So I would love to know everyone’s experiences with Speedpaint (not just 2.0) I had a great time with it - did this clear up any problems for anyone or offer a new perspective? - more so how do people feel about Speedpaint/contrast etc in general?
Just ordered myself a megaset. People I know tried to get me to use Citadel colors, but I just love the dropper bottle design and I never had any issues with your paints. Plus, the mixing balls really help.
I used Speedpaint since 1.0 and I really like them. I tend to use a wet pallet with only a damp sponge as the nature of the paint tends to make them dry out a little too fast for me. If you just do a simple white base coat it's really easy to fix mistakes, and sense I am a rookie painter this helps out a lot.
I love the 1.0 range, but the reactivation is a problem I didnt want - saying a car isnt a boat, is very different to the reactivation problem. Contrast from GW was advertised as a 1 coat solution - and prior to speedpaint 1.0 there hasnt been a reactivation issue (that I'm aware of) with any miniature paint before it, saying a paint 'must be used as advertised' is a strange stance to take. I'm not saying Army Painter 'had' to disclose this as an issue, but I'm very happy the reviewers out there made a big deal about it so people knew what they were buying. I still bought 1.0 and have since bought all of the 2.0 range (excluding most of the colours that already existed in 1.0) I love the range, but I agree the reactivation problem 'is' a problem - I just work around it with varnish.
I'll also add - 1.0 range is my favorite if the reactivation issue didnt exist, it has a much more matt finish and stronger coverage I find which dries smoother. 2.0 I find is 'slightly' weaker coverage and dries more satin, but without the reactivation issue, i still find i prefer it.
I’ve continued to work with speed paints and I’ve been quite strict to follow the intended instructions and I’ve not had any problems, using a product a way it is not intended to be used will always yield problems and various results - I’ve also invested in a few more my end and I continue to have a good time with Speedpaint
A fair review of a good product. I enjoyed the first version of speedpaint and didn’t have many complaints with it overall. The biggest challenge was with the cleanup if you’d gone over a spot and had to paint white back over before applying another speedpaint. In those instances I would sometimes get a bleed effect, such as over red speedpaint, the white becoming pink. However, it wasn’t an issue I felt worth all the ire it seemed to garner, and happily bought the 2.0 mega set to add to my toolkit. I almost never use the speedpaints exclusively but combine them with regular paints and washes. As an additional tool I think they’re a great addition and help me get results I’m happy with faster than I could before.
I think a lot of things were blown out of proportion for the sake of selling drama - still to this day I’m using speedpaints and I’ve not had a problem with any of them, I do exactly the same thing and use them in combination with citadel and ProAcryl and it all works very well together
I just tried out the speed paints this past week and I missed so many of these little details! The small description on the bottle would have been really helpful as well as actually reading more of the pamphlet it came with haha. If only I had this video a week earlier! I came into it it thinking they would be a miracle paint that would make amazing minis, and they are really good, but in the end they are to help you speed up certain processes and the quality will only go so far alone. I still enjoyed using them and plan to try them out more. This was a great review, thank you!
Personally I think they are a good product and there’s a lot of uses for them especially in conjunction with other paint ranges - I have been working behind the scenes and playing around to them and I really appreciate how they work with other paint ranges - it’s the small touches like the additional naming that I really like and also the fancy graphic behind the fantasy names? That’s an indication of the high, mid and low colours it will give you - only just realised that one myself!
For the record, most of the first batch of Mega Sets had labels without the practical names, because it was a last-minute addition. So it might be that you didn't "miss" them as much as having gotten a set mostly without them.
I haven't used the 2.0 speedpaints yet but plan to get some soon but i do very much love using the OG speedpaints since it helped me paint my big pile of shame i have yet to paint lol and imo it's applies more smoothly than other one got paints i've used
This an ace review and some brilliant comments. I was an original adoptee of the v1.0 Speedpaints and I thought they were ace. However I struggled to apply decals over them and started having problems brush painting varnishes on them etc. So I sold up and re-invested in the 'Most Wanted' v2.0 paints. LOVE THEM. They are such an improvement and the new colours look fantastic. They initially have a touch of reactivation like the first paints so glaze blending works really nicely, but then once they have fully cured additional highlights stay bright and brush on varnishes now work. A first class AP product. :)
As I tell everyone I’m still using these and I’ve not had any problems, I think I know why some people experience cracking but untill it happens to me I cant really say. I had a really good time with these paints and I think they are a good product - I think sometimes people just hate on things because others don’t like it and they end up looking for problems instead of looking at the product itself and how it works
Love the company. Haven’t got my hands on any of the product yet. I don’t know which colors I don’t already have in another brand. But can’t stress enough the company is fantastic to follow and I have many friends who love this product
Just because they *intended* it to be a one-coat and done solution, doesn't make that a positive trait. If your paint comes with the restriction that you can't touch other paint to it or layer or highlight or do anything other than brush one coat on, you have designed a *bad paint*. Reactivation wasn't a feature, it was a bug, and 2.0 is an improvement.
