Nah, the Feds 100% fucked this situation up from beginning to end. Dude was a nut, but his "radical" ideology about the government were proven to be spot on in this case.
That was the sad part. Same with Waco. Isolation in fear of the government to only being taken down by the government. Daz, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and live as they want on their land. Absolutely does not right a slaughter of an innocent family. Not sure why Daz keeps saying they were actively in war with our government. Clearly it was the opposite.
Yeah but he wasn’t a nut. He wasn’t a white separatist, he just wanted to be off grid with guns and raise a good Christian family. People reel back at that sentence nowadays because it’s too conservative for their progressive mentality. They can’t imagine someone living that free.
Dave said it perfectly: “it’s not illegal to be a lunatic at the end of the day, to have bizarre beliefs…putting people in danger, breaking laws, complete different stories.” There are ways to sort these things out without killing a child and an unarmed woman holding her baby.
@@pmbbmp Two ATF agents who NEVER met or laid eyes on Randy until THAT day approached RANDY to cut TWO shotguns for them. They showed Randy EXACTLY where to cut the TWO shotguns so that it would definitely be against the law. That’s not exactly “plotting to take over the government” with TWO shotguns you dinghus!!! Nor was he EVER charged with insurrection or treason. If there was evidence of “plotting to take over the government” the government would have surely presented that at trial and charged Randy with those crimes. THAT did NOT happen. He was charged with weapons crimes he had NO PRE DISPOSITION to commit. They told him HOW, WHERE, WHEN, and EVEN PROVIDED THE WEAPONS. THATS called ENTRAPMENT and a jury agreed. The court sent him the wrong court date. Never the less the government AGREED to let him come on THAT day. They NEVER allowed him to make it to THAT day as they had AGREED. Damn you’re so fucking dense. 🤦♂️
@@pmbbmp No issues that are CRIMINAL in nature … they killed the man’s family because they didn’t like him. Period. He broke NO LAW except for the failure to appear- which was the clerks damn fault in the first fucking place. They told him he COULD come to court on the date they sent but they still killed his family anyway.
@@pmbbmp Man ive seen a lot of comments justifying what happened how does it feel bending down to the government and sucking them off? Keep being a sheep buddy.
@@thehousealwayswins8398 Iti s a quote from the 90s PC game "Duke Nukem 3D". The quote as best I can remember it "you gotta love a guy who thinks the ATF is a convenience store"
ATC's green lit me to stop at the ATM at ATF to get an ATG (anti-tank gun) for my ATV. . . . .I can't imagine anywhere else except American where such a phrase might be uttered and no one bats an eyelid at it. Someone get someone else on making the ATF store!!!!
Whether he and his wife were nuts is irrelevant. The ATF and US Marshalls really shit the bed on this. They proved him right and in turn created a distrust for the organization that continues today. I was about 10 when this and shortly after Waco so I've grown up with a strong distrust of the ATF. And in the 30 years since this, they've done nothing to help their image as there's dozens of other cases where they've overstepped and/or really screwed up and people (and their dogs) have been killed.
Ya its indefensible at this point. The atf has even been caught selling guns to criminals in a baffling reversal of roles. Remember operation fast and furious.
@@ImprovmanZero That isn't the issue. The issue is what led to that. As an owner of a protective dog I can definitely understand how it is so hard. Also as someone who worked at a post office I can say if I had a gun on some deliveries, the dog would have got shot.
Daz saying that he doesn't think the police were wrong for shooting a child in the back and an unarmed woman holding an infant because someone sawed off a couple of shotguns is a hell of a stance. Sheesh
"He was a loose cannon" lmao, what are you talking about, the only "crime" he committed was that an ATF informant asked him to saw off 2 shotgun barrels .1 inches below the legal limit. He specifically said he didn't agree with the Aryan Brotherhood and wouldn't join. He was on his own property and was invaded without any warning, his dog, son, and wife were ruthlessly killed by federal agents. Every single federal agent and anyone involved on the government side should have been tried for murder and they are the reason why people distrust the federal government.
What this video refused to acknowledge is Weever refused to cut the shotgun barrels at first, the fed wasnt happy then cut them to a legal length, the fed still wasnt happy so finally cut it too short. They entrapped him just for an excuse to do what they did.
@@unruinable138that wouldn't make sense... cutting the stock off gun isn't illegal... there is a specific reason why short barreled shotguns are illegal.
@@ImprovmanZeroI've been modifying guns for a few years. That isn't true. A Mac-11's barrel isn't much longer than some large caliber revolver pistols. I've personally owned a rifle with a 7 inch barrel.
If there is 1 thing this Texan has learned, it is that the ATF should be permenantly disbanded. They have a very long history of mistakes and violence against US citizens.
Dave....... It's ok to disagree with Daz, stand your ground mate. You often have points that are good but then you kinda timidly step back from when opposed
We had a guy over here who also didn’t go out of his way to hurt anyone. Had radical beliefs. He was on “watch” list. He then went on to kill over 20 people including kids at an Ariana Grande concert. There’s been many similar and then outrage when they do commit the crime. He was a nutcase. Would you let your children go to same church etc as him?
@@officeblokedaz with the way your talking about this case you seem like a nutter, do you want law enforcement to treat your family the way the did his?
@@officeblokedaz so the government couldn’t announce their presence and said “we have the place surrounded come out with ur hands up” or something of the sort instead of immediately killing a dog and a kid that did nothing wrong and then proceed to kill his pregnant wife who did nothing wrong. And the cherry on top is after it’s all over they admit their own negligence by paying off the family. They didn’t even imprison randy weaver on the charges they went there for. He was found innocent of conspiracy but they ended up switching the court date on him without informing him and finding him guilty of failure to appear as well as guilty for sawing the shotgun barrel that they also entrapped him into doing and sentence him to 18 months and a $10,000 fine. Big brother government just killed this mans family because they baited him to saw off a shotgun barrel. Which shouldn’t even be a crime in the first place the NFA enforced by the ATF is more treasonous than randy weaver ever was.
@@MrWrestling86 Completely agreed. I completely dislike his takes often and the way he puts down dave sometimes is weird. Though, you have to understand his background, job etc. Daz is the type of guy to fuck with people for no other reason than a good laugh, which is common in England. And, to a degree, I have a lot of respect for him. I wish I was as care-free and bold as Daz.
Dave & Mike are right on this one… The meaning of don’t tread on me came from governments over stepping their grounds and imposing the will of the government in them.. What did they man or family do to have the government commit Democide
@@officeblokedaz How are we to know that they were planning to kill others….they were never investigated for having plans to kill others…..the only thing that he was accused of was of cutting the barrel of a shotgun to short. And what the story here doesn’t say is that is legal to cut shotguns up to a certain measure….he made the mistake of cutting a quarter of an inch to much. It was entrapment. Yes, he had weird believes of end of times, but here in America , we are supposed to have freedom of believes and religion. Etc. I say supposed because obviously, if the feds want you, they get you, no matter what. And yes it goes against the constitution. This case open the eyes of millions of Americans…..BTW…..yes, there have been cases were the FBI knew that they had plans of mass shooting and did nothing….go figure.
@@officeblokedaz By your logic you can kill anyone that is spewing some stupid shit how he gonna do something stupid while angry or drunk etc. Stop it Daz, just admit it that you are wrong and drop the ego.
@@officeblokedaz there is a longer documentary that shows a lot more facts and better explains the timetable. I know here in Texas what is thought of the ATF especially after Waco. That sniper who played a part in both should not have a badge or be in prison. Just like in Waco this was blown up way out of proportion. But the government went in tactical style when it was never needed and no one would have died. That’s the bottom line that you are not getting. They just wanted to get off the grid. That doesn’t make them White Supremest. And this is for cutting a barrel 1/4 of an inch too short. 1/4 of an inch and not showing up in court the government is going to send tactical agents in camouflage up your property. Shot their dog before announcing themselves, hell that could have been drug dealers trying to take over a property. You are choosing the wrong hill to die on.
@@strider9184 go think wever you want snowflake 😂😂 she was a lose cannon at the end …you mad bc they got clap before they even put their plans in motion..they declared war again our country 😂😂 fuck off with that shit …fuck around and find out and they way they where going the kids had no real future … I will always defend the weak from people like them foreign or domestic
The poor handling of this incident along with the Waco Siege which happened in 1993, just 1 year after this sewed a large amount of mistrust in the U.S. Government that still lasts till this day
@@mikehunt368 and if you do, the government will exterminate you, your dogs, your wife, your kids, and your property....... yeah it's still messed up lol
@@Rlogsdon100same with waco, if they would’ve just fessed up to the crimes it would’ve never happened… we can’t allow people to commit crimes and then run off to mountains so they are “untouchable”…. that’s be rather dangerous. plus, most of the innocent people that died in both cases (more waco) were sacrificed. you can zero trust for the government, that’s your free will.. my only advice is, YOU CANT FIGHT THE US MILITARY, even with 100 guns.
It's really depressing how the US military chalks off their highly trained soldiers and expect them to assimilate back into normal life. I was in Iraq, and when I left the Army, all I got was a half-heartened pension and a "well there you go", and then I was back in civilian life. They really should have a retraining camp for when you exit the military to teach you how to be normal again before you drink yourself to death.
I bet the kinda shit Weaver saw in vietnam (as a Green Beret especially) and the type of stuff he was privy to about the dark inner workings of the gvmnt would blow our minds.
Agreed. My grandpa was a WWII vet and as conservative as they come, but he had so many demons from the war that he drunkenly told me once as a kid, "I can't believe I'm allowed to own a gun still..."
Daz was like "the authorities did nothing wrong" when clearly they did when they were fucking up literally every step of the situation. From the clerical error to the lack of communication among themselves. There was a reason they were acquitted.
