Round 5 of the Risk Legends Tournament!
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- For todays episode I am playing my Round 5 game for the brand new Risk Legends Tournament!
Come on down to the Potato Paradise server and join the community for what will be an ongoing competition.
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We're putting real American dollars on the line for the top six finalists. Do you have what it takes to be a legend?
I share some strategic thoughts for the game of Risk: Global Domination.
Settings are:
Map: Rivertown Advanced
Mode: Zombie Apocalypse
Setup: Auto
Cards: Fixed
AI Difficulty: Expert
Turn Timer: 60s
Fog: Off
Blizzards: Off
Alliances: On
Dice: Balanced Blitz
Players are:
1st: The Zombies
2nd: Sir Tyler - Canada - Top 100 Grandmaster and FFA Champion
3rd: Phil - UK
4th: UnderTheGun - Germany - Top 10 Grandmaster and FFA Champion
5th: Myself - Top Grandmaster
6th: [TBH] real_llamas - Germany - Entry Level Grandmaster and Content Creator
I really hope you enjoy!
-Pete
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I agree that high-level fixed games (ESPECIALLY with zombies) are a lot more interesting to watch when fog is on. These settings were particularly problematic because it's basically a stalemate until the zombies decide to infect the next player (basically eliminating them). So if you got infected early on, you'd be safe, but if your stack of 120 gets infected, you lose immediately. It's just going to be random and doesn't particularly reward skillful play.
Just add fog to these settings and you'll have a more interesting game
I liked the conversation at the end about winning. I'm a fan of F1 and there's a reason why up and coming drivers say you have to have a certain mentality about not giving any ground to Hamilton (for example) because you respect him too much. I think this conversation is universal in competition. It's interesting you had the conversation so openly.
I lot of people like to chime in on this part of the conversation while missing much of the context. My favourite part of FFA competition is the self corrective function. A player who is a known quantity or known to be 'good' faces additional scrutiny. I literally named my channel after it.
I'm happy to have all my conversations out in the open because that's how we figure out what we actually think.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy Agreed. And every seasoned strategy gamer knows this as well; metagaming itself is a skill and in such delivers meritous and honorable wins. That being the case, not only is there no shame in winning by leveraging your metagame influence, but much credit and honor to be gained from winning by leveraging these skills as well.
As a poker pro myself, it's immediately obvious that your friend, although a great strategist, is not a live player (he focuses on online play) because the headgames, table talk and other skills needed to succeed live are in fact rich and deep skill trees that can seriously raise your edge, and there's no reason why these wouldn't apply to boardgames as well. I've been to many live boardgame tournies and establishing a good metagame presence seems to be an essential edge there as well, so there's no rational reason why it shouldn't be a factor in the digital version.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy thing is the wins you get from people wanting to get on your good side are outweighed by people targeting you for your record/because it is you, at least before they started hiding records. With hidden records it might slant the other way now but I just found your channel recently so I have been watching a lot of old content. It also might still slant to people not targeting you during tournaments because you are playing with more established people but my mind hasn't been separating it all to notice.
Either way it is a double-edged sword.
Pete I’ve played maybe 100 games of online risk in my entire life. I haven’t played in ages. But I can’t stop enjoying your videos.
Jesus Pete when I started watching u 4 days ago you were only on like 11k and earlier you were on 15.7k now 16k and you deserve it all much love
Thank you! It's going crazy right now.
Hey Pete! I found your channel last week and i've now seen half a dozen of your videos. How do you stay so happy and wholesome? Much love from the UK
Never trust the man who claims to be wholesome Iain
So glad you're enjoying my work Sir!
You must not have watched round 2 of this legends tournament, where he's not so happy lol.
he doesnt lol
This discussion about 'pity wins' is something you see in other sports as well. It's called, perhaps euphemistically, 'giving respect'.
With regard to the conversation starting around 1:06:00, about cheating, I have some thoughts.
The most important thing to remember is that you can NEVER completely eliminate cheating. Cheaters will find a way, no matter what you do. So when you compromise the game to "stop" cheaters, all you get a compromised game.
