China will continue this behavior until we the west (the US up front) stop spinelessly dealing with them. Theyre willing to risk international incidences like this with no real backlash. The people captaining these Chinese vessels need to fear the response their government will have to them if they piss us off. As an American I dont think we should allow our allies to quietly handle this themselves. The Aussie servicemembers need us to respond their government's hands are a bit tied with China currently.
@SubBrief : Hmfp! War Crime, or TWO PEOPLE'S that locked up their own CITIZENS if had the latest indistinguishable from most any flu or unless they took the TEST VAX & then waited two weeks (while not losing their livelihoods @ the same time) as a proof-of-concept first-time-ever experiment?! Just having a little tiff about differences? You tell me.
Hey quick question as an Aussie I had a thought that oil rig like structure pegged in our waters as “harbours” to use for hot crewing and replenishment subs and surface craft. Then the boats don’t have to pull in to rotate as much. This legal in territory water but EEZ to?
Putting aside the geopolitical ramifications of what I'm about to say, I don't know how you can view an action like this as anything other than the weaponization of the vessel's sonar system. If one country uses an acoustic weapon to cause harm to another country's sailors, that doesn't seem to me to be substantially different from using other weapons to cause harm. Put simply, in a vacuum this seems like an act of war to me. The only reason we are limiting our response would be to avoid the obvious consequences of calling a spade a spade.
Problem to me appears to be that the ship was dead in the water. I'm no sailor so I may be wrong, but engaging an enemy ship while unable to maneuver seems unwise. That may be the reason this obvious act of aggression may not have triggered an immediate response in the same way opening fire would have, which would have put the whole vessel and crew in danger. The captain likely decided this was the lesser of two evils. And in hindsight, a few injured soldiers never really have been a cause for war, so there won't be an aftermath for the PLAN. The Chinese likely calculated exactly like that. They knew there was no possible logical response from the aussie vessel, so they decided to poke them a bit. For what reason? I don't have the slightest idea. Maybe they want others to steer clear of territory they operate in in the future. That would allow them to control movement of foreign vessels to a degree by placing their own in certain areas. Would fit the whole wolf warrior diplomacy approach they have going.
@@bikesnblades6737 "Foreign policy doesn't have morals, it has interests." - BeauTFC As infuriating as it is, morally, to not respond with all the fire and fury a ship can muster, I think you're right that the captain made the best call for the crew and ship as a whole. That said.. if Australia and its allies don't follow this incident up with foreign policy statements and or sanctions that are as intense as is possibly viable, the PLAN is going to keep pushing things, and historically...messing with naval ships, especially US and allied naval ships...has not gone well for the aggressors. ...and tensions are H I G H right now...😬
@@i-love-comountains3850 I agree, China has been getting away with its wolf warrior approach for too long. Though it's hard to touch them in any way without shooting yourself in the foot in the process. Tbh, I don't really see too many viable ways to change the situation except for much more drastic measures and calling their bluff. Then again, that may also play right into their hands, especially when it comes to the US as their approach for a long time has been to paint them as imperialistic aggressors, so increasing hostility would play right into china's hand. It's a difficult situation for sure once cost, foreign policy, global economy and the multitude of global crises come into the mix. That's when the life's of a few sailors sadly start getting swept under the rug for the greater good and keeping the status quo intact 😕
The Aussies should've responded according to their rules of engagement. Their divers were deliberately physically injured, probably for life. Go big or go home.
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Legal, perhaps even a casus belli. But probably unwise ultimately, despite how much it rankles. Honestly, I'm thinking China is actively seeking to bait nations into war at this point, although if it is taken seriously it will hurt them more right now. But if you're going to take it there, you need more than a lone Australian vessel far away from its home port. If this had happened to an Arliegh Burke, a proportionate response would have been to aim the phased arrays right at the bridge. Sadly, the Ausie vessel probably didn't have the capability.
@@DazzleCamo there are cameras onboard of the chinese ship as well. The moment the australian ship fires first, nobody is going to care that china was pinging divers, they'll see videos of an australian ship firing on a chinese ship and the chinese returning fire and blame the australians.
"Aggressive behavior" is an understatement and a half. This was a deliberate attack on personnel. If any other country had done that to the Chinese, they would be screaming for war.
War is coming. Xi Jing Peng is a despot, a deceiver as well as economically incompetent. A Chinese "merchant ship" just dragged its anchor 22km in the gulf of Finland and destroyed underwater cables.
My response to the injuring of divers would be to publicly announce a new standoff safety distance between vessels going forward. If threshold is crossed an aggressive posture would he assumed.
I think a good radio call would be: “Chinese vessel: it is forbidden to approach within 10nm as we have divers in the water. It is forbidden to emit any acoustic energy into the water. For your safety, observe these limits. We cannot guarantee the well-being of any vessel that violates these limits.”
I heard that the Australian vessel immediately powered on and left the area, not sure how they did that with the fishing net still there. Was it on a mission or something?
I think nations like Australia need to start enforcing minimum separation ranges (do not approach) for the Chinese navy. Also, return their belligerence, in kind. If they find themselves in distress, ignore them. They can’t be trusted not to cause harm to foreign vessels and sailors.
Not just the navy, but civilian (well, the CCP being what it is, whether they are truly civilian is debatable) fishing boats too, they pretend they don't know who owns waterways, and deliberately fish where they should not be. That is how one of China's fishing boats got itself sunk off the coast of Argentina several years back.
@@Destroyer_V0 They fished their own seas bare so they trawl the waters of any nation which can't fight back. South American nations have the added benefit where once those waters are barren the resulting refugees are going to rush towards the US.
When you said ‘Guess what the Chinese ship did?’ I immediately thought ‘Bang away with active sonar to deafen the divers’ l really do hate being right sometimes 😢
At close distances, "deafen" is the absolute minimum damage you'll do, and frankly about at the bottom of the worries for the divers. "rupture livers", "cause brain hemorrhage" and the like are much more immediate concerns. Liver tissue is inelastic; while things like muscle can stretch and compress to allow the sonic wave to pass through, the liver cannot. A ruptured liver is an immediately life-threatening injury, usually fatal.
I'd say the "net" was a Chinese trap (I've recently heard that the Chinese are using these near Vietnam!), so they propably hurt the Aussies twice, firstly by disabling their ship and then by harming their divers!
I'm a Filipino and the hostile behavior of the PLAN in the world's seas is inexcusable. They know no common decency and show no remorse in their actions. I don't know what kind of retribution can be exacted upon them but they need to be put in check somehow.
@@colinlee9678 I'm referring to the general behavior of the PLAN in the world's seas. If you're referring to the West Philippine Sea specifically, you might be right but then that means The Republic of China should own it.
Them using sonar on the divers is so messed up. That’s a deliberate attack since they made no effort to really render aid. Hope those drivers are okay. The next step is not gonna be pretty
@@peterseth3296 Got an issue then prove your claims, otherwise your just some dude upset with something out of your control that you can't fix yet you act like your comments make a difference because you lack the guise to actually make a case.
I am illiterate of navy regulations for such scenarios but if a captain of a ship has his crew in mortal danger by a deliberate malicious activity, doesn’t he have a right to self defence? What if the divers emerge from the ocean dead? Would he then be justified to fire against the Chinese ship?
Morally, I think he would be within his rights to make the offending ship go bye-bye. Whether that's the right thing to do, given the totality of circumstances? /shrug
@@ts757arseindicted the Chinese captain on gross indifferent attempt homicide charges. Invite him to defend himself he won't. Convict in absence. Issue the arrest warrant.. Makes it hard for that ship with that captain to make a port of call to a neutral nation.. Slap on the risk? Yep. But there will be a lot of places that Chinese captain won't be able to go.
As a Royal Australian Navy veteran, I am appalled at how our government our handling this. Our spineless PM has pretty much fobbed it off to appease his chinese mates.
Your country putting citizens in camps for a virus that had a 99.99%+ survival rate should have been a clue your government is no friend of the citizen.
Its because half of australia's government, her neighbors and china's neighbors still kneels and begs for money from china regardless, the only time they'll change or stop doing so is when pacific ocean finally caught on fire from the "new cold war"
What an idiotic comment. The Chinese govt aren't intimidated by bluster or aggressive rhetoric; when they use it, it is primarily to generate effects upon domestic audiences. They know well enough their own strength. They want the world, and particularly the region, to believe that China's strength is even greater still. It would play entirely to their advantage for Australia to shout invective and make demands, only to be ignored or dismissed (see how effective threats to 'shirt-front' Putin were at reigning in his violent tendencies). So instead, Albanese used discipline and restraint (not derailing a key ally's diplomatic efforts to reduce the likelihood of a major war in our neighborhood), coupled with steadfast resolve. We confirm their violation, we communicate our position, we make it public. Even though they won't listen - they aren't the target audience - that would be the other nations suffering Chinese violations. These transgressions are fuel for the development of regional co-operative security arrangements. That is where our diplomatic efforts are directed, and where we are in most direct competition, even confrontation, with China. It is also one area in which our status as a middle power can be an advantage over a super-power - small nations are wary of inviting a tiger in for dinner. And all the while, we remember. And we politely, but firmly, continue to build our collective deterrence.
Rubbish, how well did Scott from Marketing go when angering the Chinese, apart from ruining the wine industry, some fishing industries, it was also grain, the total dollar amount cost our economy billions. How do you plan on telling people who've lost their job, oh it was all worth it because now the Chinese have changed... When nothing changed, the Chinese were as aggro as ever, just some chums in the coalition got to have a hissy fit that cost people their livelihoods. It did nothing.
Just what do you expect him to do, send our ships over and retaliate? China have us over a barrel economically as we export a large amount to them, if that were to stop we'd all be in the sh!t, very quickly. And you can't blame Albo for that predicament, Australia have been exporting primarily to China for decades. As for appeasing his "Chinese mates", you don't know what has been said behind closed doors, at best you are guessing. BTW, before you think I am a Chinese sympathiser, I am far from it, the Chinese Govt are a bunch of pricks that need to be put back in their place, but Australia can't be the ones to do it, I don't think our Allies would be impressed either.
China is Australia's largest 2-way trading partner. Sanctions from Australia would be devastating to China. I say Australia should impose sanctions and let it be known that every hostile act will see the sanctions become more severe.
