WILD MAGE IS THE NEXT ARCHETYPE ~ Myth Drannor Expansion Preview
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DDO never stops expanding.
Its amazing the versatility in character creation. it never ceases to amaze me
Now if only that would apply to the spaghetti code on the back-end and quality of life changes that really shows it's age.
How is population these days? Is the game active? I don't expect to have 100k+ players but are there enough to group up and play with others as a new player. Like few thousand active players at least? I never played this game so would need to start from the scratch and I know that can be hard if there are no low lvl players I can group up with.
@@sallee132 i dont think the servers can handle that right now but one mega server could probably handle it. Itd be interesting if they could do it but i think that the game is really good even without friends.
Like Lizzo?
I'm thankful the game continues to get updated but lately everything has been so underwhelming
Yay I get to play as Grant Morrison!
Sorry not DDO related, but that’s a great shirt. I like it.
It's kinda cool, but it's soo bad compare to any decent caster
Worst thing I saw on ddo in a while.
wild magic has attacked your shirt
"No chaos spells at epic"
Channel Entropy 1d6 + 18 / level
Dragon Breath 1d6 + 5 / level
I don't think they need 'em.
How good or broken would a Chaos metamagic be in the Enhancement Tree Cores? Like it would convert a spell into a Chaos version of the spell, but it also uses the higher of the spellpower/spell crit. Eg. Fireball Chaos metamagic-ed with 150 Fire SP, 200 Chaos SP, 15 Fire Crit, 10 Chaos Crit, would use 200 SP 15 Crit. It could convert the damage into all Chaos, or maybe like Flame Strike be 50-50.
I was hoping for Shadow Adept but wild mage is amazing. I played BG2 a lot with it.
EDIT > In BG2 Wild Mage is for Mage, not Sorc.
Ya, would've been cool for Wiz to get some love. C tier class at best.
I love Blightcaster in epics. I go acid and use primarily PA tree. It so good. I mean I solo R4s with it just fine... sure there is little support for force (piercing/bludgeoning/slashing) I mean unless you go SD... not saying it is a good option but if you want the force spell power you could go that way. All the radiant stuff is in a couple of trees that doesn't feel sorcerer-esque.
My fav dnd subclass, might play again with one
I really don't like that you can disable bad surges. Like, the whole fantasy of a wild mage is that random shit happens, good and bad. Being able to disable bad stuff kills the class fantasy. I get that this is an MMO, but c'mon, we need crazy shit like this.
Maybe that's a hot take. But I don't think it is.
I don't think it's a hot take that there should be a reason to take a risk, that's why I like the spellpower boost requiring you to take maximum risk. It's a cool way to encourage maximum chaos.
Bless Chest didn’t work?? Who woulda thought?! 😂
It is a charisma check.
Don't know why, but I could see some good multi-classing potential from this.
Basically, a splash of Wild Magic Sorcerer with about any other class, though perhaps best with another spellcasting class.
Like a Wild Magic Warlock, getting/using serges just by Eldritch Blasting.
Wild Magic Storm Singer
Or perhaps best, a Wild Arche Mage.
That last likely splashing the other way around with more Sorcerer than Wizard.
One of the enhancements gives '+ wild sorc caster level' to other classes' spells and have a choice of Wis/Cha/Int in the ability improvements. They definitely want you to multiclass and do funky stuff!
1. The chaos magic visuals look AMAZING.
2. I really dont like that wild magic mechanism though. The best things you can get from it are kina meh (rez all of your allies is irrelevant if they are all alive, heal aura isn't that important outside of end-game high reaper / raids, and even that is short-timed) but the bad ones are horrible and can get you insta-killed. I don't think anyone (sane) will ever play this in HC and it is really not solo-able at least until you eliminate the bad surges.
3. If you have to invest in the savant trees anyway because those are the spells you will cast - why bother with mechanism that gives very little benefit but can hurt you? looks to me like regular sorc will be always even or better. what did i miss?
4. When i saw wild magic i thought of something else entirely - the chance that when you cast a spell you'd get a different spell / another spell with it. like, you try to cast Fireball and instead you cast Fireball and ligtningball fired at the same target (on a good roll) or you try to cast Displacement and instead get water breathing (on a bad roll). that would not only be beneficial and great fun but would also synergize well with having all the savant trees because you are going to cast all kinds of spells and you can't control which.