If you can make cheating harder while making changes that aren't detrimental to the game, then great. Do those things. But there's no end to the rabbit hole of "Let's just compromise the game a little bit because we're afraid of cheaters." It's best to just not go down it, and accept that some amount of cheaters will need to be dealt with the hard way.
Will the cheaters ruin some games before they get caught? Yes, they will. But that's better than ruining ALL games in the mistaken belief that doing so eliminated the cheaters.
Thanks for adjusting the Discord volume. Honestly, I've been binge hating on your videos all week, until this one. This was your first "like" from me. Your realization of the dynamics of your position within the community was insightful, humble, and honest. I think I will try out this game, now.
Glad you enjoyed Sir. I'm not oblivious to the parts of my character that might come off as dislikeable. I'm just as flawed and broken of a man as everyone else.
Interesting conversation at the end.
As for Pete accepting "pity wins" due to popularity, how is that any different from certain NBA players getting special treatment from refs because they know how to talk to them? Or because they're such big stars that the refs don't dare give them six fouls in an important game? (Which forces them to the bench) Otherwise the NBA is a balanced game, right? Yes all that is "unfair" but so is being born taller or with better muscles for jumping. Basketball's a competition, not a collaboration, so you take whatever advantage you can get.
Well, that's what Pete is doing. He's turning a meta-game into a meta-meta-game, to get a small advantage. And isn't that the entire point of a game like Risk? If it wasn't, it would be a math game and I can play Sudoku to scratch that itch. Pete brings viewers precisely because he is playing the psych game, not in spite of it.
You seem to get it better than most.
Pete is a phenomenal player… he doesn’t need, nor should he want, something from outside the game of risk to influence the game of risk. It would be equivalent to paying people $ outside the game for effects in the game… Pete’s position within the risk community should not effect risk gameplay at all.
Love hearing the Comms!
Hey Pete, I wanna congratulate you for 15k looking at your stats on social blade you’ve been gaining like 7k in the past week. Your gonna pass champ soon as the biggest risk channel.
Edit; I’ve been watching since 2k and it’s crazy how fast your growing rn
It's absolutely wild. I am very blessed!
@@TheKillPeteStrategy deserved!
ikr. I have also been subbed to this guy for more than a year.
Zaombi! Zaombi! uh oo uh oo uh oo uh oo , it's in your heeeaaaad in your heeeaaad
Hi Pete! I randomly got into risk recently after playing it with some friends and I just wanted to say that I've absolutely loved watching your content. You're so knowledgable and good at imparting that knowledge too, and just a really nice guy so keep it up! :D
hey pete iam very long at your channel congrats for so much new subs rooad to 20k next week good luck from germany
wow 15k subs now, it was only 5k a couple of weeks ago, keep up the great content mate, is there any chance of prog caps fog gameplay, seem to really enjoy those ones but nts if you are a fan of them after watching the end of this vid, love from the uk
That [TBH] real_llamas guy did some amazing moves! 😂
I don't care what ANYONE says about him... I think he's a cool dude.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy I control the player the player who is [TBH] real_llamas, Pete! 😂
@@SebastianUlrich85 I assumed.
My buddy's wife told me that once. And I just thought it was the best back handed compliment I ever heard.
Oh shit, this was today lol I started watching yesterday. I love risk and Ithank you for sharing strategy tactics and why. I also subscribed.
I don't know why the algorithm started sending me your way, and I also don't know why I keep watching these videos. I don't even play Risk, but I just keep watching these vids.
So glad you're enjoying the show!
Dude looks like he walks a knifes edge between keeping it cool or striking his cat.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Competitive Tournament Games decided 100% on Computer Generated RNG will ALWAYS be the most fair way of deciding who is the best at a Skill Based Game!!!!!!!!!!
Next time I sponsor a tournament it will be with the understanding that I get veto power over the settings.
Not sure who was speaking at the end but I completely agree, using fame to leverage wins in an otherwise balanced game does not seem moral
When did I claim that I was moral?