I think Randy Weaver and his wife were absolute nut bars, to be clear. I think one thing lost in translation, and why they were able to garner so much sympathy was the fact that during this time frame federal law enforcement was going a little crazy and reacting like a quasi military organization. Americans don't react well to gestapo tactics. Americans also have a 4th amendment right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects. All they had on Randy was the 'suspicion' that he was modifying weapons illegally. When the shooting started it was the marshals office that fired first, killing the dog, and never announced that they were there or for what purpose or in what capacity. The hole thing was a major cluster on the side of the Feds. As for the sniper, he fired two shots striking Randy Weaver in the shoulder and his wife in the head while she was carrying her child. If the sniper was that good of a shot he would have domed Randy not a shoulder shot. It was incredibly reckless to make that shot while she was carrying her child, and it was completely unjustified. And finally, they didn't think the house was so booby trapped that they didn't send in agents to plant cameras or to send an unarmed civilian up to mediate. The whole thing was a clown show.
You and I are almost100% in agreement... I would only say that, after everything, the evidence and unfolding of events prove that they weren't "nut bars", they weren't wrong.. Sadly they were right.. Best wishes friend..✌
@@michaelterry3885 And best wishes to you! I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to meet someone on the internet that uses correct grammar and writes in complete sentences. And you're right in saying that his beliefs in the government were correct. I was mostly referring to his beliefs about religion. Stay strong friend... 👍
I take it you knew them personally to make such a claim or must be a doctor to assume someone isn't all there. Otherwise you just like to slander a family in which a son and mother was murdered by the government.
@@robertlawler1387 Okay Bob, couldn't I use that exact same argument against you? If your standard of qualification is having to know a person directly, then nobody could make judgements about anyone without knowing them personally. I think I'm on fairly solid ground in thinking that it's a bit nutty if someone believes God speaks to them directly.
There was an order given to the FBI snipers to shoot any male holding a rifle, whether they posed a danger or not. This all originated from agents attempting to entrap Weaver on a technicality to blackmail Weaver to use him to get at someone else in his neighborhood. Weaver wasn’t accused of anything before the agents entrapped him.
I'm one of those scary anarcho-commie anitfas and I still get super heated about ruby ridge. I think the weavers ideology was completely reprehensible, but this entire thing was egregious mishandling and out of line tyranny on the part of the feds. I like Daz but he's dead wrong here
They didn't know it was agents when they opened fire and killed the agent. In America if police do not properly identify themselves and you shoot them thinking they're intruders you often won't be charged. It sounds like these guys got a great attorney who argued that angle and got the charge dropped. I'm sure that same reason is why many of the charges were dropped, they didn't identify themselves until they'd already killed two people.
This epic and criminal mishandling of a situation had a direct influence on what happened in Waco soon after. And in the audience at Waco was a guy named Timothy McVeigh. And McVeigh of course took the anger from these occurrences and with Terry Nichols killed 168 innocent men, women and children in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Both of these incidents should be more well known for Americans, it was a clear demonstration of the incompetence of the government in handling situations like these and it only leads to the same radicalism they were trying to prevent.
Unlike Waco, I think this situation was much more one sided against in the government being in the wrong. The guy had a crazy belief but in reality, he didn’t act on anything so we can’t prosecute and basically execute people based on potential threats. Definitely watch list though
Dont you find it a bit odd that most of the ppl that develop a distrust for the gvmnt are ex-military (and usually special forces)? Makes you wonder how they probably know about all the shady shit the gvmnt is involved in. But everybody just writes them off as ‘crazy’ or suffereing from ptsd.
Conspiracy to commit a crime such as treason/insurrection is something that can be preemptively acted on...there's absolutely no need to wait for them to commit a terrorist attack before arresting/charging them. That being said, the government handled this in the worst possible way...
@@John_Redcorn_ No, a lot of people who saw actual atrocities during war don't come home sane. Honestly, they're usually the last people who should be allowed to own guns. Not saying it should be an automatic ban for them, but this is where psychological background checks become important.
@@John_Redcorn_ I think it's more likely that we do terrible things to them and expect terrible things from them and then just shove them back into society afterwards. Many of them can't take the switch back into civilian life. Most just kill themselves, but there's few like this guy who clutch onto the grand conspiracy as a coping mechanism. The biggest sin of the government is that it's doesn't care about you. Neither does the meat grinder. Dealing with your own insignificance is the part that breaks them. There's not some insane grand conspiracy, only a system that acts without thought to you or anyone else.
"Stopped paying taxes to a government they despised" I respect that so much. I wish everyone would just not file taxes one year just for shits and giggles to see what happens lol
The 14 year old didnt know he was shooting at a cop. He was just returning fire at a person who killed his dog. And this was in the middle of nowhere. You would never expect to see militarized police surrounding your property for missing 1 court date.
Your just off on this one Daz. This was a horrific display of terrible police procedure. A family moved to the woods to be left alone and cut a shotgun “too short” and we’re murdered for it. We can have full on assault rifles but cut a barrel on a shotgun less than 12 inches and and it’s a death sentence. Btw disabled vets dont have to pay taxes on their pension. He would of only had to pay property tax which is very low in remote areas. He never declared war that is what the media said. He refused to join the aryans. You are just so far off on this. This man was a war hero who was absolutely ruined by the government
Wow, Daz. You’re dead wrong. They strait-up murdered his wife. You think shooting a woman holding a baby is ‘in the right’?! Crazy or not, she had committed NO crime. Unbelievable
Good point. The wife was guilty of absolutely no crimes whatsoever. Randy was in trapped to commit a crime by a Fed but his wife was completely innocent and they murdered her in Cold blood
@@LiteralCrimeRave the jury disagreed with you clown shoes. A federal agent entrapped him to break a law and three people and a dog died because of that Fed
A couple of points for you. First the sheriffs had been speaking with the family and he was going to go in for his court appearance on this mis-scheduled time when a judge issued an arrest warrant and ordered the sheriffs to act. The sheriffs initiated fire by shooting the dog. The boy seeing his shot dog and men in camo with no sheriffs dept ID, opened fire upon then and the sheriff was killed as was the boy with what was reported as over 20 rounds fired at the child. Second, the reporting back to federal agencies left out the facts of the incident including they had shot a boy and only reported they had a sheriff killed. Acting on this highly incomplete info, a federal judge ordered the house be assaulted and any armed people were to be shot on sight. no attempts at contact or negotiation were attempted and command was very lax at the sight. Not to excuse the man. He was wrong to make the sawed off shotguns and in the normal course of events would have likely paid a fine or gotten a minor jail sentence. It was the Aryan church members who had said they needed to declare war on the US and the ATF agent assumed Mr Weaver was one though it was stated multiple times he disagreed with them on most things. The government made dozens of errors here that multiplied the wrongness of their position to epic proportions that they stood by rather than make any effort to rethink their position. There were so many communication errors and each magnified the problem. A sad day in our history.
I was in high school when this happened, and that's when I learned a couple of important life lessons. First was the utter bias of the media; to wit, suddenly Randy Weaver gained two new first names and became universally known as "White Separatist Randy Weaver." eventually I began to ask myself two questions: first, why don't they ever provide any evidence he was a white separatist? And second, even if true, what the hell does that have to do with the facts of the case? The second lesson I learned is how untrustworthy the government is. They insisted the man was a grave danger to society yet his lawyer secured a Not Guilty verdict without calling a single defense witness. And when it came time to hold the abusive government actors accountable, their criminal cases were removed from state court to federal court where the charges against them were promptly dismissed. Unfortunately things have only become 50 times worse on both counts in the intervening years.
Damn...I am so glad you left America Daz. You don't understand freedom we enjoy. You belong in a country that decides personal beliefs should be regulated. I don't agree with Randy's beliefs, but would die to protect his freedom to have those beliefs.
@@officeblokedaz I'm not going to listen to anything else you have to say. A sniper from the FBI shoots a woman holding her child. He deserves the death penalty. DISBAND THE FBI. They are corrupt to the core.I will never watch this your channel again.
@@officeblokedaz no, thats the difference between us , and even some Americans. I wholeheartedly believe in freedom in all it's forms." Anyone who gives up their freedoms for safety deserves neither." To quote someone who gave up many securities for the freedom we enjoy. The problem we are having now in America is too many people like you have said you know there ought to be a law against that. Putting personal feelings above freedom.
Every person that leaves the US military is “discharged”. Note that he was honorably discharged. It just means he left honorably. Probably fulfilled his contract and didn’t want to re-enlist.
I guess this kind of shows the difference between Americans and Brits. America, with constitutional rights, has a strong distrust of government. It really grew around Vietnam with people realizing that power corrupts, and you can’t always trust what they say. He was crazy, but they shot first, they were the aggressors. A lot of people, especially gun enthusiasts, believe the different departments operate with too much impunity and wield too much power. For example, the FBI was supposed to be temporary, and is still not “officially” a department, and people accuse them of abusing their power or being a weapon for the president to wield.
Fun fact the US Supreme Court is currently in the process of deciding if they should strip the ATF of the power to make laws as they tend to make laws and change those laws to suit their immediate needs. Currently both the Supreme Court and the Congress are leaning away from the ATF.
Yeah it's really annoying this video said that. The weavers never declared war on the US, they just retreated up to their land in nazi country and tried to disassociate from the government. They weren't waging any war. That's really misleading and inaccurate
@@officeblokedaz It is perfectly legal to carry a gun on your person in the US , but apparently she was shot in the head in front of her remaining family members for carrying a harmless baby. Besides, she may have been a little paranoid after the feds shot her little boy in the back while he was running from them. They are portrayed as nutballs but that is mostly propaganda from the government and their media lapdogs.
You should see how hot & bothered the idiot's gotten in past conversations with the blokes when they questioned the efficacies of the covid shot or when Dave questioned the moon landing. Totally brainwashed into the system this one.
Daz misheard the situation. It was the Aryans that declared war on the USA not Wade. They just roped him into their operation against the aryans by getting him to saw off a shotgun and it escalated from there.