5. I was sure that the new dragon-year archetype we will get would be Sorcerer. but id we are getting one now, what else can the "Dragon Disciple" be? monk? FVS? maybe we will 2 Sorc archetypes? (which is kinda chaotic so it fits and i like it).
Also for my idea of what wild magic should have been - the extra spells should not be limited to sorcerer spells. If you try to cast blur on an ally and get animal growth as a bonus - thats weird and fun!
Yeah it's hard to judge what DD is going to be. Archetypes so far have pulled from PrCs like the enhancement trees originally did. DD's main requirement was spontaneous arcane casting since knowledge (arcana) is super easy to get as a class skill. However as a (bad) PrC it mostly benefited combat with no spellcaster progression (just bonus spells), mid BAB and the gaining of the half-dragon template. All the spontaneous arcane casters are going to have an archetype though once sorc is done. Average BAB matches monk, the d12 HD matches Barbarian. I could see doubling up already causing some complaints so that makes it very hard to guess what they will take it on with. Honestly it would have worked better as a universal enhancement tree in that regard but they've said archetype so...I dunno.
Good summary, especially point #4- that's how I thought this would work now they have to work in chaos damage without any existing synergy
@@davidprice6002 actually, usually sorcerers can focus on 1 damage type (gear-wise etc.) but this archetype have to get alignment and one other... thats annoying.
Seems like this is a archetype meant for multi-classing with the wild magic sorc being the sub. Like Warlock 14/ WM 6.
Also, I just finished 3 lives of blight-caster. 2 hive-master builds and 1 blight-wolf build. I didn't like it at all. It felt like a subpar knockoff acid sorc. Self healing is terrible in reaper, and in heroics you burn through spell points nearly as fast as storm-singers. It really sucks knowing you can do some decent damage but you've got to conserve SP so bad that you only use the sla's until you know you're near a shrine or in a boss fight. The wolf build was the worst. Weak DPS, and inadequate defenses. like... why in the hell doesn't the wolf get evasion but the hive-master does? Make it make sense.
why would they add new archetypes that's not supported for epic quests? they add stuff like this and move on and then it just becomes a worthless thought in the game lost in the archives! kind like that cleric architype complete trash from what i remember it does everything but nothing good!
Dark apostate is actually an extremely strong instantkiller, as well as the backbone of some imbue builds. It's definitely not the best class, but it definitely has some good use cases
@@Strimtom If you brought one of those to anything besides an r1 you would get laughed at! I’ve made a ton of tweak builds and I didn’t see anything I could do with this, maybe I’m wrong?
But I mean case in point here from what you’ve shown us and have even stated this will not perform in epic quests do to no spells that supports it like blight mage! So it will only work in heroic! That just seems like waste to me! Wasted potential and a waste of development! I’m not trying to be hard on them but my point is they should be developing the spells, feats and abilities that support this first before they just throw this out there, there’s just so many easy things they could do to make the game better than this! I hope this sinks in. Thanks for the reply!
Pure sorcerer casters are too difficult a class to be a basic class. They don't heal, they don't have pets, they take longer to learn spells, they can't change spells, they don't have many special protections that make them more resistant, they can't naturally revive other players, and what's worse, if you want to play another class as a caster you are practically forced to play sorcerer to get the +1 to evocation and the 20 extra sp. In fact, as far as I know, they have bug talents. And now on top of that, wild magics, which explodes in your face one out of five times. The company hates sorcerers... You need to have like ten past lives to make them do something, it's absurd. The best way to play a sorcerer is not to play a sorcerer, make it half paladin, wizard, anything else up to level 20 and reincarnate after having lived through the nightmare that is playing it. Ironically, a necromancer that should be more difficult is ridiculously easier, especially because no one wants to play it, so in a party no one has any use for necromancer items, so it's easier to equip it with all the advantages.
I find a lot of the Epic Destinies limiting when it comes to particular builds, I hope they put more Chaos abilities in at least two trees, like Draconic, Angel (Chaos god!) or Magus too.
Chaos Dragon magic!