I agree, Pete as a figurehead of the community has an inherent responsibility to set an example for the rest of the community to keep the game skill based. It’s a little hypocritical to not like caps because “it’s not about skill it’s about endurance” and then leverage his position instead of his skill to win games? He has done so much for the community so I don’t really get this take
Half of risk is getting people to like you and hate others that’s all he is doing a perfectly valid risk strategy. These people are free to make there own decisions whether that benefits Pete or not doesn’t matter. He is trying to win! People who are saying Pete is in the wrong are insane!
@@mattyc7003 I see what your missing.
Creating the responsibility as you put it was skillfull right?
@@mattyc7003 yep and using a Game Mode that relies 99% on Computer Generated RNG out of eveyone’s control to decide the outcome in the Quarterfinals of an Event for a “Skill Base Game” is definitely the way to do it!!! 😂😂😂
This game felt more like politics then Risk. Feels like a lot of high level fixed games are like that! I enjoy all your videos a lot but I think fog makes it so much enjoyable since there is a lot more unknown. Love to see your tourney videos as well, benched them all :) GG Pete!
Fog makes Fixed Zombies much better.
Really enjoyed reading the conversation between you and Xeroxee in the live chat after you were eliminated. Loved the passive-agressiveness.
Risk is a strategy game. Manipulating people is a strategy. And a skill. Don't see why people make a problem out of it. Well, besides of course jealousy...
Haha I think so many people underestimate the amount of interpersonal psychological skill possible in this game.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy Absolutely. I've never played risk and I've only watched your videos for two days now. But in the first video I saw, the first round of the first world championship of this year, you communicated with the white player that they should move their troops so you could pass through them. You did so with very little choice in phrases and by pointing your troops at them. Afterward, I could clearly see what kind of relationship you guys had, but also what kind of relationship you wanted him to think you had so that you had an advantage. If that isn't skill, I don't know what is.
Underthegun master of deception and persuasion.
Hope you stream again soon man, would love to finally catch you live :)
Yeah man! I'll be on again on Monday.
you lose some and you win some GGs Pete
Great content as always
I’m all lubed up and ready to go!!
Congrats on 16k!
Commenting for the algorithm ♥️
and the zombies decide it :P
well played.
I finally got over my anxiety about playing other people, and am having a blast! I even got practiced enough that I can play 60s without running out of time too often :} still just a novice trying to make my way in the Domination world!
Awesome. Enjoy your journey!
love your vids pete
Hi Pete, I really think you should organize a tournament so you could choose fair settings because this is painful to watch.
That's what I thought Risk Legends was going to be.
I will not be sponsoring another tournament unless I have veto power over the settings.
I’ve tried a new strategy where I camp in Australia. It works really well. Have you tried something like this before?
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I'm sure you've explained it at some point before, but why is an expert bot always included in the tournament matches? Is it necessary for hosting, or just to add a bit of a wild card?
It was necessary for hosting yeah
i feel like this game would be continuing right now if the zombies didn't happen to randomly infect a major stack. shame it happened to Pete, but the game likely wasn't going to be ended by those in the position to progress it.
Yeah these settings needed something to force the action.
Fog would be better.
Informal survey.
Zombies good.
Fog of war good.
Progressive cards good.
I think the discussion towards the end about how some of the games turned out has no perfect answer, however the same problems pop up in any social game.
It's impossible to completely separate what is known about a player or that person's influence from the game itself, that creates targets on a player that is known to be more skillful, or just blatantly more popular, at the same time generating advantages if they use their position outside the game to effect it.
On the whole, if used correctly, these advantages and disadvantages tend to in my mind even out in the end but that does require an individual to maximize advantages to push the edge.
That discussion can really only get you so far though because in the end everyone wants to win or at least go as far as they can.
I don't agree at all that it's wrong to press your advantages and covering or minimizing disadvantages, if you don't do that you're not playing the game whether those are directly from the game or not.