@@cat_or_rabbit in some ways, if you take that question to it's extreme. You can't brush isopropyl alcohol on unvarnished acrylic, sure. But barring actively destructive intentions, you can do pretty much whatever you want with acrylic paints once they are dry. The difference is what market or niche you're addressing; wargaming and miniature painting has a wide range of established techniques, and speed paint 1.0 broke the rules of that niche. It added almost nothing in the way of new techniques. Certainly nothing that contrast paint can't do. Which would have been fine if they hadn't also *removed* a bunch of options and techniques.
and don't mistake me; I love AP SpeedPaint and I have the Mega set of the 2.0 and quite a few of the 1.0 as well. They have a ton of great uses, I love the pigments, etc. I'm not trying to say "AP SP 1.0 was bad", I'm saying it had a critical flaw, one that got addressed, and I'm very happy with the new stuff. I use it a lot as a sort of ink through the airbrush, pushing vibrancy and saturating. I also use it with a brush if i'm speedpainting something i don't care to get too crazy with. But yeah. Just because the intention was a one-coat solution doesn't make it a good tool for the market they are trying to address. I'm super glad they did address the problem, cause the 2.0 have a permanent place on my paint rack.
@@Mekhami so I don’t believe there is a perfect paint, every paint is the worst and also the best it just depends on what application you prefer - Citadel straight away asks you to add water to thin your paints to obtain a smooth finish - it’s minor but it’s still an additional step, if Speedpaint isn’t the system for you there will just be others that are, from talking to AP it was suppose to be an enclosed system - granted I don’t think they anticipated the issue - but then again isn’t that an utility issue through misuse?
@@cat_or_rabbit i don't think it's fair to say "the way all other paints in this hobby work" is "misuse". the problem here is a mismatch of expectations. People expected a contrast-like paint that works with their normal tools and their normal techniques, and speedpaint 1.0 released with a totally different set of expectations for how people would use them. And, to be completely frank, army painter got it wrong. you can't just change the way the hobby works because your paint acts a certain way. you have to conform to the hobby to some degree. you can elevate, you can make minor changes, you can add new tools, but you can't just upend the process and call it a feature.
I like this video learned a few new things and I like to use army painter 2.0 speed paints 3 different ways. Number 1 thin coats like a regular paint usually gets good color results not much in the way contrast. Number 2 using it like suggested I find it kinda hard to control where the speed paint goes but I still like using it this way. Number 3 mixing it with regular acrylics to shade the paint in different ways I've got great results so far.
I’ve recently been using the medium to make some amazing glaze effects which I’m a big fan of, I haven’t tried mixing with acrylics yet, but now you mention it!
I like both, Speedpaint and Speedpaint 2.0 I had no issues with the 1.0, it did reactivate if you added certain paints on top, but I could use that to my advantage to blend. Also if I wanted to layer other paints I would just put a varnish down. They did fix the reactivation issue in 2.0 but it does seem a tad bit thicker, and I have gotten a little cracking at times, not fully sure of cause I'd have to experiment a little to see, where 1.0 seems a little smoother in application, but I can layer just fine on the 2.0 with no varnish, and that's not having waited the two hours as ArmyPainter suggests, I believe I have started after 20 min and been fine. Both work great and each has its pros and cons. For me I use 1.0 or 2.0 depending on my painting objective and sometimes I even switch between them on the same project.
Thats a very organised method - I’ve heard a few people have experienced cracking with 2.0 - I’ve been using it a fair bit and aside from some blotchy drying - no problems my end still - j would probably put it down to the paint itself being either inconsistent in some batches or extremely picky with its environment, although untill I experience it myself it’s difficult to comment on why I think this happens.
Cracking is because of your basecoat brand, there is many videos about this, the TLDR is if you use stuff like Vallejo primers then there is zero issues but if you use stuff that has a glossier surface cracking can occur if the humidity and room temperature isn't quite right so I guess a Matt varnish is still needed for some people
Just having a flick through it somes the top videos are ones that try and highlight a problem - however there doing is this stuff over it (especially 1.0 videos) and then pointing out they didn’t get the results they wanted because it hasn’t been used properly
The lake allegory lol. Yeah, people and reviews 🙄 I ordered the skin speedpaints from 2.0 I'm waiting for them to arrive. I like contrast style paints for washes & glazes.