Correction: We are now 8th on the list. We export 142 billion USD to them while China exports 78 billion USD to us (us as in us Australians). Meanwhile, their export to the USA is 581.7 billion usd and they import 177.6 billion usd from the USA. This means they are making way more money exporting garbage to the USA than they do to Australia. The only way we can conceivably hurt them would be limiting our export of iron to them because they lack that, however, it would hurt us more in the long term because they represent OUR largest trading partner.
If Australia cut all minerals going to China would stuff Chinese manufacturing industry. But they didn't do it last time China was hostile because Australian mining companies was having a sook. They only see $$$$ they are as bad as the enemy
@@Nathan-ry3yu Easy one. Put export tariffs on all mining exports. Every incident, increase by 10%. Put into law to make it an automatic direct consequence of any aggressive action. Not that the Aussie politicos would ever do that.
They banned all our exports since the start of covid, except for iron ore, so obviously they need that. We might as well have banned that ourselves. That's what we get for letting millions of them come here for the last 20 years, nothing.
Could that not be considered an act of war? The Chinese confirmed they KNEW those divers were in the water and performed actions that were going to injure or kill them anyway... That goes way beyond negligence, that is an intentional and deliberate attempt to cause harm and if that is not a hostile act of war I don't know what is. Let's be real here, if the roles had been reversed and the Australians had done the exact same thing to the Chinese divers they would cry foul so loud the dead would hear it, and demand reparations at the least or begun aggressive posturing immediately. This can't be allowed to slide at any rate, if something isn't done they're going to think they can get away with whatever they please and it's only going to escalate. They're basically getting away with attempted murder; active sonar can get WAY more powerful than 140 decibels which is just the accepted threshold where serious hearing damage will happen. I'm an engineer not a sailor or sonar operator and someone please correct me if I am incorrect, but my understanding is that active sonar can exceed 200 decibels which can rupture internal organs or cause concussion. So someone tell me how that ISN'T a deliberate attack? I am outraged as can be hearing about this, how are the Australians and NATO not raising hell over this incident? Maybe I'm over reacting but it sure looks like the Chinese were trying to hurt those Australian divers and that is NOT cool. Someone please explain how this isn't at least drawing more attention? Because I'd really like to know.
It doesn't really matter if it was an act of war, no NATO country won't do anything about it. The west is run by a bunch of woketards and old bought off politicians, and China knows it, hell they own half of them.
@@hughmungus2760Syria is an active warzone with an opposed government… The US isn’t occupying it at all. It’s there to help fight ISIS and prevent the Syrian regime from slaughtering people even more.
Probably doing exactly what they did. The Aussie frigate was immobile and up against a ship with over 4 times the firepower. The captain wasn't going to risk his ship, his crew and the certainty of starting WW3 over that incident.
@@mrvwbug4423 This is why bullies get away with it. When you fear the consequences for standing up for yourself then you'll keep getting bullied. This is how China operates now days. Because they know Western nations fear conflict more than they desire to enforce international laws. China will continue to do whatever it wants with little consequences as long as our countries are too scared to do anything about it. I get the reasoning of not starting a conflict. But what they just did was like letting a man come up to your wife and beat her in front of you and you did nothing for fear of what the perpetrator might do.
PLAAN using its active sonor on our Navy divers was absolutely disgusting behaviour and i hope this makes the wests navy's realise this danger the Chinese ccp pose to the world!
There's no such thing as PLAAN or CCP. Just as there was no attack on our RAN divers. This was made up by the hawks in Canberra to try to undermine Albo's mission to China.
It's to be expected from the Pandaren. I don't know why every keeps having surprised pikachu faces with those idiots. And its not the CCP, its the Nation (the people) as a whole. Change the government, they are going to act the same unless the rehaul their whole culture.
What country helps warships went into contested waters without invitation? Must be a very nice one. Yes it's not Japanese eez, it's eez under dispute between China and Japan.
Australian RAAF aircraft have had incidents of PLAN ships using lasers on them. They were in Australian waters in the Arafura Sea when this happened about a year ago. G'day from Brisbane AUS.
Well, if nothing else, I guess we know who's drift net it was. But all things considered, did anyone actually expect anything else from the Chinese Navy? Maybe it's time that other nations begin to lay driftnets in the home waters of the Chinese Navy?
I like the idea one commenter had. Find out the identity of the Chinese captain. Put out an international arrest warrant for him and tell china to extradite. Might as well add the Chinese sonar operator and any anyone in that chain of command. As china will refuse, target those people with nuisance cyber ops or just publish the info and look the other way when independent hackers go to work on them. For operations at sea, don't leave a warship without support. If something like this happens, another ship needs to be able to help and protect them, intercepting any Chinese ships trying to get close. Maybe you could spray the other ship with water or cs. I wonder if the net was really a random encounter or if the Chinese dropped one or few on purpose to do this.
Many members of the Australian public have decided to do their best to not purchase Chinese made objects. It would be seemly for the Australian Government to take away Chinese ownership of Australian land which should never have been sold to China in the first place.
Every country needs to establish a “no approach” radius for PLA vehicles and vessels declare it internationally. Then they need to enforce that radius with defensive first attack protocol. SOP need to be changed to adjust to PLA behavior. But you need to be firm and consistent in your actions so that the boundaries are well understood.
its pretty damning when China treats the australian navy the same way they treat the phillipino navy. They just aren't threatened enough to respect you.
@@hughmungus2760 For China, there is no difference between the Australian Navy and the Philippine Navy. At most, the difference is between annihilation within 1 minute and annihilation within 5 minutes.
@@kevinrich5222The US is much more likely to get involved if China goes to war with Australia than the Philippines. And the communist occupation of Mainland Taiwan doesn't want that.
If the exact same thing happened to a US ship, you can guarantee that the Chinese ship would be a dive wreck by now. Force is the only thing they understand. You can’t reason with them, or ask them to play by the rules. Clearly that’s not working. How many more times do we let these cowboys have a free pass? For all the crap they do, then have have a massive tanty when anyone else does something as offensive as sail through international waters, under freedom of navigation. In waters they have no claim to. Peace through strength.
na, any US surface vessel will probably lose in a close up 1 on 1 shooting match against a sovermeney, US ships suck in surface warfare and are even more outgunned in close-up matches where you're within minimum range of missiles.
I am sure the PLAN ship saw the Australian ship as an intruder, a hostile, unwanted intruder and took deliberate military action. It will happen again so Australia, and all military ships they see as ‘the enemy’, have to be equipped with the needed equipment for appropriate response. Attacking vulnerable divers in the water after being informed of their presence is a bonafide hostile act. The PLAN personnel probably had orders from high up their chain of command and could have acted against their own moral obligation.
Australia should determine a monetary harm amount and then double it, then charge CCP commercial entities in Australia the amount and prevent their continued operations until paid in full. Give the money to the sailors harmed.
I wish that China could be more effectively isolated. Its a serious shame that we're so dependant on them for general consumer goods. Its going to take a decade or two to detox from "Made in China" and it wont be pretty.
Is it normal to let a ship with possible bad intentions get that close to your ship? When the ChiComs attacked with sonar could the Aus. naval ship responded with machine gun fire raking the bridge of the ChiComs?
Right now, communist-occupied Mainland Taiwan isn't at war with Australia. They had no reason to expect hostilities. And there is a global naval tradition of rendering aid. Hell, even under war this would've been outrageous.
Do you think the captain was asking his new sonarman to show him how efficiently he can prepare to transmit a ping?😂 Seriously though as an Aussie this infuruates me. I am almost tempted to say that we should publicly announce if it happens again we will consider it an act of aggression and return fire. I don't want things to escalate into a war but this is intentionally causing direct harm to citizens of another country if that isn't a line crossed I don't know what is.
In the immediate case the RAN vessel might have considered fires flares and possible popping an RBOC canister above the PLAN ship just to make a point.
Albosleazy is weak though and why china interfered in our election to get him elected, opposition would do something, cut trade even of iron ore and rare earths. take back Darwin port etc.
The chinese ship was likely hoping for a fight. They know they could win against the smaller ship. Probably had intended to take it as a prize. Its not the first time they've tried to take a crewed military craft before.
I have no knowledge regarding naval regulations for situations like this. But lets stick to common sense. As long as China can do actions like this, without experiencing any consequences, China will keep on doing it. This seems to be very clear. In Germany we say, someone who behaves like China does need a "Schuß vor den Bug". This means litteraly a "shot in front of the bow". The bottomline is, you have to force China. Otherwise they will continue harming ships and their crews. The question is, what kind of force should one apply to stop China? What can practically be done out on the high seas? Shooting at a Chinese ship? Would this escalate into something we don`t want to happen? China is doing this "low-intensity-warfare" in many ways for a couple of years now. And all suffering nations doesn`t have found an appropriate answer yet. But getting your ass kicked again and again, could not be the answer. It is time to draw a line by saying: "If you (China) go on endangering and harming our crews and ships, we will stop you, even with military force." Because I think, this is the only thing that China will listen to. As long as they do not get a bloody nose, they will carry on. And they have proven this again and again.
I find it a bit of a double standard that you are fully against Li-ion batteries for cars but are full support of it for submarines especially when the fire hazard inside a submerged submarine is far more dangerous
to be fair, due to hydrogen production with most battery reactions, they all have fire hazards in a sub, the real issues are other things like energy density and MJ/kg kind of things. and as I joked elsewhere, if lithium was "that good" then why bother with a generator or reactor on a sub, just charge up in port and go from there, lol. while lithium is better than most other batteries, it's not the cure-all energy source some think it is.
Because statistically cars are fucking dangerous. It's astounding they're still legal at all considering how deadly they are, add batteries to that and you're just adding fuel to the fire so to speak.
Really appreciate your program. The International Community must resolve that every incident leads to a 1% increase in Tarriffs on goods and services from a belligerent country. Free Trade be damned.
My ship was tied up beside the wharf at a US base. The US ship on the other side of the wharf, turned on its' sonar when I was down in our sonar space bleeding air out of the sonar dome! It was incredibly uncomfortable, just hitting the side of our ship! 🤬
Because it was an incident that only involved a few sailors, I don't see that they'll do anything to change. You'd have to tie this into something that would hit them where they would care-their wallet. How? No idea. Make it so that continued incursions actually hurts. Whether it's economic, political, naval...
I am a little confused (not versed in the subject) as to how, what the Chinese did to the Aussie Sailors was not construed as an attack upon the Aussie ship ?
the same way US drone attacks on civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't considered warcrimes. Because a powerful government said so. It really must suck when you're on the receiving end of that dynamic huh?
