Every time I mentally set a 2 hour timer for myself while playing the game, I went over 7-8 hours a day. And every time I said "Okay, After I do this one thing I'll stop playing for the day" and than I kept playing after I did said thing. I was honestly shocked how much fun I was having fun with the game, and that's something I haven't for a Sonic game in a long time
I love all the sonictubers but yeah sam just has a certain charisma. Maybe part of that also has to do with the fact hes usually one of the more positive ones. Not to knock the more critical tubers but as the saying goes "youll attract more bees with honey than vinegar"
This is how I honestly felt. Sure, the game has it's quirks (I think they were trying to figure out what fans wanted more of), but this is the most fun I had with a Sonic game in a very very long time. I felt like a kid playing the original 3D games (around the SA1-SA2 era) again. Like I'm really excited about the next iteration. Also never ever in my years of playing sonic games did I ever think "They need to make the Super Sonic moments more insane." now after Frontiers, the bar has been set very high to me.😄
I could see Sage coming back with her memories backed up from this game and Sonic still having conflict with Eggman but Sage coming coming to terms with Eggman being an evil villain. Eggman wasn’t really the villain in this game so Sage hasn’t really had to come to terms with her creator’s ill intent. Her next appearance could have her actually being more conflicted with being more helpful to Sonic vs following Eggman’s orders. Also.. bring back the Babylon Rogues, even outside of a Riders setting.
This is definitely one of my most favourite sonic games, does have it flaws but anything I thought was bad wasn’t that awful. It has a lot of good and is much better than what we had in the past decade. The story and combat and open world and even cyberspace was a lot of fun. Graphics are beautiful and the soundtrack is amazing. Hopefully they can improve and learn and they push themselves to make better and better and not have the “sonic cycle” as it’s called. Idk what they are gonna do next after the dlc for the game, weather its Frontiers 2 or Adventure 3 or something else, just hope they can pull it off, cause they are capable of making good games.
1:53:35 I'm sure someone else has already brought this up on twitter by now but the ancient that was talking about moving the Chaos Emeralds to the Master Emerald looked SUSPICIOUSLY echidna-like
The End's purpose in the JP version is the protection of all lives and giving them a chance to deviate from fragile physical bodies. Basically the same as what Sage originally tried to do. Then, the point here is the fact that the one who finally finishes The End is Sage. Her character development culminates when she overcomes the existence she might have ended up being without Sonic and Eggman.
I truly think Eggman and Sage are the very heart of the story. It's such a relief and well needed change for the series as well as Eggman as a character. They could have easily done the whole "Sage betray Eggman" stick, but I'm glad they didn't. Eggman for once feels pride in one of his creations, and the reason why Sage does everything within her power to help Eggman is not just because it's part of her function, but it's also because she wants to be loved. Seeing Eggman's character growth of loving Sage as his own daughter felt natural and surprisingly wholesome, while also being believable with the Egg Memos. I hope they continue exploring this side of Eggman, and I also hope Sage returns as a reoccurring character in the series. We need more father daughter moments with them, and it would be interesting to see how Sage gets along with Orbot, Cubot, and Metal Sonic.
I think they implied that this is still the same Sage from before at the end credit scene. So hearing this discussion on what's going to be the future of this character is a good observation
the ancient's spirits in the titan being revived at the ending wouldve made it one of the best endings even if it was a shooter, i never realized all this untill watching this video thank you guys i love this game even more now
Sage has potential to be Eggmans version of Midna from Zelda or "Glitch" from Ratchet and clank if Sonic team were interested implementing her in any gameplay or just keep her for character building to bounce off of like Chip with sonic
The way I interpret the ancients disappearing, is the ones that stayed behind somehow using their lives to help imprison The End. It claims "My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines."
Everyone's saying the Sonic corruption arc would've been cool to build up to a new form, but honestly? I legitimately thought that when Tails, Amy and Knuckles all went to save him, a small part of me got really excited because I thought the game was about to throw a left hook and have you play as all of them inside cyberspace in order to save Sonic. Similar to what SA2 did and even 06, having you play through each of them in order to remove the corruption. Of course I was disappointed when he was fine immediately and nothing else happened.
Yeah. I personally kinda feel like giving Sonic new form from that corruption would just lowkey send the message that 'it's ok to be reckless' I also wished they'd play with it a lot more though, honestly. It kinda made the stake there null with that move.
Yep but also I've seen people theorize that the multiple character DLC actually takes place when that happens because in the picture there still in there cyber states and the picture of the Island was Ouranos but idk it's just a theory
I wanted to note about one of eggman memos is that he was planning to salvage the ancients technology but the only thing he could get is sage. But by getting sage, eggman may have some means of rebuilding the ancients technology
1:32:32 After watching that Sage emotional cutscene again, I noticed they specifically put in clips of moments where Sage was feeling surprised/hopeful. What they could have done is add in lines of dialogue that were important. “Home?” “Does that make them… like my brothers?” “I’ll integrate you into my system, give you access to the whole eggnet.“ “I would like that very much…” This would give more justification as to why Sage is sad, because she fears Eggman only sees her as just another one of his creations no matter how hard she tried rather than a family born of love.
I have never felt a dev team "soul searching" more than I did playing this game Its not exactly aimless, but you can tell they're not nearly as confident with this one as pass titles. Feels like they're really wanting to see if they're on to something with this It very much reminds me of Doom 2016 in that sense. That game was very much a playground test for future games before they confidently put their best foot forward with Eternal If nothing else, this game makes me excited for what they could do next, especially with Sega already looking to bring more talent into Sonic Team
I don't think the end is gone. I remember it mention that you are fighting an "incarnation" of it. It also says something along the lines of "doesn't matter what form I take" which means that "moon" can be one of it's many faces.
Sam was mentioning how he was playing 1-2 for 2 hours on stream, I was actually speedrunning 1-2 for probably half of this video because I liked listening to the discussion while playing
Im saying this before finishing the video, so apologies if they mention this in the video. But I think one element that they can add to the open zone, is do what they did in Unleashed's Hub world and give rewards for exploring secret or hidden parts of the island. Imagine taking the time to traverse to a difficult spot and as a reward you get a CD that lets you play music from the series instead of just a seed of power/defense. Or you open a chest in the little houses they have scattered around and get a new cosmetic to put on sonic. I'd love the idea of getting Soap shoes, werehog cleats, the sonic riders shoes or sunglasses as a reward for exploring!