I’ve been really enjoying playing around with these, you can dilute them down to an inch of their lives and make some amazingly coloured glazes and washes - i think what got me was the top videos are ones that all put a negative spin on it and I didn’t really understand why no one seemed to be pointing this out to people
I feel like the 2.0 paints are thicker than the 1.0, though maybe it's just the colours I've used so far. They definitely dry faster, which gives them less time to run down into the crevices, which I think results in a bit more tide marks. On the other hand, when I make a mistake I can quickly wash it away with water without affecting the dry layers underneath, which couldn't be done with 1.0.
2,0 does dry faster as they’ve used a different resin in the mixture - here in the U.K. it’s been fairly warm so my paints have been drying at super speed, overall I think 2.0 is a good step up and where they should of been from the word go
Use the Speedpaint Medium to increase your work time and the runny quality of the paint. The downside to doing this is that you may have to do more coats so it does increase the overall painting time. I've only started working with them but I do enjoy the paints very much. It's a different style of painting for sure.
I find on smaller parts there is literally zero, but bigger areas obviously very noticeable, I do find by applying a thinned out layer over it it hides most of it, but some colours just stain more than others
In this hobby, a paint that reactivates is bad design, even if it's intentional design. Users are right to complain about it, even if their experience counts as misuse, even if there are ways to make the color bleed work in their advantage. Look at Apple's Magic Mouse: they intentionally put the charge port under the mouse, but that means that the mouse can't even be used as a mouse while it's charging. Why does it have to be that way? It doesn't. Users complain about it and Apple doesn't listen. It's really commendable that Army Painter listened, owned up to the problem, and fixed it as fast as they did, their product is better for it and customers love it.
I noticed something about your technique! You start at the bottom which avoids there being a dark pool at the top, exactly what you don't want for lighting effect- nice.
I was happier with 1.0 as a one coat as it was far the best option, 2.0 is more comparable to the other options like citadel or Vallejo. For me that takes it from a must buy to one of the various options
I can see how some of the uniqueness of the system could of been lost, although just because you can doesn’t mean you have too - although something that has been noted that these dry a lot quicker than 1.0
I think you give AP a little too much of a pass. No body used a car like a boat and got mad about it. They used paint like paint and got upset when that particular paint behaved different than the vast majority of other paints, including paints designed to be "one coat and done." So...let's not sugar coat what actually happened. That said, many props to AP for doing the right thing and fixing the issue and coming up with a superior product.
With the video’s I watched I noted quite a few applications that were wrong and then problems were encountered - not only with 1.0 but also 2.0 and I can only really speak for my experiences which have been pretty positive - I understand the paint has a few do’s and don’ts which might not be for everyone but not every paint is the same
I’m pretty new to the hobby and had acquired the 24 speedpaint set (1.0) a while back and haven’t opened them yet. I guess I’ll make the best of them Didn’t really plan on doing anything beyond the one-coat paint and go as they were basically advertised.
I’ve been playing around with more of the Speedpaint 2.0 behind the scenes and I’ve found some great uses for them, if your not planing on adding multiple highlights and techniques etc these paints are perfect.
Even if you operate under the premise that 1.0 was only to be used in a single coat, the reactivation would still be an issue. If you paint outside the lines for whatever reason you can't correct your mistake if the paint is reactivating on you.
Thats a very good point, between varnishing after every section is complete or don’t make a mistake (which is something we all do) I think I’ll pop this question in an email over to AP and see what they come back with - will update once I have a reply
Getting blends with speed paints is amazing! I’ve been getting some really good transitions using the 2.0 stuff and would highly recommend it to anyone
This is the red grass games glass palette - comes in a few sizes too, really nice tool to have - if you did want to invest I would recommend getting something like a glazed tile and seeing if it gives you the results you want first. But I really like it
I have used a few of their Warpaints that have become mainstays in my go to paints and i'm now working through the speed paints which I really like (there's a few of them!)
Ive never used them my self so intrested to have some ones oppinion on them that i speak to about painting. Look forward to see what you use them on and see the results bud.
I do just try and be honest and say what I see with facts - i honestly enjoyed them and I didn’t think I would they cover really well and I’m currently painting up an ork using a combination of paints to see how I can implement them with my current paints.
@@cat_or_rabbit when trying out the AK 3rd gen set, i loved them but i told people the same thing, pick a few up and try them you self as you may not like how the work and cover ect, and now i mix up between the 3rd gens and citadel/gw. I may give them a try out when the niddys are done on somethign new to see if i like them or not.
@@Valhue honestly if you have a range of paints you enjoy and work for you you don’t have to jump ship and replace everything because of the new ‘new’ just cherry pick what works for you
I love the speed paint think there awesome wish I had the new set I like a kid in a candy store with a you can buy all you want! An the reactive problem I don't thunk it's a problem just a little quirk you can play with for different effects honestly I been experimenting with them.