Because our prime minister is desperate to maintain relations with China. Even if it means refusing to bring up an obvious casus belli with their leadership when given a massive opportunity to do so.
@@hughmungus2760 Why don't you talk about the war crimes Iraq carried out several times over. Including poisoning our troops with oil wells, invading Kuwait, attempting to invade Iran resulting in a very bloody stalemate, experimenting with biological weapons on their own people, and ethnically cleansing the Kurds. All the while purposefully remaining vague about their ability to create WMDs, to the point of even convincing UN inspectors they were non compliant. Iraq was the ultimate self own, probably in all of history but all anyone ever talks about is aMeRiCa bAd, because they have nothing of substance to say.
@@OryxAU Saddam was america's puppet to go after Iran, his actions were fully backed by the US when that happened. Just like Israels actions against the Palestinians. The only WMDs found in Iraq were the chemcial shells the US gave them to use against Iran back in the day Funny, the US has no issues with its allies like Zelenski and Netanyahu dropping bombs on their own ethnic minorities. I guess the US is very flip floppy about who it considers a warcriminal and who's just 'exercising their right to self defense'
At what point are we going to stop rolling over to the PLA If this was in any country where it was one person with the intent and had harmed someome tbey would be charged and put away but noooo we just give them som harsh words
Share the hell out of this. Most Australians aren’t aware these events take place, or aren’t aware of the deteriorating political situation in the pacific and what’s happening in the South China Sea. I’ll be f*cked if it takes an Australian sailor to die for action to be taken
Some trivia: "Toowoomba" is pronounced t'woomba by the locals, with a gutteral sound to the "oo" - can't think of an American English word with the equivalent sound. I know this because I like to visit the city with this name 😊
The US would have opened fire. Australia, which doesn't get tough unless a journalist wants to visit a mosque, should, I agree with the comments, should enforce minimum safe distance rules. But the problem is the same. Deterrence comes from willingness to fight, not just weapons.
It would seem that when a countries ship's presence is not enough to deter the bad actors, like the Chinese, then you need to use force to get your message across to them. We are so afraid of escalating or provoking the Chinese, and yet, they are not worried about it, until we give them something to worry about.
Why and what is the Australian 🇦🇺 warship doing near its biggest trading partner doorsteps? Is it on a friendly call? How would the Australians react if China were to sent its sub, warship and carrrier sailiing near canberra and Sydney water?
Someone is going to have to grow the balls to meet their hostile belligerence with overwhelming force. The reason they keep increasing their hostility is due to the timidity displayed by the countries they harass
Man, this war is coming, no doubt about it. I hope I'm dead by that time, or at least able to have a Victory Garden, if the country side isn't glowing from radiation.
@hughmungus2760 How you gonna sink AUS submarines when you can't leave the South China Sea, nevermind survive in the Straits of Malacca?? Found the military genius, guys, don't worry. This guy is gonna single-handedly make sure we win the war with his vast stores of knowledge and expertise.
@@jamielonsdale3018 Because you have to sail those subs close to chinese ships to actually sink them. Chinese ships are going to have escourts with ASW aircraft.
A lithium battery is way less energy dense and capable of much lower discharge rates than a similar volume of kerosene, liquid hydrogen, or uranium. He wasn't comparing it to other battery types, but to other fuel sources in general. Also be careful to not mix up energy density and specific energy.
you have to consider efficiency too. Battery and electric motor drive trains easily achieves upto 45% energy efficiency while small combustion engines on cars and truck manage about 40% at optimal RPM but regularly only get
Love your pronunciation of HMAS Toowoomba. (two-woom-bar). Our Prime Minister met with Xi shortly after and didn’t mention this. He was bending over backwards to mend trade relations. Blaming the Chinese coercion, tariffs and restrictions on the previous Australian government for his political reasons.
Biden also met with Xi, and if anyone has put China in a tough spot, it's him. Albanese said to find common ground where they can, which is perfectly fine. I personally don't trust CCP, but we don't live in a world that can just live without the resources they control.
The issue is a diplomatic one. China is busy negotiating with Aus at present, so the incident should be used to harm China's negotiations. That is the only and best responce. Any escalation and aggression will harm Aus ability to negotiate.
My question is when is the US or its allies going to put a stop to this? How does an intentional act like this go unchecked? Edit: I know you asked this but I'm just curious how the FVEY countries haven't come together and just said enough and briefed increased measures. I think the "pointing the finger and saying they did a bad" days are over unfortunately.
there isn't much FVEYs can do to china without hurting themselves economically. They certainly don't want to start a war, and theres a finite number of FONOPs you can do in the region before the costs outweigh the benefits. Remember ever time the US sails a destroyer from the west coast to the south china seas, it costs hundreds of millions in fuel and maintenance costs, all to send a message, which gets ignored the moment the US ship goes home.
@@hughmungus2760 More like hundreds of thousands, or maybe millions. Hundreds of millions is getting into the realm of the cost of a whole new ship. It's also a bit of a sunk cost since the US likes to keep its ships out in the water for training and general presence purposes, so even if they weren't conducting FONOPs in the Pacific, they'd be doing something else somewhere else on the high seas. Also, beyond just annoying the Chinese, FONOPs generally force the Chinese to send out ships, which is harder on their economy that on the US. Not saying that the US and allied countries shouldn't look for additional options in showing their displeasure with these antics, but FONOPs will continue to have a use going forward.
You know Peter is in for it when Aaron and Sal both dissect his vids and highlight inaccuracies. The difference between subjact matter experts and academics it would seem.
This why Australia needs more vessels and should stop sending ships by themselves in hostile waters. The Anzac class frigate should had been sailing with atleast 2 other ships
Great work mate. As an Aussie, our Prime Minister was present with the rat Xi when this happened and had the opportunity to let loose on him but our government got no balls
You have no idea what was said or not said but behaving like Dutton with a big mouth in public isn’t the way. Remember, walk (or talk) softly but carry a big stick...we’re buying and developing big sticks with AUKUS. Being a loudmouth without a big stick stops nothing but shows how weak you actually are. (Not meaning you but Australia) Revenge is best served cold is another maxim.
Indulging Stalin with Konigsburg was a tragic mistake, but Putin would never accept a peace deal regarding Ukraine that involved a change to Russian sovereignty over Kaliningrad. The West doesn't have enough leverage. Another warm water prize like Crimea might be enough to make them consider a swap, but they'd have to expect to lose Crimea without a deal. Given the way the counteroffensive has played out, that's clearly not the case right now.
putin would definately lose power and probably lose his life if he signed away Kaliningrad. This russian enclave is actually one of the few places Russia specifically mentions they would use nuclear weapons to defend.
Lithium batteries are the most energy dense and quickly discharging BATTERIES we have, but are FAR behind other sources of energy such as gasoline, diesel, and ethanol. Lithium ion rates in the range of 50 to 260 Wh/kg (Watt*hours per kilogram, depending on design) for energy density. However, this needs to be converted to compare it to liquid fuels, or about 278 Wh pr Mj, to make the range about 0.18 to 0.936 Mj/kg. To compare that to ethanol, at 19.9 MJ/kg, demonstrates how far behind battery technology is from fuels. Gasoline, in comparison, is 45.8, and diesel is 45.3. Lithium ion batteries may be the best battery technology we have, but they are NOT the best energy source we have, but are, far, far from it.
Great video as always Aaron! I think what Peter meant by "Lithium isn't the best chemical for batteries" may have been taken technically to mean that there is just one ion available because of where it sits in the periodic table. If we could use some chemicals with more free ions then that would technically be a "better battery", but only with regard to ions-per-molecule sort of thing.... it sounds like something a chemical engineer might say, but not a "battery engineer", per se.. .Anyways I think that's what he meant, but it threw me off too.
While lithium isn't the be all end all for batteries, Zeihan clearly isn't saying that from the point of view something better will come along, He's saying that oil and gas will always reign supreme. Largely because he's in bed with the petroleum industry.
@@hughmungus2760Battery energy density isn't really rising. Yes, we've found ways to make lithium cells a little smaller, but that generates fraction of a percent gains, not the orders of magnitude needed. And there isn't currently anywhere to go from lithium.
@@CptJistuce battery energy density isn't measured at a chemical level, its measured by gross weight. In which case theres still plenty of room for improvement. Solid state batteries alone could double the energy density of existing batteries by removing the heavy liquid electrolyte
well we had a 1974 Polish made stern trawler as coast guard vessels and we damage HMS Diomede (F16) and HMS Yarmouth (F101) playing bumper ship with Her Majesty's Ship, so maybe the Aussie can Mad Max a ANZAC class, armor up the bow and stern, go play a little bumper ship with the Chinese. So you are saying that Soryu class submarines, Oryu and Toryu are not the first sub to have lithium ion batteries on board? dose that mean that the old closed-cell ventilation system and the VRLA are not Lead Acid batteries.
battery tech is such a fast moving field that peter is already behind the times. Sodium ion solves the resource scarcity issue and emerging tech like sulfur and solid state batteries solves the energy density issue. Meanwhile internal combustion has pretty much reached the thermodynamic limits. You can't really make engines more efficient than they already are without costs going up exponentially for more precise machining.
@@hughmungus2760 thermodynamic limits on engine efficiency are not constrained by machining tolerances. If you don't know anything about ICE just say so.
@@hughmungus2760 and how any of that has to do with scale production? Any of those can scale the anual vehicle production of up to 80 million units per year now
I watched your video a couple of times, carefully. May I know the location where this event happened? "international waters in Japan's economic exclusion zone" does not sufficiently convey the location, or justify your actions. 2:00 look at the map, Japan self-claimed economic exclusion zone is quite large, including disputed Diaoyu Island (China also claims her own, or Senkaku Island claimed by Japan). Part of Japan economic exclusion zone overlapped with China's, you can tell it is very close to China south east coast. China and Japan don't have any bilateral treaty/agreement in economic exclusion zone. If this happened in non-overlapped area, I agree China PLAN and Australia should cooperate, maybe better communicate and avoid similar accident happens. China and Australia were not enemies in past, and don't have to be enemy in the future either. But If this did happened in that overlapped area, things could be very complicated, since PLAN may believe Japan and Australia warships were conducting some military actions against China, specifically in China's economic exclusion zone, then they have right to respond. It is fine if Australian believe they were in "international waters or Japan's economic exclusion zone" and had right to do whatever they need, but just be aware of the risk, since the other side may not agree, and to some extent, you already pulled the trigger. Peace~
Proportional response to protect the lives of the sailors. If the Chinese vessel is refusing to stop transmitting after acknowledging there’s divers in the water (so we know it was intentional that they started active sonar transmissions [which is the Chinese deliberately attacking a foreign, sovereign nation]). First a warning shot over the bow and then defend the crew by neutralizing the threat if the warning doesn’t work
My wife’s cousins husband is in the PLA. Therefore I should maintain a respectful silence… Nah that was SHAMEFUL behaviour. Was this approved strategy or will the captain be harshly penalised for this? Sigh.