It didn't matter what they believed, they didn't attack the government in any way. They still had rights, and their rights were violated. The fact that they carried guns everywhere is irrelevant. It was their legal right to be armed. On top of that they lived in the middle of the woods. Can we say wild life? The boy shot the agent thinking he was a trespasser that killed his dog. The government says a lot of things. It doesn't matter what they say, it is about what they prove. Did they show evidence. Do I like neo nazi's, no, I am black. But we have the right to associate with who we want. If they don't have the right of free association, then I don't either. You can believe what you want as long as you don't violate my rights in the process. You can believe that I don't belong in this world, just as long as you don't take any action in removing me from it. Would I rather you not believe that way, of course. But mind control is not an acceptable concept, despite the teachings of the thought police and cancel culture.
Sometimes Americans forget that they & the British are NOT alike despite sharing a language. This pertains to the mindset held by Daz and some folk from the commonwealth countries like Canada etc. It is during topics like this when you actually realize this fact, no shade against anyone but that's just the facts .
Yes, there's a reason why we fought them off, our cultures split apart hundreds of years ago, only thing in common is the language and some don't even speak English here lol
@@aj897 and if you're a keen observer you'll notice how hard & overt the MSM has been trying to mend that bridge by force feeding Americans British culture like these Royals that they still have over there. Don't fall for it, a land of free people was never a destiny written for Europeans as their elites made sure of that. That's why the obedience & subservience to authority often shows in their worldview every once in a while. That's why the Daz character believes that the agents had a right to do what they did in this video simply because.....you guessed it, they were figures of authority & had to be respected.
@@aj897 fought them off? You mean the Spanish and the French fought them off, you couldn't do anything against the British empire. When they showed up with their navy, you needed compte de Grasse's help to deal with them.
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Yes the American Rebels "fought them off" The French, and Spanish alliance assured victory for the Americans. The French and Spanish intervention made the American rebellion an international conflict and helped Britain to decide the cost of attempting to retain those colonies was not worth the cost, as they had too much to lose elsewhere along with the unpopularity of the war with sizable segments of British society.
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Yes, we fought them off. George Washington fought them off for years, from 1776 to 1778, before the intervention of the French or the Spanish. Cope harder.
In the US it is perfectly legal to defend yourself, even from law enforcement. If they just break onto your property and start shooting without announcing themselves and produce a warrant they are no different than any other armed trespasser. There's been quite a few cases of police being shot during no-knock raids that resulted in no charges, or police shooting innocent people at wrong addresses during no-knock raids and being charged with murder.
I'm a big fan of Daz. I think he's hilarious but he is way off on this one. Those ATF agents slaughtered that family with no remorse. Imagine what kind of animal would shoot an unarmed woman in the head who is holding a 10-month old baby. That is an evil POS that belongs in prison for the rest of his life
They snuck onto the property, and without so much as announcing themselves, shot Sam Weaver's dog. Then had the balls to be surprised when someone started shooting back. I don't care who you are. If you pull that in the backwoods of north Idaho, 10 times out of 10 you'll be sending all future communication via ouija board.
Yeah I need an explanation. I’ll give you an example of someone that was on our watch list here in the uk. He was a radical nutcase very similar to weaver. Had religious beliefs and didn’t trust the government etc. we were “watching” him. Then he killed over 20 innocent people including children at an Ariana grande concert. Should we have done more than just watch him?
@@officeblokedaz How well were you "watching him" for him to be able to go kill people? Pre-crime only exists in the movies. Individual liberty only ends where an other's begins. Weaver was not bothering anyone. Not trusting the government isn't criminal. Yet, they went to his property and executed his dog, son, and wife. Every individual has the duty and right to protect themselves. Including their family and property. Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement is not obligated to protect the people. If they weren't trying to set him up, none of this would've happened. I'm happy to further explain and/or elaborate on anything you need clarified.
In the United States, we have an issue with law enforcement agencies operating outside of the scope of law and outside of the constitution. Average citizens have their constitutional rights violated regularly....But those in positions of authority/power are no subject to those same standards. We have a double standard. And law enforcement keeps getting more militarized every year. They focus more on military style training and equipment than how to defuse stressful situations. Ego, abuse of power/authority, and ignorance rule our agencies here in the usa. I don't think their will be any way to address/fix/alter that moving foward. Sadly, future generations will be subjected to more tyrannical governing than previous generations.
Imagine thinking the law enforcement was in the right on this. Yikes, the guy on the right almost seems too want a minority report situation where law enforcement can determine before a crime has been committed who can be arrested unfairly.
Mind you, this was all over 2 shotguns that had apparently too short of barrels for the government’s liking. Shortening barrels on guns doesn’t make them more deadly. It hurts velocity & range of the gun, making it less effective actually. The government’s argument was that these shotguns were made less effective & therefore should be banned. The illogical thinking by politicians on guns is amazing.
Ruby Ridge and Waco are two incidents that left big black marks on federal law enforcement. No matter how nuts Randy Weaver and David Koresh were, the way it was handled was absolutely bonkers. I guess it was necessary that something like that had to happen to serve as a reminder of how not to act in these situations in the future.
Yeah the police messed up big time, lol I thought daz was joking😂 like there was a dog and a teen shot and killed and daz is like yeah they did a good job 😅
@@shard4756 So you think the Germans did a good job to? You or the government don’t get to just kill people because you don’t like there beliefs or they “offend” you. The irony is hysterical with y’all and the double standards shits ridiculous.
@@joesutherland9354 Lmao the Ruby Ridge inbreds are the Germans in this scenario. Civilians dont get to break the law and shoot at cops and get away with it because theyre white. Just pretend the Ruby Ridge family was black, you would 100% support the FBi then
@@shard4756 nice take nut Job. You agree with the unlawful murder of a 14-year-old child and the abuse of animals. You're a great human being and I would bet money that you're a Democrat
I followed this on TV, when it was happening. Not one time have I seen proof, that he actually declared war on the US. He was entrapped, and that was the biggest reason he was found innocent.
Most comments here are accurate. I just want to add 2 things. I like you Daz, but you are wrong about this. 1, he may have legally avoided paying taxes, by homesteading, and 2, the government said he declared war. When you declare war, you don't stay at home, which is what Randy Weaver did. You attack, which he didn't do.
Nobody was charged with killing the atf agent because they never announced that they were law enforcement. They killed the dog. The shooting of the atf agent was probably deemed self defense, but it seems like the kid was probably the one that killed the atf agent.
I remember this whole episode. The government was crazy. Whoever made these decisions to attack the Weavers should’ve suffered consequences. The US people hated the govt. even more after this.
Like the narrarator said during the video, it was a shit-show from the beginning! Should have never happened the way it did. The FBI to this day says it's one of their biggest mistakes, if not THE biggest. I'm not taking any sides on this, but the Weaver's never hurt anyone before this shitshow started. Yes, they may not have paid their taxes and he didn't show up for a court that they fucked up on, but it should have never come to this. And as for the whole thing that started it, him sawing off the barrels of some shotguns, that's a stupid ass law to begin with! It's my property, I should be able to do whatever I want to it. Now, if he ever used one of them to kill someone, THEN he has broken a law. I'm probably going the watchlist now! LOL
The only good thing about this case was that the US Marshall who opened fire on the dog and 14y/o for no reason other than the dog playfully coming up to him causing them to get noticed was killed. That guy had it f*cking coming.
Shotguns in the US have to have barrels over 18 inches if they have a butt stock. If they are under 18inches they are considered an NFA item which needs special paperwork and a process done by the atf and a tax stamp. The atf had nothing to charge Randy on so they had an agent purposely tell him where to cut the shotgun barrel so it was just under 18 inches(i mean JUST under) so they’d finally have a reason to raid his property. People still distrust the government over how this was handled.
Very interesting. My father was at Ruby Ridge, and I am a former LEO. Understand that when the F B I team shot the wife, they broke the rules of engagement (which were to shoot any “armed” adult. ) The wife was only carrying a baby. So when Daz mentions he is siding with law enforcement, at this point in the video this is what you are agreeing with as far as the teams’ actions. Just saying. Enjoying though, and I am a long-time subscriber. Cheers from Colorado!
Daz you definitely would have hurt a lot of innocent people smh. You don't kill people because of their beliefs. They wasn't hurting anyone. If that was your wife and child I bet you would get it then.
ATFs blunder of an assault on Ruby Ridge. Led to their attempt of redemption for themselves at Waco. Which turned into a disaster as well. Which as a result led to Timothy McVeighs revenge bombing of the ATF building in Oklahoma City.
There are a few great documentaries out there about Ruby Ridge. Probably too much to do a reaction to but you guys should watch a couple of them on your own time. There's one with the oldest daughter that gives a perspective of what was going on in the house during that time. 🍻
The problem is up until law enforcement shot the dog they were the ones to shoot first. The Weavers did nothing but make threats. No action was ever taken by the Weaver’s. The government totally shot his Constitutional Rights in the ass.
According to one of the podcasts I've listened to about this story, the son and Kevin Harris were out hunting for food, since they couldn't leave the property. The dog found the agents hiding in the woods, the agents shot the dog, and never once announced themselves as police. Harris and the son, who were both armed with hunting rifles, thought that the dog was shot by trespassers and the boy returned fire. Even still the agents never announced themselves at police and fired back at Weaver and Harris with a fully auto gun and killed the boy. Like the guy in the video said, you don't have to agree with the beliefs the Weavers held, the federal government botched this whole situation, which is why this story is so important to the Waco fiasco. When Waco happened the ATF was looking for an easy win to make everyone forget about Ruby Ridge, and they somehow made things even worse for themselves.
Bottom line is weaver was minding his own business when agents first killed his dog and his son. Then his wife. A former green beret and service man who caught in nam……WTF
Daz, he didn’t go to war, as you’re saying. Living off the grid and not paying taxes was his war. Certainly not an excuse to slaughter his dog his son and wife. Daz, sounding like an NK leader of sorts. “Against my government in belief?! Slaughter them all!” And victim blaming while making a lot of assumptions. Interesting.