Since you have clearly missed the bleeding obvious problem with speedpaint 1.0: if you needed to fix a mistake, the original colour would bleed through the second layer of paint. It had nothing to do with using it the wrong way or not understanding it was a one-coat solution. It’s about 1.0 not being a practical paint line because everyone makes mistakes which require a bit of repainting and speedpaint 1.0 couldn’t cope with that.
I can't get these paints to not be splotchy. :/ I wanted to like 2.0 since 1.0 was such a slam dunk for me personally. It's just so dang splotchy even after a lot of shaking up
Have you tried adding a little bit of the medium to the paint? Unfortunately much like most speed/contrast esque paints certain colours do seem to be more susceptible to drying smoother and consistent than others across all ranges
Speed Paint 1.0 and 2.0 are and were amazing. When I told @TheArmyPainter that the reviewers they sent to test them would be way too aggressive and try to do shortcuts to provide a video I was completely right. A lot of these "Professional" youtube reviewers did not read the instructions or request usage instructions when supplied for reviews. They just did what ever they did, and never took a good day to let it work. I was super disappointed in the reviewers that didn't allow proper drying, palette usage testing, airbrushing blends, and medium spreading. They just hairdryer cheated and tried painting over a warm/hot model which isn't what the paint is meant for. I did 4500 points worth of sisters of battle models over a weekend and never had a single issue with either version . So, it's really just User error when it comes to the paint. I had to unsubscribe from a lot of click-bait paint tubers. Depressing to see how far the popular have fallen for a clout opinion that wasn't productive and didn't disclose their failure to learn about intended usage.
I think this is something that took me back quite abit - especially when trying to find videos on usage that the top videos were all ones that highlighted problems through misuse and then dramatised it to work for them, it almost became the in thing to ‘find a problem’ rather than look at the actual paints - I say this all the time I’ve had a great time with AP speedpaints and I continue to do so with my existing paint ranges
WELL me at time a look in to one day i get a mega paint set just fore fun it and see what bout in fist plasc see you in nest vid ans may be the co star
It was pretty entertaining seeing GW shills that are incapable of research struggle to use these paints appropriately, I just wish their audience wasn’t so badly influenced by shit opinions
I think a lot of people were looking for a problem through usage, I still 6 months down the line haven’t had a problem with 2.0 and some of them have become my go to paints. I think sometimes people enjoy seeing things fail (not that they did!) for no other reason than to be able to say ‘I told you so’
lemme guess, youve got it for free and a spreadsheet what to say. Its maybe only me, but i want my paints to work. Not to crack the surface of my 15 bucks airbrush premium primer from PA. Thats not individual. The paint is not well engineered. Its broken. I also would say this if army painter sent me the complete box like they did for you.
Nope guessed wrong , I use these along with citadel and I haven’t had a problem with them, this is the only time I’ve worked with army painter, I’m under no obligation to say anything nice about them, but they work for me and I like them. Sorry to hear you’re not having a good time with them
You can canl this a review if you want. I call it a sellout, your spending most of the video defending AP and their poor products. Reactivation was never a feature, what you are refearing to is damage control that happened when they realized people where upset. 2.0 dried out to quickly and cracks, AP is just inferier im afraid. But hey good on you for getting some free stuff.
Well I am sorry you think that way, I had a great time with it and have been using it a lot, your right reactivation wasn’t a feature it was a situation discovered through misuse as I state in the video só o do agree with you there, as for the cracking I haven’t experienced this myself but I know others did - not sure wether this was ever addressed
So I would love to know everyone’s experiences with Speedpaint (not just 2.0) I had a great time with it - did this clear up any problems for anyone or offer a new perspective? - more so how do people feel about Speedpaint/contrast etc in general?
We love a fair review. Thanks for your considerate perspective. We hope you enjoy Speedpaint and what it can add to your hobby!
Just ordered myself a megaset. People I know tried to get me to use Citadel colors, but I just love the dropper bottle design and I never had any issues with your paints. Plus, the mixing balls really help.
I can appreciate an honest business that puts it's customers first. Weird to say that but it's the world we live in.
"We love a fair (paid) review" you mean. Youre paints crack. Fix it. Refund the money.
I used Speedpaint since 1.0 and I really like them. I tend to use a wet pallet with only a damp sponge as the nature of the paint tends to make them dry out a little too fast for me. If you just do a simple white base coat it's really easy to fix mistakes, and sense I am a rookie painter this helps out a lot.
Now the weather is a lot cooler here in the U.K. the drying time doesn’t seem to be as quick - a few drops of medium can also help with working time
I love the 1.0 range, but the reactivation is a problem I didnt want - saying a car isnt a boat, is very different to the reactivation problem.