Penalized? hahaha in a week from now they will deny it ever happened or say the Aussies were planting some sort of hardware to spy on or disable their ships.
OK hold up, wait a minute. that guy you are disagreeing with is correct about Lithium, It's not a energy dense storage medium and you are very limited in how much power you can produce. just look at electric vehicles compared to combustion engine where the energy density of petroleum where you get 45 mega joules or 12,500 watt hours compared to 200-300 watt hours depending on what anode and cathode combination is used. one is a fraction of the other it's not even a comparison. Batteries full stop are NOT energy dense compared to hydrocarbons or especially something like nuclear.... The science doesn't lie man not sure what else to say. Got a problem with that then take it up with laws of physics not me. EDIT: The only advantage of lithium currently is it produces 0 noise when supplying power but that literally is it as even nuclear reactors hum. But frankly the German hydrogen design is a better approach than Lithium like way better.
This when the PM left the APEC summit and visiting China and he did nothing about it. Didn't even mention it. The Chinese Premier mentioned that he had a heard "A handsome boy" was coming to visit in reference to the PM's visit, then we get deliberately injured divers. I think you're wrong when you say someone will die because of what China's doing. They will have been murdered. By deliberate and/or negligent action which is currently being permitted. But we can't say that because China will become upset and offended. I'm sick of this absolute nonsense.
Honestly, if Ozzy ship was Russian and Chinese ship was American, do you think the American captain would be like: "Ivan is fishing, lets leave him in peace without scaring the fish"...I highly doubt it, considering the tensions between the countries..I think China is on high alert and rightly so.
I think a united and coordinated response from a bunch of Western countries would send the most significant message without resorting to force just yet. Australia, the US, Japan, France, UK, etc. should coordinate some economic or political response at the same time. Even if it just economically hurts them for a few days, or slows things down for a little while, a coordinated response would let them know if they f around with one county, they're going to find out from 10 countries. Each country can also take some action that's below a certain threshold of harm, but together causes more significant damage. A grey zone action times 10 starts turning darker towards black. I guess figuring this out would be hard to do and coordinating ask the other countries interests into a effective action would be like herding cats. The message needs to be loud because the Chinese government and military is so fragmented. Somehow we need to put the great of God in these COs whenever they think about stepping in the grey zone. We should also put the captain and CO (I don't know ranks or organization, never served) on Interpol or something. I guess that's like kicking up one hell of a beaurocratic and geopolitical hornets' nest, I have no idea what the laws and standards are for this sort of thing. But if we keep letting them enlarge the grey zone we'll end up painted into a corner that they chose.
thats assuming you hold economic leverage over china. but in reality its the other way around. Inflation is at an all time high in the west, spooking the markets over a potential trade embargo on china would cause catastrophic volatility which would probably break most western financial institutions. It would also immunise china against future sanctions.
Peter Zeihan is well read but there are a lot of things he's not... He's not a scientist, he's not a chemist, he's not an educated economist but he's smart enough to read expert analysis of others and he has a knack for communicating using words convincingly. There are a lot of geopolitical pundits on UA-cam nowadays that speak convincingly but aren't always true or originate the opinions you hear.
You just treat the Chinese like the romulans: You get on red alert each time they show up, raise shields, ask Worf to lock fasers and photon torpedos and contact star fleet through subspace .
Thank you for flagging some of Zeihan's comments. As you say a fair amount of what he says seems well reasoned and considered. But occasionally the man seems to speak far too casually and with too much confidence concerning future events. Before I heard about these submarine comments, the main thing that ticked me off was some of his China rhetoric. The "collapsing because of the demographic pyramid" stuff is fine, but it's not exactly insightful - my geography teacher was saying the same thing 20 years ago. What got my detector beeping was his comments on the internal state of Chinese intelligence, and how much info gets passed to Xi. Chinese academics that write on the subject of their *own government's* internal interactions sometimes find the system too tangled and byzantine to fully understand, and yet Zeihan somehow has a glass window into Xi's private office? (without, and I'm making an assumption here but I've seen no evidence of it, even being fluent in Chinese). I'm sorry to be uncharitable but I get the impression that a reasonable amount of what he does amounts to international relations cold reading. Also sorry for the rant!
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If we could keep a Forestall Class Carrier like the USS Independence on station for an extra two months during Desert Storm. This was a carrier built in the 50's and 10 years past its designed lifespan. I was on its sister ship the USS Ranger at the time and in my experience I would estimate the endurance of a Forestall Class Carrier to be in the neighborhood of a year before the crew loses the ability to keep up with the maintenance required. A new Nuclear Carrier is probably much longer.
Develop and install an EMP weapon system on board. The Chinese would never see it coming. However the biggest cost would be to “EMP harden” our vessels. I’m a retired electrical engineer.
You said the PLN ship is russian in 04:10, guess it's a little mistake. Well, PLN captain aren't free to decide what to do when approaching a somewhat hostile presence, and Australia atm definitly is. I can't speak for the dude and his reason, but if i had to make any sense of it (because harming divers might not be high on the list of anyone - sailer or politican alike) it'd be that the wohle of western navys are known to use fakes to cover stuff up. And if a ausi captain told me plz don't use sonar, as a chinese captein, i definitly *see* that submarine alongside the 'damaged' ship. I could imagen that there also is a bit of bias in the chinese military - at least the same we'd have with US sailors fantasise about a russian ship doing sneaky things. I think its telling that f.e. the speaker here talk about escalation by China, not realising this is a two-way story. Always hearing the one side make you pretty biased. For every shitty thing a chinese dude did you can come up with a Ausi/US dude doing similar a bit earlier. Going on with this escalation by putting all moralic burden on one side just force the other side to do the same in reverse - and we end up WW3. Just for people being stuck in the bubbles.
As your bog-standard American warmonger, I _want_ to say the response should've been "they directly and intentionally attacked and harmed this ship's sailors. Open fire." Of course that's not proportional or politically rational, but at the same time... god, the Chinese government and military really are only going to keep getting worse as long as the rest of the world keeps tolerating it.
I follow the Philippine Coast Guard on Twitter, and I see these aggressions constantly. Thank-you and we need more reporting about these ongoing aggressions from the Chinese Navy and Chinese Coast Guard. They are both culpable.
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China will continue this behavior until we the west (the US up front) stop spinelessly dealing with them. Theyre willing to risk international incidences like this with no real backlash. The people captaining these Chinese vessels need to fear the response their government will have to them if they piss us off. As an American I dont think we should allow our allies to quietly handle this themselves. The Aussie servicemembers need us to respond their government's hands are a bit tied with China currently.
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Hey quick question as an Aussie
I had a thought that oil rig like structure pegged in our waters as “harbours” to use for hot crewing and replenishment subs and surface craft.
Then the boats don’t have to pull in to rotate as much.
This legal in territory water but EEZ to?
Isn't intentionally injuring military personnel of another country normally considered an act of war, especially when relations are strained?
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
No.
Only considered an act of war when they do it, not when “you” do it, so na, just sit down in the boat.
@@crowe6961no one can take china on. They have most powerful navy out there
Bada bing!
Putting aside the geopolitical ramifications of what I'm about to say, I don't know how you can view an action like this as anything other than the weaponization of the vessel's sonar system. If one country uses an acoustic weapon to cause harm to another country's sailors, that doesn't seem to me to be substantially different from using other weapons to cause harm. Put simply, in a vacuum this seems like an act of war to me. The only reason we are limiting our response would be to avoid the obvious consequences of calling a spade a spade.
Problem to me appears to be that the ship was dead in the water. I'm no sailor so I may be wrong, but engaging an enemy ship while unable to maneuver seems unwise. That may be the reason this obvious act of aggression may not have triggered an immediate response in the same way opening fire would have, which would have put the whole vessel and crew in danger. The captain likely decided this was the lesser of two evils. And in hindsight, a few injured soldiers never really have been a cause for war, so there won't be an aftermath for the PLAN. The Chinese likely calculated exactly like that. They knew there was no possible logical response from the aussie vessel, so they decided to poke them a bit. For what reason? I don't have the slightest idea. Maybe they want others to steer clear of territory they operate in in the future. That would allow them to control movement of foreign vessels to a degree by placing their own in certain areas. Would fit the whole wolf warrior diplomacy approach they have going.
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"Foreign policy doesn't have morals, it has interests." - BeauTFC
As infuriating as it is, morally, to not respond with all the fire and fury a ship can muster, I think you're right that the captain made the best call for the crew and ship as a whole.
That said.. if Australia and its allies don't follow this incident up with foreign policy statements and or sanctions that are as intense as is possibly viable, the PLAN is going to keep pushing things, and historically...messing with naval ships, especially US and allied naval ships...has not gone well for the aggressors.
...and tensions are
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@@i-love-comountains3850 I agree, China has been getting away with its wolf warrior approach for too long. Though it's hard to touch them in any way without shooting yourself in the foot in the process. Tbh, I don't really see too many viable ways to change the situation except for much more drastic measures and calling their bluff. Then again, that may also play right into their hands, especially when it comes to the US as their approach for a long time has been to paint them as imperialistic aggressors, so increasing hostility would play right into china's hand. It's a difficult situation for sure once cost, foreign policy, global economy and the multitude of global crises come into the mix. That's when the life's of a few sailors sadly start getting swept under the rug for the greater good and keeping the status quo intact 😕
I’m fairly certain sound weapons were banned
Yep
The Aussies should've responded according to their rules of engagement. Their divers were deliberately physically injured, probably for life. Go big or go home.
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Yeah, you're under attack, fair game.
Nobody has the balls to stand up to China
Legal, perhaps even a casus belli. But probably unwise ultimately, despite how much it rankles. Honestly, I'm thinking China is actively seeking to bait nations into war at this point, although if it is taken seriously it will hurt them more right now. But if you're going to take it there, you need more than a lone Australian vessel far away from its home port. If this had happened to an Arliegh Burke, a proportionate response would have been to aim the phased arrays right at the bridge. Sadly, the Ausie vessel probably didn't have the capability.