I'm really glad you guys brought up the Amy problem in Frontiers where it feels like Sega's continual overcorrection of her character because of fan outcry (when honestly, I feel as if fans always overcorrected or exaggerated her character). When the entire point before with Amy was that she was specifically designed to be annoying, and the ending punchline being her and Sonic wouldn't be a thing. Even so, Sega's choice to make her more melodramatic comes off as appealing to fans and critics who wanted that side of her gone, in exchange for making her "more mature" as if it suddenly makes her better. When they did the opposite. Instead of overfocusing on her love for Sonic, it's no longer apart of her character and is now just reduced to the Girl of Sonic's crew. Rather than balancing both her fangirl side but showcasing how mature she is with her emotions. Amy's character development in Frontiers is great character work, the problem is Amy herself no longer has any character to make the impact hold any weight. It would've been better if she had shown up and gave off her fangirl persona toward Sonic after the gang separated, then when she and Sonic have that moment after her experience with the Koco decides she wants to focus on her own goals that don't just relate to Sonic. When Amy was a fangirl she had actual character flaws, she was temperamental, rushed into things without thinking and obsessive. Fans act like Frontiers "changed her" when it's the same persona she's had since Lost World only now she's more melodramatic and has screentime. Her characterization is still just "Girl" that's her personality now. And considering they are tying in this new maturity from the IDW comics, which develops her crush on Sonic post Forces they aren't doing a good job transitioning because Amy has a character in IDW whereas in the 2010's era and Frontiers she doesn't. You don't say a character is improved by removing their character, it's like people have skewed visions of what makes a character if they are thinking removing personality is better. Even when Amy scolds Sonic in Frontiers it has no emotional weight to it. The actress also comes off as if she's trying to imitate Amy's Boom persona, only Amy's Boom persona had an actual personality and character flaws, which were even similar to Pre-2010s Amy. Amy no longer has character flaws or a character, she's just mature, but now what? Her character develop is nice like I said, but it's coming off the fact she doesn't have a character to develop on anymore. Her character since Lost World now just amounts to Reserved Girl. Again, Amy should be allowed to have goals that don't just relate to Sonic, that's why her development in Frontiers is great, it's just that if this came off her older persona with more personality it would've hit stronger. Especially since Adventure 1 balanced her crush on Sonic with her caring nature. This is more apparent when you transition Amy to Tails and Knuckles, who's flaws are not only referenced in their character arcs but are used to develop them organically. And they HAVE the personalities that make it work.
I agree. I like Amy because her character was very unique and different compared to other main female leads where most of their character trait is "The nice girl" or "Just girl" type and unfortunately Amy has been turned into the latter. I like her fangirling toward Sonic. Its very funny and allowed her to stand out over other girls like Princess Peach.
I like the idea of Sage as a character and what they were trying to do with her relationship with Eggman, but it was highly evident they didn't have enough budget and room for enough cinematics to pull it off fully and make that development completely convincing. And yeah, that humming sad flashback of hers with scenes that had just happened was hilarious. They needed more to work with to flesh everything out. I like Eggman having a more competent ally to bounce things off of though. I also interpreted the end scene as Eggman having somehow recovered Sage rather than rebuilding her, as she came back online already calling him father. Which she didn't start doing until later into the game.
im still new to sonic, its only been a couple months, but ive gotten fammiliar with chaomix and sam over that time and fadel more recently when i saw him hyping on twitter and they come togehter now for this, this feels really cool
Sonic Frontiers is like the first Sonic movie for me It was enjoyable, I liked it, and a really good foundation for a sequel Now if they can make a hot sequel to this like they did with Movie 2, it could truly be one of the greatest games in the whole franchise
This might be long comment, so please bear with me... 1:41:00 I felt the EXACT same way. Could you guys imagine for just a second, if instead of them just pulling deus ex machina to bring sonic back, they pulled an '06 and gave tails, knuckles and amy their own separate playable levels to get the emeralds? Once they had the emeralds, they learn that their power alone wasn't enough. They needed something else. (It was at this part where I really wish they had fleshed out the dynamic between sonic and sage more.) Sage blatantly stated earlier in the game that she pretty much knew everything about sonic and anything to do with him,' his ideologies, the enemies he's fought, everything. All of it was there, just locked behind cyberspace once he fully turned. At this point she was flickering between light and dark cyber energies, so what if at this point sage was able to somehow fuse with sonics cyber corruption, her "light side" cancelling it out? That, combined with the emeralds power could've segued into a Cyber version of super sonic, (ie "Cyber Sonic) with him flickering between black and red and cyan and white hues like sage does towards endgame. Moveset would basically stay the same as normal super sonic, except you can switch between light and dark versions of these movesets. The Supreme bossfight would have added mechanics revolving around these new movesets, having to switch between light and dark forms respectively depending on what the boss is doing. Once the fight is over, sage would defuse from sonic and the cutscene would play out like normal, except instead of Sage taking control of supreme alone, she fuses back with Sonic, then its Cyber Sonic that takes control of Supreme. Cutscenes ends normally, but before we cut to The End, another cutscene plays out as follows: The camera slowly pans out, tilting up to show the sky. The infamous "ZAP" symbol appears, glowing a bright cyan before releasing countless glowing orbs, the same ones that were released from the Koco's bodies after you helped them. They begin dispersing to each island in groups, each group merging with the debris of each Titan left behind from super sonic from earlier in the game, showing Giganto, Wyvern and Knight all glowing cyan instead of red. A short sequence of ghostly apparitions of the Ancients follows, having them once again manning their Titans, albeit only for a moment to join cyber sonic in space. Queue the cutscene introducing The End. Sonic's dialogue addressed to the ancients now makes complete sense with them actually BEING there with him. A phase of the fight would still be Touhou, only this time Cyber Sonic switches from Titan to Titan, using their different movesets to fight alongside the Ancients, the former party avenging the entire race, and the latter party finishing what they started and finally at peace. Qte's and cutscene play out as normal, except both the ancients and Sage sacrifice themselves to finally put down a threat lasting generations. Geez that was a lot, kudos to anyone who actually decides to read this! As much as I love this game, the final act of the narrative bugged me a bit, this is basically how I would change it.
I don't think Eggman rebuilt sage I think he recovered her. And with the pause he does right before I think he might have also had to recover something to do with the end
I feel that the end could act in sonic games like morpho knight in Kirby except for different forms of it. Something that comes for beings that have lived past their expiration date in life.
I took Sage's restorations as her being connected to Cyberspace and her code still being connected, so Eggman was able to restore her from that. I saw it as being the same Sage, my hope is maybe the next couple games her and Eggman are allies
To bad didn't get Jcbackfire on this cause I'm pretty sure he's a big Sonic fan too. If you don't know who he is, he's a twitch streamer. He was part among the CoD Zombies streamers which he still keeps in touch with other CoD Zombie streamers. But I do know he supportive when comes to communities in gaming and maybe some other areas too. But when it come to Sonic he is pretty passionate when comes Story, Music and gameplay stuff.
Islands 1, 4 and 5 are all the same island. If you break out of bounds you'll find the full islands of the others, just no objects or enemies will be loaded. I did so by accident trying to launch into the Titan fight early. Of course I couldn't get back and soft locked that save file with out any enemies to launch myself back in bounds and no fast travel unlocked yet.