There becomes a meta within the meta of pressing advantages without pressing too far that people target you more and that's really the hardest part of playing a social game repeatedly with or infront of people you are going to play with in the future.
It's like exposing your strategies to people you are going to compete against, you want to use them to win the game you're currently in, but don't want to show everything so you can win the next.
Pete does walk this line really well in my opinion because (1) he owns this balance and is upfront about it (2) he knows what is too far and (3) he is honest and open about when others "assist" him more than it makes good game sense for them to do so.
Most of what makes it right or wrong in my opinion comes down to the way you take it and being upfront and honest is the best way to play it in game and the game within the game.
Pete just gets a slightly discerned set of negotiating tools than standard, ones that he helped set up beforehand
I love this take.
I've been trying to bring this aspect of the game to the forefront.
Since the ranking system has remained broken in favour of 1v1s many 'top' risk players see analytic calculation as the highest order skill in the game. But as you mentioned Risk is actually a social game and the psychological component is the one that interests me the most. And also the one I consider having the most strategic depth.
Yeeeeeeeees Big pp pete
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Pete was nice here
Would settings where each players position is blind (meaning you don't know who is playing what color) improve how tournament "meta" plays?
Depends on if it's a collab or no collab tournament.
I actually think it wouldn't be all that impactful but all hidden players would be the only fair way to do alts.
Have you considered playing Diplomacy? If not I HIGHLY suggest it. You would be GOOD
I have not. It looks very interesting.
Why I also suggest this is because it is an EXTREMELY fun game that needs more attention. Your fanbase would love it. Though Risk is awesome as well, Diplomacy is I believe much more fun. ua-cam.com/video/l53oL0ptt7k/v-deo.html
If you have the time I highly also suggest this video. I suggest all of it gives VERY good strategy but at least the first 30 minutes to more understand. ua-cam.com/video/S-DbX8DVEZw/v-deo.html
It is as simple as Risk only it has shall we say known set openings and strategies but it is nothing in the complex tactical realm as Chess.
So the game just randomly picks somebody to f***** out of nowhere? Great design for the Quarterfinals of a Competitive Event!!! 👍🏼
Just curious. Can you guys work together in the beginning to take out the zombies? Do they come back if they do?
Yeah do come back
How do you get the troop and territory counts next to each player? I play on mobile and on steam but haven't seen it, or an option in settings to turn it on.
S on the keyboard.
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You are right on it always Rawand!
There should be a Westeros Map for Risk
There is a board game Game of Thrones Risk
Are you actually located in Bhutan?
I'm from Toronto.
I can't make the twitch streams, so going to ask here, how can there be a tournament when the people in the tournament negotiate the positions they get? Doesn't that get rid of the skill of the game?
Long games on the table top was always the norm just as was alliances. Though I never seen a game where the players negotiate what order they go out for better points. I don't really understand that. To me that gets rid of the skills of this game.
Good question.
The negotiation part is the higher skill in the game imo
Not a lack of it.
Hello pet, how do i play a true random classic fixed 4-6 no bot friendly or not with you and the gang?
Join Discord and get in community games.
That was a weird one...
What does vcc stand for?
Verified Content Creator.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy I bet Reggie has Very Cool Cat 🐈
Super frustrating I can't look at others stats in mobile
You can only see player stats in play with friends mode.
Not global Dom.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy ohhhhh, well there you go.
I haven't played long enough to know. Saw a random video of yours and it got me hooked!
there were so many chances to take green out early before their army multiplied
the zombies come back. (because they are undead)
Under the gun went down in my esteem
Why?
@@TheKillPeteStrategy I'm just being petty
Hi Pete, been watching your videos religiously for months on end now and I'm hooked on Risk because of you. I know how much you like open and honest conversations so this isn't meant to be a criticism (as much as it's about to sound like it is XD).
However, do you think sometimes your behaviour can be a little arrogant and sore loser(ish)? I've seen you report people for collaborating and yet you seem very happy to do the same when it benefits you. Also using your popularity to get wins in some games and to manipulate your opponents into giving you the edge doesn't seem very sportsman like to me. I think self-reflection is the best quality someone can have and just wondering if you think about this or not?
