@@josegimenez1228 No. The main difference is that a country like Venezuela which was compared to Denmark a while ago for whatever stupid reason has a dominant party system so it's dominated by the socialist party. In Denmark all sides are equally heard and the liberalist party has won numerous times. That is how it's a social democracy. The only difference is that our common values stay the same no matter the party. We would never trade away our healthcare system.
@@WillemoesJ No, Venezuela has several problems: 1: a culture of corruption and profiteering. 2: A recent history of dictatorships. 3: economic warfare by the US. That's the big one. It's not socialism that's their problem.
@@Erebus2075 Agreed, the same is true for any other Western European country I guess. People only realize what they have after they lost it and need it.
That's because of their wording. The socialist ideal is that you pay an extra $10, but then save an extra $40 (for example), but conservatives all panic and scream "They'll make you pay $10!!!", then go out of their way to make sure you don't learn about how much you save. Why would they do it? Because mega corporations will lose millions of dollars (Which for them, is around 1%-10% of their profit), but they don't want that, they want more and more and more, so they will pay media outlets to scare you into voting for people who'll hurt you, convincing you that the alternative is worse, when in reality, it's not.
Denmark gets back helpful benefits from their taxes?! HOW INSANE!! Its almost like taxes are supposed to invest into citizens and not just be a blank check for the military, corporations or the rich but that can't be right. Clearly they're doing it wrong.
@@dumbdumber7203 go live on a boat by yourself in the ocean if you don't want to take care of your fellow American. True patriots don't want you here. Only people that have never left the country think the way you do. Maybe it's you that needs financial help if even obtaining a passport is such a burden for you.
Dumb Dumber well I see that as a investment into the poor that can work and improve their education and if they can’t pay everything back they still have their children that get investments by us as well and can pay back the investments and those of his/her parents. The history has confirmed it, a similar system is the „Generationenvertrag“ Generation Contract where older people invest in the development of the youth so they can later pay the pensions of the older people and invest again into the new generation. Works in Germany for decades and well we pay less if we would do it all through private companies and insurances. Grüße aus Deutschland
Nordic Countries: We have a economic system that not only benefits everybody, we also have higher happiness than you. Why stay? U.S.: sOCiALiSTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Edward Roberts can you base that on some facts or should i say #fakenews...because you feel offended and cant see that Boone Keller is pretty much spot on....btw real class been racist
Edward Roberts Thank you for your nice comment...i really love how that comment made no sence...and the fact you act like a 9 year old who cant come up withe a comeback...soo let me tell it like you are 5...racism bad Edward, you bad bad boy, just because other kids have an IQ higher than you it do not mean you have to insult them
@MajorLeague According to data from WHO sadly it's from 2016 but is the newest they have. The United States is nr 34 on the list over highest Suicide rate in the world "higher on the list being bad", where as the Nordic countries is, Sweden: 51, Norway: 74, Denmark: 89. Only country in Scandinavia topping The US is Finland being nr 32, but that place is cold as shit.
Logic won't work in USA, they want guns so they can shoot anyone if they have a gun. I honestly don't get how a whole people can be so irrational and devoid of logic, but each to themselves
david smith yes we do....and as we never have to be worried walking around our cities in the middle of the Night....we know nothing happens to us....ppl respect one another.....as goes for Norway and Sweden by the way.....
@@annetteljungberg1288 and non of us are very belligerant in international politics either, though sweden and denmark has a kind of sibling rivelary. as a swed i can tell you we have many jokes about danes... though it´s mostly just poking fun due to the... let´s just say... rough history we have between each others
@ lunsen 402 oh you are swedish Well u know 🇩🇰❤️🇸🇪 in soooo many ways, and yes its funny with the "rough" love between us due to our turbulent history 😂 lets keep it to rivalry in Eurovision and at the football ( soccer) matches 😂 btw Im 1/2 swedish 😂 just look at my last name....kram ❤️
@@annetteljungberg1288 I agree we should keep the rivalry in the Eurovision and football. seems better then murdering each other like we did in the past i mean we´ve had something like 27 wars between us or something
Obama just recently said in an interview that in the 1980's his positions would have made him a moderate republicans. Hillary, if you discount her weaksauce stands on social issues, would be a far right Republican. Now. It is a complete trip: They even have a party in Denmark... Christian Democrats. Ok, so a rightwing party. But do you know what makes them really different from "christian" republicans? Wait for it.... They actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
VeteranVandal Any single thing remotely left wing automatically makes an american politician a "hardcore marxist". Better yet. You might call them "liberal marxists"... despite the fact that it's one of the biggest oxymorons in existence.
Yes, we pay a lot of tax in Scandinavia, but we also have a living wage everywhere. Fast food workers make a minimum of $ 20 hourly in Denmark. for example.
FoX Really, how does that translate to other professions or smaller businesses with less employees, is their product more expensive are there tax deductions, I do not know, just trying to educate myself.
drunkenchef24 They earn proportionally more depending on their job, just like in the US, the difference is even minimum wage workers will still have some disposable income leftover to spend, therefor increasing consumption of goods which in turn increases the demand and creates opportunities for big and small businesses. It's a virtuous cycle that stimulates economic growth and jobs creation, keeping the velocity of money high, instead of it just accumulating at the top with each cycle.
And how much does a Big Mac costs in Denmark? Someone from Scandinavia I think Norway commented on how expensive take-out food is in his country, even for fast food. No one can afford to go out very much since it is so pricey even for a big MAc. As obvious, the negatives seem to be left out. Also velocity of money really doesn't means anything. Venezuela has the highest velocity of money in the world. The money literally can't be spend fast enough since it is losing value so fast. Printing more money, to make money spin faster is in no way going to improve your economy in any way.
@ Snape Nightmare Wow, terrible food for you is more expensive, WHAT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! Better to have 10,000s die every year from lack of healthcare, bomb foreign countries so corporations can make billions while taxpayers spend trillions for it, and so on.
sadly trump will probably shoot him on live tv before he lets that happen. he knows bernie would get so much done with every politician afraid of him that it would be the end of trump`s party, his crazy they-should-be-in-jail friends, his brand and everything he ever signed while in office.
Im a dane, and hell must freeze over before i would consider living in the us. Do i feel heavily taxed??? No! Because i know the money i pay in taxes are well spend. In my life i feel safe, knowing that i have free acces to healthcare etc, police, firedep etc. It really doesnT matter what the tax is, because you pay the same percentages as the guy next door. I believe that the reason, that danes are called a happy nation lies within the fact, that we live safe lives
I'm happy that Bernie gets to be heard , even if is too late ... now people are realizing how great America can be under a true leader like Bernie Sanders.
Remember people, a fee imposed by a private corporation is THE SAME as a tax. The FEE makes the corporation wealthier, but the TAX benefits everyone. What would you rather pay????
Taxes are not optional. The government has a monopoly on violence. Private corporation can't send armed thugs to your house to collect their money. That is only reserved for the great government.
They are called PMC's or mercenaries and they are used by corporations, mostly in countries with armed conflict and there is nothing stopping them from using them on the USA. Just like they use them in Africa, the middle east and latin america.
Some of the replies here clearly illustrate the moronic, selfish attitude of US citizens, basically: " couldn't care less if I end up worse of because I don't get healthcare/education/or whatever if, through no fault of my own, I end up needing the help - as long as I don't have any obligation to help others while I'm doing well financially."
I'm Danish. What he said was correct. But remember, that European conservatism is somewhat different from US conservatism. Anyway ... all parties in Denmark support the single payer health care. It's simply just a tool for equality of opportunity. Not for equality of outcome. I'm a member of a (geo)libertarian party. We also support the single payer system.
They are also often more aware of environmental issues and not opposed to decent social institutions. Although proponents of free markets they don't have the knee-jerk anti-government reaction US conservatives have. In Denmark they historic slogan was "God, King and Fatherland". But one have to be aware that very few religious people in Denmark are as radical as they are in the US, so mostly it's about preserving the institutions of society. Like conservatism originally was. Also ... as a Georgist, the Conservative party is kinda our arch nemesis. Since we strongly disagree on wrt. a Land Value Tax. But we *do* agree about health care and meaningful education for all.
Yeah... well... I subscribe to a somewhat generalized form of Georgism. To primarily tax externalities, monopolies and use of natural opportunities. Henry George mad good elaborate arguments, but you really don't need more than Thomas Paine to explain the moral classical liberal foundation. To bring it more closer to our times, I think Joseph Stiglitz has a lot of very good observations wrt. what we need for our future economy.
Now ... first. Let me say that just as I think US "liberals" are misusing the term "liberalism", I can perfectly understand if someone think US "progressives" nowadays are misusing the term "progressivism". Nevertheless: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism#Contemporary_mainstream_political_conception My point was that what Thomas Paine argues in "Agrarian Justice" is basically a geo-libertarian argument. Also, Thomas Paine lays out the basic liberal (as in the original meaning) human rights in "Rights of Man" including the point that current generations have no right to take freedom from future generations.
As a Scandinavian I has actually taken me many years after following American politics to actually GRASP that this is a point that needs to be explained to Americans. Whether I pay $ 1000 to a company to give me a service or $ 1000 in taxes to get the same services should not make a dam difference. Actually it does make some difference but that is benefitting the tax option. If you get sick and can't work, taxes go down, so you have to pay less to get the same service. Hence the tax option offers better protection against unforeseen events. That is EXACTLY what you need for something like health care. Health care needs are by definition unforeseen. You buy bread every day, so you can plan for that. You don't need to pay government taxes to get bread. However you cannot plan for a 1 million dollar cancer treatment. Nobody regular person can save up for that. But since not everybody will get cancer we can pull resources together and spread the risk. That is the point of taxes in this context: Risk spreading. People may say, you can buy private insurance for that. But insurance cannot offer insurance against unemployment and income loss. Cancer treatment is not merely about an expensive treatment but also about getting knocked out to the labour market due to the long time it takes to get better and not being able to work. If you could buy insurance against income loss, then people would be tempted to be unemployed. Sure that happens in welfare states too, but that is why welfare states have systems to push people back into work. Insurance companies would then essentially have to replicate all the mechanisms of a welfare state within a private company.
PaleGhost69 well to be fair senators Graham and Cassidy went on to debate Bernie about their weak healthcare bill and looked ashamed of themselves the entire time.
I saw a realclearpolitics article that spun this part of the debate as a bad moment for Bernie Sanders, implying that the conservative Danish guy who entirely agreed with him, somehow disproved everything he wants to do.