I'm calling it here. the ancients are NOT gone. they ARE the chao. knuckles says they went to angel island and there are chao there to this day. it's the perfect link between the ancients, the chao and chaos. the ancients original forms are the chao which have regressed over time back to their original form. the only one to not regress was chaos who was the guard of the master emerald
my theory too! Eggman says in one of his logs that the Ancients had their DNA degrade until they were unrecognizable. I really think that’s referring to the Ancients devolving into chao
Okay but this was so cool to listen to, especially the Super Sonic & Story stuff! Just Sonic fans sitting down together to talk about the lore of Frontiers, trying to explain things like the final boss etc
So playing through it I thought we were gonna find out that angel island was once a part of the starfall islands and that ancients evolved into the echidna (this was before I noticed that they were just descendants of chaos) now I think the ancients evolved into chao which then one of them got corrupted by the emeralds and that’s how chaos came to be and why he looks like the ancients.
To add to this angel island being a part of the starfall islands at one point would actually explain a lot. 1, why the ancients specifically settled there and that their influence is felt no where else on mobius. 2 why is there a portal in sky sanctuary complete with a deceased koco too. Knuckles specifically mentions a piece of ruins on Aries that looks like something from angel island. It would be interesting if the next game focuses on the ancients connection to the master emerald and angel island.
spoilers for Sage: Personally I think they have a long term plan for her, I don't think Eggman bringing back Sage was a "good" thing, he actually hesitates before pressing the button, the cyberspace logo and just how the end works in it's corruption of tech, I also believe that if a reboot was so easy I feel like Sage would've seen it coming. Personally I think if he backed her up from cyberspace, either she is infected with the end, or he has brought the end back with her and I think he's aware of it. Which is actually a perfect parallel to Gerald, Eggman's willing to risk his entire empire and the entire world to bring her back and there's a lot of potential in that idea I think. In SA2 Eggman's even confused as to why his grandfather wanted to destroy the world, it's given him something to relate to his grandfather on.
So the final boss was something that originally disappointed me. But I took some time to listen to the music, and I re-fought it, and I have to say I love this. Despite the boss throwing everything at you and constantly talking down to you, the hopeful music carries on. You carry on. And you always will.
I had the same problem with the skill points. I personally feel the best way to avoid that stagnation in the next game would be not just to expand Sonic's skill tree, but maybe every island has a second character with their own, albeit smaller, skill tree and you can swap back and forth between them and Sonic. This way, even when you get to the final island even if you have everything on Sonic's skill tree unlocked there's still something to use your skill points on because you just unlocked a new character with their own skill tree. I get doing that in this game might've been a bit too much since they had to prove they can simply do open world first, but I feel like this would work well in a sequel now that they know what they're doing. Enjoyed the discussion guys! Great video as always.
You guys hit the nail on the head for a lot of stuff I loved and got annoyed with about the story. I remember a rumor/leak that corrupted Sonic was supposed to have a boss fight with Sage and the fact that you don't fight her at all plus the corruption just gets dealt with so quickly makes me think it was up for consideration. I also agree about Amy where she felt way too grounded and kind of devoid of distinct character. Even in the opening cutscene in the Tornado, Amy gives a very bland "how exciting" whereas in prior games she'd have been way more energetic, especially coming off the prelude comic where she had been having a blast bonking bots. In contrast, I have been gushing about Sonic's characterization in this game for the past week. He's so much more serious but still himself like you guys talk about. Sonic gives Amy space to let the morbid flashback of the Ancients settle, Sonic understands Knuckles' distress over the temple being attacked and doesn't mock him for it, Sonic is like the super cool big brother to Tails in so many ways - even more when you consider Find Your Flame's lyrics, and Sonic even tries to spend awhile reasoning with Sage who just won't talk to him. But Sonic will also have the funniest bits mixed in like the goal ring joke and being a smartass with Knuckles or snarky with Tails worrying he was slowing Sonic down and it's actually perfect. His silent smirk upon going Super Sonic against Giganto and his smile later when Sage asked how he could keep smiling through the pain, he felt like all of that and a hero again and it really felt like the Sonic I missed since Unleashed/Black Knight. Hearing the closing thoughts, I'm just really happy at how optimistic the fanbase is despite admitting it's a flawed game. Post-Forces felt like so much doom and apathy, but Post-Frontiers now - there's so much excitement in the air. Really feels like the franchise has been revitalized. Loved listening to you guys talk.
having never played sonic adventure i think making a new adventure style game with or without the boost would be a great opportunity to make new fans see what made the adventure games great and also make the old adventure fans happy, plus i think momentum sounds fun and i wanna experience that in a actual sonic game and not roboblast 2 lmao
It's honestly crazy no on thought about adding this type of combat to Sonic before, it's legit such a fun part of the game. It remindse of Smash Bros, just really satisfying gameplay
Regarding with the Parry controls, I think it's intended to be able to hold the shoulder buttons, because if it's just hitting the 2 shoulder button with no way to hold it, it would be way too strict, especially when you have to also consider that Sonic is also a kids game too. It would just be a little hard for kids to understand it.
It wouldn't be that much strict if there's a window of like 1 or half a second. You do raise a good point about kids not understanding it. I'm kinda agreeing with the notion that the parry control being held should just be Easy mode only thing tho. If you're playing on Hard Mode, these infinite parries can make a lot of things trivial Not to mention that Sonic floats on air indefinitely when you parry, which makes the laser-skipping challenge completely null and void
I want to know what’s going on with the broken purple Master Emerald on Ares Island. Also it’s weird how Knuckles looks at the ruins and remembers the beginning of Angel Island. I always thought that was a cliff at the beginning of Sonic 3 but they make it seem like those are supposed to be ruins.
Commenting as I listen, but I really do love that the combat incentivizes you to use different types of moves (ie enemies that require cyloop, enemies that require rail or run dodging, enemies that have to be parried, ect) because even if a move isnt used very often or super necessary, there will be things that force you to engage with the mechanic at least a little bit. as such, i found even moves i wouldnt personally default to in mindless grinding, i had to at least feel out a few times or were periodically reminded of when i had to use them. i like varying up my combos just because it feels fun and nice, but beyond that, i do like that most wider mechanics find a "place" in these bosses where they have some sort of consistent relevancy, and i hope they expand on the idea of needing to know how to attack a boss to get to that point where you can take it out in one phase by wailing on it intuitively
57:18 I think the stage you're talking about is 1-6. It's the 2D Green Hill Zone stage inspired by GHZ Act 1 From Generations. I remember this stage being quite tight as well. 1-2 and 1-6 are the hardest Cyberspace stages imo.