Contrast from GW was advertised as a 1 coat solution - and prior to speedpaint 1.0 there hasnt been a reactivation issue (that I'm aware of) with any miniature paint before it, saying a paint 'must be used as advertised' is a strange stance to take.
I'm not saying Army Painter 'had' to disclose this as an issue, but I'm very happy the reviewers out there made a big deal about it so people knew what they were buying.
I still bought 1.0 and have since bought all of the 2.0 range (excluding most of the colours that already existed in 1.0) I love the range, but I agree the reactivation problem 'is' a problem - I just work around it with varnish.
I'll also add - 1.0 range is my favorite if the reactivation issue didnt exist, it has a much more matt finish and stronger coverage I find which dries smoother.
2.0 I find is 'slightly' weaker coverage and dries more satin, but without the reactivation issue, i still find i prefer it.
I’ve continued to work with speed paints and I’ve been quite strict to follow the intended instructions and I’ve not had any problems, using a product a way it is not intended to be used will always yield problems and various results - I’ve also invested in a few more my end and I continue to have a good time with Speedpaint
A fair review of a good product. I enjoyed the first version of speedpaint and didn’t have many complaints with it overall. The biggest challenge was with the cleanup if you’d gone over a spot and had to paint white back over before applying another speedpaint. In those instances I would sometimes get a bleed effect, such as over red speedpaint, the white becoming pink.
However, it wasn’t an issue I felt worth all the ire it seemed to garner, and happily bought the 2.0 mega set to add to my toolkit. I almost never use the speedpaints exclusively but combine them with regular paints and washes. As an additional tool I think they’re a great addition and help me get results I’m happy with faster than I could before.
I think a lot of things were blown out of proportion for the sake of selling drama - still to this day I’m using speedpaints and I’ve not had a problem with any of them, I do exactly the same thing and use them in combination with citadel and ProAcryl and it all works very well together
I just tried out the speed paints this past week and I missed so many of these little details! The small description on the bottle would have been really helpful as well as actually reading more of the pamphlet it came with haha. If only I had this video a week earlier!
I came into it it thinking they would be a miracle paint that would make amazing minis, and they are really good, but in the end they are to help you speed up certain processes and the quality will only go so far alone. I still enjoyed using them and plan to try them out more.
This was a great review, thank you!
Personally I think they are a good product and there’s a lot of uses for them especially in conjunction with other paint ranges - I have been working behind the scenes and playing around to them and I really appreciate how they work with other paint ranges - it’s the small touches like the additional naming that I really like and also the fancy graphic behind the fantasy names? That’s an indication of the high, mid and low colours it will give you - only just realised that one myself!
For the record, most of the first batch of Mega Sets had labels without the practical names, because it was a last-minute addition. So it might be that you didn't "miss" them as much as having gotten a set mostly without them.
@@BalooSJ ahhh that’s nice to know! Still I’m glad they did it as it’s a nice little bit of info to have
I haven't used the 2.0 speedpaints yet but plan to get some soon but i do very much love using the OG speedpaints since it helped me paint my big pile of shame i have yet to paint lol and imo it's applies more smoothly than other one got paints i've used
my buddy is exactly the same and it just helps him get stuff done so quickly and to a good standard
This an ace review and some brilliant comments. I was an original adoptee of the v1.0 Speedpaints and I thought they were ace. However I struggled to apply decals over them and started having problems brush painting varnishes on them etc. So I sold up and re-invested in the 'Most Wanted' v2.0 paints. LOVE THEM. They are such an improvement and the new colours look fantastic. They initially have a touch of reactivation like the first paints so glaze blending works really nicely, but then once they have fully cured additional highlights stay bright and brush on varnishes now work. A first class AP product. :)
As I tell everyone I’m still using these and I’ve not had any problems, I think I know why some people experience cracking but untill it happens to me I cant really say. I had a really good time with these paints and I think they are a good product - I think sometimes people just hate on things because others don’t like it and they end up looking for problems instead of looking at the product itself and how it works
Love the company. Haven’t got my hands on any of the product yet. I don’t know which colors I don’t already have in another brand. But can’t stress enough the company is fantastic to follow and I have many friends who love this product
Just because they *intended* it to be a one-coat and done solution, doesn't make that a positive trait. If your paint comes with the restriction that you can't touch other paint to it or layer or highlight or do anything other than brush one coat on, you have designed a *bad paint*. Reactivation wasn't a feature, it was a bug, and 2.0 is an improvement.
Doesn’t every paint come with some form of restriction?