Luckily we have news outlets online like Secular Talk, The Jimmy Dore Show, TYT Politics, The Humanist Report, TYT Nation, etc... etc... To combat those dumbass Right Wing talking points.
[sigh] If we do the math, we can see that the bottom 50% don't pay shit in taxes in the US and the upper 50% will just wind up supporting them on universal healthcare just like everything else. So if you are actually paying taxes in America there is no way you are going to pay taxes to cover the added expense of "free" healthcare for the bottom 50% who will be paying almost nothing in taxes themselves and come out ahead.
@MajorLeague you didn't clarify whether scandinavia was included in the marshall plan? even if it was assisted,It has nothing To do with what economic system is best
Just to clear a few more details on, the tax system in Denmark.. We have our working week hours fixed, at 37 hours with the ordinary tax-lvl at 43%.. Every amount earned in overtime, is taxed at a 50% reduction, for the next 4 hours of overtime. That means after a 41 hour week, you only pay 21-22% taxes. And it gets lower, the more hours you put Into work, during 1 full week. And a new tax-period begins again, and so on. On top of that.. Every hour overtime, your have during Sundays and public holidays, pays 100%. So its greatly exaggerated, that we have "unreasonable" high taxes.. BTW.. During 1 work year, every employee earns 5 annual insured weeks of vacation, also payed and to free disposal, of every worker, with no exceptions what so ever.. And all those rights are negotiated, from a joined committee, formed of every single union. For a term of 2-4 years depending on, the speciffications according to the agreement, in that valid period wich is determent. But what do you know... That's called socialism in some part's of the World. In Denmark we call it, good old hard work. And a healthy enviroment, to further new and stronger initiatives.
In early 2015, I got diagnosed with a rare, cancer-like disease that developed a tumor in my head. After 8 months of chemotherapy, which had modest impact on the tumor, I had to turn to a clinical trial of a drug. Every month I paid close to $200 in premiums, on top of what my employer paid, and the $5,000 deductible, which i got hit with every calendar year. Also, I spent half my waking days on the phone with insurance paper pushers arguing about coverage.This was the scenario while working for a financial firm in America. If I have to pay extra in taxes so that everyone has decent health insurance, so be it. I wouldn't wish my dreadful experience on anyone, including Nancy Pelosi or Donald Trump, Jr.
Just replying about the the financial side of drug research. If you had a government run system like Bernie wants to implement, the drug that you needed could very well not have existed in the first place. Drug companies need to make their money back on drug research that is very risky and very low return.For example, they might invest money in 100 promising drugs, and only have 1 drug that can actually be marketed. They need to have high enough margins on the successful ones to make up for all of the failures. In a government run system, drug researchers would be restricted in the prices they could charge for drugs, and the limit will likely be a low amount since government are always trying to find more money.(A problem that will be exasberated the more sectors the government tries to take over.) It basically wouldn't work if everyone switched to single payer because the US with the huge market it has is currently subsidizing other government systems in the world. The companies are able to make the profit in the US, and thus can charge less in other places, but it wouldn't work once you remove their main profit source. The drugs would simply dissapear if there isn't enough of a return on investment, and everyone would be worse off in that scenario.
Snape Nightmare. The cost of developing new drugs are already shared with tax-payers. A lot of public funded university-scientists are working with pharma-companies. Once the cost of developing new drugs are shared, most are not that expensive to produce.Denmark has highly specialized pharma-companies.One of them- Novo Nordisk - cover 10-20% of USA-market for diabetes (Victoza).In market-value it is the "richest" company overall in Dk.
I, in Denmark, got breastcancer back in 2011. I got operation, treatment, reconstruction and all things without having to handle any papers or ask for anything. Hadn't a clue what these things would cost if I would have had to pay. And I hadn't a worry in the world as whatever would happen to me, my kids could continue their universty studies as our kids don't depend on their parents purse. But most of all: I like living amongst a population where I know that everyone is taken care of the same way. You might be young or old, richer or poorer. Nobody has to end up in the street and everyone gets the health care needed.
Just as a matter of fact, in France, the Sécurité Sociale (NHS) spends about 5% of all the money that is collected, into internal management: employee salaries, computer infrastructure, medical records and so one. In other words, 95% of the money is invested in hospitals, drugs and doctors, to actually cure people. In a typical insurance company, about 60% to 80% of all premiums is usually absorbed into administration costs (including shareholders), which means that out of 100 dollars payed in premium, less than 40 dollars is redistributed. The rest is literally embezzled by these companies. No surprise then, that Americans pay so much more on health care than other countries. They actually DO not finance their health care system, they pay a corporate tax to very a lucrative business...
@MajorLeague Tell me why America is ranked last out of the 35 developed countries for healthcare then? if its so great at providing it and money for it
Conservatives don't do math...or science, logic, reading comprehension, etc... Overall the problem is America is too stupid on both sides of the political fence for someone like Bernie.
Bernie has very little facts on his side in this debate. Bernie looked like a fool and went with only emotions. He literally contradicted himself here.
" First you raise taxes only on the very rich, demonstrate that this has positive effects for the country, then push more progressive taxes, show the positive effects, etc. It has to be a gradual change" I see that as eventually full government take over of the market. You may call it gradual but eventually everyone will be paying 50% or more. I regards to Denmark they are not any better than the US. I don't see why people are so quick to model them.
"They are much better than the US. " Based on what? To start, you are comparing countries with much different sizes and completely different cultures. To give a small example, no country has a NCAA like program attached to their colleges. How do you account for that when you push for "free college"? "Also, a lot of people seem to forget that the U.S. used to have 70%+ tax rates in the 70's" Which very few pay. "You can also see that under democrats there is a significantly higher GDP growth % than under republicans who want tax cuts." Here are some factors 1. Under Clinton we had a republican congress, now who controls the purse? 2. Following WWII every other nation was rebuilding while the US wasn't giving us an advantage economically, so no matter who was in office we would have been fine. Under Eisenhower we were great with over 7% growth twice. That followed Truman where he did it once in that time. Never happened under Kennedy or LBJ though. In 1967 there were 155 Americans who earned over $200,000 at that time who paid $0 in federal taxes. That was under LBJ. Seems like a tax cut for the rich did well.
and what's hilarious is a right-leaning, crowder and info wars spewing conservative will say the EXACT SAME THING about liberals/the left. Don't know science, don't understand math or economics, bad reading comprehension, too stupic to know wtf going on, etc, etc. Such a broken fucking country.
The US don't need to learn from Denmark. Just listen to Bernie Sanders, he got most of it right and seem to have found a combination of American traditions and values, and Democratic Socialism. He is a better politician than most of the politicians we have here when it comes to compassion and honesty.
It is ok to have opinions ... :) ... from what I have seen, heard and read he seems to have been pretty consistent on most things, and many more than other politicians... I would not agree with you.
I would like to think I know the US constitution as much as any non-us person ... and as far as I know your statement would be right if you talk about Communism, and not Socialism... The US contains many Socialistic aspects (infrastructure, police, firefighting, early education)... But using Communism and Socialism interchangeably is wrong...
My life-saving asthma inhaler costs me $240 a MONTH! I would GLADLY have that go to a single payer tax system instead, and get the same thing for free or little charge. AND it'll help other people too, instead of just my prescription.
The Market Liberal My dad is vet as well and likes the VA medical. Of course its not perfect, and is no where near as good as the single payer systems in Canada and Scandanavia. Either way you like to spin it, the people in Europe love their healthcare, while we never have loved ours.
Frederik Holmgren the entire workin population supports the small number of Medicare recipients...please tell me you understand how/why that concept isn’t scalable???
The hilarious thing is, is that Bernie is actually pretty centre left in Europe and the UK... shows how fucking far the US is completely off the fucking spectrum to the right
Privately speaking he is actually a socialist. He's not center-left ideologically, but he realizes the US is so far right that he can't go out and say he wants to abolish capitalism as his platform and have any chance of making any change. He is a reformist democratic socialist, which means his end goal is still socialism, but that he realizes the US needs to go through a gradual process of social democracy before it's ready to democratically adopt an actually socialist system. As a Norwegian I can absolutely say he's ideologically far more left wing than the vast majority in our center-left Labor party and is ideologically more akin to someone from our left wing socialist left or red parties.
I'm gonna' disagree with you there *grundiosa, * I think that Bernie understands that 'pure' socialism does not work. All governmental systems that do work well, and also provide for the people (I.M.O.), are capitalist based systems that incorporate _some_ socialist principles.
Because we've essentially always been an oligarchy since the country's inception. Oligarchy is just nobility with the out the fancy titles that exude fancy rights. But about the same. "We're the rich bitches, we're the boss, love us or we'll ruin you."
Europe is moving to the right because they were being fooled by the left and I know because I have been going to Europe for 10 years now... Bernie is a moron and so are his followers. He says free and then high taxation. Moronic!
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I hear your concern, but this is normal in the first few hours of most Secular Talk uploads. There's a bunch of them who are subscribed just to vomit their garbage until they're finally drowned out by the actual audience. Remember, fewer than 30% of the US identify as Republicans, and even fewer agree with these talking points.
It was great how Bernie talked about healthcare for a long time and when Cruz started to bring up facts about healthcare Bernie tried to stop him. Bernie lost big time in this debate.
"Private Taxes" should be a phrase Progressives use constantly. We should use it to describe every time we pay individual bills for services that could be provided by a government social service. For instance, we should frame the discussion where we would eliminate private insurance premiums by cutting a $5,000 private tax and replacing it with a $3,000 government tax. We could eliminate a $40,000 private tax our college students pay for tuituion with a $700 government tax that everyone pays to invest in our children's future.
You can frame it however you want but the simple fact is that many people are not paying any health insurance premium now and many people will be paying far more than $5000 in extra taxes under your plan. The bottom 50% don't pay shit in federal income tax, only 3%, which means the rest pay for the lions share of any government programs they get including your universal health insurance which will just increase that tax disparity.
susynoid See the inner life... Have humility. If corrupt human vessels try to share services and act like a family without receiving hefty compensation of some form it will never work out in the long run. In the government format you would risk hidden corruption instead. Be honest with yourself - is life not more fun when you make profit, or when you win a competition? If you wish to restore all this the path is quite different.
@MajorLeague falácia Bernie Sanders toma vergonha nesta cara o senhor nesta idade .que exemplo o senhor esta dando au mundo e o povo Americano. Levando as coisas com mentiras .e sacanagem.o senhor e ticket de Perfumaria .tira a máscara .isto ai roda a mídia Sanders .