Weaver wasn't an Aryan Nations member, he wasn't 'at war' with the government. He had some strange, end times religious beliefs and believed the government had become despotic and authoritarian. This proved to be true. The Weavers were just living their lives in their little cabin and harming nobody. The government could have just knocked on Weaver's door to talk to him about things, but, as they often did, they went in with guns blazing. To a militarized organization, all things appear aggressive, armed threats. The Weavers carried guns because they believed the government forces a danger, and likely to attack. Again, they were right. Samuel Weaver was just out walking with his dog, when he and the dog were attacked by an armed stranger. He fired in self defense.
the only thing the feds proved was why he didnt trust the government.and the atf instructed him to saw those shotguns knowing that its illegal and didnt tell him my government is disgusting.
How does Daz always manage to have such terrible takes on these topics? The government undoubtedly screwed this up majorly every step of the way; a complete embarrassment.
I'm no expert but from what the video said I would speculate that an agent killed the dog on private property allowimg the owners of the property to legally return fire for self defense. The child was shot and the agent who murdered the child was the one killed during the owners self defense which is probably why they didn't mention who would be charged for the murder of the child and dog. The agents are in the wrong and take all blame for any crimes or deaths that happened on the property. The agents had an illegal search warrant or illegal warrant for his arrest due to the clerical issues and therefore illegal trespassed and assaulted the home. Giving crazy the legal right to defend himself and property.
I remember Geraldo going in with a helicopter. The family was wacky but this situation went so out of control. Feel bad for the kids. Terrible. All of it could have been done differently.
There's a reason the US Constitution only allows citizens born inside the country to hold government positions. To understand the freedoms & rights expressed or enjoyed by the American people you just have to. What do people who've never had such a thing truly understand? Nothing, but they can pretend that they do until moments like this when you actually say to yourself, "jeez, for a moment I actually forgot that he's not an American".
In the US, a sheriff is the TOP law enforcement officer. Above him would be an elected Coroner, then an elected Judge (in his state’s county). A Prosecutor is below a Sheriff. State Police DO NOT out rank him. A Governor or a Sheriff can call out the National Guard to suppress a riot or rebellion. 2X I did that for Pendalton Reformatory riot, and a riot in our city after a police shooting in the 90’s. The city riot we jumped off the truck and everybody scattered like roaches. The Reformatory was more difficult, because we were armed only with sticks and plastic shields!
The kids dog was killed by the feds. The kid didn’t know they were law enforcement and as a result the kid fired on them. They fired back. They relayed the information that a federal agent was killed but did not mention that they killed the kid so when the fbi came in the were under the assumption that the agent was killed by the adults at the cabin. That’s why they went in guns a blazin. The government failed in communications which resulted in their grossly overly aggressive response. No body needed to die.
@@officeblokedaz I’m late to this video and this comment, but you have to stop equating your lifestyle and your “normal” to other people. Carrying a gun when you live in the middle of a forest with dangerous animals is not abnormal in the US or even Canada. If we threw you in the Montana wilderness I’m sure you’d feel more comfortable walking around with a rifle, mate.
Just like a child, you're taking what the narrator said for granted. There's so much stuff the investigation uncovered that federal law enforcement did was wrong. Randy Weaver's wife had a gun in a holster, but her hands were full of her baby, she couldn't pull her gun, she wasn't brandishing, which is the traditional meaning of "being armed", an actual gun in hand. The sniper was only 100 yards away, one of you used to shoot precision rifles, these guys can shoot a fly at that distance with their high magnification scopes. He clearly saw she was unarmed but shot her in the head anyway. He used the Nuremberg Nazi defense, "I was only following orders." These knuckleheads are so brainwashed they'll commit any atrocity as long as they can blame their orders. About her beliefs about the end times, are you suggesting we automatically HAVE to kill people with schizophrenia? It wasn't mentioned in the video that Randy Weaver cut one of the barrels an eighth of an inch too short for legality and the other shotgun barrel was cut a half inch longer than legal requirement, they were still too long to conceal, technically they weren't "sawed off" at all. His son and wife were killed because of an eighth of an inch. Don't forget, he was forced to attend as an informant by the ATF in the first place. Other commenters mentioned that the sun was shot in the back, while running away. Do a little more research before you judge people.
@@officeblokedaz If you live in the mountains of Idaho where there are bears, wolves, and other dangerous animals, you better have a gun on your hip or even, a rifle over your shoulder. Unlike England, there are still dangerous animals here and actual wild lands.
Open carry is completely legal (and "normal") where I live and I used to see dozens of customers come in where I worked wearing handguns and fixed bladed knives and felt very safe around them. Think about it, where do bad guys shoot people? Gun free zones where no one is allowed to have guns. Having a gun in your house is the same as having a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, or a spare tire in your car. You never to have to use it, but it's a good thing to have on hand, in case you do. I promise, a crackhead will get to you faster than the cops can put their donut down to put their car in "Drive".
The police and government were absolutely wrong! Huge human rights violations that caused an absolute uproar in this country and a lot of anti-government sentiment and rightfully so. The government acted like fascists. You can violate people's rights like this and think it's ok.
When the covernment get's involved Things go sideways every time. There is another incident they were way wrong going against the Native americans in South Dakota. They also went after a farmer in North Dakota and killed him and others. Always watch out for the government when they get involved!
It's been stated by many people already, but Daz's take on this is terrible. He's advocating for the government's ability to execute a whole family of people because one member of the family committed a felony, and because the family doesn't trust the government. I'm thankful that Daz doesn't work in law enforcement or hold any sort of policy-making position in the government.
Nah, the Feds 100% fucked this situation up from beginning to end. Dude was a nut, but his "radical" ideology about the government were proven to be spot on in this case.
They quite literally proved his point
That was the sad part. Same with Waco. Isolation in fear of the government to only being taken down by the government.
Daz, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and live as they want on their land. Absolutely does not right a slaughter of an innocent family. Not sure why Daz keeps saying they were actively in war with our government. Clearly it was the opposite.
Plus the whole crux that kicked it off was him selling some sawed offs which was near entrapment engineered by the feds in the first place
I'm pretty sure fbi was on his property in gillie Suits. They shot his dog and son. That's when shit hit the fan.
Yeah but he wasn’t a nut. He wasn’t a white separatist, he just wanted to be off grid with guns and raise a good Christian family. People reel back at that sentence nowadays because it’s too conservative for their progressive mentality. They can’t imagine someone living that free.
Remember kids, if a stranger offers to show you how to turn a shotgun into a sawed off, he might be a FED.
It was only the early 90’s too soon lol
The undercover agent didn't teach him how to do it, they hired him to illegally modify the shotguns.
Literally was in a Facebook group and someone was like anyone selling guns I was like fuck no get out here fed boy
I have 3 SBR's, it's 250 bucks and waiting 9 months.
Not might, IS!
Dave said it perfectly: “it’s not illegal to be a lunatic at the end of the day, to have bizarre beliefs…putting people in danger, breaking laws, complete different stories.” There are ways to sort these things out without killing a child and an unarmed woman holding her baby.
Darned straight Andi. The gov dropped the ball on that one case, well on that one of many.
@@pmbbmp Read and learn who was advocating the over throw of the government. You might be surprised as to who said what.
Factually incorrect.
Randy Weaver was a separatist who just wanted to raise his family out in the bush and the ATF entrapped him.
@@pmbbmp Two ATF agents who NEVER met or laid eyes on Randy until THAT day approached RANDY to cut TWO shotguns for them. They showed Randy EXACTLY where to cut the TWO shotguns so that it would definitely be against the law. That’s not exactly “plotting to take over the government” with TWO shotguns you dinghus!!! Nor was he EVER charged with insurrection or treason. If there was evidence of “plotting to take over the government” the government would have surely presented that at trial and charged Randy with those crimes. THAT did NOT happen. He was charged with weapons crimes he had NO PRE DISPOSITION to commit. They told him HOW, WHERE, WHEN, and EVEN PROVIDED THE WEAPONS. THATS called ENTRAPMENT and a jury agreed. The court sent him the wrong court date. Never the less the government AGREED to let him come on THAT day. They NEVER allowed him to make it to THAT day as they had AGREED. Damn you’re so fucking dense. 🤦♂️
5:10 He was honorably discharged, that means he left the military *without any issues*
@@pmbbmp No issues that are CRIMINAL in nature … they killed the man’s family because they didn’t like him. Period. He broke NO LAW except for the failure to appear- which was the clerks damn fault in the first fucking place. They told him he COULD come to court on the date they sent but they still killed his family anyway.
Factually incorrect.
@@pmbbmp Man ive seen a lot of comments justifying what happened how does it feel bending down to the government and sucking them off? Keep being a sheep buddy.
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a government bureau.
This comment is a gem, and so very true. 😄
@@thehousealwayswins8398 Iti s a quote from the 90s PC game "Duke Nukem 3D". The quote as best I can remember it "you gotta love a guy who thinks the ATF is a convenience store"
Yep. It should just be Firearms-
This store will need to carry fireworks also. Everyone forgets "explosives" is in their name
ATC's green lit me to stop at the ATM at ATF to get an ATG (anti-tank gun) for my ATV. . . . .I can't imagine anywhere else except American where such a phrase might be uttered and no one bats an eyelid at it. Someone get someone else on making the ATF store!!!!
Whether he and his wife were nuts is irrelevant. The ATF and US Marshalls really shit the bed on this. They proved him right and in turn created a distrust for the organization that continues today. I was about 10 when this and shortly after Waco so I've grown up with a strong distrust of the ATF. And in the 30 years since this, they've done nothing to help their image as there's dozens of other cases where they've overstepped and/or really screwed up and people (and their dogs) have been killed.