I'm gotta be really honest, I've never played Sonic Lost World and I don't hate it. It's just that it's so crazy that we went from Sonic Lost World's Mario/cartoon like bosses and boss music, which I don't hate the Deadly Six and Eggman(Final boss) and their music btw, to Sonic Frontiers' giant mecha like Titan bosses that have the same power level as Super Sonic with one of the most hardcore metal music, well no metal for the last Titan, but still a banger. The Titans' music really hit hard like Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry, which I've never played these games before. From Zomom who loves to eat and is always hungry, to Wyvern, a dragon like Titan in rage, with long claws and can fire missiles from it's body, powerful enough to destroy an entire city like Perfect Chaos. It's an amazing experience to see and use Super Sonic more than one time. I really love Sonic Frontiers, the best game they've ever made. And yes, even though The End(True final boss) was lame, I still enjoyed the game and the Titan fights. I really hope Sonic Team continues making these kind of bosses in the future. And also, Wyvern and the music “Break Through It All,” is my number one favorite Titan and music than the other three Titans and their music.
I think The End killed the rest of the Ancients on earth when it and the Group of ancients inside the Titans were in Space about to fight because one ancient says “it killed them” as if it had just happened and then they say they won’t let their sacrifice be for nothing, though I may be wrong I’m doing my 2nd playthrough now
i’m pretty sure the “them” that ancient was referring to was the original pilot of Supreme (the one who said they would have the End bind to their Titan)
I’m not gonna lie, this is my opinion, but I feel as though they should incorporate the elements of Sonic ‘06 (multiple playable characters, full roaming action stages, multiplayer modes and different campaigns that tells their own story) with Frontiers (open zone hub worlds, improved fighting mechanic system, story lore and the super sonic fights) combined them into one big super game later on. Frontiers is great, but I want to see them push it all the way out the door.
Yeah. Sonic Team trying to give us a game like 06 but this time give it all the time it needs would be great, but we all know that won't happened. We won't ever get a game as ambitious as 06 again. Frontiers isn't as ambitions as I would hope for a game that takes 5 years to make.
Sam: "In unleashed they act like 06 never happened" ... But 06 DID never happened. That game erased itself out of the canon when they blew the flame of Solaris out
[STORY SPOILER IN 2ND SECTION] Yeah, the whole storyline here feels like it's foreshadowing something along the line of SA3, but that's going to be such a tough line to break, and definitely not doable with the kind of budget they keep getting. All in all though, I feel like Open Zone would be incredible if they can get the formula perfected (SA3 would need at least that). I'm in the opinion that the Ancients' evolve-devolve stage into Chaos is : Ancient -> Chao -> Chaos. I excluded the Koco from the stage because they seem more like an echo of a living being than an actual living being. Kinda like a haunt of sorts. Also, not sure if I agree with new form (agreed with the conclusion being anticlimatic though), because the corruption does indirectly come from his hasty, albeit completely justified, decision. I probably would've been more forgiving if the whole thing is resolved at the end of the story rather than in the middle of it
But there are a lot of loops in the OZ... Most of them are just in the air, on rails and the mid-wall running stuff... As for the parry, Kishimoto did state it was time based but he changed it due to playtest feedback. He also stated enemies used to require more damage to defeat but was also changed.
Oh yeah another thing no one ever seems to mention is in the first post credits scene where the gang is setting up the plane to leave Amy mentions Going to see Cream and STICKS. Does this mean boom is actually cannon and actually happened cause I have like 50 questions about that!
I love going back to these videos and seeing all of the sonictubers asking for a parry, only for them to all hate it in update three, not counting Unleashed who enjoyed it until playing on extreme..
Just thought about it. This reminds me of Asura's Wrath. The fights in those games were so over the top. Cyber connect2, the people that made the Ninja Storm games, they need to work with Sega and just get the next game to be massive
I don't want momentum in the next game, I love the boost and I want to keep the boost and I'm 100% they will keep the boost if Frontiers will be succesful
Last comment LOL, but I think the best direction for Sonic Team to go from here is just an improved system from Frontiers, and just add some additional characters. Playing a titan fight that's accustomed to Tails or Knuckles' play style would be the rawest thing imaginable.
I actually kind of like chaos island despise amount of 2d part there are, you can actually use surrounding or skip the jump/dash pad to perform a lot of 3d to 2d trick, and it is kind of fun finding the way to break these 2d course.
yakuza studio have 300+ employee (checking on wikipedia) come on sega, add some people to sonic team, kinda feel sorry for 60 people that develop this game with tight deadline
My boy, I am a classic Sonic expert who worked with Sonic game logic code for years. We can talk and I will reveal some extremely obscure secrets to you.
Every time I mentally set a 2 hour timer for myself while playing the game, I went over 7-8 hours a day. And every time I said "Okay, After I do this one thing I'll stop playing for the day" and than I kept playing after I did said thing. I was honestly shocked how much fun I was having fun with the game, and that's something I haven't for a Sonic game in a long time
me too! it was so frustrating because the game came out in the middle of my final exams period and it was so hard for me to not get distracted.
I once played the game for 10 hours straight 💀
The Sonic council has spoken
We have arrived…
“I love democracy, I love sonic”
No adventure fa.... Oh I mean No Premydaremy= No sonic council
@@Artist_Moment Yup. Premydagoat was missing.
The true Chaos Council
Every time I see a collab with sam involved, I always tune in. Lol
HELL YA
@@GamesCage yea, he the guy makes me die all the time
Sam is the Goat Sonictuber
I love all the sonictubers but yeah sam just has a certain charisma. Maybe part of that also has to do with the fact hes usually one of the more positive ones. Not to knock the more critical tubers but as the saying goes "youll attract more bees with honey than vinegar"
This won't be the same without Premy linking his non-Sonic channel (Link in the description).
LOL
This is how I honestly felt. Sure, the game has it's quirks (I think they were trying to figure out what fans wanted more of), but this is the most fun I had with a Sonic game in a very very long time. I felt like a kid playing the original 3D games (around the SA1-SA2 era) again. Like I'm really excited about the next iteration. Also never ever in my years of playing sonic games did I ever think "They need to make the Super Sonic moments more insane." now after Frontiers, the bar has been set very high to me.😄
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I could see Sage coming back with her memories backed up from this game and Sonic still having conflict with Eggman but Sage coming coming to terms with Eggman being an evil villain. Eggman wasn’t really the villain in this game so Sage hasn’t really had to come to terms with her creator’s ill intent. Her next appearance could have her actually being more conflicted with being more helpful to Sonic vs following Eggman’s orders.
Also.. bring back the Babylon Rogues, even outside of a Riders setting.
This is definitely one of my most favourite sonic games, does have it flaws but anything I thought was bad wasn’t that awful. It has a lot of good and is much better than what we had in the past decade. The story and combat and open world and even cyberspace was a lot of fun. Graphics are beautiful and the soundtrack is amazing. Hopefully they can improve and learn and they push themselves to make better and better and not have the “sonic cycle” as it’s called. Idk what they are gonna do next after the dlc for the game, weather its Frontiers 2 or Adventure 3 or something else, just hope they can pull it off, cause they are capable of making good games.