@MajorLeague como o senhor pode falar que eu sou generoso Bernie Sanders . se nos no conhecemos um au outro .como posso ser generoso com quem no e nada meu e sim um vigarista. Com quem você se encontra .em Trump .o seu check .banck .
Me, a Dane in Denmark: Actually, the co-pay to go to the doctor never became a thing. It was just a political discussion. Most people were against it, because "Poor people might put off going to the doctor - and then they'll become more ill." - And in Denmark, we actually have representative democracy, so they are more cautious to go against the will of the majority. (Still do it to some extent)
There was political debate a couple of years ago. Some of the right wing politicians wanted to put a small co-pay on seeing the family doctor. Most people were starch against it, however. - So it was never implemented.
In the UK we receive everything free, dental if your unemployed, and even if your employed you get cancer treatment, insulin, dialysis, anti-histamines, paracetamol, anti-depressants, asthma inhalers, organ transplants, blood transfusions, doctor appointments, literally everything is free. Our taxes are usually 5-8% of a single adults income per month which is £1.000-1.300 per month wage which is average. PS: We get 28 holiday days per year as average, paid for, so if you take a week of work, you get a full weeks wage in the bank account for having time off ;)
Not entirely correct. In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland NHS prescriptions are free for everyone, but in England there is a nominal charge of £8.40 per prescription for anyone who is not exempt due to low income (or other reasons). Taxes, including National Insurance contributions, are in the region of 25% of gross income - with taxes paid on the purchase of goods and services, and some other taxes, on top of that. Oh, and 28 days paid holiday (which includes 8 designated public holidays) is the legal _minimum_ for any full time employee. It may be the _median_ average, but the _mean_ average will be higher.
Without a doubt! I think that, unless the countries of the UK separate properly, at least as far as political decisions, taxation, etc. is concerned, people in all parts of the U.K. Should pay the same - but it's definitely far better than the US, even if I have to pay a token amount.
Yes, either of your areas in the UK are better than our shit wit country. I still import my Rx from Germany. $160 USD for 200 tablets (a year supply). If I get Rx here in the US without insurance its $200 for only 20 tablets, maybe 2 or 3 out breaks so it may only last 2 weeks or 3 months. And with insurance its $20 co-pay for 20 tablets, still cheaper to just buy them from Germany, $0.80 per pill from Germany, with insurance $1.00 per pill. And without insurance $20.00 per pill. If your on a high deductible plan, then there is no coverage for Rx... so back to $200 for 20 pills. Its an antiviral medication to treat cold sores... I work in the water and beverage industry so I like to not have outbreaks or at least get rid of them ASAP to eliminate contamination. When I was in the Air Force, the same pills were free as part of military health system called tri-care. Our systems in the US are ridiculous. Just allows our oligarchs to rape us. Soon, I wouldn't mind raping our oligarchs... open discussion among some of my nutty military friends that they have plans for that. I'm out of the killing business for now. But scares me. Makes me think about emigrating to Canada or Europe. When military is discussing open rebellion... not good.
Europeans have two kinds of conservatives. The kind that American conservatives would call leftie liberal communists, and the kind that Germany gets embarrassed by
And why I'd love to live there. Far right American conservatives are the most insufferable people I've ever dealt with. Their worldview is absolutely disgusting!!
Europe is a continent of completely different people. The conservatives of Poland, Denmark and Greece for example would be very very different. Your statement is simply not true at all
It honestly seemed more like this guy was asking Bernie the questions he was to get information more than to debate him. He was one of the first conservative people I've ever seen with Bernie where they never once cut Bernie off and just sat there and listened. It seems like he has respect for Bernie.
Hey guys! Bernie Sanders is coming over to my University (University of Toronto) on October 29th. He's giving a speech on Health Care. I'M SO EXCITED! I can meet him in person! I have no idea what to say to him! What would you guys say if you could meet him? EDIT: It's pretty funny too. I come from Maryland, but after the presidential elections I applied to Canadian universities to get out of this country.
If I earned a living wage, could go to college and see a doctor whenever I needed, and knew I wouldn't be headed to a homeless shelter if I lost my job, I would *happily* pay a 20% tax. All day. I wish I could get even part of that for 20%.
Actually in Denmark we pay an 8% labor tax pre deductibles. Then after the deductibles we pay a 39% base tax (people making over 85000/year pay 60% of every dollar above the 85grand). Everything we buy is sales taxed by 25%. So we pay a LOT of taxes. Gas is about 6,5$. We pay about 150% taxes on automobiles (a new vw passat is about 100.000$). BUT Healthcare, doctors appointments, school, college, roads is free. Highscool students above 18 years of age and college students get about a 1000$ in monthly stipend to attend classes. If you get injured physically or mentally you can work whatever hours you can manage (decided by professionals of course) and the state pays a salary supplement to a comfortable level. Minimum wage for an adult is about 80$/hour in general. It's not a simple job to compare our two countries income and taxes and I think our disposable income is about the same. In Denmark there is just a universal social security for whatever status you have.
@@Kurkess That's fascinating. I became physically disabled in 2015, but it wasn't until 4 years later that my disability claim was approved and I began receiving benefits. In that time period, I did not qualify for food benefits because, without the official label of "disabled" by a federal judge, we have to work at least half-time. Now that I'm official, I get $803 per month in disability benefits, my Medicare premium of $140 is paid by the State, as well as medication copays (Medicaid), and I get $90 per month for food. That's it. Without any family to lean on or share expenses with, it's incredibly difficult to make ends meet, even in a state with a low cost of living. Public housing does exist, but there's a 2 year waiting list. A living wage here is at least $15/hr., or about $2,500 per month. I worked since age 16 and learned multiple trades, paying into the system the whole time, but since I became disabled young, at age 35, I'm supposed to make it work with 40% of a bare-bones living wage. I think that's pretty messed up. You wouldn't believe the hoops they make me (us, disabled folks) jump through to keep the benefits from getting cut off, which is an awful thing to do to anyone who has it hard enough as it is. People should be able to focus on their health and not have to worry about falling below a certain minimum standard. But instead it's nonsense bureaucracy, constant housing insecurity, frequent food insecurity, and so much exploitation and abuse. All I want is a little place to live where I don't always have to worry about being kicked out and can have a little garden to grow food for myself and share with my neighbors. But instead, I live in a parking lot.
@@lisakukla459 I'm sorry to hear that Lisa. All the best to you. My wife is in a similar situation suffering from a combination from ADHD, chronic vulnerability to stress and a severe head injury from a couple of years ago. The system assessed in colaboration with her, that she could work effectively for 16 hours/week. With the state salary supplement she can now make about 4000$ before taxes. We are very grateful for that oppotunity when life hits you hard - but as stated nothing actually comes free. It's paid from the tax system. I guess it's the culture of the population that has to get behind the idea that the biggest bull pulls the most weight. We have to help the people who don't have the ressources to help themselves. Don't get me wrong though - we have our share of terrible bureaucracy.
The point Sanders is making is that the biggest expenses a family endures over a lifetime are health care premiums (outrageous for the average workers), bankruptcy due to illness in a severely overpriced, profit driven, healthcare system ( loads of fun and stress when it happens to the average worker), childcare when your kids are young, and a $40,000 college education bill multiplied by the number of children you have. It does take tax money to eliminate these expenses just as it takes tax money to pay for a police dept / fire dept / highway system (which we do happily), but, and this is the OBVIOUS point, when those first four expenses are eliminated, all American people ( republican, democrat, libertarian, white-lives-matter, black-lives-matter, neo-nazi, etc) benefit HUGELY. THE EXPENSES ELIMINATED ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE INCREASE IN TAXES!!! And when this takes place, I'm willing to bet that the amount of hate being tossed around in this country will also decrease since the financial stress level in everybody's life will decrease. America is going through a stress reaction. We are not a hateful people. We are all just so damn frustrated and scared from how hard it is to survive in America given the financial pressure we, each of the bottom 90%, are under. Of course, if you are top 5%, you are basically immune from these pressures due to your wealth. The top 5% don't need extra. They are doing okay. This is what Sanders is saying and I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.
I'm Danish and love to follow the American fight for justice. We generally have a very great society. I just thought that I would give a little info about our effective tax rates, because they are actually quite lower than Kyle thinks: - $32,600 (full time minimum wage): 33 % - $46,000 (average wage): 36 % - $80,000: 39 % - $350,000: 54 % These are my own calculation, but I know the system pretty well (I'm studying social science). Personally I think they are generally fair. Even though, I think low-income people should pay a bit less.
Could you give the equivalent in your native currency as I feel like the numbers are way too rounded to actually properly account for exchange rate flunctuations. Also, VAT tax is everywhere in Europe. You literally cannot get away with it. Most Americans pay very little in sales tax while in Europe, you basically have 20% sales tax across the board even for essentials like food.
Snape Nightmare. To clarify Thomas Grøns tax-brackets. I have seen Danish tax-brackets misunderstood by people in USA before. When we earn enough money to enter a higher tax-bracket, we only pay the higher % of the income above the former bracket-not the entire income.- Also there are lots of deductables: for each child/distance to work-place etc. I´m retired now, but when working I payed into my own personal retirement-fund, and I could deduct 42% of what I payed in.-- Only 5% of Danes pay more than 35% in income-tax, 75% of Danes pay LESS than 30% in income-tax. About VAT taxes, I guess people ,who consume more, pay more.
Because part of the tax are for the “kommune” like a state but way smaller, it can wary a bit. But yes those numbers you gave a probably around the average tax rates. Where I live it’s a bit lower.
Don’t forget all the corporate loop holes if they closed them how much more revenue in tax the US government would accumulate to pay for these things...
Thank you Kyle, Bernie is FDR politics. So many in this country need to refresh their memory of what that means. Main Street is desperate for what Bernie brings to the table
I remember being sick in Munich, and having to go to a local clinic. The cost for the doctor's visit and the antibiotics only cost me 25 Euros. I'm American, and not on the German healthcare system, but I still got to benefit from low cost quality healthcare.
While I overall agree with you it's not completely true. There is a fee on medical notes so yes you can go to the doctor for free but if you need something in writing it costs you a fee.
@@Eventyrpige In most cases the person that needs anything in writing for their company to get sick-leave with pay, is most often paid for by the company. As a normal citizen you can go to the doctor and to the hospital without having to pay anything. I just wanted to point out 2 huge flaws in that video, Theres no consultant fee of 10$ at the doctor and VAT is 25%.. It was purely to combat fake news about Denmark and the Scandinavian countries, something that has been an american trend for a while now.. First comparing Denmark to Venezuela and then stuff like this, its sad when people eat fake news raw.