Ya its indefensible at this point. The atf has even been caught selling guns to criminals in a baffling reversal of roles. Remember operation fast and furious.
what gets me is the post office can safely interact with canines how it is that much harder. Especially when we have animal control tools
@@ImprovmanZero That isn't the issue. The issue is what led to that. As an owner of a protective dog I can definitely understand how it is so hard. Also as someone who worked at a post office I can say if I had a gun on some deliveries, the dog would have got shot.
@@carlcarlson5553 I've had herding dogs so I wouldn't know.
Daz saying that he doesn't think the police were wrong for shooting a child in the back and an unarmed woman holding an infant because someone sawed off a couple of shotguns is a hell of a stance. Sheesh
Definition of stupidity
Ya Daz 100% screwed up on this reaction
Wow, I'm amazed you guys reacted to this. Ruby Ridge caused major trust issues with the government.
And those trust issues are rearing their ugly head again with all the corrupt stuff at the FBI and DOJ right now.
For white people anyway. Everyone else has had a distrust long before that lol
WOW - this is such a trigger to how the FBI is such a disgrace along with WACO Texas! They overstep and cause the issue!
That's a understatement... this was part of the reason the fbi didn't tell the Cia on the information they had about the 9/11 terrorists.
@@SE-gs6gd bruh white people distrust the gov as well stop race baiting
"He was a loose cannon" lmao, what are you talking about, the only "crime" he committed was that an ATF informant asked him to saw off 2 shotgun barrels .1 inches below the legal limit. He specifically said he didn't agree with the Aryan Brotherhood and wouldn't join. He was on his own property and was invaded without any warning, his dog, son, and wife were ruthlessly killed by federal agents. Every single federal agent and anyone involved on the government side should have been tried for murder and they are the reason why people distrust the federal government.
Yeah this was almost 100% on the feds.
What this video refused to acknowledge is Weever refused to cut the shotgun barrels at first, the fed wasnt happy then cut them to a legal length, the fed still wasnt happy so finally cut it too short. They entrapped him just for an excuse to do what they did.
Yup. And the weavers hadn't really done shit other than have crappy beliefs and dodge taxes
From what I've read he actually cut the buttstocks, not the barrel.
the Cutting rule refers to the overall length barrel or stock doesn't change it.
@@unruinable138that wouldn't make sense... cutting the stock off gun isn't illegal... there is a specific reason why short barreled shotguns are illegal.
@@ImprovmanZeroI've been modifying guns for a few years. That isn't true. A Mac-11's barrel isn't much longer than some large caliber revolver pistols. I've personally owned a rifle with a 7 inch barrel.
If there is 1 thing this Texan has learned, it is that the ATF should be permenantly disbanded. They have a very long history of mistakes and violence against US citizens.
Agreed
And the fbi
Say it ain't so. A Texan wants the organization the controls Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms to be disbanded?
and the IRS. CIA.
And police in general
Dave....... It's ok to disagree with Daz, stand your ground mate. You often have points that are good but then you kinda timidly step back from when opposed
Daz is off on this
Daz is as stubborn as a mule from what I gathered over the years. Great guy, don't get me wrong, but stubborn. Dave is just avoiding the impossible.
Daz is awesome. I always like to hear his prospective
@@strider9184 most the world doesn’t understand that Americans love their country not their government
@@swinn848 Yes!
Daz you're calling this guy a loose cannon when he literally didn't go out of his way to hurt anyone.
We had a guy over here who also didn’t go out of his way to hurt anyone. Had radical beliefs. He was on “watch” list. He then went on to kill over 20 people including kids at an Ariana Grande concert. There’s been many similar and then outrage when they do commit the crime. He was a nutcase. Would you let your children go to same church etc as him?
@@officeblokedaz with the way your talking about this case you seem like a nutter, do you want law enforcement to treat your family the way the did his?
@@officeblokedaz so the government couldn’t announce their presence and said “we have the place surrounded come out with ur hands up” or something of the sort instead of immediately killing a dog and a kid that did nothing wrong and then proceed to kill his pregnant wife who did nothing wrong. And the cherry on top is after it’s all over they admit their own negligence by paying off the family. They didn’t even imprison randy weaver on the charges they went there for. He was found innocent of conspiracy but they ended up switching the court date on him without informing him and finding him guilty of failure to appear as well as guilty for sawing the shotgun barrel that they also entrapped him into doing and sentence him to 18 months and a $10,000 fine. Big brother government just killed this mans family because they baited him to saw off a shotgun barrel. Which shouldn’t even be a crime in the first place the NFA enforced by the ATF is more treasonous than randy weaver ever was.
@@officeblokedaz Brainlet take that still doesn't, at all, justify what happened here. You seem just as unhinged if these are your beliefs, lmao.
@@officeblokedaz anecdote
I’m so happy Daz is not no type of law enforcement cause he is really off sometimes
Ol Iron Fist Daz lol
Yeah, in situations like these you can often expect Daz to have an objectively shit take. Nuance isn't his strong suit.
@@MrWrestling86 Completely agreed. I completely dislike his takes often and the way he puts down dave sometimes is weird. Though, you have to understand his background, job etc. Daz is the type of guy to fuck with people for no other reason than a good laugh, which is common in England. And, to a degree, I have a lot of respect for him. I wish I was as care-free and bold as Daz.
Dave & Mike are right on this one… The meaning of don’t tread on me came from governments over stepping their grounds and imposing the will of the government in them.. What did they man or family do to have the government commit Democide
Please fix that last sentence
@@seatato4468 there's nothing wrong with that last sentence and you know it
@@1980bcman I'm not a grammar purest or anything, but I can spot at least 2 errors. But if your point is that me made himself understood, I agree.
I like Daz but to be honest in 1930's Germany he would be the first to be a brown shirt.
Sad but true. Agreeing with the government 100% of the time means he is leaning too far 1 way.
Daz has the wrong take on this.
Yes
If they went on to kill others would your thoughts be the same? It happens a lot and then people say it was all there to be seen.
@@officeblokedaz How are we to know that they were planning to kill others….they were never investigated for having plans to kill others…..the only thing that he was accused of was of cutting the barrel of a shotgun to short. And what the story here doesn’t say is that is legal to cut shotguns up to a certain measure….he made the mistake of cutting a quarter of an inch to much. It was entrapment. Yes, he had weird believes of end of times, but here in America , we are supposed to have freedom of believes and religion. Etc. I say supposed because obviously, if the feds want you, they get you, no matter what. And yes it goes against the constitution. This case open the eyes of millions of Americans…..BTW…..yes, there have been cases were the FBI knew that they had plans of mass shooting and did nothing….go figure.
@@officeblokedaz By your logic you can kill anyone that is spewing some stupid shit how he gonna do something stupid while angry or drunk etc. Stop it Daz, just admit it that you are wrong and drop the ego.
@@officeblokedaz there is a longer documentary that shows a lot more facts and better explains the timetable. I know here in Texas what is thought of the ATF especially after Waco. That sniper who played a part in both should not have a badge or be in prison. Just like in Waco this was blown up way out of proportion. But the government went in tactical style when it was never needed and no one would have died. That’s the bottom line that you are not getting. They just wanted to get off the grid. That doesn’t make them White Supremest. And this is for cutting a barrel 1/4 of an inch too short. 1/4 of an inch and not showing up in court the government is going to send tactical agents in camouflage up your property. Shot their dog before announcing themselves, hell that could have been drug dealers trying to take over a property. You are choosing the wrong hill to die on.
Man Ruby Ridge was an eye opener for a lot of Americans.
How so?
@@robertk2007 pretty self explanatory.
Should have said "Americans with critical thinking abilities"........ that would've kept the waterheads from asking repugnant questions......ijs
daz had some bad takes in this vid idk if the vid wasn't that good but idk how u can't disagree with what the government did
Everyone entitled to their opinion!
Me I don’t feel bad for that happen to them 🤷🏽♂️
Maybe he just understands it wasnt "the government" it was somebody who worked for the government who was put in a tough situation.
@@strider9184 go think wever you want snowflake 😂😂 she was a lose cannon at the end …you mad bc they got clap before they even put their plans in motion..they declared war again our country 😂😂 fuck off with that shit …fuck around and find out and they way they where going the kids had no real future … I will always defend the weak from people like them foreign or domestic
I think this vid left a lot out and made guy look a lot crazier than other documentaries I've seen
The poor handling of this incident along with the Waco Siege which happened in 1993, just 1 year after this sewed a large amount of mistrust in the U.S. Government that still lasts till this day
don’t commit crimes and you won’t be bothered :)
@@mikehunt368 and if you do, the government will exterminate you, your dogs, your wife, your kids, and your property....... yeah it's still messed up lol
@@mikehunt368 sarcasm? 🤔
@@saughs No he's just dumb
@@Rlogsdon100same with waco, if they would’ve just fessed up to the crimes it would’ve never happened… we can’t allow people to commit crimes and then run off to mountains so they are “untouchable”…. that’s be rather dangerous. plus, most of the innocent people that died in both cases (more waco) were sacrificed.
you can zero trust for the government, that’s your free will.. my only advice is, YOU CANT FIGHT THE US MILITARY, even with 100 guns.
It's really depressing how the US military chalks off their highly trained soldiers and expect them to assimilate back into normal life. I was in Iraq, and when I left the Army, all I got was a half-heartened pension and a "well there you go", and then I was back in civilian life. They really should have a retraining camp for when you exit the military to teach you how to be normal again before you drink yourself to death.
I bet the kinda shit Weaver saw in vietnam (as a Green Beret especially) and the type of stuff he was privy to about the dark inner workings of the gvmnt would blow our minds.
I was just discussing that with someone today
I have two tours and couldn’t agree more. Kicking the booze or the fistful of pills the VA gives you
Agreed. My grandpa was a WWII vet and as conservative as they come, but he had so many demons from the war that he drunkenly told me once as a kid, "I can't believe I'm allowed to own a gun still..."
Pension and pills, sign me up.
That sniper ended up getting a promotion and was involved with Waco not long after.
And that isn't surprising in the least...
Yes, the sniper did another sketchy move there.