Love the Wild Mage. However... Here we are in the "Year of the Dragon" and what do we get for a Sorcerer? Wild Mage. Over Draconic Sorcerer. Whaaaaaa? Illogical in the extreme... But 🤷
(Not to mention) Draconic is hands down the more popular sorcerer archtype in Dungeons & Dragons. But do we here in DDO land choose the more popular something in the Year of the dragon? Naaaa... :)
Wild magic is a sorcerer subclass in 5e PnP.
@@zachhunter6125 Corrected :)
Just give me The Knight of The Weave and Weave Pact Warlock classes, please. I'll be a happy man
lots of stuff in epics for blight caster
Guess we've found the next Archetype to 1-20 on a day for the next hardcore for strim
Was thinking the same thing
looks interesting for sure - and if i'm understanding what I've read correctly, it looks like if you're splashed wild mage on any casting class then even spells cast from that will benefit from wild mage... I've got a blasty archmage wizard which is a lot of fun & I don't really run on reaper so not having optimal stuff isn't much of an issue, I might adapt that build on another character to include a couple of wild magic sorcerer levels & then go nuts with the various MM/CM/FM spells & cheap but quick SLAs & just relying on having multiple bits of gear with extra on-spellcast procs to cause some mayhem.
I will build a Prismatic Wild Mage. Random effects bonanza🎉😅
prismatic spray with extra chaos damage
shiradi +% chance do proc based on wild magic proc
yes for both plz
just thinking about it now chain lightning is so goddamn good lol why can't we have chain chaos?
Cloud kill5 then acid fog6?
I was hoping you'd talk more about the multicasting enhancement. It means any spellcaster can dip into wildmage for the surges for little downside.
The multicasting enhancement was very bad and was a noobtrap, with no real good outcomes.
They changed it now to instead just set your caster level for all spells to your character level which is much better and I will make a follow up video for that.
Are Chaotic monsters immune to chaos damage? Can Wildmages bypass chaos immunity?
In a truly chaotic fashion, most chaos spells effect chaotic monsters. Only Slaads are truly immune.
Can we meet other players in this game?
The higher the dungeon difficulty the more reliable your powers need to me, so not sure about this one yet, but early stages.
Yeah, I'm hopeful that the new preview has some much needed polish. A little boost to some power, more chaos effects, fix up the mulitclassing and we might have a neato fun archetype on our hands. I don't think it entirely need to be better than what we have now, as the inconsistency will cause a lot of people to look away, but as long as it's not a direct noob trap it should be a good addition.
1st thing I thought when i heard Myth Drannor was pools of radiance. loved the old nes Pools of radiance video game... it was the best ddo rpg video game us old farts had at the time... way before even BG1 came out.
This one is on my list of games to catch up and play, hopefully before the expansion launches
@@Strimtom the nintendo version had a ton of good plot etc. Well written and way ahead of its time. Some of the computer versions that came out later were not near as good.
To be fair to Blightcaster, all physical and untyped spells, including piercing, scales with force, so while Shadowdancer may not be a great match thematically, it works well mechanically
What about the dragon disciple??? Did they scrapped it or it will really be 2 sorcerer archetypes???
With "Disciple" in the title - maybe it's going to be a monk archetype?
@@cnawan
Or FVS?
@@cnawan Dragon Disciples need to know at least 1st level spontaneous arcane magic. So the strongest candidates are Sorcerer or Bard.
Since bard already got an archetype, it was supposed to be Sorcerer.
UNLESS it's an enhancement tree. Hmm.
What I heard doesn't sell me on Wildmagic.
I'd rather my spells have predictable effects.
The knockdown is nice but you can get the same effect from a few places.
I think I'll pass.
This is my pre-comment before watching the video because I'm not sure exactly how they're doing this but: I look forward to wiping out the entire party on r10's with an errant blast of my wild magic. Now I will watch the video to see if my dream can come true
No killing of team members, a little sad (but prob good for our sanity). Remember when you could kill PMs in your party?
Sounds really cool!
Ohh fun one, ty for the information!
100 spell power not that much in epics. For 15 pts you could get +9% surge, and no neg effects, then the rest of pts on tree of choice, add in feydark illusion. I think thats the best point utilization.
14:08 I think it is impossible to add it to shiradi, because the prerequisite for triggering surge is casting spells, while range, melee and spells are basically independent of each other.