@@cat_or_rabbit in some ways, if you take that question to it's extreme. You can't brush isopropyl alcohol on unvarnished acrylic, sure. But barring actively destructive intentions, you can do pretty much whatever you want with acrylic paints once they are dry.
The difference is what market or niche you're addressing; wargaming and miniature painting has a wide range of established techniques, and speed paint 1.0 broke the rules of that niche. It added almost nothing in the way of new techniques. Certainly nothing that contrast paint can't do. Which would have been fine if they hadn't also *removed* a bunch of options and techniques.
and don't mistake me; I love AP SpeedPaint and I have the Mega set of the 2.0 and quite a few of the 1.0 as well. They have a ton of great uses, I love the pigments, etc. I'm not trying to say "AP SP 1.0 was bad", I'm saying it had a critical flaw, one that got addressed, and I'm very happy with the new stuff. I use it a lot as a sort of ink through the airbrush, pushing vibrancy and saturating. I also use it with a brush if i'm speedpainting something i don't care to get too crazy with.
But yeah. Just because the intention was a one-coat solution doesn't make it a good tool for the market they are trying to address. I'm super glad they did address the problem, cause the 2.0 have a permanent place on my paint rack.
@@Mekhami so I don’t believe there is a perfect paint, every paint is the worst and also the best it just depends on what application you prefer - Citadel straight away asks you to add water to thin your paints to obtain a smooth finish - it’s minor but it’s still an additional step, if Speedpaint isn’t the system for you there will just be others that are, from talking to AP it was suppose to be an enclosed system - granted I don’t think they anticipated the issue - but then again isn’t that an utility issue through misuse?
@@cat_or_rabbit i don't think it's fair to say "the way all other paints in this hobby work" is "misuse". the problem here is a mismatch of expectations. People expected a contrast-like paint that works with their normal tools and their normal techniques, and speedpaint 1.0 released with a totally different set of expectations for how people would use them. And, to be completely frank, army painter got it wrong. you can't just change the way the hobby works because your paint acts a certain way. you have to conform to the hobby to some degree. you can elevate, you can make minor changes, you can add new tools, but you can't just upend the process and call it a feature.
I like this video learned a few new things and I like to use army painter 2.0 speed paints 3 different ways. Number 1 thin coats like a regular paint usually gets good color results not much in the way contrast. Number 2 using it like suggested I find it kinda hard to control where the speed paint goes but I still like using it this way. Number 3 mixing it with regular acrylics to shade the paint in different ways I've got great results so far.
I’ve recently been using the medium to make some amazing glaze effects which I’m a big fan of, I haven’t tried mixing with acrylics yet, but now you mention it!
I like both, Speedpaint and Speedpaint 2.0 I had no issues with the 1.0, it did reactivate if you added certain paints on top, but I could use that to my advantage to blend. Also if I wanted to layer other paints I would just put a varnish down. They did fix the reactivation issue in 2.0 but it does seem a tad bit thicker, and I have gotten a little cracking at times, not fully sure of cause I'd have to experiment a little to see, where 1.0 seems a little smoother in application, but I can layer just fine on the 2.0 with no varnish, and that's not having waited the two hours as ArmyPainter suggests, I believe I have started after 20 min and been fine. Both work great and each has its pros and cons. For me I use 1.0 or 2.0 depending on my painting objective and sometimes I even switch between them on the same project.
Thats a very organised method - I’ve heard a few people have experienced cracking with 2.0 - I’ve been using it a fair bit and aside from some blotchy drying - no problems my end still - j would probably put it down to the paint itself being either inconsistent in some batches or extremely picky with its environment, although untill I experience it myself it’s difficult to comment on why I think this happens.
Cracking is because of your basecoat brand, there is many videos about this, the TLDR is if you use stuff like Vallejo primers then there is zero issues but if you use stuff that has a glossier surface cracking can occur if the humidity and room temperature isn't quite right so I guess a Matt varnish is still needed for some people
Fantastic video, definitely hit the nail on the head!
Just having a flick through it somes the top videos are ones that try and highlight a problem - however there doing is this stuff over it (especially 1.0 videos) and then pointing out they didn’t get the results they wanted because it hasn’t been used properly
The lake allegory lol. Yeah, people and reviews 🙄 I ordered the skin speedpaints from 2.0 I'm waiting for them to arrive. I like contrast style paints for washes & glazes.
I’ve been really enjoying playing around with these, you can dilute them down to an inch of their lives and make some amazingly coloured glazes and washes - i think what got me was the top videos are ones that all put a negative spin on it and I didn’t really understand why no one seemed to be pointing this out to people
I feel like the 2.0 paints are thicker than the 1.0, though maybe it's just the colours I've used so far. They definitely dry faster, which gives them less time to run down into the crevices, which I think results in a bit more tide marks. On the other hand, when I make a mistake I can quickly wash it away with water without affecting the dry layers underneath, which couldn't be done with 1.0.