@@tetea7257 - The conservative guy must have misunderstood. There was some political debate in Denmark shortly before this, where right wing politicians wanted a small co-pay on visits to the family doctor. - It was never implemented, however.
you are right .... when I speak to americans on my travels around the world ... and they ask about denmark ....they think im lying ... we are one of the most privileged countries in the world ;)
From discussions on the web, I get the impression that many conservatives don't get basic math. Every time, someone shows up who doesn't understand what per capita means. Per capita crime, per capita costs etc. They always go back "well that country is so much smaller duh". What Bernie said there is one important thing: "do Americans want to be a nation, or do they want to keep fighting, excluding and exploiting each other".
Black Wolf, I understand what "per capita" means and so do most who you talk to. There is more to the economy than that. Do you understand PPP? When you do that the US beats out Denmark. Out of the 13 nations with 100+ million people the US is number 1 in GDP per capita. But again, there is more to it than that. There is value in looking at population size. With a larger population you are dealing with more diversity, more cultures, more issues and more barriers. You are even dealing with more economies. How one state runs economically is different than another. One state's culture is different than another. Pushing for a one size fits all policy is challenging. If you ever study economics you will study sociological and cultural issues that you have to account for. In some areas of the country they desire higher taxes and more government where in others they don't. In WV they desire using coal as an energy source because that is a main driver of their economy. In NV they accept gambling as an economic source. In the midwest they accept farming. We are a nation under the Constitution on the idea that we are rights to control the government. What Bernie is doing is creating a country that wants to fight each other, mainly those who are lazy and refuse to work and produce with those that do work and produce.
Also, to add, when you say "per capita" you are making the assumption that everyone is equal as in personality, wants, needs, etc. That is simply not true.
What you're saying does not have anything to do with e.g. the mentioned healthcare issue. Of course all countries/populations are different, but that does not change the fact that the US system does not make any sense and is per capita more expensive at an insane level.
Here's basic math: In America the entire bottom 50% of earners pays only about 3% of the federal income taxes depending on year which means the top 50% pays taxes disproportionately and that disparity will become much worse with the added burden of universal healthcare which works out great for the bottom 50% that doesn't pay shit and not so well as the tax burden increases up the income spectrum. So, in a nutshell, the people with the most to gain aren't the ones paying for any of it.
@@agoogleuser3808 Many workers already pay for private insurance premiums, so the tax increases that counteract that don't have to be super progressive. And even if they are, have you seen the share of income the top 1% makes? It's over 20% right now, which is really high. Any policy against the rich is warranted until the income disparity gets back to normal levels.
What on earth did that other dude mean when he says we pay 10 dollars to go to the doctor... we dont pay anything for a doctor's visit. Just been to one lol... didnt pay a damn thing. And on a side note - I really love Bernie. Can listen to him all day.
Here's my situation...I work at a small company that provides healthcare coverage. It's a 60/40 cost slit between the company and myself and I pay $321 every 2 weeks or $642 every month for health insurance for a family of four (wife, 2 kids). That's $7,704 a year coming right off the top of my paycheck for I'd say pretty good coverage. If my taxes go up even $5,000 a year and I get free health care coverage for me and family I still make out with $2,704 extra in my pocket. What I'm also saying is the arguments against universal coverage are getting more flimsy by the day. Why do we need middle-men, for-profit insurance companies involved here? Do they have a bench of primary care physicians they're providing me access too? No. Are they really doing anything of value for consumers besides creating nice little website interfaces we can view? I'd say no. Also, Republicans can talk about taxes killing business growth all they want. However many business owners will tell you it's not the taxes that's hurting them. It''s the insurance costs on a company that's the bigger issue. Why not call the GOP's bluff on this and say fine, we're implementing universal coverage and taking the insurance burden for companies completely off the table! What can they possibly say about that!
I'm from Denmark. We have a high tax rate and i'm used to pay 38% of my paycheck back to the government. I dont mind cus i have a lot of benefits. Acturally i hate going to the dentist because it isn't free. I have to pay like $55 for a check up. I cant imagine if i had to pay for hospital, schools, and so on.
I've been in the hospital 3 times in my life. I've worked 30 years. I've paid way more than I got. Plus I have to pay an extra 25% on EVERYTHING that I buy. A coke? 25% extra. An apartment? 25% extra. I've paid WAY more than what I get. Denmark still does not have free dental for some odd reason.
Just need to correct this Dane here ;) It is not only free to go to the hospital. It's also completely tax-funded to go to the doctor xD so that $10 copay for every $1 not right. I do not really know where he got that from. He is asked: "How mush do the people in Denmark pay for health care when they go to the docktor" and he reply with "$10 copay for every $1""
Depends on if you choose to be in group one or two.. Group one: using same doctor.. no pay Group two, choose any doctor, pay small fee ( badic explanation)
It depends on if your in group 1 or 2. If your in group 2 you can choose to consult any doctor you want and you have to pay a bit extra for that because of the extra paper work.
in Norway you have a limit of almost 100$ in which you have to pay for consultances, after that you won't pay any more for the rest of the calender year. You just have to fill out a form at your doctors/I guess this is all electronical now (long time since I went). This includes public: checkups, psychology treatment, treatments, physio etc. Does not inlcude: drugs(pharmacy drugs) or private treatment (like MR scans which are often private). Drugs are sold at your doctors or you have to go to a pharmacy(apothecary). I can't remember what I paid the times I've had fractures or needed Xray but it was not much or it was free
Buller Anse We do not pay to go to a doctor,! So NO you are wrong,! And we only pay for privat Doctor’s & hospitals & kiropraktors ... & we Can search for help to pay medication so we maybe only pay Half Price & sometimes less then that!. Beacuse off taxes ! ... Have a good day by the angry dane
@MajorLeague Not even NHS, just single payer insurance. They can go to the same facilities. Almost everyone hates the private insurance system we have now.
@MajorLeague Public insurance. The facilities would still be private. Americans rate Medicare/Medicaid coverage more favorably than private coverage, though it was honestly closer than I thought it would be. news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx
Damm! How can people not vote for this guy?! It so common sense and so universally appealing. No hatred for different people, or blaming others for problems. Just we can do so much better for everyone, and there are real world, in action models that proves it works.
Every American I have ever known that have had any contact with any European healthcare system have immediately become a supporter of public healthcare. And they have said that they would be ready to pay more taxes for it too. So we are clearly doing something right here.
A comment to the end of the video: Bernie IS talking about social democracy, and NOT about democratic socialism, as you so well explain. The Scandinavian countries are all social democratic capitalist countries, and we would'nt have it the other way around. They are NOT socialist countries and never will be. And should anyone be afraid that it is a slippery slope towards socialism, consider this: Would we wote for a politician that'd take away all ownership from every houseowner, factoryowner etc.? Errh, no. Not in a million years. We need the capitalistic drive. A military coup is not possible either - our military is wayyy to small for that :-P A well known objection to Bernie's talks is that cancelling out capitalism takes away the incentive to develop, to expand, and to work hard for a chance to become a success. This is quite true. Socialism in it's pure form has'nt worked anywhere yet, because it demands that everybody has a social conscience towards their fellow man. That country does'nt exist imo. You need to have a government to force everybody to contribute to the common good, and through taxes collect the funds needed for the social benefits, the education and the healthcare for all. I pay all my danish taxes willingly and proudly, because I know they'll be put to good use for us all. And I'm no saint...
Apart from Cuba and Costa Rica, Scandinavia is the closest any modern (1900+) country has gotten to successfully follow a socialist ideology; people just don't get what socialism is because the think it has something to do with the Soviet Union or communism and the fascistish ways of thinking they had. Well SU had nothing to do with Socialism except they USED the people by employing propaganda and a false belief that the people was worth something at all, then exploited them horrifically. China is not socialist it's capitalist. North Korea is not socialist (by the way by the very nature of socialsim, you can not have a dictator, then it will cease to be that) My point is, Scandinavia has the most democrating AND socialist countries in the world, which is both fascinating and ironic, considering the stigmas brought with both terms. We basically just made it work by doing what you logically were supposed to do to begin with. I don't care about taxes, everybody pays taxes. You can still get rich for sure, you just need to actually work for it here (or/and be creative) instead of just inheriting dad's company and do one degree of economics (which you buy usidng dads money). I know some certainly try to "cheat" their way like in true capitalist countries, but it never really works. Sorry for the long rant, I should not be on youtube during one of these #moods
Oh in Denmark we have 5 weeks of paid vacation as well by law. and in many private companies, you get the 6th week as an added benefit. along with lots of other stuff.
Bernie's questions and comments to the guy from Denmark gives me the impression that he actually knows what he's talking about and not merely making stuff up (as Ted and so many right wingers routinely do) to support the argument for his agenda.
Trust me even I am a conservative here in Denmark, and I agree with this guy. The US is marketing on the “land of opportunities”, when in fact we here in Denmark give ourself healthcare and education by taxes so that every man and woman have some what of equal set to make their goals in life... Average tax rate here in DK are 37-38%
Im not even sure the taxes would be that higher for the middle classes and working classes, might even be the same or less. The US has a vastly bigger economy simply due to its large population and access to resources so its got a huge business base that are getting a free ride to take the profits off working class labor and the physical resources that can be taxed like any sensible country would. The US can have the best of all worlds, but the vulture grip on the country by the 1% has to be severed first
Because the US is much bigger, we would not need as high taxes per person, mathematically it should be much easier for us to have a welfare state than Denmark
Americans really don't know how badly they are getting ripped off. I'm an american expat living in South Korea, which has universal healthcare. It's one of the main reasons I do not move back to the US.
Banned By Wonkette Again, Australia, Canada, and Germany are multicultural and have very high immigration, and universal healthcare still works very well. So there goes your point.
As an American expat like me, what if Bernie's plan got passed? As an American, we have to pay our taxes still, even if we're expats living overseas. Your taxes would go up, but you wouldn't personally benefit from it since you're not in America. You would still support Bernie's plan?
multicultural is not the same as multi-ethnic. The US is more like Brazil than any of the nations you listed. Canada is 85% white. Thats your example? Australia has no immigration for quite some time. Try again
Matthew Abolins You’re wrong. Expats who live abroad do not have to pay federal income taxes unless they earn over $101,300 dollars a year. Its called the foreign earned income exclusion. Look it up: IRS form 2555-EZ. The reason why is because expats have to pay income taxes on their earnings to the resident country where they live and work. Also paying income tax to the US government is literally getting double taxed. I dont make more than 100K a year, but if I did, yes, i would happily pay my fair share. Part of the reason is because i would in fact get the benefits of a universal healthcare system whenever i visit the US or if I ever moved back.