This is coming from someone who is very self critical.
One thing to keep in mind in regards to him reporting people for collaborating is those games are supposed to be a random matching of players that don't have any association with each other, and the report is to investigate if those reported have a pattern of working together in games they play together. The instances where pete is actively negotiating with other players and trying to influence them to help him are in tournament settings where all players have the understanding that voice chat is allowed and part of the game.
The default to (over) report in global dom games is a good thing because we will help SMG manage the intractable problem of cheating on their platform.
Collaborating in play with friends mode is an integral part of the game of Risk. Perhaps that explains some of the discrepancy you're noticing.
I fight a battle with ego every day. I find it interesting how few people realized during my episode on arrogance that I was speaking about myself.
To your final point about the influence of popularity in an FFA game. Being 'good' and 'known to be good' is a disadvantage. Manipulating my opponents into giving a player an edge is the highest skill in the game of Risk.
Ello maté
Pete you became to soft with these player early on the giving up the bridge. I think you choose your value system over a win on risk! Shows some character of you as a sportsman!
I can't win this tournament anyways since I'm sponsoring it.
I've been watching a lot of your videos but still havent seen a single fixed game that was fun to watch. It's always a turtle fest decided on someone getting bored or people ganging up.
The finesse/skill disappears when you can talk directly with your opponents. I like alliances cause you never really know what was meant with a "ping" etc. and its less personal - tactics only ;)
Manipulating other people in VC requires the most skill!
@The Kill Pete Strategy I guess you are right, but different skills. Vc-games reminds me of the real "game" we all play, which we dream about and is on 24/7.
I know you are against players who uses multiple accounts and in my eyes this is kind of the same. Lets say you and two bodies decides to destroy 3 other players - then its easy to win and you get to choice who is placed 1, 2 and 3. So why even play? I bet you could have decidet that without even playing the game.
Gaming skill in Risk is, in my eyes, when nobody knows you, you play with limited info about your opponents and wins alot. Just like Pete on fixed fridays.
Just my thoughts - love you content and person! ;)
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Not a fan of all thenplayers in VC it kills suspence and tactic talk from pete haha
Likeability as a skill is a bit rose-tinted. Even of the few people I have swayed over the course of my life, it has always been temporary. It feels more like it's based on a hidden charisma stat than any sort of measure of performance. I see worse attempts work and better attempts fail frequently.
I’d love to play this game but it’s to rng for me so I guess I’ll stick to watching
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There's a line where the game is over because y'all couldn't work together to prevent the zombie invasion! Playing defensively is one thing, but the longer zombies hold territories and kill player territories, the worse the outcome of the game is. Focusing on the mutual enemy seems to me to be the proper way to play the game.
If you kill off the zombies they re infect.
It's not like the zombies actually ATTACKED Pete and broke him, the settings allow a random territory to be "infected". It literally infected one of his biggest stacks, which ruined the game.
@@Max_Griswald I was referring to the statement made at 1:19:00. It wasn't anyone's fault that Pete died, other than the other grandmasters playing in their own interest.
As soon as i heard green accent i can tell what is going on. He is Russian. Doesn't work well with others.
Pete haha, horrible at spelling, maybe inform us all in the next video or any other way, Im not that good on social
I enjoy watching your videos, must say Risk is not for me. I hate it when games stall out for short periods fo time let alone close to an hour.
Pete i must admit i skip this videos when i hear other guys :( . enjoy more just listening to you
No worries. I have 100s of videos of just me.
I personally think you all are playing risk incorrectly its 2 passive which causes these long games ive been watching you alot latly but evrey game has seen very similar evreyone builds up as much as they can in fear of getting teamed up on which offence can be defence in the idea of stopping bonuses is the same as perserving bonuses but im not a master of risk and im sure this is just the "meta" but i wish taking more lands would mean something in risk over just taking 1 land and sitting for the card cuz than it really just comes down to luck of the draw on locations i also think the idea of making allainces in this game is bs and also slows the game down evreyone should just make the choices thats best for them
Feel free to think what you'd like. But keep an open mind Sir. You will learn much about the game the more you dig into it.