@@DazzleCamo there are cameras onboard of the chinese ship as well. The moment the australian ship fires first, nobody is going to care that china was pinging divers, they'll see videos of an australian ship firing on a chinese ship and the chinese returning fire and blame the australians.
"Aggressive behavior" is an understatement and a half.
This was a deliberate attack on personnel. If any other country had done that to the Chinese, they would be screaming for war.
Yes they would spin it in their favor
It's the Chinese. They would rather try to kill the divers. Then celebrate.
War is coming. Xi Jing Peng is a despot, a deceiver as well as economically incompetent. A Chinese "merchant ship" just dragged its anchor 22km in the gulf of Finland and destroyed underwater cables.
I suspect causing an incident they could use as casus belli is the point
My response to the injuring of divers would be to publicly announce a new standoff safety distance between vessels going forward. If threshold is crossed an aggressive posture would he assumed.
I think a good radio call would be: “Chinese vessel: it is forbidden to approach within 10nm as we have divers in the water. It is forbidden to emit any acoustic energy into the water. For your safety, observe these limits. We cannot guarantee the well-being of any vessel that violates these limits.”
@@shibasurfing so breaking international law. Got it.
@@jamesrowlands8971international laws a joke anyway so why not?
@@shibasurfingbut if China did this they'd be evil. Ok.
I heard that the Australian vessel immediately powered on and left the area, not sure how they did that with the fishing net still there. Was it on a mission or something?
I think nations like Australia need to start enforcing minimum separation ranges (do not approach) for the Chinese navy. Also, return their belligerence, in kind. If they find themselves in distress, ignore them. They can’t be trusted not to cause harm to foreign vessels and sailors.
Couldn’t agree more. Malicious ignorance is the creed of the PLAN.
Not just the navy, but civilian (well, the CCP being what it is, whether they are truly civilian is debatable) fishing boats too, they pretend they don't know who owns waterways, and deliberately fish where they should not be. That is how one of China's fishing boats got itself sunk off the coast of Argentina several years back.
@@johns9652 How the hell did it even end up there?
@@Destroyer_V0 They fished their own seas bare so they trawl the waters of any nation which can't fight back. South American nations have the added benefit where once those waters are barren the resulting refugees are going to rush towards the US.
It would be nice if Australia didn't give the Chinese their Carriers to copy...
When you said ‘Guess what the Chinese ship did?’ I immediately thought ‘Bang away with active sonar to deafen the divers’ l really do hate being right sometimes 😢
you nailed it.
At close distances, "deafen" is the absolute minimum damage you'll do, and frankly about at the bottom of the worries for the divers.
"rupture livers", "cause brain hemorrhage" and the like are much more immediate concerns. Liver tissue is inelastic; while things like muscle can stretch and compress to allow the sonic wave to pass through, the liver cannot. A ruptured liver is an immediately life-threatening injury, usually fatal.
@@bronco5334 good point, and thanks for the info, it’s much appreciated 👍Of course this makes what the Chinese vessel did even worse.
I bet your fun being around. Someone who continually Brags about themselves, what fun.🫣
@@joeybobbie1 TAKE YOUR MEDS
I'd say the "net" was a Chinese trap (I've recently heard that the Chinese are using these near Vietnam!), so they propably hurt the Aussies twice, firstly by disabling their ship and then by harming their divers!
I'm a Filipino and the hostile behavior of the PLAN in the world's seas is inexcusable. They know no common decency and show no remorse in their actions. I don't know what kind of retribution can be exacted upon them but they need to be put in check somehow.
I can only think of investment in defense capability. But it means a sacrifice and a great determination to avoid corruption.
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@@colinlee9678 I'm referring to the general behavior of the PLAN in the world's seas. If you're referring to the West Philippine Sea specifically, you might be right but then that means The Republic of China should own it.
@@colinlee9678 China has never owned these territories.
@@colinlee9678 Red China has never and will never own the sovereign nation of the ROC. Go back to your opium pipe and dream again, wumao!
Them using sonar on the divers is so messed up. That’s a deliberate attack since they made no effort to really render aid. Hope those drivers are okay. The next step is not gonna be pretty
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@@peterseth3296 Stfu, if you have proof, go to international court and make a trial, Otherwise your Heresay and opinions mean nothing.
Classic whataboutism
@@peterseth3296 Got an issue then prove your claims, otherwise your just some dude upset with something out of your control that you can't fix yet you act like your comments make a difference because you lack the guise to actually make a case.
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I am illiterate of navy regulations for such scenarios but if a captain of a ship has his crew in mortal danger by a deliberate malicious activity, doesn’t he have a right to self defence? What if the divers emerge from the ocean dead? Would he then be justified to fire against the Chinese ship?
Yes but no one wants war with China yet
Morally, I think he would be within his rights to make the offending ship go bye-bye. Whether that's the right thing to do, given the totality of circumstances? /shrug
@@ts757arseindicted the Chinese captain on gross indifferent attempt homicide charges. Invite him to defend himself he won't. Convict in absence. Issue the arrest warrant..
Makes it hard for that ship with that captain to make a port of call to a neutral nation..
Slap on the risk? Yep. But there will be a lot of places that Chinese captain won't be able to go.
It would be too late by then.
@@Jonathan-jp4zz In Japan's EEZ???
As a Royal Australian Navy veteran, I am appalled at how our government our handling this. Our spineless PM has pretty much fobbed it off to appease his chinese mates.
Your country putting citizens in camps for a virus that had a 99.99%+ survival rate should have been a clue your government is no friend of the citizen.
Its because half of australia's government, her neighbors and china's neighbors still kneels and begs for money from china regardless, the only time they'll change or stop doing so is when pacific ocean finally caught on fire from the "new cold war"
What an idiotic comment. The Chinese govt aren't intimidated by bluster or aggressive rhetoric; when they use it, it is primarily to generate effects upon domestic audiences. They know well enough their own strength. They want the world, and particularly the region, to believe that China's strength is even greater still. It would play entirely to their advantage for Australia to shout invective and make demands, only to be ignored or dismissed (see how effective threats to 'shirt-front' Putin were at reigning in his violent tendencies). So instead, Albanese used discipline and restraint (not derailing a key ally's diplomatic efforts to reduce the likelihood of a major war in our neighborhood), coupled with steadfast resolve. We confirm their violation, we communicate our position, we make it public. Even though they won't listen - they aren't the target audience - that would be the other nations suffering Chinese violations. These transgressions are fuel for the development of regional co-operative security arrangements. That is where our diplomatic efforts are directed, and where we are in most direct competition, even confrontation, with China. It is also one area in which our status as a middle power can be an advantage over a super-power - small nations are wary of inviting a tiger in for dinner.
And all the while, we remember. And we politely, but firmly, continue to build our collective deterrence.
Rubbish, how well did Scott from Marketing go when angering the Chinese, apart from ruining the wine industry, some fishing industries, it was also grain, the total dollar amount cost our economy billions. How do you plan on telling people who've lost their job, oh it was all worth it because now the Chinese have changed... When nothing changed, the Chinese were as aggro as ever, just some chums in the coalition got to have a hissy fit that cost people their livelihoods. It did nothing.
Just what do you expect him to do, send our ships over and retaliate? China have us over a barrel economically as we export a large amount to them, if that were to stop we'd all be in the sh!t, very quickly. And you can't blame Albo for that predicament, Australia have been exporting primarily to China for decades. As for appeasing his "Chinese mates", you don't know what has been said behind closed doors, at best you are guessing. BTW, before you think I am a Chinese sympathiser, I am far from it, the Chinese Govt are a bunch of pricks that need to be put back in their place, but Australia can't be the ones to do it, I don't think our Allies would be impressed either.
Was it a fishing net? Or, was it a trap like the one that sank their own submarine?
China is Australia's largest 2-way trading partner. Sanctions from Australia would be devastating to China. I say Australia should impose sanctions and let it be known that every hostile act will see the sanctions become more severe.
Correction: We are now 8th on the list. We export 142 billion USD to them while China exports 78 billion USD to us (us as in us Australians). Meanwhile, their export to the USA is 581.7 billion usd and they import 177.6 billion usd from the USA. This means they are making way more money exporting garbage to the USA than they do to Australia. The only way we can conceivably hurt them would be limiting our export of iron to them because they lack that, however, it would hurt us more in the long term because they represent OUR largest trading partner.
Well China Sanctioned themselves few years back.
Thought would “teach us a lesson” just screwed themselves
If Australia cut all minerals going to China would stuff Chinese manufacturing industry. But they didn't do it last time China was hostile because Australian mining companies was having a sook. They only see $$$$ they are as bad as the enemy
@@Nathan-ry3yu Easy one. Put export tariffs on all mining exports. Every incident, increase by 10%. Put into law to make it an automatic direct consequence of any aggressive action. Not that the Aussie politicos would ever do that.
They banned all our exports since the start of covid, except for iron ore, so obviously they need that. We might as well have banned that ourselves. That's what we get for letting millions of them come here for the last 20 years, nothing.
Could that not be considered an act of war? The Chinese confirmed they KNEW those divers were in the water and performed actions that were going to injure or kill them anyway... That goes way beyond negligence, that is an intentional and deliberate attempt to cause harm and if that is not a hostile act of war I don't know what is.
Let's be real here, if the roles had been reversed and the Australians had done the exact same thing to the Chinese divers they would cry foul so loud the dead would hear it, and demand reparations at the least or begun aggressive posturing immediately.
This can't be allowed to slide at any rate, if something isn't done they're going to think they can get away with whatever they please and it's only going to escalate.
They're basically getting away with attempted murder; active sonar can get WAY more powerful than 140 decibels which is just the accepted threshold where serious hearing damage will happen. I'm an engineer not a sailor or sonar operator and someone please correct me if I am incorrect, but my understanding is that active sonar can exceed 200 decibels which can rupture internal organs or cause concussion.
So someone tell me how that ISN'T a deliberate attack? I am outraged as can be hearing about this, how are the Australians and NATO not raising hell over this incident?
Maybe I'm over reacting but it sure looks like the Chinese were trying to hurt those Australian divers and that is NOT cool. Someone please explain how this isn't at least drawing more attention? Because I'd really like to know.
Yes im pretty sure aussies could use it as a casus belli
That’s because all of our Leaders are in the Pockets of the Chinese!
yes, that was a deliberate act of war.