Daz was like "the authorities did nothing wrong" when clearly they did when they were fucking up literally every step of the situation. From the clerical error to the lack of communication among themselves. There was a reason they were acquitted.
I think Randy Weaver and his wife were absolute nut bars, to be clear. I think one thing lost in translation, and why they were able to garner so much sympathy was the fact that during this time frame federal law enforcement was going a little crazy and reacting like a quasi military organization. Americans don't react well to gestapo tactics. Americans also have a 4th amendment right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects. All they had on Randy was the 'suspicion' that he was modifying weapons illegally. When the shooting started it was the marshals office that fired first, killing the dog, and never announced that they were there or for what purpose or in what capacity. The hole thing was a major cluster on the side of the Feds. As for the sniper, he fired two shots striking Randy Weaver in the shoulder and his wife in the head while she was carrying her child. If the sniper was that good of a shot he would have domed Randy not a shoulder shot. It was incredibly reckless to make that shot while she was carrying her child, and it was completely unjustified. And finally, they didn't think the house was so booby trapped that they didn't send in agents to plant cameras or to send an unarmed civilian up to mediate. The whole thing was a clown show.
You and I are almost100% in agreement... I would only say that, after everything, the evidence and unfolding of events prove that they weren't "nut bars", they weren't wrong.. Sadly
they were right..
Best wishes friend..✌
@@michaelterry3885 And best wishes to you! I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to meet someone on the internet that uses correct grammar and writes in complete sentences. And you're right in saying that his beliefs in the government were correct. I was mostly referring to his beliefs about religion. Stay strong friend... 👍
I take it you knew them personally to make such a claim or must be a doctor to assume someone isn't all there. Otherwise you just like to slander a family in which a son and mother was murdered by the government.
@@robertlawler1387 Okay Bob, couldn't I use that exact same argument against you? If your standard of qualification is having to know a person directly, then nobody could make judgements about anyone without knowing them personally. I think I'm on fairly solid ground in thinking that it's a bit nutty if someone believes God speaks to them directly.
There was an order given to the FBI snipers to shoot any male holding a rifle, whether they posed a danger or not. This all originated from agents attempting to entrap Weaver on a technicality to blackmail Weaver to use him to get at someone else in his neighborhood. Weaver wasn’t accused of anything before the agents entrapped him.
Proud to see all these fellow Americans, both conservatives and liberals agree in this matter.
I'm one of those scary anarcho-commie anitfas and I still get super heated about ruby ridge. I think the weavers ideology was completely reprehensible, but this entire thing was egregious mishandling and out of line tyranny on the part of the feds.
I like Daz but he's dead wrong here
Dave was the only one using critical thinking I believe, Daz's way of thinking concerns me.
Yeah, including his comment that it’d be funny and proper for the court date error to be an intentional set-up.
Randy weaver never declared war on the government the aryaan nation did. He wasnt a member of the aryaan nation
Daz seems to have lost his listening and comprehension skills on this one
They didn't know it was agents when they opened fire and killed the agent. In America if police do not properly identify themselves and you shoot them thinking they're intruders you often won't be charged. It sounds like these guys got a great attorney who argued that angle and got the charge dropped. I'm sure that same reason is why many of the charges were dropped, they didn't identify themselves until they'd already killed two people.
This epic and criminal mishandling of a situation had a direct influence on what happened in Waco soon after. And in the audience at Waco was a guy named Timothy McVeigh. And McVeigh of course took the anger from these occurrences and with Terry Nichols killed 168 innocent men, women and children in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Both of these incidents should be more well known for Americans, it was a clear demonstration of the incompetence of the government in handling situations like these and it only leads to the same radicalism they were trying to prevent.
Unlike Waco, I think this situation was much more one sided against in the government being in the wrong. The guy had a crazy belief but in reality, he didn’t act on anything so we can’t prosecute and basically execute people based on potential threats. Definitely watch list though
Dont you find it a bit odd that most of the ppl that develop a distrust for the gvmnt are ex-military (and usually special forces)? Makes you wonder how they probably know about all the shady shit the gvmnt is involved in. But everybody just writes them off as ‘crazy’ or suffereing from ptsd.
@@John_Redcorn_ No. You're just grasping at straws.
Conspiracy to commit a crime such as treason/insurrection is something that can be preemptively acted on...there's absolutely no need to wait for them to commit a terrorist attack before arresting/charging them. That being said, the government handled this in the worst possible way...
@@John_Redcorn_ No, a lot of people who saw actual atrocities during war don't come home sane. Honestly, they're usually the last people who should be allowed to own guns. Not saying it should be an automatic ban for them, but this is where psychological background checks become important.
@@John_Redcorn_ I think it's more likely that we do terrible things to them and expect terrible things from them and then just shove them back into society afterwards. Many of them can't take the switch back into civilian life. Most just kill themselves, but there's few like this guy who clutch onto the grand conspiracy as a coping mechanism.
The biggest sin of the government is that it's doesn't care about you. Neither does the meat grinder. Dealing with your own insignificance is the part that breaks them. There's not some insane grand conspiracy, only a system that acts without thought to you or anyone else.
"Stopped paying taxes to a government they despised"
I respect that so much. I wish everyone would just not file taxes one year just for shits and giggles to see what happens lol
It really is like the scene in A Bug's Life, if we ever knew how much power we had in numbers.
Only issue is most people's jobs take it out already so if you overpay your just not getting it back
The 14 year old didnt know he was shooting at a cop. He was just returning fire at a person who killed his dog. And this was in the middle of nowhere. You would never expect to see militarized police surrounding your property for missing 1 court date.
Your just off on this one Daz. This was a horrific display of terrible police procedure. A family moved to the woods to be left alone and cut a shotgun “too short” and we’re murdered for it. We can have full on assault rifles but cut a barrel on a shotgun less than 12 inches and and it’s a death sentence. Btw disabled vets dont have to pay taxes on their pension. He would of only had to pay property tax which is very low in remote areas. He never declared war that is what the media said. He refused to join the aryans. You are just so far off on this. This man was a war hero who was absolutely ruined by the government
This is a perfect encapsulation of the plethora of malfunctions common in Federal law enforcement in the 80's and 90's.
And today
Those "malfunctions" have only gotten worse since then.
Your support for the government in this is a bit telling. It clearly is pointed out in the video the incompetence of the feds in the situation.
What can you expect, theyre brits. They are all the governments servants.
Wow, Daz. You’re dead wrong. They strait-up murdered his wife. You think shooting a woman holding a baby is ‘in the right’?! Crazy or not, she had committed NO crime. Unbelievable
It's not about being "in the right"
The sniper had information he had to act on, that information was wrong, and the fault lies with his superiors.
Good point. The wife was guilty of absolutely no crimes whatsoever. Randy was in trapped to commit a crime by a Fed but his wife was completely innocent and they murdered her in Cold blood
@@1980bcman no one was entrapped
@@LiteralCrimeRave the jury disagreed with you clown shoes. A federal agent entrapped him to break a law and three people and a dog died because of that Fed
@@1980bcman People died from law enforcement mishandling every aspect of the case, and the white Supremacist who believed the world was out to get him
Daz immediately looking for reasons to justify something that the US government recognizes was handled poorly.
A couple of points for you. First the sheriffs had been speaking with the family and he was going to go in for his court appearance on this mis-scheduled time when a judge issued an arrest warrant and ordered the sheriffs to act. The sheriffs initiated fire by shooting the dog. The boy seeing his shot dog and men in camo with no sheriffs dept ID, opened fire upon then and the sheriff was killed as was the boy with what was reported as over 20 rounds fired at the child.
Second, the reporting back to federal agencies left out the facts of the incident including they had shot a boy and only reported they had a sheriff killed. Acting on this highly incomplete info, a federal judge ordered the house be assaulted and any armed people were to be shot on sight. no attempts at contact or negotiation were attempted and command was very lax at the sight.
Not to excuse the man. He was wrong to make the sawed off shotguns and in the normal course of events would have likely paid a fine or gotten a minor jail sentence. It was the Aryan church members who had said they needed to declare war on the US and the ATF agent assumed Mr Weaver was one though it was stated multiple times he disagreed with them on most things. The government made dozens of errors here that multiplied the wrongness of their position to epic proportions that they stood by rather than make any effort to rethink their position. There were so many communication errors and each magnified the problem.
A sad day in our history.
I was in high school when this happened, and that's when I learned a couple of important life lessons. First was the utter bias of the media; to wit, suddenly Randy Weaver gained two new first names and became universally known as "White Separatist Randy Weaver." eventually I began to ask myself two questions: first, why don't they ever provide any evidence he was a white separatist? And second, even if true, what the hell does that have to do with the facts of the case?
The second lesson I learned is how untrustworthy the government is. They insisted the man was a grave danger to society yet his lawyer secured a Not Guilty verdict without calling a single defense witness. And when it came time to hold the abusive government actors accountable, their criminal cases were removed from state court to federal court where the charges against them were promptly dismissed.
Unfortunately things have only become 50 times worse on both counts in the intervening years.
Damn...I am so glad you left America Daz. You don't understand freedom we enjoy. You belong in a country that decides personal beliefs should be regulated. I don't agree with Randy's beliefs, but would die to protect his freedom to have those beliefs.
Yeah good riddance. Dude is straight up fascist.
Until that freedom is taken by some nutcase that they’ve been “watching”. You’d be first to say why didn’t we do something earlier. You know it.
@@officeblokedaz I'm not going to listen to anything else you have to say. A sniper from the FBI shoots a woman holding her child. He deserves the death penalty. DISBAND THE FBI. They are corrupt to the core.I will never watch this your channel again.
@@fermisparadox01 👍🏻
@@officeblokedaz no, thats the difference between us , and even some Americans. I wholeheartedly believe in freedom in all it's forms." Anyone who gives up their freedoms for safety deserves neither." To quote someone who gave up many securities for the freedom we enjoy. The problem we are having now in America is too many people like you have said you know there ought to be a law against that. Putting personal feelings above freedom.