W Crossover, want more like this in the future! 💜
I’ll try!!
3 of my favorite Sonic UA-camrs in one place (best crossover since Super Smash Bros)
YEEAAAHHHH
1:53:35 I'm sure someone else has already brought this up on twitter by now but the ancient that was talking about moving the Chaos Emeralds to the Master Emerald looked SUSPICIOUSLY echidna-like
The End's purpose in the JP version is the protection of all lives and giving them a chance to deviate from fragile physical bodies. Basically the same as what Sage originally tried to do. Then, the point here is the fact that the one who finally finishes The End is Sage. Her character development culminates when she overcomes the existence she might have ended up being without Sonic and Eggman.
Sonic, Shadow and Silver at the round table lol 🦔💙🤍🖤, great video guys‼️
YEAAAAAHHHH
I truly think Eggman and Sage are the very heart of the story. It's such a relief and well needed change for the series as well as Eggman as a character. They could have easily done the whole "Sage betray Eggman" stick, but I'm glad they didn't. Eggman for once feels pride in one of his creations, and the reason why Sage does everything within her power to help Eggman is not just because it's part of her function, but it's also because she wants to be loved.
Seeing Eggman's character growth of loving Sage as his own daughter felt natural and surprisingly wholesome, while also being believable with the Egg Memos. I hope they continue exploring this side of Eggman, and I also hope Sage returns as a reoccurring character in the series. We need more father daughter moments with them, and it would be interesting to see how Sage gets along with Orbot, Cubot, and Metal Sonic.
I think they implied that this is still the same Sage from before at the end credit scene. So hearing this discussion on what's going to be the future of this character is a good observation
wasn’t expecting this crossover W
Holy Shit It's The Person Who Hates Adventure 1 And The Person Who Hate Wisps And The Person Hates Tails
You guys better do a part 2 when all the updates are released, Just to see how much the game changed
100%
36:51 So you are telling me you don't press when the attack hits you can just hold it that would've made every boss so much easier
the ancient's spirits in the titan being revived at the ending wouldve made it one of the best endings even if it was a shooter, i never realized all this untill watching this video thank you guys i love this game even more now
Sage has potential to be Eggmans version of Midna from Zelda or "Glitch" from Ratchet and clank if Sonic team were interested implementing her in any gameplay or just keep her for character building to bounce off of like Chip with sonic
Mmmm YES
You could have a podcast with those two and it'd be great fun to listen to
The way I interpret the ancients disappearing, is the ones that stayed behind somehow using their lives to help imprison The End.
It claims "My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines."
Everyone's saying the Sonic corruption arc would've been cool to build up to a new form, but honestly? I legitimately thought that when Tails, Amy and Knuckles all went to save him, a small part of me got really excited because I thought the game was about to throw a left hook and have you play as all of them inside cyberspace in order to save Sonic. Similar to what SA2 did and even 06, having you play through each of them in order to remove the corruption. Of course I was disappointed when he was fine immediately and nothing else happened.
Yeah. I personally kinda feel like giving Sonic new form from that corruption would just lowkey send the message that 'it's ok to be reckless'
I also wished they'd play with it a lot more though, honestly. It kinda made the stake there null with that move.
Yep but also I've seen people theorize that the multiple character DLC actually takes place when that happens because in the picture there still in there cyber states and the picture of the Island was Ouranos but idk it's just a theory
I wanted to note about one of eggman memos is that he was planning to salvage the ancients technology but the only thing he could get is sage. But by getting sage, eggman may have some means of rebuilding the ancients technology
1:32:32 After watching that Sage emotional cutscene again, I noticed they specifically put in clips of moments where Sage was feeling surprised/hopeful. What they could have done is add in lines of dialogue that were important. “Home?” “Does that make them… like my brothers?” “I’ll integrate you into my system, give you access to the whole eggnet.“ “I would like that very much…” This would give more justification as to why Sage is sad, because she fears Eggman only sees her as just another one of his creations no matter how hard she tried rather than a family born of love.
Yes I agree LOL
I have never felt a dev team "soul searching" more than I did playing this game
Its not exactly aimless, but you can tell they're not nearly as confident with this one as pass titles. Feels like they're really wanting to see if they're on to something with this
It very much reminds me of Doom 2016 in that sense. That game was very much a playground test for future games before they confidently put their best foot forward with Eternal
If nothing else, this game makes me excited for what they could do next, especially with Sega already looking to bring more talent into Sonic Team
Exactly 😭😭😭
I don't think the end is gone. I remember it mention that you are fighting an "incarnation" of it. It also says something along the lines of "doesn't matter what form I take" which means that "moon" can be one of it's many faces.
Sam was mentioning how he was playing 1-2 for 2 hours on stream, I was actually speedrunning 1-2 for probably half of this video because I liked listening to the discussion while playing
Im saying this before finishing the video, so apologies if they mention this in the video.
But I think one element that they can add to the open zone, is do what they did in Unleashed's Hub world and give rewards for exploring secret or hidden parts of the island.
Imagine taking the time to traverse to a difficult spot and as a reward you get a CD that lets you play music from the series instead of just a seed of power/defense.
Or you open a chest in the little houses they have scattered around and get a new cosmetic to put on sonic. I'd love the idea of getting Soap shoes, werehog cleats, the sonic riders shoes or sunglasses as a reward for exploring!
I'm really glad you guys brought up the Amy problem in Frontiers where it feels like Sega's continual overcorrection of her character because of fan outcry (when honestly, I feel as if fans always overcorrected or exaggerated her character). When the entire point before with Amy was that she was specifically designed to be annoying, and the ending punchline being her and Sonic wouldn't be a thing. Even so, Sega's choice to make her more melodramatic comes off as appealing to fans and critics who wanted that side of her gone, in exchange for making her "more mature" as if it suddenly makes her better. When they did the opposite. Instead of overfocusing on her love for Sonic, it's no longer apart of her character and is now just reduced to the Girl of Sonic's crew. Rather than balancing both her fangirl side but showcasing how mature she is with her emotions.
Amy's character development in Frontiers is great character work, the problem is Amy herself no longer has any character to make the impact hold any weight. It would've been better if she had shown up and gave off her fangirl persona toward Sonic after the gang separated, then when she and Sonic have that moment after her experience with the Koco decides she wants to focus on her own goals that don't just relate to Sonic. When Amy was a fangirl she had actual character flaws, she was temperamental, rushed into things without thinking and obsessive. Fans act like Frontiers "changed her" when it's the same persona she's had since Lost World only now she's more melodramatic and has screentime. Her characterization is still just "Girl" that's her personality now. And considering they are tying in this new maturity from the IDW comics, which develops her crush on Sonic post Forces they aren't doing a good job transitioning because Amy has a character in IDW whereas in the 2010's era and Frontiers she doesn't. You don't say a character is improved by removing their character, it's like people have skewed visions of what makes a character if they are thinking removing personality is better. Even when Amy scolds Sonic in Frontiers it has no emotional weight to it.