It doesn't really matter if it was an act of war, no NATO country won't do anything about it. The west is run by a bunch of woketards and old bought off politicians, and China knows it, hell they own half of them.
PLAN Captain: “Yeah we see your divers, no problem.”
Sonar: THE BRUTOOTH DEVICE IS CONNECTED UH SUCCESSFULLAY
China attacked Australia, maybe not with bombs or bullets, but it was an attack none the less. Australia would have every right to respond with force.
The proper countermeasure is to sink Chinese ships.
They won't because their leadership is weak and they will continue to be weak until it is past the point of no return.
What’s Australia’s best defense against China?
@@MelaninMagdalene start importing from other countries.
@@therealjoshuacaleb4873lol utterly deranged.
The sonar on the divers was a deliberate attack.
How do you respond to a deliberate attack that hurts people?
I don't know, how does Syria respond to US troops occupying 1/3 of their country?
In geopolitics everyone breaks the rules if they're strong enough.
@@hughmungus2760Syria is an active warzone with an opposed government… The US isn’t occupying it at all. It’s there to help fight ISIS and prevent the Syrian regime from slaughtering people even more.
You do what our govt and PM did and tried to brush it under the carpet as not to upset China, utter disgrace
Probably doing exactly what they did. The Aussie frigate was immobile and up against a ship with over 4 times the firepower. The captain wasn't going to risk his ship, his crew and the certainty of starting WW3 over that incident.
@@mrvwbug4423 This is why bullies get away with it. When you fear the consequences for standing up for yourself then you'll keep getting bullied. This is how China operates now days. Because they know Western nations fear conflict more than they desire to enforce international laws. China will continue to do whatever it wants with little consequences as long as our countries are too scared to do anything about it.
I get the reasoning of not starting a conflict. But what they just did was like letting a man come up to your wife and beat her in front of you and you did nothing for fear of what the perpetrator might do.
PLAAN using its active sonor on our Navy divers was absolutely disgusting behaviour and i hope this makes the wests navy's realise this danger the Chinese ccp pose to the world!
There's no such thing as PLAAN or CCP. Just as there was no attack on our RAN divers. This was made up by the hawks in Canberra to try to undermine Albo's mission to China.
Maybe we should be asking why they used their sonar... Blinding yourself with sensationalism you are...
It's to be expected from the Pandaren. I don't know why every keeps having surprised pikachu faces with those idiots. And its not the CCP, its the Nation (the people) as a whole. Change the government, they are going to act the same unless the rehaul their whole culture.
Yes Obiden will send a dementia riddled email to Xi da Pooh
@@rh906 again, there's no such thing as the CCP. Whoever told you there was is your enemy.
"Hey, CIWS guy...I bet you can't write "FU_K OFF" on the side of their bridge with your gun."
-bad man
China needs to re-evaluate their procedures in real international waters before they start something that they can’t finish.
It's foolish to think China would help any other nation unless it benefited them in some way.
Pandaria does what Pandaren want to do. I refuse to acknowledge them as part of humanity since they refuse to act like humans.
@@rh906 hmm yes, that line of thinking clearly isn't going to lead to a species ending nuclear exchange.
What country helps warships went into contested waters without invitation? Must be a very nice one.
Yes it's not Japanese eez, it's eez under dispute between China and Japan.
Australian RAAF aircraft have had incidents of PLAN ships using lasers on them. They were in Australian waters in the Arafura Sea when this happened about a year ago. G'day from Brisbane AUS.
HMAS Toowoomba responded by transiting the Taiwan strait a few days after. Nothing like a bit of regional tension lol
Well if you are the US, you know what a "Proportional Response " is...
100% on the spot. Proportionately in reciprocity.
They will be "repelled"....
how often does chinese divers operate near US warships?
@hughmungus2760
Once a decade? Chinese ships don't sail near US very often.
When your economy is 20x that of the aggressor, the proportional retaliation is likewise 20x that of the initial attack.
Well, if nothing else, I guess we know who's drift net it was.
But all things considered, did anyone actually expect anything else from the Chinese Navy?
Maybe it's time that other nations begin to lay driftnets in the home waters of the Chinese Navy?
We continue to erroneously assume that the communist occupation of Mainland Taiwan is capable of the slightest shred of basic human decency.
I like the idea one commenter had. Find out the identity of the Chinese captain. Put out an international arrest warrant for him and tell china to extradite. Might as well add the Chinese sonar operator and any anyone in that chain of command.
As china will refuse, target those people with nuisance cyber ops or just publish the info and look the other way when independent hackers go to work on them.
For operations at sea, don't leave a warship without support. If something like this happens, another ship needs to be able to help and protect them, intercepting any Chinese ships trying to get close. Maybe you could spray the other ship with water or cs.
I wonder if the net was really a random encounter or if the Chinese dropped one or few on purpose to do this.
Many members of the Australian public have decided to do their best to not purchase Chinese made objects. It would be seemly for the Australian Government to take away Chinese ownership of Australian land which should never have been sold to China in the first place.
Some bad wolf warrior behaviour? What to do? I personally try to buy less chinese goods...
The alternative goods you buy were made with Chinese machine tools.
Every country needs to establish a “no approach” radius for PLA vehicles and vessels declare it internationally.
Then they need to enforce that radius with defensive first attack protocol. SOP need to be changed to adjust to PLA behavior. But you need to be firm and consistent in your actions so that the boundaries are well understood.
Pretty similar to when a J-16 recklessly popped chaff directly in front of a RAAF P-8 causing some of it to be ingested by the engines
its pretty damning when China treats the australian navy the same way they treat the phillipino navy. They just aren't threatened enough to respect you.
@@hughmungus2760 For China, there is no difference between the Australian Navy and the Philippine Navy. At most, the difference is between annihilation within 1 minute and annihilation within 5 minutes.
@@kevinrich5222The US is much more likely to get involved if China goes to war with Australia than the Philippines. And the communist occupation of Mainland Taiwan doesn't want that.
If the exact same thing happened to a US ship, you can guarantee that the Chinese ship would be a dive wreck by now. Force is the only thing they understand. You can’t reason with them, or ask them to play by the rules. Clearly that’s not working. How many more times do we let these cowboys have a free pass? For all the crap they do, then have have a massive tanty when anyone else does something as offensive as sail through international waters, under freedom of navigation. In waters they have no claim to. Peace through strength.
With our current "commander in chief" - suuuure.
Biden would never hurt his owners
When the CCP has bought and paid for the American "president"🤣? Good luck with that.
na, any US surface vessel will probably lose in a close up 1 on 1 shooting match against a sovermeney, US ships suck in surface warfare and are even more outgunned in close-up matches where you're within minimum range of missiles.
Na the US 30 year old rust buckets would get sunk
Can't do it again if stuck in the mud at bottom of the pacific
I am sure the PLAN ship saw the Australian ship as an intruder, a hostile, unwanted intruder and took deliberate military action. It will happen again so Australia, and all military ships they see as ‘the enemy’, have to be equipped with the needed equipment for appropriate response. Attacking vulnerable divers in the water after being informed of their presence is a bonafide hostile act. The PLAN personnel probably had orders from high up their chain of command and could have acted against their own moral obligation.
Australia should determine a monetary harm amount and then double it, then charge CCP commercial entities in Australia the amount and prevent their continued operations until paid in full. Give the money to the sailors harmed.
And then you woke up and stopped thinking so childishly
I wish that China could be more effectively isolated. Its a serious shame that we're so dependant on them for general consumer goods. Its going to take a decade or two to detox from "Made in China" and it wont be pretty.
Nice try,wet dreamer 😂
Is it normal to let a ship with possible bad intentions get that close to your ship?
When the ChiComs attacked with sonar could the Aus. naval ship responded with machine gun fire raking the bridge of the ChiComs?
We're supposed to play nice. This kind of thing happens once because it's unthinkable until it does.
The Skipper of the Toowoomba had a disabled vessel. Retaliation would have put his ship and crew in even more danger than they already were.
Right now, communist-occupied Mainland Taiwan isn't at war with Australia. They had no reason to expect hostilities. And there is a global naval tradition of rendering aid.
Hell, even under war this would've been outrageous.
Do you think the captain was asking his new sonarman to show him how efficiently he can prepare to transmit a ping?😂
Seriously though as an Aussie this infuruates me. I am almost tempted to say that we should publicly announce if it happens again we will consider it an act of aggression and return fire. I don't want things to escalate into a war but this is intentionally causing direct harm to citizens of another country if that isn't a line crossed I don't know what is.
In the immediate case the RAN vessel might have considered fires flares and possible popping an RBOC canister above the PLAN ship just to make a point.
Albosleazy is weak though and why china interfered in our election to get him elected, opposition would do something, cut trade even of iron ore and rare earths. take back Darwin port etc.
Discipline is the soul of an army. It makes small numbers formidable; procures success to the weak, and esteem to all.
Sounds like the Australian captain was a little too worried about bridged bridge when he should have been worried about shelling the other bridge
The chinese ship was likely hoping for a fight. They know they could win against the smaller ship. Probably had intended to take it as a prize. Its not the first time they've tried to take a crewed military craft before.
I have no knowledge regarding naval regulations for situations like this. But lets stick to common sense. As long as China can do actions like this, without experiencing any consequences, China will keep on doing it. This seems to be very clear.
In Germany we say, someone who behaves like China does need a "Schuß vor den Bug". This means litteraly a "shot in front of the bow".
The bottomline is, you have to force China. Otherwise they will continue harming ships and their crews.
The question is, what kind of force should one apply to stop China? What can practically be done out on the high seas? Shooting at a Chinese ship? Would this escalate into something we don`t want to happen? China is doing this "low-intensity-warfare" in many ways for a couple of years now. And all suffering nations doesn`t have found an appropriate answer yet. But getting your ass kicked again and again, could not be the answer.
It is time to draw a line by saying: "If you (China) go on endangering and harming our crews and ships, we will stop you, even with military force." Because I think, this is the only thing that China will listen to. As long as they do not get a bloody nose, they will carry on. And they have proven this again and again.
I find it a bit of a double standard that you are fully against Li-ion batteries for cars but are full support of it for submarines especially when the fire hazard inside a submerged submarine is far more dangerous
to be fair, due to hydrogen production with most battery reactions, they all have fire hazards in a sub, the real issues are other things like energy density and MJ/kg kind of things. and as I joked elsewhere, if lithium was "that good" then why bother with a generator or reactor on a sub, just charge up in port and go from there, lol. while lithium is better than most other batteries, it's not the cure-all energy source some think it is.