Denmark isn't socialist. We're socialdemocrats.
Sincerely, a dane.
Please explain the difference. Socialism is also a democratic system.
Please explain the difference. Socialism is also a democratic system.
@@josegimenez1228 No. The main difference is that a country like Venezuela which was compared to Denmark a while ago for whatever stupid reason has a dominant party system so it's dominated by the socialist party. In Denmark all sides are equally heard and the liberalist party has won numerous times. That is how it's a social democracy. The only difference is that our common values stay the same no matter the party. We would never trade away our healthcare system.
@@josegimenez1228 Democratic socialists are socialists.
Social Democrats are capitalists with a focus on social programs.
There is some over lap.
@@WillemoesJ No, Venezuela has several problems:
1: a culture of corruption and profiteering.
2: A recent history of dictatorships.
3: economic warfare by the US. That's the big one.
It's not socialism that's their problem.
It's absolutely amazing to me that most Americans don't understand this concept.
A good amount of Danes don't understand it and want more capitalism and abuse of people to benefit profit for the rich... Which is even more insane...
@@Erebus2075 Agreed, the same is true for any other Western European country I guess. People only realize what they have after they lost it and need it.
That's because of their wording. The socialist ideal is that you pay an extra $10, but then save an extra $40 (for example), but conservatives all panic and scream "They'll make you pay $10!!!", then go out of their way to make sure you don't learn about how much you save.
Why would they do it? Because mega corporations will lose millions of dollars (Which for them, is around 1%-10% of their profit), but they don't want that, they want more and more and more, so they will pay media outlets to scare you into voting for people who'll hurt you, convincing you that the alternative is worse, when in reality, it's not.
No, they understand it, but they are told that only the rich will be taxed. Who will be taxed then?
JustHereForPopcorn Let me rephrase what you just said. _People don’t realize what they have that other’s do not._
You would be surprised about the Danish conservatives. For example the current head of the Conservative party is a married gay man
William Garred they’re not married!
@@michaelpinholt6039 yet...
what!? No im actually surprised by that. I feel so fucken backwards
You such a sexist
Alex you aren’t obligated to embrace everything you see and hear in a free country.
Denmark gets back helpful benefits from their taxes?! HOW INSANE!! Its almost like taxes are supposed to invest into citizens and not just be a blank check for the military, corporations or the rich but that can't be right. Clearly they're doing it wrong.
Taxes should stay with the people and not used on strangers that fucked up their own lives with dumb actions
@@dumbdumber7203 go live on a boat by yourself in the ocean if you don't want to take care of your fellow American. True patriots don't want you here. Only people that have never left the country think the way you do. Maybe it's you that needs financial help if even obtaining a passport is such a burden for you.
@@booststation8345 Det kan jeg ikke, da jeg ikke er en taber.
@@booststation8345 spot on!
Dumb Dumber well I see that as a investment into the poor that can work and improve their education and if they can’t pay everything back they still have their children that get investments by us as well and can pay back the investments and those of his/her parents. The history has confirmed it, a similar system is the „Generationenvertrag“ Generation Contract where older people invest in the development of the youth so they can later pay the pensions of the older people and invest again into the new generation. Works in Germany for decades and well we pay less if we would do it all through private companies and insurances.
Grüße aus Deutschland
Even if you don't like Bernie, listen to how he speaks compared to Trump. It's embarrassing to be American right now.
@Edward Roberts That's what you hear. I hear a man who can actually complete a sentence.
Conservatives in Denmark actually listen to the other side.
I'd say that is is depending very much on the issue.
Black Film Guild seems so, huh? So much more reasonable.
What is considered conservative in Denmark?
+Scorpio Bernie would be considered a conservative in Denmark.
Leland Walker That is a strange thing to say in America.
Nordic Countries: We have a economic system that not only benefits everybody, we also have higher happiness than you. Why stay?
U.S.: sOCiALiSTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Edward Roberts can you base that on some facts or should i say #fakenews...because you feel offended and cant see that Boone Keller is pretty much spot on....btw real class been racist
Edward Roberts Thank you for your nice comment...i really love how that comment made no sence...and the fact you act like a 9 year old who cant come up withe a comeback...soo let me tell it like you are 5...racism bad Edward, you bad bad boy, just because other kids have an IQ higher than you it do not mean you have to insult them
MajorLeague and what do you mean by that
Sucide rate in the USA is higher than Denmark
@MajorLeague According to data from WHO sadly it's from 2016 but is the newest they have.
The United States is nr 34 on the list over highest Suicide rate in the world "higher on the list being bad", where as the Nordic countries is, Sweden: 51, Norway: 74, Denmark: 89. Only country in Scandinavia topping The US is Finland being nr 32, but that place is cold as shit.
Pretty much.
Bombs aren't an investment, people are
ShiningArmor359 I dunno, seems like Bernie was dropping bombs on Ted Cruz.
Logic won't work in USA, they want guns so they can shoot anyone if they have a gun.
I honestly don't get how a whole people can be so irrational and devoid of logic, but each to themselves
Denmark is an amazing country. I miss living there, I hope to move back one day.
Come back!
@@Lewna86 My son is half danish and lives abroad. The Corona crisis has made his Danish passport his most prized possesion.
möchtegern däne not surprised, i have heard the same from others with dual citizenship
Denmark here I come they actually care about their citizens
david smith yes we do....and as we never have to be worried walking around our cities in the middle of the Night....we know nothing happens to us....ppl respect one another.....as goes for Norway and Sweden by the way.....
@@annetteljungberg1288 and non of us are very belligerant in international politics either, though sweden and denmark has a kind of sibling rivelary. as a swed i can tell you we have many jokes about danes... though it´s mostly just poking fun due to the... let´s just say... rough history we have between each others
@ lunsen 402 oh you are swedish Well u know 🇩🇰❤️🇸🇪 in soooo many ways, and yes its funny with the "rough" love between us due to our turbulent history 😂 lets keep it to rivalry in Eurovision and at the football ( soccer) matches 😂 btw Im 1/2 swedish 😂 just look at my last name....kram ❤️
@@annetteljungberg1288 I agree we should keep the rivalry in the Eurovision and football. seems better then murdering each other like we did in the past i mean we´ve had something like 27 wars between us or something
You are more than welcome. I look forward to see you!
A conservative in Denmark is left-wing in the US, I guess.
VeteranVandal amazing
Obama just recently said in an interview that in the 1980's his positions would have made him a moderate republicans. Hillary, if you discount her weaksauce stands on social issues, would be a far right Republican. Now.
It is a complete trip: They even have a party in Denmark... Christian Democrats. Ok, so a rightwing party. But do you know what makes them really different from "christian" republicans? Wait for it.... They actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
anvior45 What a bunch of commies, AM I RITE?
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VeteranVandal Any single thing remotely left wing automatically makes an american politician a "hardcore marxist".
Better yet. You might call them "liberal marxists"... despite the fact that it's one of the biggest oxymorons in existence.
Bernie is a moderate on an international political scale. Our country is really far right and that needs to change.
Yes, we pay a lot of tax in Scandinavia, but we also have a living wage everywhere. Fast food workers make a minimum of $ 20 hourly in Denmark. for example.
FoX Really, how does that translate to other professions or smaller businesses with less employees, is their product more expensive are there tax deductions, I do not know, just trying to educate myself.
Really? That's cool. Wait staff in the US they don't even pay minimum wage.
drunkenchef24 They earn proportionally more depending on their job, just like in the US, the difference is even minimum wage workers will still have some disposable income leftover to spend, therefor increasing consumption of goods which in turn increases the demand and creates opportunities for big and small businesses. It's a virtuous cycle that stimulates economic growth and jobs creation, keeping the velocity of money high, instead of it just accumulating at the top with each cycle.
And how much does a Big Mac costs in Denmark?
Someone from Scandinavia I think Norway commented on how expensive take-out food is in his country, even for fast food. No one can afford to go out very much since it is so pricey even for a big MAc.
As obvious, the negatives seem to be left out.
Also velocity of money really doesn't means anything. Venezuela has the highest velocity of money in the world. The money literally can't be spend fast enough since it is losing value so fast. Printing more money, to make money spin faster is in no way going to improve your economy in any way.
@ Snape Nightmare
Wow, terrible food for you is more expensive, WHAT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
Better to have 10,000s die every year from lack of healthcare, bomb foreign countries so corporations can make billions while taxpayers spend trillions for it, and so on.
Bernie 2020
Bernie 2020 to infinity
sadly trump will probably shoot him on live tv before he lets that happen. he knows bernie would get so much done with every politician afraid of him that it would be the end of trump`s party, his crazy they-should-be-in-jail friends, his brand and everything he ever signed while in office.
coyote fang Fuck that, Bernie for Emperor of Terra!!!
I'd vote for Bernie's dead body over the vast majority of other likely candidates.
I want to move my family to Denmark. I do not care about the taxes.
Bernie is right.
💥Vote for real change.
Im a dane, and hell must freeze over before i would consider living in the us. Do i feel heavily taxed??? No! Because i know the money i pay in taxes are well spend. In my life i feel safe, knowing that i have free acces to healthcare etc, police, firedep etc.
It really doesnT matter what the tax is, because you pay the same percentages as the guy next door.
I believe that the reason, that danes are called a happy nation lies within the fact, that we live safe lives
I'm happy that Bernie gets to be heard , even if is too late ... now people are realizing how great America can be under a true leader like Bernie Sanders.
Remember people, a fee imposed by a private corporation is THE SAME as a tax. The FEE makes the corporation wealthier, but the TAX benefits everyone. What would you rather pay????
The Market Liberal That does not make sense.
Taxes are not optional. The government has a monopoly on violence.
Private corporation can't send armed thugs to your house to collect their money. That is only reserved for the great government.
They are called PMC's or mercenaries and they are used by corporations, mostly in countries with armed conflict and there is nothing stopping them from using them on the USA. Just like they use them in Africa, the middle east and latin america.
Not a matter of "If" but of "is", no reason there was that meme from citigroup a few years ago that said the US had become a plutocracy.