The actress also comes off as if she's trying to imitate Amy's Boom persona, only Amy's Boom persona had an actual personality and character flaws, which were even similar to Pre-2010s Amy. Amy no longer has character flaws or a character, she's just mature, but now what? Her character develop is nice like I said, but it's coming off the fact she doesn't have a character to develop on anymore. Her character since Lost World now just amounts to Reserved Girl. Again, Amy should be allowed to have goals that don't just relate to Sonic, that's why her development in Frontiers is great, it's just that if this came off her older persona with more personality it would've hit stronger. Especially since Adventure 1 balanced her crush on Sonic with her caring nature. This is more apparent when you transition Amy to Tails and Knuckles, who's flaws are not only referenced in their character arcs but are used to develop them organically. And they HAVE the personalities that make it work.
I agree. I like Amy because her character was very unique and different compared to other main female leads where most of their character trait is "The nice girl" or "Just girl" type and unfortunately Amy has been turned into the latter. I like her fangirling toward Sonic. Its very funny and allowed her to stand out over other girls like Princess Peach.
I like the idea of Sage as a character and what they were trying to do with her relationship with Eggman, but it was highly evident they didn't have enough budget and room for enough cinematics to pull it off fully and make that development completely convincing. And yeah, that humming sad flashback of hers with scenes that had just happened was hilarious. They needed more to work with to flesh everything out. I like Eggman having a more competent ally to bounce things off of though.
I also interpreted the end scene as Eggman having somehow recovered Sage rather than rebuilding her, as she came back online already calling him father. Which she didn't start doing until later into the game.
im still new to sonic, its only been a couple months, but ive gotten fammiliar with chaomix and sam over that time and fadel more recently when i saw him hyping on twitter
and they come togehter now for this, this feels really cool
Hey welcome to sonic the community enjoys your addition
Sonic Frontiers is like the first Sonic movie for me
It was enjoyable, I liked it, and a really good foundation for a sequel
Now if they can make a hot sequel to this like they did with Movie 2, it could truly be one of the greatest games in the whole franchise
You have strayed from the path, Fadel
This might be long comment, so please bear with me...
1:41:00 I felt the EXACT same way. Could you guys imagine for just a second, if instead of them just pulling deus ex machina to bring sonic back, they pulled an '06 and gave tails, knuckles and amy their own separate playable levels to get the emeralds? Once they had the emeralds, they learn that their power alone wasn't enough. They needed something else. (It was at this part where I really wish they had fleshed out the dynamic between sonic and sage more.)
Sage blatantly stated earlier in the game that she pretty much knew everything about sonic and anything to do with him,' his ideologies, the enemies he's fought, everything. All of it was there, just locked behind cyberspace once he fully turned. At this point she was flickering between light and dark cyber energies, so what if at this point sage was able to somehow fuse with sonics cyber corruption, her "light side" cancelling it out? That, combined with the emeralds power could've segued into a Cyber version of super sonic, (ie "Cyber Sonic) with him flickering between black and red and cyan and white hues like sage does towards endgame. Moveset would basically stay the same as normal super sonic, except you can switch between light and dark versions of these movesets.
The Supreme bossfight would have added mechanics revolving around these new movesets, having to switch between light and dark forms respectively depending on what the boss is doing.
Once the fight is over, sage would defuse from sonic and the cutscene would play out like normal, except instead of Sage taking control of supreme alone, she fuses back with Sonic, then its Cyber Sonic that takes control of Supreme. Cutscenes ends normally, but before we cut to The End, another cutscene plays out as follows:
The camera slowly pans out, tilting up to show the sky. The infamous "ZAP" symbol appears, glowing a bright cyan before releasing countless glowing orbs, the same ones that were released from the Koco's bodies after you helped them. They begin dispersing to each island in groups, each group merging with the debris of each Titan left behind from super sonic from earlier in the game, showing Giganto, Wyvern and Knight all glowing cyan instead of red. A short sequence of ghostly apparitions of the Ancients follows, having them once again manning their Titans, albeit only for a moment to join cyber sonic in space. Queue the cutscene introducing The End. Sonic's dialogue addressed to the ancients now makes complete sense with them actually BEING there with him.
A phase of the fight would still be Touhou, only this time Cyber Sonic switches from Titan to Titan, using their different movesets to fight alongside the Ancients, the former party avenging the entire race, and the latter party finishing what they started and finally at peace. Qte's and cutscene play out as normal, except both the ancients and Sage sacrifice themselves to finally put down a threat lasting generations.
Geez that was a lot, kudos to anyone who actually decides to read this! As much as I love this game, the final act of the narrative bugged me a bit, this is basically how I would change it.
I don't think Eggman rebuilt sage I think he recovered her. And with the pause he does right before I think he might have also had to recover something to do with the end
hmmmmmmmmmmm
I feel that the end could act in sonic games like morpho knight in Kirby except for different forms of it. Something that comes for beings that have lived past their expiration date in life.
Yo did ya'll hear Yuji Naka got arrested? 😳 no joke.
For insider trading, which is a serious crime in Japan.
Ngl I Hope They Bring Back Hyper Form since they were making super sonic a part of the plot.
GOATED crossover
YESSSSSIR
I took Sage's restorations as her being connected to Cyberspace and her code still being connected, so Eggman was able to restore her from that. I saw it as being the same Sage, my hope is maybe the next couple games her and Eggman are allies
Bro done had about 15 different discussions about the game lmao.
Definitely not complaining though.
hahah I HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY
Chaomix, Sam, and Fidel all on one video? Oh this is going to be great!
To bad didn't get Jcbackfire on this cause I'm pretty sure he's a big Sonic fan too. If you don't know who he is, he's a twitch streamer. He was part among the CoD Zombies streamers which he still keeps in touch with other CoD Zombie streamers. But I do know he supportive when comes to communities in gaming and maybe some other areas too. But when it come to Sonic he is pretty passionate when comes Story, Music and gameplay stuff.
@@couldnotic I’ll check him out, and thanks bro 💪🏾
Would love to see premy on one of these discussions one day, good video btw!
Islands 1, 4 and 5 are all the same island. If you break out of bounds you'll find the full islands of the others, just no objects or enemies will be loaded. I did so by accident trying to launch into the Titan fight early. Of course I couldn't get back and soft locked that save file with out any enemies to launch myself back in bounds and no fast travel unlocked yet.