Every person that leaves the US military is “discharged”. Note that he was honorably discharged. It just means he left honorably. Probably fulfilled his contract and didn’t want to re-enlist.
The government
In war: don't fire unless fired upon.
At home: shot first ask questions later.
I guess this kind of shows the difference between Americans and Brits. America, with constitutional rights, has a strong distrust of government. It really grew around Vietnam with people realizing that power corrupts, and you can’t always trust what they say. He was crazy, but they shot first, they were the aggressors. A lot of people, especially gun enthusiasts, believe the different departments operate with too much impunity and wield too much power. For example, the FBI was supposed to be temporary, and is still not “officially” a department, and people accuse them of abusing their power or being a weapon for the president to wield.
Fun fact the US Supreme Court is currently in the process of deciding if they should strip the ATF of the power to make laws as they tend to make laws and change those laws to suit their immediate needs.
Currently both the Supreme Court and the Congress are leaning away from the ATF.
He didn't declare war on the US government, they said the leader of the Arian church compound had declared war. Randy just wanted to be left alone...
I wondered why this siege wasn’t done on the church instead of a family loosely involved in it
Yeah it's really annoying this video said that. The weavers never declared war on the US, they just retreated up to their land in nazi country and tried to disassociate from the government. They weren't waging any war. That's really misleading and inaccurate
I stopped watching the video when the guys seemed okay with the sniper shooting a woman in the head while she is holding her baby! smh
The same woman carrying a baby with a loaded gun on her hip?
@@officeblokedaz It is perfectly legal to carry a gun on your person in the US , but apparently she was shot in the head in front of her remaining family members for carrying a harmless baby.
Besides, she may have been a little paranoid after the feds shot her little boy in the back while he was running from them.
They are portrayed as nutballs but that is mostly propaganda from the government and their media lapdogs.
Daz sounds truly noggin washed.
You should see how hot & bothered the idiot's gotten in past conversations with the blokes when they questioned the efficacies of the covid shot or when Dave questioned the moon landing. Totally brainwashed into the system this one.
Daz misheard the situation. It was the Aryans that declared war on the USA not Wade. They just roped him into their operation against the aryans by getting him to saw off a shotgun and it escalated from there.
That's what I thought the video said.
I had to scroll way too far to finally see someone point that out.
It didn't matter what they believed, they didn't attack the government in any way. They still had rights, and their rights were violated. The fact that they carried guns everywhere is irrelevant. It was their legal right to be armed. On top of that they lived in the middle of the woods. Can we say wild life? The boy shot the agent thinking he was a trespasser that killed his dog. The government says a lot of things. It doesn't matter what they say, it is about what they prove. Did they show evidence. Do I like neo nazi's, no, I am black. But we have the right to associate with who we want. If they don't have the right of free association, then I don't either. You can believe what you want as long as you don't violate my rights in the process. You can believe that I don't belong in this world, just as long as you don't take any action in removing me from it. Would I rather you not believe that way, of course. But mind control is not an acceptable concept, despite the teachings of the thought police and cancel culture.
Sometimes Americans forget that they & the British are NOT alike despite sharing a language. This pertains to the mindset held by Daz and some folk from the commonwealth countries like Canada etc. It is during topics like this when you actually realize this fact, no shade against anyone but that's just the facts .
Yes, there's a reason why we fought them off, our cultures split apart hundreds of years ago, only thing in common is the language and some don't even speak English here lol
@@aj897 and if you're a keen observer you'll notice how hard & overt the MSM has been trying to mend that bridge by force feeding Americans British culture like these Royals that they still have over there. Don't fall for it, a land of free people was never a destiny written for Europeans as their elites made sure of that. That's why the obedience & subservience to authority often shows in their worldview every once in a while. That's why the Daz character believes that the agents had a right to do what they did in this video simply because.....you guessed it, they were figures of authority & had to be respected.
@@aj897 fought them off? You mean the Spanish and the French fought them off, you couldn't do anything against the British empire. When they showed up with their navy, you needed compte de Grasse's help to deal with them.
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Yes the American Rebels "fought them off" The French, and Spanish alliance assured victory for the Americans. The French and Spanish intervention made the American rebellion an international conflict and helped Britain to decide the cost of attempting to retain those colonies was not worth the cost, as they had too much to lose elsewhere along with the unpopularity of the war with sizable segments of British society.
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Yes, we fought them off. George Washington fought them off for years, from 1776 to 1778, before the intervention of the French or the Spanish. Cope harder.
In the US it is perfectly legal to defend yourself, even from law enforcement. If they just break onto your property and start shooting without announcing themselves and produce a warrant they are no different than any other armed trespasser.
There's been quite a few cases of police being shot during no-knock raids that resulted in no charges, or police shooting innocent people at wrong addresses during no-knock raids and being charged with murder.
I'm a big fan of Daz. I think he's hilarious but he is way off on this one. Those ATF agents slaughtered that family with no remorse. Imagine what kind of animal would shoot an unarmed woman in the head who is holding a 10-month old baby. That is an evil POS that belongs in prison for the rest of his life
100%. I like Daz but he should really read up on this more. There's no excuse for what the feds did
They snuck onto the property, and without so much as announcing themselves, shot Sam Weaver's dog. Then had the balls to be surprised when someone started shooting back.
I don't care who you are. If you pull that in the backwoods of north Idaho, 10 times out of 10 you'll be sending all future communication via ouija board.
Dave gets it. Daz does not. Let me know if you need an explanation.
Dave’s a smart guy who looks at all different views. Daz is awesome & smart too but he’s too sure and abrupt on his opinions sometimes
Yeah I need an explanation. I’ll give you an example of someone that was on our watch list here in the uk. He was a radical nutcase very similar to weaver. Had religious beliefs and didn’t trust the government etc. we were “watching” him. Then he killed over 20 innocent people including children at an Ariana grande concert. Should we have done more than just watch him?
@@officeblokedaz How well were you "watching him" for him to be able to go kill people? Pre-crime only exists in the movies. Individual liberty only ends where an other's begins. Weaver was not bothering anyone. Not trusting the government isn't criminal. Yet, they went to his property and executed his dog, son, and wife. Every individual has the duty and right to protect themselves. Including their family and property. Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement is not obligated to protect the people. If they weren't trying to set him up, none of this would've happened. I'm happy to further explain and/or elaborate on anything you need clarified.
@@earlwright5640 the kid was carrying a gun. The mother was holding her child whilst carrying a gun on her hip. No need if you’re innocent. Crazy.
@@officeblokedaz They were on their own property! No need to have a "need" when on your own property.
In the United States, we have an issue with law enforcement agencies operating outside of the scope of law and outside of the constitution. Average citizens have their constitutional rights violated regularly....But those in positions of authority/power are no subject to those same standards. We have a double standard. And law enforcement keeps getting more militarized every year. They focus more on military style training and equipment than how to defuse stressful situations. Ego, abuse of power/authority, and ignorance rule our agencies here in the usa. I don't think their will be any way to address/fix/alter that moving foward. Sadly, future generations will be subjected to more tyrannical governing than previous generations.
Imagine thinking the law enforcement was in the right on this. Yikes, the guy on the right almost seems too want a minority report situation where law enforcement can determine before a crime has been committed who can be arrested unfairly.
Mind you, this was all over 2 shotguns that had apparently too short of barrels for the government’s liking. Shortening barrels on guns doesn’t make them more deadly. It hurts velocity & range of the gun, making it less effective actually. The government’s argument was that these shotguns were made less effective & therefore should be banned. The illogical thinking by politicians on guns is amazing.
Ruby Ridge and Waco are two incidents that left big black marks on federal law enforcement. No matter how nuts Randy Weaver and David Koresh were, the way it was handled was absolutely bonkers. I guess it was necessary that something like that had to happen to serve as a reminder of how not to act in these situations in the future.
Yeah the police messed up big time, lol I thought daz was joking😂 like there was a dog and a teen shot and killed and daz is like yeah they did a good job 😅
They did do a good job.
@@shard4756 So you think the Germans did a good job to? You or the government don’t get to just kill people because you don’t like there beliefs or they “offend” you. The irony is hysterical with y’all and the double standards shits ridiculous.
@@joesutherland9354 Lmao the Ruby Ridge inbreds are the Germans in this scenario. Civilians dont get to break the law and shoot at cops and get away with it because theyre white. Just pretend the Ruby Ridge family was black, you would 100% support the FBi then
@@shard4756 nice take nut Job. You agree with the unlawful murder of a 14-year-old child and the abuse of animals. You're a great human being and I would bet money that you're a Democrat
@@shard4756 Of fucking up!
Honestly it sounds like they could have just left this guy alone and the outcome would have been better for everyone involved.
they murdered his wife and son in front of him just to make him suffer before they killed him..... disgusting.
Big facts
I followed this on TV, when it was happening. Not one time have I seen proof, that he actually declared war on the US. He was entrapped, and that was the biggest reason he was found innocent.
30 years later and we as a nation still have not forgiven our government this heinous act, or Waco for that matter. We will never forget 🇺🇸
Most comments here are accurate. I just want to add 2 things. I like you Daz, but you are wrong about this. 1, he may have legally avoided paying taxes, by homesteading, and 2, the government said he declared war. When you declare war, you don't stay at home, which is what Randy Weaver did. You attack, which he didn't do.
With Dave on this one.
His first crime was not paying taxes but the agent telling him where to cut off the shotgun barrel WAS entrapment, pure and simple.
Nobody was charged with killing the atf agent because they never announced that they were law enforcement. They killed the dog. The shooting of the atf agent was probably deemed self defense, but it seems like the kid was probably the one that killed the atf agent.
Step 1 to being an American. Love your country, hate your government.
I remember this whole episode. The government was crazy. Whoever made these decisions to attack the Weavers should’ve suffered consequences.
The US people hated the govt. even more after this.
Mike is the most underrated comedian. From the sleepy barber comment the other day to the back garden comment here, fuckin hilarious!