Some of the replies here clearly illustrate the moronic, selfish attitude of US citizens, basically:
" couldn't care less if I end up worse of because I don't get healthcare/education/or whatever if, through no fault of my own, I end up needing the help - as long as I don't have any obligation to help others while I'm doing well financially."
I'm Danish.
What he said was correct.
But remember, that European conservatism is somewhat different from US conservatism.
Anyway ... all parties in Denmark support the single payer health care. It's simply just a tool for equality of opportunity. Not for equality of outcome. I'm a member of a (geo)libertarian party. We also support the single payer system.
They are also often more aware of environmental issues and not opposed to decent social institutions.
Although proponents of free markets they don't have the knee-jerk anti-government reaction US conservatives have.
In Denmark they historic slogan was "God, King and Fatherland". But one have to be aware that very few religious people in Denmark are as radical as they are in the US, so mostly it's about preserving the institutions of society. Like conservatism originally was.
Also ... as a Georgist, the Conservative party is kinda our arch nemesis. Since we strongly disagree on wrt. a Land Value Tax. But we *do* agree about health care and meaningful education for all.
Yeah... well... I subscribe to a somewhat generalized form of Georgism. To primarily tax externalities, monopolies and use of natural opportunities. Henry George mad good elaborate arguments, but you really don't need more than Thomas Paine to explain the moral classical liberal foundation.
To bring it more closer to our times, I think Joseph Stiglitz has a lot of very good observations wrt. what we need for our future economy.
No. But I do. Also across generations... and that's a core part of geo-libertarianism since Thomas Paine.
In the late 1700 there was not much difference. Since progressivism has diverged from what Thomas Paine stood for.
Now ... first. Let me say that just as I think US "liberals" are misusing the term "liberalism", I can perfectly understand if someone think US "progressives" nowadays are misusing the term "progressivism".
Nevertheless: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism#Contemporary_mainstream_political_conception
My point was that what Thomas Paine argues in "Agrarian Justice" is basically a geo-libertarian argument.
Also, Thomas Paine lays out the basic liberal (as in the original meaning) human rights in "Rights of Man" including the point that current generations have no right to take freedom from future generations.
Bernie knocked it out of the park.
He didnt answer the question
As a Scandinavian I has actually taken me many years after following American politics to actually GRASP that this is a point that needs to be explained to Americans.
Whether I pay $ 1000 to a company to give me a service or $ 1000 in taxes to get the same services should not make a dam difference. Actually it does make some difference but that is benefitting the tax option. If you get sick and can't work, taxes go down, so you have to pay less to get the same service. Hence the tax option offers better protection against unforeseen events. That is EXACTLY what you need for something like health care.
Health care needs are by definition unforeseen. You buy bread every day, so you can plan for that. You don't need to pay government taxes to get bread. However you cannot plan for a 1 million dollar cancer treatment. Nobody regular person can save up for that. But since not everybody will get cancer we can pull resources together and spread the risk. That is the point of taxes in this context: Risk spreading.
People may say, you can buy private insurance for that. But insurance cannot offer insurance against unemployment and income loss. Cancer treatment is not merely about an expensive treatment but also about getting knocked out to the labour market due to the long time it takes to get better and not being able to work. If you could buy insurance against income loss, then people would be tempted to be unemployed. Sure that happens in welfare states too, but that is why welfare states have systems to push people back into work. Insurance companies would then essentially have to replicate all the mechanisms of a welfare state within a private company.
Bernie is poetic with his words and how he inspires others.
This man should be President right now smh
Knicks Owner well he's not and he went and joined up with the people that screwed him out of the nomination. Says a lot about Bern.
5 00 There's a thing called context. Use it or better yet quit being a smear merchant.
Devonzell Pernell but what I said was 100% accurate, right?
Keknology
Gotta try harder troll. Can see the hook clear as day through that bait.
1/10
Knicks Owner no one will let him be President
What does it say about the GOP when the only one with balls enough to debate him is Ted, the Hobgoblin?
PaleGhost69 well to be fair senators Graham and Cassidy went on to debate Bernie about their weak healthcare bill and looked ashamed of themselves the entire time.
It's not about having the balls, Ted Cruz just wants to run for President again.
"The Hobgoblin" Imma use this nickname for him until I die
marla79 That was a debate? Seemed more like a massacre.
The same thing it says about the democrats that Bernie is the only one brave enough to debate Ted the diddler
I saw a realclearpolitics article that spun this part of the debate as a bad moment for Bernie Sanders, implying that the conservative Danish guy who entirely agreed with him, somehow disproved everything he wants to do.
"realclearpolitics". Smh...
To add context to anyone who doesn't know: RCP is a pro-GOP site.
Selvy - thank you. I figured by context, but that's good to say.
Luckily we have news outlets online like Secular Talk, The Jimmy Dore Show, TYT Politics, The Humanist Report, TYT Nation, etc... etc... To combat those dumbass Right Wing talking points.
You mean PC SJW politics?
“If you do the math” - that’s where you lost the average Americans... (no disrespect to the people but your system was intentionally built like that)
[sigh] If we do the math, we can see that the bottom 50% don't pay shit in taxes in the US and the upper 50% will just wind up supporting them on universal healthcare just like everything else. So if you are actually paying taxes in America there is no way you are going to pay taxes to cover the added expense of "free" healthcare for the bottom 50% who will be paying almost nothing in taxes themselves and come out ahead.
welp, you know what they say. ignorance is bliss.
@MajorLeague well, Norway, Finland and Denmark are all in the top of happyness charts.
@MajorLeague I don't remember that the marshall plan included Scandinavian countries but ok
@MajorLeague you didn't clarify whether scandinavia was included in the marshall plan?
even if it was assisted,It has nothing To do with what economic system is best
Just to clear a few more details on, the tax system in Denmark..
We have our working week hours fixed, at 37 hours with the ordinary tax-lvl at 43%.. Every amount earned in overtime, is taxed at a 50% reduction, for the next 4 hours of overtime. That means after a 41 hour week, you only pay 21-22% taxes. And it gets lower, the more hours you put Into work, during 1 full week. And a new tax-period begins again, and so on.
On top of that.. Every hour overtime, your have during Sundays and public holidays, pays 100%. So its greatly exaggerated, that we have "unreasonable" high taxes..
BTW.. During 1 work year, every employee earns 5 annual insured weeks of vacation, also payed and to free disposal, of every worker, with no exceptions what so ever..
And all those rights are negotiated, from a joined committee, formed of every single union. For a term of 2-4 years depending on, the speciffications according to the agreement, in that valid period wich is determent.
But what do you know... That's called socialism in some part's of the World.
In Denmark we call it, good old hard work. And a healthy enviroment, to further new and stronger initiatives.
In early 2015, I got diagnosed with a rare, cancer-like disease that developed a tumor in my head. After 8 months of chemotherapy, which had modest impact on the tumor, I had to turn to a clinical trial of a drug. Every month I paid close to $200 in premiums, on top of what my employer paid, and the $5,000 deductible, which i got hit with every calendar year. Also, I spent half my waking days on the phone with insurance paper pushers arguing about coverage.This was the scenario while working for a financial firm in America. If I have to pay extra in taxes so that everyone has decent health insurance, so be it. I wouldn't wish my dreadful experience on anyone, including Nancy Pelosi or Donald Trump, Jr.
Just replying about the the financial side of drug research. If you had a government run system like Bernie wants to implement, the drug that you needed could very well not have existed in the first place.
Drug companies need to make their money back on drug research that is very risky and very low return.For example, they might invest money in 100 promising drugs, and only have 1 drug that can actually be marketed. They need to have high enough margins on the successful ones to make up for all of the failures.
In a government run system, drug researchers would be restricted in the prices they could charge for drugs, and the limit will likely be a low amount since government are always trying to find more money.(A problem that will be exasberated the more sectors the government tries to take over.)
It basically wouldn't work if everyone switched to single payer because the US with the huge market it has is currently subsidizing other government systems in the world. The companies are able to make the profit in the US, and thus can charge less in other places, but it wouldn't work once you remove their main profit source. The drugs would simply dissapear if there isn't enough of a return on investment, and everyone would be worse off in that scenario.
Snape Nightmare. The cost of developing new drugs are already shared with tax-payers. A lot of public funded university-scientists are working with pharma-companies. Once the cost of developing new drugs are shared, most are not that expensive to produce.Denmark has highly specialized pharma-companies.One of them- Novo Nordisk - cover 10-20% of USA-market for diabetes (Victoza).In market-value it is the "richest" company overall in Dk.
I, in Denmark, got breastcancer back in 2011. I got operation, treatment, reconstruction and all things without having to handle any papers or ask for anything. Hadn't a clue what these things would cost if I would have had to pay. And I hadn't a worry in the world as whatever would happen to me, my kids could continue their universty studies as our kids don't depend on their parents purse.
But most of all: I like living amongst a population where I know that everyone is taken care of the same way. You might be young or old, richer or poorer. Nobody has to end up in the street and everyone gets the health care needed.
Incredible...
I swear, I'll work for that future!
No time like the present to join that fight. Help us take over the democratic party so they can't screw progressive candidates in 2018.
"Well, duh" I stop myself from yelling out every 10 seconds.
I'm norwegian, this "extreme" thing Bernie wants, is what I consider to be normal.
Just as a matter of fact, in France, the Sécurité Sociale (NHS) spends about 5% of all the money that is collected, into internal management: employee salaries, computer infrastructure, medical records and so one. In other words, 95% of the money is invested in hospitals, drugs and doctors, to actually cure people.
In a typical insurance company, about 60% to 80% of all premiums is usually absorbed into administration costs (including shareholders), which means that out of 100 dollars payed in premium, less than 40 dollars is redistributed. The rest is literally embezzled by these companies. No surprise then, that Americans pay so much more on health care than other countries. They actually DO not finance their health care system, they pay a corporate tax to very a lucrative business...
@MajorLeague Bullshit
@MajorLeague Tell me why America is ranked last out of the 35 developed countries for healthcare then? if its so great at providing it and money for it
MajorLeague wonderful, the rich will be so happy
All I could say is WOW! I love Bernie Sanders more and more every single day!!!
Conservatives don't do math...or science, logic, reading comprehension, etc... Overall the problem is America is too stupid on both sides of the political fence for someone like Bernie.
Bernie has very little facts on his side in this debate. Bernie looked like a fool and went with only emotions. He literally contradicted himself here.
" First you raise taxes only on the very rich, demonstrate that this has positive effects for the country, then push more progressive taxes, show the positive effects, etc. It has to be a gradual change"
I see that as eventually full government take over of the market. You may call it gradual but eventually everyone will be paying 50% or more.