Because statistically cars are fucking dangerous. It's astounding they're still legal at all considering how deadly they are, add batteries to that and you're just adding fuel to the fire so to speak.
Really appreciate your program. The International Community must resolve that every incident leads to a 1% increase in Tarriffs on goods and services from a belligerent country. Free Trade be damned.
My ship was tied up beside the wharf at a US base. The US ship on the other side of the wharf, turned on its' sonar when I was down in our sonar space bleeding air out of the sonar dome! It was incredibly uncomfortable, just hitting the side of our ship! 🤬
Because it was an incident that only involved a few sailors, I don't see that they'll do anything to change. You'd have to tie this into something that would hit them where they would care-their wallet. How? No idea. Make it so that continued incursions actually hurts. Whether it's economic, political, naval...
I am a little confused (not versed in the subject) as to how, what the Chinese did to the Aussie Sailors was not construed as an attack upon the Aussie ship ?
the same way US drone attacks on civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't considered warcrimes. Because a powerful government said so.
It really must suck when you're on the receiving end of that dynamic huh?
Because our prime minister is desperate to maintain relations with China. Even if it means refusing to bring up an obvious casus belli with their leadership when given a massive opportunity to do so.
你已漏出五毛身份了@@hughmungus2760
@@hughmungus2760 Why don't you talk about the war crimes Iraq carried out several times over. Including poisoning our troops with oil wells, invading Kuwait, attempting to invade Iran resulting in a very bloody stalemate, experimenting with biological weapons on their own people, and ethnically cleansing the Kurds. All the while purposefully remaining vague about their ability to create WMDs, to the point of even convincing UN inspectors they were non compliant. Iraq was the ultimate self own, probably in all of history but all anyone ever talks about is aMeRiCa bAd, because they have nothing of substance to say.
@@OryxAU Saddam was america's puppet to go after Iran, his actions were fully backed by the US when that happened. Just like Israels actions against the Palestinians.
The only WMDs found in Iraq were the chemcial shells the US gave them to use against Iran back in the day
Funny, the US has no issues with its allies like Zelenski and Netanyahu dropping bombs on their own ethnic minorities. I guess the US is very flip floppy about who it considers a warcriminal and who's just 'exercising their right to self defense'
Not a war crime but an act of war.
At what point are we going to stop rolling over to the PLA
If this was in any country where it was one person with the intent and had harmed someome tbey would be charged and put away but noooo we just give them som harsh words
Share the hell out of this. Most Australians aren’t aware these events take place, or aren’t aware of the deteriorating political situation in the pacific and what’s happening in the South China Sea. I’ll be f*cked if it takes an Australian sailor to die for action to be taken
Some trivia: "Toowoomba" is pronounced t'woomba by the locals, with a gutteral sound to the "oo" - can't think of an American English word with the equivalent sound. I know this because I like to visit the city with this name 😊
Try “oomph”.
there are a lot of chinese fishing vessels around the world, it would be a shame if something would happen to those vessels
Pirates that are actually competent, the moment. Surface raiders are back on the menu, boys. Take that junk to the scrappers.
The US would have opened fire. Australia, which doesn't get tough unless a journalist wants to visit a mosque, should, I agree with the comments, should enforce minimum safe distance rules. But the problem is the same. Deterrence comes from willingness to fight, not just weapons.
It would seem that when a countries ship's presence is not enough to deter the bad actors, like the Chinese, then you need to use force to get your message across to them. We are so afraid of escalating or provoking the Chinese, and yet, they are not worried about it, until we give them something to worry about.
Why and what is the Australian 🇦🇺 warship doing near its biggest trading partner doorsteps?
Is it on a friendly call?
How would the Australians react if China were to sent its sub, warship and carrrier sailiing near canberra and Sydney water?
Someone is going to have to grow the balls to meet their hostile belligerence with overwhelming force. The reason they keep increasing their hostility is due to the timidity displayed by the countries they harass
Exactly.👍👍
Man, this war is coming, no doubt about it. I hope I'm dead by that time, or at least able to have a Victory Garden, if the country side isn't glowing from radiation.
Next step? Unrestricted Submarine Warfare.
and when the PLAAF starts sinking your subs? Plausible deniability can no longer be maintained if bodybags on your side start piling up.
@hughmungus2760 How you gonna sink AUS submarines when you can't leave the South China Sea, nevermind survive in the Straits of Malacca?? Found the military genius, guys, don't worry. This guy is gonna single-handedly make sure we win the war with his vast stores of knowledge and expertise.
@@jamielonsdale3018 Because you have to sail those subs close to chinese ships to actually sink them. Chinese ships are going to have escourts with ASW aircraft.
A lithium battery is way less energy dense and capable of much lower discharge rates than a similar volume of kerosene, liquid hydrogen, or uranium. He wasn't comparing it to other battery types, but to other fuel sources in general.
Also be careful to not mix up energy density and specific energy.
you have to consider efficiency too. Battery and electric motor drive trains easily achieves upto 45% energy efficiency while small combustion engines on cars and truck manage about 40% at optimal RPM but regularly only get
Love your pronunciation of HMAS Toowoomba. (two-woom-bar). Our Prime Minister met with Xi shortly after and didn’t mention this. He was bending over backwards to mend trade relations. Blaming the Chinese coercion, tariffs and restrictions on the previous Australian government for his political reasons.
Biden also met with Xi, and if anyone has put China in a tough spot, it's him. Albanese said to find common ground where they can, which is perfectly fine. I personally don't trust CCP, but we don't live in a world that can just live without the resources they control.
The issue is a diplomatic one. China is busy negotiating with Aus at present, so the incident should be used to harm China's negotiations. That is the only and best responce. Any escalation and aggression will harm Aus ability to negotiate.
Off subject, if sonar can cause that much damage to humans, what is it doing to animals in the water?
bad things if they get close.
That’s why Whales and Dolphins keep Beaching themselves.
Like all bullys they are cowards.
They need to be taught a lesson not to do this again.
My question is when is the US or its allies going to put a stop to this? How does an intentional act like this go unchecked?
Edit: I know you asked this but I'm just curious how the FVEY countries haven't come together and just said enough and briefed increased measures. I think the "pointing the finger and saying they did a bad" days are over unfortunately.
Biden is owned by China, it is that simple
They don't have the guts to do anything.
Biden sleep😂
there isn't much FVEYs can do to china without hurting themselves economically. They certainly don't want to start a war, and theres a finite number of FONOPs you can do in the region before the costs outweigh the benefits.
Remember ever time the US sails a destroyer from the west coast to the south china seas, it costs hundreds of millions in fuel and maintenance costs, all to send a message, which gets ignored the moment the US ship goes home.
@@hughmungus2760 More like hundreds of thousands, or maybe millions. Hundreds of millions is getting into the realm of the cost of a whole new ship. It's also a bit of a sunk cost since the US likes to keep its ships out in the water for training and general presence purposes, so even if they weren't conducting FONOPs in the Pacific, they'd be doing something else somewhere else on the high seas.
Also, beyond just annoying the Chinese, FONOPs generally force the Chinese to send out ships, which is harder on their economy that on the US. Not saying that the US and allied countries shouldn't look for additional options in showing their displeasure with these antics, but FONOPs will continue to have a use going forward.
You know Peter is in for it when Aaron and Sal both dissect his vids and highlight inaccuracies. The difference between subjact matter experts and academics it would seem.
A couple of Mark 48s......
And the Chinese wonder why they are disliked so much...
I appreciate their willingness to serve.
This why Australia needs more vessels and should stop sending ships by themselves in hostile waters. The Anzac class frigate should had been sailing with atleast 2 other ships
Great work mate. As an Aussie, our Prime Minister was present with the rat Xi when this happened and had the opportunity to let loose on him but our government got no balls
You have no idea what was said or not said but behaving like Dutton with a big mouth in public isn’t the way.
Remember, walk (or talk) softly but carry a big stick...we’re buying and developing big sticks with AUKUS.
Being a loudmouth without a big stick stops nothing but shows how weak you actually are. (Not meaning you but Australia) Revenge is best served cold is another maxim.
It's an act of war by these megalomaniac chinese
Indulging Stalin with Konigsburg was a tragic mistake, but Putin would never accept a peace deal regarding Ukraine that involved a change to Russian sovereignty over Kaliningrad. The West doesn't have enough leverage. Another warm water prize like Crimea might be enough to make them consider a swap, but they'd have to expect to lose Crimea without a deal. Given the way the counteroffensive has played out, that's clearly not the case right now.
putin would definately lose power and probably lose his life if he signed away Kaliningrad.
This russian enclave is actually one of the few places Russia specifically mentions they would use nuclear weapons to defend.
Lithium batteries are the most energy dense and quickly discharging BATTERIES we have, but are FAR behind other sources of energy such as gasoline, diesel, and ethanol. Lithium ion rates in the range of 50 to 260 Wh/kg (Watt*hours per kilogram, depending on design) for energy density. However, this needs to be converted to compare it to liquid fuels, or about 278 Wh pr Mj, to make the range about 0.18 to 0.936 Mj/kg. To compare that to ethanol, at 19.9 MJ/kg, demonstrates how far behind battery technology is from fuels. Gasoline, in comparison, is 45.8, and diesel is 45.3. Lithium ion batteries may be the best battery technology we have, but they are NOT the best energy source we have, but are, far, far from it.
This is what happens when you let a bully off the hook again and again. The incidents will only get worse as a result.
mongoliod tsina always bad!
Great video as always Aaron! I think what Peter meant by "Lithium isn't the best chemical for batteries" may have been taken technically to mean that there is just one ion available because of where it sits in the periodic table. If we could use some chemicals with more free ions then that would technically be a "better battery", but only with regard to ions-per-molecule sort of thing.... it sounds like something a chemical engineer might say, but not a "battery engineer", per se.. .Anyways I think that's what he meant, but it threw me off too.
While lithium isn't the be all end all for batteries, Zeihan clearly isn't saying that from the point of view something better will come along, He's saying that oil and gas will always reign supreme. Largely because he's in bed with the petroleum industry.
@hughmungus2760 it is genuinely superior tho
@@jamesmandahl444 For now. but not forever. Battery energy density is rising with each generation but oil isn't getting any more energetic
@@hughmungus2760Battery energy density isn't really rising. Yes, we've found ways to make lithium cells a little smaller, but that generates fraction of a percent gains, not the orders of magnitude needed. And there isn't currently anywhere to go from lithium.