I'm calling it here. the ancients are NOT gone. they ARE the chao. knuckles says they went to angel island and there are chao there to this day. it's the perfect link between the ancients, the chao and chaos. the ancients original forms are the chao which have regressed over time back to their original form. the only one to not regress was chaos who was the guard of the master emerald
my theory too! Eggman says in one of his logs that the Ancients had their DNA degrade until they were unrecognizable. I really think that’s referring to the Ancients devolving into chao
@@safurahh.8093 RIGHT?? that's gotta be it!! and the chao wanted the koco mask in the knuckles prologue
Interesting
Okay but this was so cool to listen to, especially the Super Sonic & Story stuff! Just Sonic fans sitting down together to talk about the lore of Frontiers, trying to explain things like the final boss etc
HELL YEA
YOU HAVE STRAYED FOWARD TO THE PATH FADEL
So playing through it I thought we were gonna find out that angel island was once a part of the starfall islands and that ancients evolved into the echidna (this was before I noticed that they were just descendants of chaos) now I think the ancients evolved into chao which then one of them got corrupted by the emeralds and that’s how chaos came to be and why he looks like the ancients.
To add to this angel island being a part of the starfall islands at one point would actually explain a lot. 1, why the ancients specifically settled there and that their influence is felt no where else on mobius. 2 why is there a portal in sky sanctuary complete with a deceased koco too. Knuckles specifically mentions a piece of ruins on Aries that looks like something from angel island. It would be interesting if the next game focuses on the ancients connection to the master emerald and angel island.
Its so genius how Ian turned what was a huge writing flaw into a character arc
spoilers for Sage:
Personally I think they have a long term plan for her, I don't think Eggman bringing back Sage was a "good" thing, he actually hesitates before pressing the button, the cyberspace logo and just how the end works in it's corruption of tech, I also believe that if a reboot was so easy I feel like Sage would've seen it coming.
Personally I think if he backed her up from cyberspace, either she is infected with the end, or he has brought the end back with her and I think he's aware of it.
Which is actually a perfect parallel to Gerald, Eggman's willing to risk his entire empire and the entire world to bring her back and there's a lot of potential in that idea I think.
In SA2 Eggman's even confused as to why his grandfather wanted to destroy the world, it's given him something to relate to his grandfather on.
So the final boss was something that originally disappointed me. But I took some time to listen to the music, and I re-fought it, and I have to say I love this. Despite the boss throwing everything at you and constantly talking down to you, the hopeful music carries on. You carry on. And you always will.
I had the same problem with the skill points. I personally feel the best way to avoid that stagnation in the next game would be not just to expand Sonic's skill tree, but maybe every island has a second character with their own, albeit smaller, skill tree and you can swap back and forth between them and Sonic. This way, even when you get to the final island even if you have everything on Sonic's skill tree unlocked there's still something to use your skill points on because you just unlocked a new character with their own skill tree. I get doing that in this game might've been a bit too much since they had to prove they can simply do open world first, but I feel like this would work well in a sequel now that they know what they're doing.
Enjoyed the discussion guys! Great video as always.
You guys hit the nail on the head for a lot of stuff I loved and got annoyed with about the story. I remember a rumor/leak that corrupted Sonic was supposed to have a boss fight with Sage and the fact that you don't fight her at all plus the corruption just gets dealt with so quickly makes me think it was up for consideration. I also agree about Amy where she felt way too grounded and kind of devoid of distinct character. Even in the opening cutscene in the Tornado, Amy gives a very bland "how exciting" whereas in prior games she'd have been way more energetic, especially coming off the prelude comic where she had been having a blast bonking bots.
In contrast, I have been gushing about Sonic's characterization in this game for the past week. He's so much more serious but still himself like you guys talk about. Sonic gives Amy space to let the morbid flashback of the Ancients settle, Sonic understands Knuckles' distress over the temple being attacked and doesn't mock him for it, Sonic is like the super cool big brother to Tails in so many ways - even more when you consider Find Your Flame's lyrics, and Sonic even tries to spend awhile reasoning with Sage who just won't talk to him. But Sonic will also have the funniest bits mixed in like the goal ring joke and being a smartass with Knuckles or snarky with Tails worrying he was slowing Sonic down and it's actually perfect. His silent smirk upon going Super Sonic against Giganto and his smile later when Sage asked how he could keep smiling through the pain, he felt like all of that and a hero again and it really felt like the Sonic I missed since Unleashed/Black Knight.
Hearing the closing thoughts, I'm just really happy at how optimistic the fanbase is despite admitting it's a flawed game. Post-Forces felt like so much doom and apathy, but Post-Frontiers now - there's so much excitement in the air. Really feels like the franchise has been revitalized. Loved listening to you guys talk.
My three favorite Sonic-related UA-camrs in one video-
Thank you Fadel 😍
having never played sonic adventure i think making a new adventure style game with or without the boost would be a great opportunity to make new fans see what made the adventure games great and also make the old adventure fans happy, plus i think momentum sounds fun and i wanna experience that in a actual sonic game and not roboblast 2 lmao
It's honestly crazy no on thought about adding this type of combat to Sonic before, it's legit such a fun part of the game. It remindse of Smash Bros, just really satisfying gameplay
Regarding with the Parry controls, I think it's intended to be able to hold the shoulder buttons, because if it's just hitting the 2 shoulder button with no way to hold it, it would be way too strict, especially when you have to also consider that Sonic is also a kids game too. It would just be a little hard for kids to understand it.
It wouldn't be that much strict if there's a window of like 1 or half a second. You do raise a good point about kids not understanding it. I'm kinda agreeing with the notion that the parry control being held should just be Easy mode only thing tho. If you're playing on Hard Mode, these infinite parries can make a lot of things trivial
Not to mention that Sonic floats on air indefinitely when you parry, which makes the laser-skipping challenge completely null and void
The end is just unicron from transformers
So, how'd it feel getting burned like that by the VA team during the Twitter Takeover?
MAN
I want to know what’s going on with the broken purple Master Emerald on Ares Island. Also it’s weird how Knuckles looks at the ruins and remembers the beginning of Angel Island. I always thought that was a cliff at the beginning of Sonic 3 but they make it seem like those are supposed to be ruins.
Commenting as I listen, but I really do love that the combat incentivizes you to use different types of moves (ie enemies that require cyloop, enemies that require rail or run dodging, enemies that have to be parried, ect) because even if a move isnt used very often or super necessary, there will be things that force you to engage with the mechanic at least a little bit. as such, i found even moves i wouldnt personally default to in mindless grinding, i had to at least feel out a few times or were periodically reminded of when i had to use them. i like varying up my combos just because it feels fun and nice, but beyond that, i do like that most wider mechanics find a "place" in these bosses where they have some sort of consistent relevancy, and i hope they expand on the idea of needing to know how to attack a boss to get to that point where you can take it out in one phase by wailing on it intuitively
Yooo this is just what I needed to kill my last few hours of work thanks Fadel!
hope you learned your lesson making fun of the fox boy :)
1:15:48 I agree with you @chaomix. I missed this side of Amy.