I regards to Denmark they are not any better than the US. I don't see why people are so quick to model them.
"They are much better than the US. "
Based on what? To start, you are comparing countries with much different sizes and completely different cultures. To give a small example, no country has a NCAA like program attached to their colleges. How do you account for that when you push for "free college"?
"Also, a lot of people seem to forget that the U.S. used to have 70%+ tax rates in the 70's"
Which very few pay.
"You can also see that under democrats there is a significantly higher GDP growth % than under republicans who want tax cuts."
Here are some factors
1. Under Clinton we had a republican congress, now who controls the purse?
2. Following WWII every other nation was rebuilding while the US wasn't giving us an advantage economically, so no matter who was in office we would have been fine. Under Eisenhower we were great with over 7% growth twice. That followed Truman where he did it once in that time. Never happened under Kennedy or LBJ though.
In 1967 there were 155 Americans who earned over $200,000 at that time who paid $0 in federal taxes. That was under LBJ. Seems like a tax cut for the rich did well.
whyamimrpink78 I supposed you may think that if watched while sticking your fingers in your ears while screaming 'nah, nah, nah'.
and what's hilarious is a right-leaning, crowder and info wars spewing conservative will say the EXACT SAME THING about liberals/the left. Don't know science, don't understand math or economics, bad reading comprehension, too stupic to know wtf going on, etc, etc. Such a broken fucking country.
The US don't need to learn from Denmark. Just listen to Bernie Sanders, he got most of it right and seem to have found a combination of American traditions and values, and Democratic Socialism.
He is a better politician than most of the politicians we have here when it comes to compassion and honesty.
Bernie sanders is a moron who lets feelings override any set of basic moral principles he once may have had.
It is ok to have opinions ... :) ... from what I have seen, heard and read he seems to have been pretty consistent on most things, and many more than other politicians... I would not agree with you.
Frederik Holmgren GlobalWarmingSceptic always criticizes Bernie but he can't give any reason why.
Democratic Socialism is different from pure socialism. Fucking lib.
I would like to think I know the US constitution as much as any non-us person ... and as far as I know your statement would be right if you talk about Communism, and not Socialism... The US contains many Socialistic aspects (infrastructure, police, firefighting, early education)... But using Communism and Socialism interchangeably is wrong...
My life-saving asthma inhaler costs me $240 a MONTH! I would GLADLY have that go to a single payer tax system instead, and get the same thing for free or little charge. AND it'll help other people too, instead of just my prescription.
Why not ask Medicare recipients? ... it's a much larger sample size and ... oohhh, hey ... they seem to approve of it :)
WTF. Inhalers cost about $5 or less to make. Where does all that money go?
daz7887 I know, right?! Wish I knew...possibly to the manufacturer CEO pockets. 😢
The Market Liberal My dad is vet as well and likes the VA medical. Of course its not perfect, and is no where near as good as the single payer systems in Canada and Scandanavia. Either way you like to spin it, the people in Europe love their healthcare, while we never have loved ours.
Frederik Holmgren the entire workin population supports the small number of Medicare recipients...please tell me you understand how/why that concept isn’t scalable???
As a Swede, I pay 33% tax because I’m in the lower tax bracket, while still enjoying the benefits. Think about that. It’s not that different.
I love these videos. This guy really knows his shit and has a great use of logic to explain why society taking care of its own is worth it.
I find it hard to believe the US is a "society" at all. Its a bunch of societies in an area of land, who would gladly destroy the other for pennies.
The hilarious thing is, is that Bernie is actually pretty centre left in Europe and the UK... shows how fucking far the US is completely off the fucking spectrum to the right
Privately speaking he is actually a socialist. He's not center-left ideologically, but he realizes the US is so far right that he can't go out and say he wants to abolish capitalism as his platform and have any chance of making any change. He is a reformist democratic socialist, which means his end goal is still socialism, but that he realizes the US needs to go through a gradual process of social democracy before it's ready to democratically adopt an actually socialist system. As a Norwegian I can absolutely say he's ideologically far more left wing than the vast majority in our center-left Labor party and is ideologically more akin to someone from our left wing socialist left or red parties.
I'm gonna' disagree with you there *grundiosa, * I think that Bernie understands that 'pure' socialism does not work.
All governmental systems that do work well, and also provide for the people (I.M.O.), are capitalist based systems that incorporate _some_ socialist principles.
Because we've essentially always been an oligarchy since the country's inception.
Oligarchy is just nobility with the out the fancy titles that exude fancy rights. But about the same.
"We're the rich bitches, we're the boss, love us or we'll ruin you."
They can thank God that they are so far to the right. Source: I am a German.
Europe is moving to the right because they were being fooled by the left and I know because I have been going to Europe for 10 years now... Bernie is a moron and so are his followers. He says free and then high taxation. Moronic!
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I hear your concern, but this is normal in the first few hours of most Secular Talk uploads. There's a bunch of them who are subscribed just to vomit their garbage until they're finally drowned out by the actual audience. Remember, fewer than 30% of the US identify as Republicans, and even fewer agree with these talking points.
Im not talking about secular talk videos, but rather the full lenght debate videos
Ever thought that Bernie lost that badly? I watched the debate and like the healthcare debate it wasn't even close.
It was great how Bernie talked about healthcare for a long time and when Cruz started to bring up facts about healthcare Bernie tried to stop him.
Bernie lost big time in this debate.
"Private Taxes" should be a phrase Progressives use constantly. We should use it to describe every time we pay individual bills for services that could be provided by a government social service. For instance, we should frame the discussion where we would eliminate private insurance premiums by cutting a $5,000 private tax and replacing it with a $3,000 government tax. We could eliminate a $40,000 private tax our college students pay for tuituion with a $700 government tax that everyone pays to invest in our children's future.
You can frame it however you want but the simple fact is that many people are not paying any health insurance premium now and many people will be paying far more than $5000 in extra taxes under your plan. The bottom 50% don't pay shit in federal income tax, only 3%, which means the rest pay for the lions share of any government programs they get including your universal health insurance which will just increase that tax disparity.
susynoid See the inner life... Have humility. If corrupt human vessels try to share services and act like a family without receiving hefty compensation of some form it will never work out in the long run. In the government format you would risk hidden corruption instead. Be honest with yourself - is life not more fun when you make profit, or when you win a competition?
If you wish to restore all this the path is quite different.
@MajorLeague falácia Bernie Sanders toma vergonha nesta cara o senhor nesta idade .que exemplo o senhor esta dando au mundo e o povo Americano. Levando as coisas com mentiras .e sacanagem.o senhor e ticket de Perfumaria .tira a máscara .isto ai roda a mídia Sanders .
@MajorLeague como o senhor pode falar que eu sou generoso Bernie Sanders . se nos no conhecemos um au outro .como posso ser generoso com quem no e nada meu e sim um vigarista. Com quem você se encontra .em Trump .o seu check .banck .
It's time for Bernie!! It's long overdue!!! Bernie2020
first time I have EVER seen a American understand socialism in a Scandinavian way.
Me, a Dane in Denmark: Actually, the co-pay to go to the doctor never became a thing. It was just a political discussion.
Most people were against it, because "Poor people might put off going to the doctor - and then they'll become more ill."
- And in Denmark, we actually have representative democracy, so they are more cautious to go against the will of the majority. (Still do it to some extent)
Bernie is the true definition of America.
Thomas MacKelly america is literally capatalism , shutup , bernie goes against what americans believe , unless youre poor and want govnt help
goodcomment1994 Except roads, schools, police, fire and garbage services is socialism. America is not literal capitalism.
goodcomment1994 Lol so Medicare, public schools, cops, firefighters, public roads, social security, and most prisons are literally captialist?
goodcomment1994 No, we're a literal Social Democracy which is what Bernie is; he just wants to expand the welfare state.
goodcomment1994 If you're poor you deserve that..why would anybody disagree with that.
What a breath of fresh air. That was inspirational.
When you go to the doctor here in Denmark you pay zero. Nada. Zilch. Where did he get $10 from?
you pay the 10 dollers thru tax ,you dont get the bill ,it is just payed :P
@@kentnielsen8034 that's not what he meant though.
There was political debate a couple of years ago. Some of the right wing politicians wanted to put a small co-pay on seeing the family doctor. Most people were starch against it, however. - So it was never implemented.
Someone needs to teach Americans how not to be stupid.
We struggle with that one
In the UK we receive everything free, dental if your unemployed, and even if your employed you get cancer treatment, insulin, dialysis, anti-histamines, paracetamol, anti-depressants, asthma inhalers, organ transplants, blood transfusions, doctor appointments, literally everything is free. Our taxes are usually 5-8% of a single adults income per month which is £1.000-1.300 per month wage which is average. PS: We get 28 holiday days per year as average, paid for, so if you take a week of work, you get a full weeks wage in the bank account for having time off ;)
Not entirely correct.
In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland NHS prescriptions are free for everyone, but in England there is a nominal charge of £8.40 per prescription for anyone who is not exempt due to low income (or other reasons).
Taxes, including National Insurance contributions, are in the region of 25% of gross income - with taxes paid on the purchase of goods and services, and some other taxes, on top of that.
Oh, and 28 days paid holiday (which includes 8 designated public holidays) is the legal _minimum_ for any full time employee. It may be the _median_ average, but the _mean_ average will be higher.
@obscure Ah that makes sense, i'm from scotland myself, its still a thousand fold better than that festering shithole called america :p
Without a doubt!
I think that, unless the countries of the UK separate properly, at least as far as political decisions, taxation, etc. is concerned, people in all parts of the U.K. Should pay the same - but it's definitely far better than the US, even if I have to pay a token amount.
Yes, either of your areas in the UK are better than our shit wit country. I still import my Rx from Germany.
$160 USD for 200 tablets (a year supply). If I get Rx here in the US without insurance its $200 for only 20 tablets, maybe 2 or 3 out breaks so it may only last 2 weeks or 3 months.
And with insurance its $20 co-pay for 20 tablets, still cheaper to just buy them from Germany, $0.80 per pill from Germany, with insurance $1.00 per pill. And without insurance $20.00 per pill.
If your on a high deductible plan, then there is no coverage for Rx... so back to $200 for 20 pills.
Its an antiviral medication to treat cold sores... I work in the water and beverage industry so I like to not have outbreaks or at least get rid of them ASAP to eliminate contamination.