2,0 does dry faster as they’ve used a different resin in the mixture - here in the U.K. it’s been fairly warm so my paints have been drying at super speed, overall I think 2.0 is a good step up and where they should of been from the word go
Use the Speedpaint Medium to increase your work time and the runny quality of the paint. The downside to doing this is that you may have to do more coats so it does increase the overall painting time. I've only started working with them but I do enjoy the paints very much. It's a different style of painting for sure.
I've been using them for 3 months now and I'm always in a hurry to paint them as they dry so extremely quickly that it's difficult to avoid stains.
I find on smaller parts there is literally zero, but bigger areas obviously very noticeable, I do find by applying a thinned out layer over it it hides most of it, but some colours just stain more than others
In this hobby, a paint that reactivates is bad design, even if it's intentional design. Users are right to complain about it, even if their experience counts as misuse, even if there are ways to make the color bleed work in their advantage. Look at Apple's Magic Mouse: they intentionally put the charge port under the mouse, but that means that the mouse can't even be used as a mouse while it's charging. Why does it have to be that way? It doesn't. Users complain about it and Apple doesn't listen. It's really commendable that Army Painter listened, owned up to the problem, and fixed it as fast as they did, their product is better for it and customers love it.
Well said
I noticed something about your technique! You start at the bottom which avoids there being a dark pool at the top, exactly what you don't want for lighting effect- nice.
I’ve always just worked my way up or I go inside to out as I just find it easier
I was happier with 1.0 as a one coat as it was far the best option, 2.0 is more comparable to the other options like citadel or Vallejo. For me that takes it from a must buy to one of the various options
I can see how some of the uniqueness of the system could of been lost, although just because you can doesn’t mean you have too - although something that has been noted that these dry a lot quicker than 1.0
I think you give AP a little too much of a pass. No body used a car like a boat and got mad about it. They used paint like paint and got upset when that particular paint behaved different than the vast majority of other paints, including paints designed to be "one coat and done." So...let's not sugar coat what actually happened. That said, many props to AP for doing the right thing and fixing the issue and coming up with a superior product.
With the video’s I watched I noted quite a few applications that were wrong and then problems were encountered - not only with 1.0 but also 2.0 and I can only really speak for my experiences which have been pretty positive - I understand the paint has a few do’s and don’ts which might not be for everyone but not every paint is the same
I’m pretty new to the hobby and had acquired the 24 speedpaint set (1.0) a while back and haven’t opened them yet. I guess I’ll make the best of them Didn’t really plan on doing anything beyond the one-coat paint and go as they were basically advertised.
I’ve been playing around with more of the Speedpaint 2.0 behind the scenes and I’ve found some great uses for them, if your not planing on adding multiple highlights and techniques etc these paints are perfect.
Even if you operate under the premise that 1.0 was only to be used in a single coat, the reactivation would still be an issue. If you paint outside the lines for whatever reason you can't correct your mistake if the paint is reactivating on you.
Thats a very good point, between varnishing after every section is complete or don’t make a mistake (which is something we all do) I think I’ll pop this question in an email over to AP and see what they come back with - will update once I have a reply
Never understood the hate on reactivation of 1.0. I use it as a very quick way to wet-blend a smooth transition. Like you said, tools in the toolbox.
Getting blends with speed paints is amazing! I’ve been getting some really good transitions using the 2.0 stuff and would highly recommend it to anyone
I dont think its actually referring ti the peach skin as flesh, but rather its describing the flesh as peachy in color. Hope that helps that bias lol
😂😂😂
What kind of pallete is that, it looks so smooth-almost mirror/glass like and I'm curious about if its easy to get such a tool.
This is the red grass games glass palette - comes in a few sizes too, really nice tool to have - if you did want to invest I would recommend getting something like a glazed tile and seeing if it gives you the results you want first. But I really like it
Love the paint range
I have used a few of their Warpaints that have become mainstays in my go to paints and i'm now working through the speed paints which I really like (there's a few of them!)
Ive never used them my self so intrested to have some ones oppinion on them that i speak to about painting. Look forward to see what you use them on and see the results bud.
I do just try and be honest and say what I see with facts - i honestly enjoyed them and I didn’t think I would they cover really well and I’m currently painting up an ork using a combination of paints to see how I can implement them with my current paints.
@@cat_or_rabbit when trying out the AK 3rd gen set, i loved them but i told people the same thing, pick a few up and try them you self as you may not like how the work and cover ect, and now i mix up between the 3rd gens and citadel/gw. I may give them a try out when the niddys are done on somethign new to see if i like them or not.
