scenes in it that the director's cut has. I'd recorded it on VHS, carefully pausing it during the commercials, and that's what I watched over and over for years. So it was rather shocking when I got my first DVD copy and these scenes were missing because it was the theatrical release (same story with TMP).
They did the same with _Superman_ and _Superman II,_ but I didn't see anything extra when I finally watched _Star Trek III_ on TV. The only thing I can think of is there was a scene prior to Kirk saying, "this entire crew seems to be on the edge of obsessive behavior concerning Mr. Spock."
I don't get why Kirk, the the supposed collector of antiques..yet didn't know a pair of glasses is used for.. he collects flintlock pistols, old clocks and sailing ships etc. Surely he has seen a pair of glasses before.. maybe in an old painting or something. Maybe that was why the scene was edited out though. (Kirk could just be trolling McCoy though, that is a possibility :)
Yep. There was a reason why that dialogue was cut.
He knows what they are. McCoy is ribbing him for getting old; it's clear Kirk doesn't like the idea of another birthday. Kirk is playing dumb, to throw the attitude back at the doctor. The doctor gives it right back: "For most patients *your age*..." It's hard for non-trek fans to understand the subtext between these two characters, and I think that's why they cut it.
The director's cut was broadcast on TV in the 80s. I recorded it and wore out the tape. Nice to see these scenes and takes again.
My old TV airing of this had a mix of the theatrical and the Director's Cut DVD scenes, namely Chekov telling Regula 1 that Kirk is coming for the Genesis Project. But the DVD release has several scenes I'd never seen before, like the extended version of the engine room where Scotty states that Preston is his nephew.
Scotty's reaction to Peter's death made more sense in the directors cut
The Director has less blue tint in the image leaving the Directors cut more warm. Defiantly more shadow detail in the directors cut too. The view of Regular 1 with the planet behind it is great example of this.
The Directors cut is so much better! But that's with most films...
“That’s why so many hate the blu-Ray transfer?” I LOVE the blu-Ray transfer. So I don’t understand your thesis. They did a phenomenal job with it. I thought the whole point of the comparison was to see the improvements in every way.
Is there meant to be no sound in the final comparison?
There was a manual copyright claim for the soundtrack. I had to chose between muting the song and deleting the video
The DC is effectively an extended cut, then.
Basically, yes
The director's cut is absolutely terrible.
Really? There are just a few scenes which I think are not necessary, but other than that I prefer it
It's kinda peculiar when Scottie's nephew infers that Kirk must be "as blind as a Tiberian bat", given that his middle name is, of course, "Tiberius", and we just had that scene with Bones in Kirk's apartment lamenting the deterioration of his eyesight which is beginning to occur and afflict him... because it's probably *not* on purpose..,