@@CptJistuce battery energy density isn't measured at a chemical level, its measured by gross weight. In which case theres still plenty of room for improvement.
Solid state batteries alone could double the energy density of existing batteries by removing the heavy liquid electrolyte
well we had a 1974 Polish made stern trawler as coast guard vessels and we damage HMS Diomede (F16) and HMS Yarmouth (F101) playing bumper ship with Her Majesty's Ship, so maybe the Aussie can Mad Max a ANZAC class, armor up the bow and stern, go play a little bumper ship with the Chinese. So you are saying that Soryu class submarines, Oryu and Toryu are not the first sub to have lithium ion batteries on board? dose that mean that the old closed-cell ventilation system and the VRLA are
not Lead Acid batteries.
I think the point Peter was making is that LiPo is not as good as you think as a replacement for fossil fuels.
About which he is entirely correct.
I rewatched the video, he says all the problem that we know an have solved in batteries, his point was production scale.
battery tech is such a fast moving field that peter is already behind the times. Sodium ion solves the resource scarcity issue and emerging tech like sulfur and solid state batteries solves the energy density issue.
Meanwhile internal combustion has pretty much reached the thermodynamic limits. You can't really make engines more efficient than they already are without costs going up exponentially for more precise machining.
@@hughmungus2760 thermodynamic limits on engine efficiency are not constrained by machining tolerances. If you don't know anything about ICE just say so.
@@hughmungus2760 and how any of that has to do with scale production? Any of those can scale the anual vehicle production of up to 80 million units per year now
@@AlessandroRodriguez Sodium batteries can absolutely scale because there aren't any material bottlenecks.
I watched your video a couple of times, carefully. May I know the location where this event happened? "international waters in Japan's economic exclusion zone" does not sufficiently convey the location, or justify your actions.
2:00 look at the map, Japan self-claimed economic exclusion zone is quite large, including disputed Diaoyu Island (China also claims her own, or Senkaku Island claimed by Japan). Part of Japan economic exclusion zone overlapped with China's, you can tell it is very close to China south east coast. China and Japan don't have any bilateral treaty/agreement in economic exclusion zone. If this happened in non-overlapped area, I agree China PLAN and Australia should cooperate, maybe better communicate and avoid similar accident happens. China and Australia were not enemies in past, and don't have to be enemy in the future either.
But If this did happened in that overlapped area, things could be very complicated, since PLAN may believe Japan and Australia warships were conducting some military actions against China, specifically in China's economic exclusion zone, then they have right to respond. It is fine if Australian believe they were in "international waters or Japan's economic exclusion zone" and had right to do whatever they need, but just be aware of the risk, since the other side may not agree, and to some extent, you already pulled the trigger. Peace~
Proportional response to protect the lives of the sailors. If the Chinese vessel is refusing to stop transmitting after acknowledging there’s divers in the water (so we know it was intentional that they started active sonar transmissions [which is the Chinese deliberately attacking a foreign, sovereign nation]). First a warning shot over the bow and then defend the crew by neutralizing the threat if the warning doesn’t work
I seen president Biden comments ..
President Biden said and I quote
“Jdhhrjdisowmfnfkxoskwkskfj come on man”
My wife’s cousins husband is in the PLA. Therefore I should maintain a respectful silence…
Nah that was SHAMEFUL behaviour. Was this approved strategy or will the captain be harshly penalised for this? Sigh.
Penalized? hahaha in a week from now they will deny it ever happened or say the Aussies were planting some sort of hardware to spy on or disable their ships.
@@TCK-9 I mean yep /:
OK hold up, wait a minute. that guy you are disagreeing with is correct about Lithium, It's not a energy dense storage medium and you are very limited in how much power you can produce. just look at electric vehicles compared to combustion engine where the energy density of petroleum where you get 45 mega joules or 12,500 watt hours compared to 200-300 watt hours depending on what anode and cathode combination is used. one is a fraction of the other it's not even a comparison. Batteries full stop are NOT energy dense compared to hydrocarbons or especially something like nuclear.... The science doesn't lie man not sure what else to say. Got a problem with that then take it up with laws of physics not me.
EDIT: The only advantage of lithium currently is it produces 0 noise when supplying power but that literally is it as even nuclear reactors hum. But frankly the German hydrogen design is a better approach than Lithium like way better.
Wow…I can’t believe the ChiCom ship did that! NO professional Naval officer would ever do that…
There are no professionals in the chinese military. There are no professionals in the chinese government.
Only outsized bullies and tyrants.
This when the PM left the APEC summit and visiting China and he did nothing about it. Didn't even mention it.
The Chinese Premier mentioned that he had a heard "A handsome boy" was coming to visit in reference to the PM's visit, then we get deliberately injured divers.
I think you're wrong when you say someone will die because of what China's doing. They will have been murdered. By deliberate and/or negligent action which is currently being permitted.
But we can't say that because China will become upset and offended. I'm sick of this absolute nonsense.
Proper response would be to have Les Grossman speak with their leader.
Honestly, if Ozzy ship was Russian and Chinese ship was American, do you think the American captain would be like: "Ivan is fishing, lets leave him in peace without scaring the fish"...I highly doubt it, considering the tensions between the countries..I think China is on high alert and rightly so.
I think a united and coordinated response from a bunch of Western countries would send the most significant message without resorting to force just yet. Australia, the US, Japan, France, UK, etc. should coordinate some economic or political response at the same time. Even if it just economically hurts them for a few days, or slows things down for a little while, a coordinated response would let them know if they f around with one county, they're going to find out from 10 countries. Each country can also take some action that's below a certain threshold of harm, but together causes more significant damage. A grey zone action times 10 starts turning darker towards black. I guess figuring this out would be hard to do and coordinating ask the other countries interests into a effective action would be like herding cats. The message needs to be loud because the Chinese government and military is so fragmented. Somehow we need to put the great of God in these COs whenever they think about stepping in the grey zone.
We should also put the captain and CO (I don't know ranks or organization, never served) on Interpol or something. I guess that's like kicking up one hell of a beaurocratic and geopolitical hornets' nest, I have no idea what the laws and standards are for this sort of thing. But if we keep letting them enlarge the grey zone we'll end up painted into a corner that they chose.
thats assuming you hold economic leverage over china. but in reality its the other way around. Inflation is at an all time high in the west, spooking the markets over a potential trade embargo on china would cause catastrophic volatility which would probably break most western financial institutions.
It would also immunise china against future sanctions.
Peter Zeihan is well read but there are a lot of things he's not... He's not a scientist, he's not a chemist, he's not an educated economist but he's smart enough to read expert analysis of others and he has a knack for communicating using words convincingly.
There are a lot of geopolitical pundits on UA-cam nowadays that speak convincingly but aren't always true or originate the opinions you hear.
You just treat the Chinese like the romulans: You get on red alert each time they show up, raise shields, ask Worf to lock fasers and photon torpedos and contact star fleet through subspace .
Thank you for flagging some of Zeihan's comments. As you say a fair amount of what he says seems well reasoned and considered. But occasionally the man seems to speak far too casually and with too much confidence concerning future events.
Before I heard about these submarine comments, the main thing that ticked me off was some of his China rhetoric. The "collapsing because of the demographic pyramid" stuff is fine, but it's not exactly insightful - my geography teacher was saying the same thing 20 years ago. What got my detector beeping was his comments on the internal state of Chinese intelligence, and how much info gets passed to Xi.
Chinese academics that write on the subject of their *own government's* internal interactions sometimes find the system too tangled and byzantine to fully understand, and yet Zeihan somehow has a glass window into Xi's private office? (without, and I'm making an assumption here but I've seen no evidence of it, even being fluent in Chinese).
I'm sorry to be uncharitable but I get the impression that a reasonable amount of what he does amounts to international relations cold reading. Also sorry for the rant!
Love what you are doing man! Thats an order! But I also love what you are doing! Stay consistent, you are one of my inspirations!
Australia should stop all trades with China 🎉🎉🎉
Australia Navy ships should all stationed in south China sea😅😅😅
To protect their shipping lanes.
Funny is Australian wanted to trades with CHINA 😮😮😮
If we could keep a Forestall Class Carrier like the USS Independence on station for an extra two months during Desert Storm.
This was a carrier built in the 50's and 10 years past its designed lifespan.
I was on its sister ship the USS Ranger at the time and in my experience I would estimate the endurance of a Forestall Class Carrier to be in the neighborhood of a year before the crew loses the ability to keep up with the maintenance required.
A new Nuclear Carrier is probably much longer.
Develop and install an EMP weapon system on board. The Chinese would never see it coming. However the biggest cost would be to “EMP harden” our vessels. I’m a retired electrical engineer.
They can stay at sea for years unless major repairs are needed. The crew rotates out. The ship usually stays in service for years
You said the PLN ship is russian in 04:10, guess it's a little mistake.
Well, PLN captain aren't free to decide what to do when approaching a somewhat hostile presence, and Australia atm definitly is.
I can't speak for the dude and his reason, but if i had to make any sense of it (because harming divers might not be high on the list of anyone - sailer or politican alike) it'd be that the wohle of western navys are known to use fakes to cover stuff up. And if a ausi captain told me plz don't use sonar, as a chinese captein, i definitly *see* that submarine alongside the 'damaged' ship. I could imagen that there also is a bit of bias in the chinese military - at least the same we'd have with US sailors fantasise about a russian ship doing sneaky things.
I think its telling that f.e. the speaker here talk about escalation by China, not realising this is a two-way story. Always hearing the one side make you pretty biased. For every shitty thing a chinese dude did you can come up with a Ausi/US dude doing similar a bit earlier. Going on with this escalation by putting all moralic burden on one side just force the other side to do the same in reverse - and we end up WW3.
Just for people being stuck in the bubbles.
That Ausi ship has a deck gun, doesn't it?
Yes, and VLS cells etc.
Sovremenny class has a more powerful deck-gun with a large bursting charge and higher fire-rate. RAN wins most fights, but not this one.
As your bog-standard American warmonger, I _want_ to say the response should've been "they directly and intentionally attacked and harmed this ship's sailors. Open fire." Of course that's not proportional or politically rational, but at the same time... god, the Chinese government and military really are only going to keep getting worse as long as the rest of the world keeps tolerating it.
I follow the Philippine Coast Guard on Twitter, and I see these aggressions constantly. Thank-you and we need more reporting about these ongoing aggressions from the Chinese Navy and Chinese Coast Guard. They are both culpable.