Gonna be honest, not a fan of zombies mode.
Fixed zombies is better with fog.
Found this channel and have bingewatched all week while sick. Seems to me you really blew your chances of winning this game back at the 19 or 20 minute mark. You had stabilized and locked down your farm, and controlled the hallway leading to the next one on the right.
Instead of aggressively seeking to secure that farm, you were content to let the Zombies have it, and they eventually infested you anyway. It would have cost you a lot of troops early on, and taken a number of turns, but securing that farm would have more than made up for it in the long run. You would have quickly gained the lead in troops and been able to dictate the course of the game better.
Clearly no one was interested in coming after you. Any reasons why you did not go after it?
Secondly, at the 23:30 mark, you abandoned the crossroads, and let Black and Orange start receiving cards. Any reason why? I'd have pointed to the zombies and told them to earn their own card. It's not like they are particularly hard to kill, and having those 2 fighting the zombies advances your game plan as well.
Orange expended way too many troops fighting zombies for a card, which was giving Black a free card as well. Tyler seems to have played that poorly, though I realize he was in a tight spot.
This was a very poor game all around, IMO. What is your recap? Love watching your vids, and I've learned a lot.
Recap is since I couldn't win this tournament anyways I had no real incentive to play my best.
Hopefully next season we get good settings like no prog caps and no fogless fixed zombies.
I don't like the matches where you guys are all in discord. It's too much of social engineering and not so much strategy. The person with Charisma and ability to communicate will often get a more advantageous position because of communication skills which is important in warfare but this is a strategy game not Among us. At least in alliance mode your limited on what you can say so things can be mis interrupted or not understood. But the game is significantly better to watch as a viewer when the games aren't discord games.
Now Discord games where fog of war is on and alliances is off would be great because then it becomes an actual tactic how much information you give away and too who. But the first hour of this game is hard to watch because of the fact you are in discord and we all know what is going to happen.
I'm speaking to pure entertainment value of your content. Fog of war, no alliance discord games are much more enjoyable to watch. Of course this is just my opinion and I might differ from the rest of people which I often do lol. Thanks for the videos.
Edit: At 1:06 you actually talk about what I'm saying. This was hard to watch. All the games where everyone is in discord are hard to watch for me though.
The social engineering is the higher strategic skillset. Most people do not understand this about Risk.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy Yes but your content is better when you are describing your thoughts and what you think the others might be doing. Even alliance mode is okay since your guessing what they are thinking as opposed to them just outright saying KILL BLACK. Discord turns the content into 2 people winning 1 person being quite and hoping everyone forgot they were there then 3 people haggling to get into the 2/3 person winning pact that was completely determined by random placement from auto or who got to place first and the following discussion about where to place.
That said if you had fog of war on then discord becomes more interesting because we don't know if they are lying or not. Which is what Among us is with social engineering and people lying. Risk with discord and no fog of war is just a slog to watch. We often know the outcome after the first 5 minutes of gameplay. But I'm just a random dude lol. Just my opinion. Your past 15k subs and I don't stream so I don't really know. Was just an observation from your video's that I actually watch and ones I skip.
Well that game sucked to watch ngl 😂 didn't really seem skill based at all just bullshit and waiting until zombies decide who dies
Yeah I was pretty disappointed with the settings so far.
Yep these types of modes have no place in a tourney of a “Skill Based Game.” Should do the utmost to use Modes and Settings that ensure Games are decided by player based decisions and not 99% Computer Generated RNG & 1% Player Choices!!!
You spent way too much time protecting white and purple from Zombies.
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Fixed is so boring
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Wide open chat makes the game worse and longer than it should be. You're channel doesn't need it.
It's my favourite way to play.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy You loss rate is higher when you play your "favorite way". Good fun to have drinks over, but neither mathematically or economically sound. Goes for everything.