57:18 I think the stage you're talking about is 1-6. It's the 2D Green Hill Zone stage inspired by GHZ Act 1 From Generations. I remember this stage being quite tight as well. 1-2 and 1-6 are the hardest Cyberspace stages imo.
I'm gotta be really honest, I've never played Sonic Lost World and I don't hate it. It's just that it's so crazy that we went from Sonic Lost World's Mario/cartoon like bosses and boss music, which I don't hate the Deadly Six and Eggman(Final boss) and their music btw, to Sonic Frontiers' giant mecha like Titan bosses that have the same power level as Super Sonic with one of the most hardcore metal music, well no metal for the last Titan, but still a banger. The Titans' music really hit hard like Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry, which I've never played these games before. From Zomom who loves to eat and is always hungry, to Wyvern, a dragon like Titan in rage, with long claws and can fire missiles from it's body, powerful enough to destroy an entire city like Perfect Chaos. It's an amazing experience to see and use Super Sonic more than one time. I really love Sonic Frontiers, the best game they've ever made. And yes, even though The End(True final boss) was lame, I still enjoyed the game and the Titan fights. I really hope Sonic Team continues making these kind of bosses in the future. And also, Wyvern and the music “Break Through It All,” is my number one favorite Titan and music than the other three Titans and their music.
2/3 GOOD UA-camRS COLLABING IN A VIDEO NOT BAD 👍🫣
bro?
@@Dork_000 (I’m joking lol)
@@Arcad3n 👤
Supreme can be cylooped and grand slamed but you need to destroy one of the turrets first, then parry the lasers, and then you can attack him properly
Wtf LOL
I think The End killed the rest of the Ancients on earth when it and the Group of ancients inside the Titans were in Space about to fight because one ancient says “it killed them” as if it had just happened and then they say they won’t let their sacrifice be for nothing, though I may be wrong I’m doing my 2nd playthrough now
i’m pretty sure the “them” that ancient was referring to was the original pilot of Supreme (the one who said they would have the End bind to their Titan)
@@safurahh.8093 Oh that makes sense
I’m not gonna lie, this is my opinion, but I feel as though they should incorporate the elements of Sonic ‘06 (multiple playable characters, full roaming action stages, multiplayer modes and different campaigns that tells their own story) with Frontiers (open zone hub worlds, improved fighting mechanic system, story lore and the super sonic fights) combined them into one big super game later on. Frontiers is great, but I want to see them push it all the way out the door.
Yeah. Sonic Team trying to give us a game like 06 but this time give it all the time it needs would be great, but we all know that won't happened. We won't ever get a game as ambitious as 06 again. Frontiers isn't as ambitions as I would hope for a game that takes 5 years to make.
@Chaos Emeralds, They never did actually specify if the aliens created them or merely discovered and used them.
Anyone else have their game sometimes glitch and still have 3D in the "2D" section?
Yeah, it happens a bit and it gets a little stuck sometimes. I wonder if it's possible for them to make an option to turn off 2D in open-world.
It happens when you don’t touch the dash pads in the 2d sections
It’s not really a glitch just you not touching the transition
Sam: "In unleashed they act like 06 never happened"
... But 06 DID never happened. That game erased itself out of the canon when they blew the flame of Solaris out
[STORY SPOILER IN 2ND SECTION]
Yeah, the whole storyline here feels like it's foreshadowing something along the line of SA3, but that's going to be such a tough line to break, and definitely not doable with the kind of budget they keep getting. All in all though, I feel like Open Zone would be incredible if they can get the formula perfected (SA3 would need at least that).
I'm in the opinion that the Ancients' evolve-devolve stage into Chaos is : Ancient -> Chao -> Chaos. I excluded the Koco from the stage because they seem more like an echo of a living being than an actual living being. Kinda like a haunt of sorts.
Also, not sure if I agree with new form (agreed with the conclusion being anticlimatic though), because the corruption does indirectly come from his hasty, albeit completely justified, decision. I probably would've been more forgiving if the whole thing is resolved at the end of the story rather than in the middle of it
The only things I hated about the game was the hard mode final final boss and the wolf enemies that circle you.
Btw, could the Homing Cancel work in the open zone? Or is it a Cyberspace only thing?
Works in open zone!
i literally avoided leveling my damage skill, and the bosses die just as fast, if not faster?? its so weird. the skills do a lot
But there are a lot of loops in the OZ... Most of them are just in the air, on rails and the mid-wall running stuff...
As for the parry, Kishimoto did state it was time based but he changed it due to playtest feedback. He also stated enemies used to require more damage to defeat but was also changed.
26:00 imagine shadow getting some combat would be cold
Oh yeah another thing no one ever seems to mention is in the first post credits scene where the gang is setting up the plane to leave Amy mentions Going to see Cream and STICKS. Does this mean boom is actually cannon and actually happened cause I have like 50 questions about that!
I love going back to these videos and seeing all of the sonictubers asking for a parry, only for them to all hate it in update three, not counting Unleashed who enjoyed it until playing on extreme..
Just thought about it. This reminds me of Asura's Wrath. The fights in those games were so over the top. Cyber connect2, the people that made the Ninja Storm games, they need to work with Sega and just get the next game to be massive
43:34 YEAH! xD
I don't want momentum in the next game, I love the boost and I want to keep the boost and I'm 100% they will keep the boost if Frontiers will be succesful
Where's the video that Sam talked about where island 1, 4, and 5 are combined? I'm curious to see what it looks like
My boy is back
How do I get in on these dope discussions?
You guy's should do this again for the next game
Last comment LOL, but I think the best direction for Sonic Team to go from here is just an improved system from Frontiers, and just add some additional characters. Playing a titan fight that's accustomed to Tails or Knuckles' play style would be the rawest thing imaginable.
Part 2 in October?
I actually kind of like chaos island despise amount of 2d part there are, you can actually use surrounding or skip the jump/dash pad to perform a lot of 3d to 2d trick, and it is kind of fun finding the way to break these 2d course.
Well technically generations references secret rings and colours but whatever I guess
yakuza studio have 300+ employee (checking on wikipedia) come on sega, add some people to sonic team, kinda feel sorry for 60 people that develop this game with tight deadline
Still haven’t apologized for your lower-than-low fox slander?
My boy, I am a classic Sonic expert who worked with Sonic game logic code for years. We can talk and I will reveal some extremely obscure secrets to you.
I can talk with you and show you anything.
Oh
I did send some contact info in case you're interested, but YT seems to remove all of it.
Do a collab with sunset city fadel!
Three chads one video
damn
The 3 boys.
YESSSIR
YOOOOOOOOO
Imagine premydaremy being in here
He would be kicked out the chat