Like the narrarator said during the video, it was a shit-show from the beginning! Should have never happened the way it did. The FBI to this day says it's one of their biggest mistakes, if not THE biggest. I'm not taking any sides on this, but the Weaver's never hurt anyone before this shitshow started. Yes, they may not have paid their taxes and he didn't show up for a court that they fucked up on, but it should have never come to this. And as for the whole thing that started it, him sawing off the barrels of some shotguns, that's a stupid ass law to begin with! It's my property, I should be able to do whatever I want to it. Now, if he ever used one of them to kill someone, THEN he has broken a law. I'm probably going the watchlist now! LOL
The only good thing about this case was that the US Marshall who opened fire on the dog and 14y/o for no reason other than the dog playfully coming up to him causing them to get noticed was killed. That guy had it f*cking coming.
Shotguns in the US have to have barrels over 18 inches if they have a butt stock. If they are under 18inches they are considered an NFA item which needs special paperwork and a process done by the atf and a tax stamp. The atf had nothing to charge Randy on so they had an agent purposely tell him where to cut the shotgun barrel so it was just under 18 inches(i mean JUST under) so they’d finally have a reason to raid his property. People still distrust the government over how this was handled.
Randy Weaver just passed this year RIP
Very interesting. My father was at Ruby Ridge, and I am a former LEO. Understand that when the F B I team shot the wife, they broke the rules of engagement (which were to shoot any “armed” adult. ) The wife was only carrying a baby. So when Daz mentions he is siding with law enforcement, at this point in the video this is what you are agreeing with as far as the teams’ actions. Just saying. Enjoying though, and I am a long-time subscriber. Cheers from Colorado!
Daz you definitely would have hurt a lot of innocent people smh. You don't kill people because of their beliefs. They wasn't hurting anyone. If that was your wife and child I bet you would get it then.
ATFs blunder of an assault on Ruby Ridge. Led to their attempt of redemption for themselves at Waco. Which turned into a disaster as well. Which as a result led to Timothy McVeighs revenge bombing of the ATF building in Oklahoma City.
There are a few great documentaries out there about Ruby Ridge. Probably too much to do a reaction to but you guys should watch a couple of them on your own time. There's one with the oldest daughter that gives a perspective of what was going on in the house during that time. 🍻
The problem is up until law enforcement shot the dog they were the ones to shoot first. The Weavers did nothing but make threats. No action was ever taken by the Weaver’s. The government totally shot his Constitutional Rights in the ass.
Dave is speaking facts
This still is fresh in the memory of many Americans. Many people will cite this case for the reason for the 2nd amendment.
According to one of the podcasts I've listened to about this story, the son and Kevin Harris were out hunting for food, since they couldn't leave the property. The dog found the agents hiding in the woods, the agents shot the dog, and never once announced themselves as police. Harris and the son, who were both armed with hunting rifles, thought that the dog was shot by trespassers and the boy returned fire. Even still the agents never announced themselves at police and fired back at Weaver and Harris with a fully auto gun and killed the boy. Like the guy in the video said, you don't have to agree with the beliefs the Weavers held, the federal government botched this whole situation, which is why this story is so important to the Waco fiasco. When Waco happened the ATF was looking for an easy win to make everyone forget about Ruby Ridge, and they somehow made things even worse for themselves.
Bottom line is weaver was minding his own business when agents first killed his dog and his son. Then his wife. A former green beret and service man who caught in nam……WTF
Daz, he didn’t go to war, as you’re saying. Living off the grid and not paying taxes was his war. Certainly not an excuse to slaughter his dog his son and wife. Daz, sounding like an NK leader of sorts. “Against my government in belief?! Slaughter them all!”
And victim blaming while making a lot of assumptions. Interesting.
Weaver wasn't an Aryan Nations member, he wasn't 'at war' with the government. He had some strange, end times religious beliefs and believed the government had become despotic and authoritarian. This proved to be true. The Weavers were just living their lives in their little cabin and harming nobody.
The government could have just knocked on Weaver's door to talk to him about things, but, as they often did, they went in with guns blazing. To a militarized organization, all things appear aggressive, armed threats.
The Weavers carried guns because they believed the government forces a danger, and likely to attack. Again, they were right. Samuel Weaver was just out walking with his dog, when he and the dog were attacked by an armed stranger. He fired in self defense.
Ive never seen Daz be so incredibly wrong...
the only thing the feds proved was why he didnt trust the government.and the atf instructed him to saw those shotguns knowing that its illegal and didnt tell him my government is disgusting.
How does Daz always manage to have such terrible takes on these topics?
The government undoubtedly screwed this up majorly every step of the way; a complete embarrassment.
I'm no expert but from what the video said I would speculate that an agent killed the dog on private property allowimg the owners of the property to legally return fire for self defense. The child was shot and the agent who murdered the child was the one killed during the owners self defense which is probably why they didn't mention who would be charged for the murder of the child and dog. The agents are in the wrong and take all blame for any crimes or deaths that happened on the property.
The agents had an illegal search warrant or illegal warrant for his arrest due to the clerical issues and therefore illegal trespassed and assaulted the home. Giving crazy the legal right to defend himself and property.
I remember Geraldo going in with a helicopter. The family was wacky but this situation went so out of control. Feel bad for the kids. Terrible. All of it could have been done differently.
Daz is living on planet Zeptron during this video. You must not have gotten anything from your time in the states.
There's a reason the US Constitution only allows citizens born inside the country to hold government positions. To understand the freedoms & rights expressed or enjoyed by the American people you just have to. What do people who've never had such a thing truly understand? Nothing, but they can pretend that they do until moments like this when you actually say to yourself, "jeez, for a moment I actually forgot that he's not an American".
I'm sure someone mentioned it, but this was the precursor hanging over the Waco incident and impacting decisions throughout that ordeal.
In the US, a sheriff is the TOP law enforcement officer. Above him would be an elected Coroner, then an elected Judge (in his state’s county). A Prosecutor is below a Sheriff. State Police DO NOT out rank him. A Governor or a Sheriff can call out the National Guard to suppress a riot or rebellion. 2X I did that for Pendalton Reformatory riot, and a riot in our city after a police shooting in the 90’s. The city riot we jumped off the truck and everybody scattered like roaches. The Reformatory was more difficult, because we were armed only with sticks and plastic shields!
The kids dog was killed by the feds. The kid didn’t know they were law enforcement and as a result the kid fired on them. They fired back. They relayed the information that a federal agent was killed but did not mention that they killed the kid so when the fbi came in the were under the assumption that the agent was killed by the adults at the cabin. That’s why they went in guns a blazin. The government failed in communications which resulted in their grossly overly aggressive response. No body needed to die.
Kid armed with a gun, out playing with his dog 😳
@@officeblokedaz they live out in the middle of the woods. There are bears, mountain lions, wolves, ect.
@@officeblokedaz I’m late to this video and this comment, but you have to stop equating your lifestyle and your “normal” to other people. Carrying a gun when you live in the middle of a forest with dangerous animals is not abnormal in the US or even Canada. If we threw you in the Montana wilderness I’m sure you’d feel more comfortable walking around with a rifle, mate.
Regardless of their beliefs as far as I know they didn't hurt anyone and this was an execution.
Just like a child, you're taking what the narrator said for granted. There's so much stuff the investigation uncovered that federal law enforcement did was wrong. Randy Weaver's wife had a gun in a holster, but her hands were full of her baby, she couldn't pull her gun, she wasn't brandishing, which is the traditional meaning of "being armed", an actual gun in hand. The sniper was only 100 yards away, one of you used to shoot precision rifles, these guys can shoot a fly at that distance with their high magnification scopes. He clearly saw she was unarmed but shot her in the head anyway. He used the Nuremberg Nazi defense, "I was only following orders." These knuckleheads are so brainwashed they'll commit any atrocity as long as they can blame their orders. About her beliefs about the end times, are you suggesting we automatically HAVE to kill people with schizophrenia?
It wasn't mentioned in the video that Randy Weaver cut one of the barrels an eighth of an inch too short for legality and the other shotgun barrel was cut a half inch longer than legal requirement, they were still too long to conceal, technically they weren't "sawed off" at all. His son and wife were killed because of an eighth of an inch. Don't forget, he was forced to attend as an informant by the ATF in the first place. Other commenters mentioned that the sun was shot in the back, while running away.
Do a little more research before you judge people.
Imagine a mother carrying her child with a loaded gun on her hip. Is that normal?
@@officeblokedaz If you live in the mountains of Idaho where there are bears, wolves, and other dangerous animals, you better have a gun on your hip or even, a rifle over your shoulder. Unlike England, there are still dangerous animals here and actual wild lands.
Open carry is completely legal (and "normal") where I live and I used to see dozens of customers come in where I worked wearing handguns and fixed bladed knives and felt very safe around them. Think about it, where do bad guys shoot people? Gun free zones where no one is allowed to have guns. Having a gun in your house is the same as having a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, or a spare tire in your car. You never to have to use it, but it's a good thing to have on hand, in case you do. I promise, a crackhead will get to you faster than the cops can put their donut down to put their car in "Drive".
I forgot, we actually don't know she had a gun in a holster, or not, with all the great law enforcement that happened that day.
The police and government were absolutely wrong! Huge human rights violations that caused an absolute uproar in this country and a lot of anti-government sentiment and rightfully so. The government acted like fascists. You can violate people's rights like this and think it's ok.
These people just wanted to be left alone.
When the covernment get's involved Things go sideways every time. There is another incident they were way wrong going against the Native americans in South Dakota. They also went after a farmer in North Dakota and killed him and others.
Always watch out for the government when they get involved!
It's been stated by many people already, but Daz's take on this is terrible. He's advocating for the government's ability to execute a whole family of people because one member of the family committed a felony, and because the family doesn't trust the government. I'm thankful that Daz doesn't work in law enforcement or hold any sort of policy-making position in the government.