@@Valhue honestly if you have a range of paints you enjoy and work for you you don’t have to jump ship and replace everything because of the new ‘new’ just cherry pick what works for you
I love the speed paint think there awesome wish I had the new set I like a kid in a candy store with a you can buy all you want! An the reactive problem I don't thunk it's a problem just a little quirk you can play with for different effects honestly I been experimenting with them.
Have you found any good uses when encountering this? I’d love to see - if you’re on instagram shoot me over some pictures
@@cat_or_rabbit what's your instragam name I can look you up and add you and throw a picture your way
Since you have clearly missed the bleeding obvious problem with speedpaint 1.0: if you needed to fix a mistake, the original colour would bleed through the second layer of paint. It had nothing to do with using it the wrong way or not understanding it was a one-coat solution. It’s about 1.0 not being a practical paint line because everyone makes mistakes which require a bit of repainting and speedpaint 1.0 couldn’t cope with that.
So this was something I hadn’t considered and I have reached out to AP for a response for this. (I will update in the pinned comments when I have one)
I can't get these paints to not be splotchy. :/ I wanted to like 2.0 since 1.0 was such a slam dunk for me personally. It's just so dang splotchy even after a lot of shaking up
Have you tried adding a little bit of the medium to the paint? Unfortunately much like most speed/contrast esque paints certain colours do seem to be more susceptible to drying smoother and consistent than others across all ranges
Where did the mushroom mini come from?
I think that was a freebie from an order I got from epics n stuffs
@@cat_or_rabbit sweet, my wife would love that little guy. I'm going to see if I can find it.
@@kristopherdecker6549 I’ll do one better
www.etsy.com/uk/shop/EpicsNStuffs?section_id=33105362
It’s the botanist
Speed Paint 1.0 and 2.0 are and were amazing. When I told @TheArmyPainter that the reviewers they sent to test them would be way too aggressive and try to do shortcuts to provide a video I was completely right. A lot of these "Professional" youtube reviewers did not read the instructions or request usage instructions when supplied for reviews. They just did what ever they did, and never took a good day to let it work. I was super disappointed in the reviewers that didn't allow proper drying, palette usage testing, airbrushing blends, and medium spreading. They just hairdryer cheated and tried painting over a warm/hot model which isn't what the paint is meant for. I did 4500 points worth of sisters of battle models over a weekend and never had a single issue with either version . So, it's really just User error when it comes to the paint. I had to unsubscribe from a lot of click-bait paint tubers. Depressing to see how far the popular have fallen for a clout opinion that wasn't productive and didn't disclose their failure to learn about intended usage.
I think this is something that took me back quite abit - especially when trying to find videos on usage that the top videos were all ones that highlighted problems through misuse and then dramatised it to work for them, it almost became the in thing to ‘find a problem’ rather than look at the actual paints - I say this all the time I’ve had a great time with AP speedpaints and I continue to do so with my existing paint ranges
What youtubers misussed the speed paints and gave an unfavorable review?
WELL me at time a look in to one day i get a mega paint set just fore fun it and see what bout in fist plasc see you in nest vid ans may be the co star
I think they are good and they have some great uses especially with a current paint range
It was pretty entertaining seeing GW shills that are incapable of research struggle to use these paints appropriately, I just wish their audience wasn’t so badly influenced by shit opinions
I think a lot of people were looking for a problem through usage, I still 6 months down the line haven’t had a problem with 2.0 and some of them have become my go to paints. I think sometimes people enjoy seeing things fail (not that they did!) for no other reason than to be able to say ‘I told you so’
what is said to give a box of colors to someone who has no teeth. lol😅
I dunno, what? 😂
lemme guess, youve got it for free and a spreadsheet what to say. Its maybe only me, but i want my paints to work. Not to crack the surface of my 15 bucks airbrush premium primer from PA. Thats not individual. The paint is not well engineered. Its broken. I also would say this if army painter sent me the complete box like they did for you.
Nope guessed wrong , I use these along with citadel and I haven’t had a problem with them, this is the only time I’ve worked with army painter, I’m under no obligation to say anything nice about them, but they work for me and I like them. Sorry to hear you’re not having a good time with them
You can canl this a review if you want. I call it a sellout, your spending most of the video defending AP and their poor products. Reactivation was never a feature, what you are refearing to is damage control that happened when they realized people where upset. 2.0 dried out to quickly and cracks, AP is just inferier im afraid. But hey good on you for getting some free stuff.
Well I am sorry you think that way, I had a great time with it and have been using it a lot, your right reactivation wasn’t a feature it was a situation discovered through misuse as I state in the video só o do agree with you there, as for the cracking I haven’t experienced this myself but I know others did - not sure wether this was ever addressed