When I was in the Air Force, the same pills were free as part of military health system called tri-care.
Our systems in the US are ridiculous. Just allows our oligarchs to rape us. Soon, I wouldn't mind raping our oligarchs... open discussion among some of my nutty military friends that they have plans for that.
I'm out of the killing business for now. But scares me. Makes me think about emigrating to Canada or Europe.
When military is discussing open rebellion... not good.
Europeans have two kinds of conservatives. The kind that American conservatives would call leftie liberal communists, and the kind that Germany gets embarrassed by
And why I'd love to live there.
Far right American conservatives are the most insufferable people I've ever dealt with.
Their worldview is absolutely disgusting!!
Europe is a continent of completely different people. The conservatives of Poland, Denmark and Greece for example would be very very different. Your statement is simply not true at all
It honestly seemed more like this guy was asking Bernie the questions he was to get information more than to debate him. He was one of the first conservative people I've ever seen with Bernie where they never once cut Bernie off and just sat there and listened. It seems like he has respect for Bernie.
Hey guys! Bernie Sanders is coming over to my University (University of Toronto) on October 29th. He's giving a speech on Health Care. I'M SO EXCITED! I can meet him in person! I have no idea what to say to him! What would you guys say if you could meet him?
EDIT: It's pretty funny too. I come from Maryland, but after the presidential elections I applied to Canadian universities to get out of this country.
Look up videos of this debate on YT, it is amazing how many brain dead people are saying Cruz crushed Bernie here...
There is no hope for America. They are all too far gone and would rahter continue to vote against their economic interests
You're a jackass if you think cruz won.
Bradford Onate I agree.
That's because Ted Cruz did stomp Bernie. Bernie is not a nuanced person who brings up statistics.
Global Warming Skeptic Change your views on climate change and I MIGHT take you seriously.
I would like to hear the arguments of all 34 of the thumb downs. Not just blanket statements, actual counterpoints to the policy proposals.
VENEZUELA!!!!!
If I earned a living wage, could go to college and see a doctor whenever I needed, and knew I wouldn't be headed to a homeless shelter if I lost my job, I would *happily* pay a 20% tax. All day. I wish I could get even part of that for 20%.
Actually in Denmark we pay an 8% labor tax pre deductibles. Then after the deductibles we pay a 39% base tax (people making over 85000/year pay 60% of every dollar above the 85grand). Everything we buy is sales taxed by 25%. So we pay a LOT of taxes. Gas is about 6,5$. We pay about 150% taxes on automobiles (a new vw passat is about 100.000$). BUT Healthcare, doctors appointments, school, college, roads is free. Highscool students above 18 years of age and college students get about a 1000$ in monthly stipend to attend classes. If you get injured physically or mentally you can work whatever hours you can manage (decided by professionals of course) and the state pays a salary supplement to a comfortable level. Minimum wage for an adult is about 80$/hour in general. It's not a simple job to compare our two countries income and taxes and I think our disposable income is about the same. In Denmark there is just a universal social security for whatever status you have.
@@Kurkess That's fascinating. I became physically disabled in 2015, but it wasn't until 4 years later that my disability claim was approved and I began receiving benefits. In that time period, I did not qualify for food benefits because, without the official label of "disabled" by a federal judge, we have to work at least half-time. Now that I'm official, I get $803 per month in disability benefits, my Medicare premium of $140 is paid by the State, as well as medication copays (Medicaid), and I get $90 per month for food. That's it. Without any family to lean on or share expenses with, it's incredibly difficult to make ends meet, even in a state with a low cost of living. Public housing does exist, but there's a 2 year waiting list. A living wage here is at least $15/hr., or about $2,500 per month. I worked since age 16 and learned multiple trades, paying into the system the whole time, but since I became disabled young, at age 35, I'm supposed to make it work with 40% of a bare-bones living wage. I think that's pretty messed up. You wouldn't believe the hoops they make me (us, disabled folks) jump through to keep the benefits from getting cut off, which is an awful thing to do to anyone who has it hard enough as it is. People should be able to focus on their health and not have to worry about falling below a certain minimum standard. But instead it's nonsense bureaucracy, constant housing insecurity, frequent food insecurity, and so much exploitation and abuse.
All I want is a little place to live where I don't always have to worry about being kicked out and can have a little garden to grow food for myself and share with my neighbors. But instead, I live in a parking lot.
@@lisakukla459 I'm sorry to hear that Lisa. All the best to you. My wife is in a similar situation suffering from a combination from ADHD, chronic vulnerability to stress and a severe head injury from a couple of years ago. The system assessed in colaboration with her, that she could work effectively for 16 hours/week. With the state salary supplement she can now make about 4000$ before taxes. We are very grateful for that oppotunity when life hits you hard - but as stated nothing actually comes free. It's paid from the tax system. I guess it's the culture of the population that has to get behind the idea that the biggest bull pulls the most weight. We have to help the people who don't have the ressources to help themselves. Don't get me wrong though - we have our share of terrible bureaucracy.
I'm danish...we dont even pay 10 dollars to see our general practitioner.
It's free at the point of service
The point Sanders is making is that the biggest expenses a family endures over a lifetime are health care premiums (outrageous for the average workers), bankruptcy due to illness in a severely overpriced, profit driven, healthcare system ( loads of fun and stress when it happens to the average worker), childcare when your kids are young, and a $40,000 college education bill multiplied by the number of children you have. It does take tax money to eliminate these expenses just as it takes tax money to pay for a police dept / fire dept / highway system (which we do happily), but, and this is the OBVIOUS point, when those first four expenses are eliminated, all American people ( republican, democrat, libertarian, white-lives-matter, black-lives-matter, neo-nazi, etc) benefit HUGELY. THE EXPENSES ELIMINATED ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE INCREASE IN TAXES!!! And when this takes place, I'm willing to bet that the amount of hate being tossed around in this country will also decrease since the financial stress level in everybody's life will decrease. America is going through a stress reaction. We are not a hateful people. We are all just so damn frustrated and scared from how hard it is to survive in America given the financial pressure we, each of the bottom 90%, are under. Of course, if you are top 5%, you are basically immune from these pressures due to your wealth. The top 5% don't need extra. They are doing okay. This is what Sanders is saying and I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.
I'm Danish and love to follow the American fight for justice. We generally have a very great society. I just thought that I would give a little info about our effective tax rates, because they are actually quite lower than Kyle thinks:
- $32,600 (full time minimum wage): 33 %
- $46,000 (average wage): 36 %
- $80,000: 39 %
- $350,000: 54 %
These are my own calculation, but I know the system pretty well (I'm studying social science). Personally I think they are generally fair. Even though, I think low-income people should pay a bit less.
Could you give the equivalent in your native currency as I feel like the numbers are way too rounded to actually properly account for exchange rate flunctuations.
Also, VAT tax is everywhere in Europe. You literally cannot get away with it. Most Americans pay very little in sales tax while in Europe, you basically have 20% sales tax across the board even for essentials like food.
Snape Nightmare. To clarify Thomas Grøns tax-brackets. I have seen Danish tax-brackets misunderstood by people in USA before. When we earn enough money to enter a higher tax-bracket, we only pay the higher % of the income above the former bracket-not the entire income.- Also there are lots of deductables: for each child/distance to work-place etc. I´m retired now, but when working I payed into my own personal retirement-fund, and I could deduct 42% of what I payed in.-- Only 5% of Danes pay more than 35% in income-tax, 75% of Danes pay LESS than 30% in income-tax. About VAT taxes, I guess people ,who consume more, pay more.
Because part of the tax are for the “kommune” like a state but way smaller, it can wary a bit. But yes those numbers you gave a probably around the average tax rates. Where I live it’s a bit lower.
im middle class and i think that the 54% range should be lowerd to
Your taxes are sky high and much more regressive compared to the US, big surprise.
Don’t forget all the corporate loop holes if they closed them how much more revenue in tax the US government would accumulate to pay for these things...
BERNED!
Thank you Kyle, Bernie is FDR politics. So many in this country need to refresh their memory of what that means. Main Street is desperate for what Bernie brings to the table
I remember being sick in Munich, and having to go to a local clinic. The cost for the doctor's visit and the antibiotics only cost me 25 Euros. I'm American, and not on the German healthcare system, but I still got to benefit from low cost quality healthcare.
Again, Bernie WOULD'VE WON!!!
Not a chance.
I’ll vote Bernie in 2020.
Klash When the time comes every progressive/liberal and any human being with a shred of commonsense in this country should vote for him in 2020.
Klash I'll vote Ben Shapiro
The "dane" seems to not have lived in Denmark for a long time.. Theres no 10$ fee at the doctor and consumer tax (VAT) is 25% not 20%....
While I overall agree with you it's not completely true. There is a fee on
medical notes so yes you can go to the doctor for free but if you need something in writing it costs you a fee.
@@Eventyrpige In most cases the person that needs anything in writing for their company to get sick-leave with pay, is most often paid for by the company. As a normal citizen you can go to the doctor and to the hospital without having to pay anything. I just wanted to point out 2 huge flaws in that video, Theres no consultant fee of 10$ at the doctor and VAT is 25%.. It was purely to combat fake news about Denmark and the Scandinavian countries, something that has been an american trend for a while now.. First comparing Denmark to Venezuela and then stuff like this, its sad when people eat fake news raw.
Yeah I was really confused by all of the numbers he said. None of them was true. Why is he saying we pay, when we don't....
@@tetea7257 - The conservative guy must have misunderstood.
There was some political debate in Denmark shortly before this, where right wing politicians wanted a small co-pay on visits to the family doctor. - It was never implemented, however.
you are right .... when I speak to americans on my travels around the world ... and they ask about denmark ....they think im lying ... we are one of the most privileged countries in the world ;)
every American should watch this!
From discussions on the web, I get the impression that many conservatives don't get basic math. Every time, someone shows up who doesn't understand what per capita means. Per capita crime, per capita costs etc. They always go back "well that country is so much smaller duh". What Bernie said there is one important thing: "do Americans want to be a nation, or do they want to keep fighting, excluding and exploiting each other".
Black Wolf, I understand what "per capita" means and so do most who you talk to. There is more to the economy than that. Do you understand PPP? When you do that the US beats out Denmark. Out of the 13 nations with 100+ million people the US is number 1 in GDP per capita.
But again, there is more to it than that. There is value in looking at population size. With a larger population you are dealing with more diversity, more cultures, more issues and more barriers. You are even dealing with more economies. How one state runs economically is different than another. One state's culture is different than another. Pushing for a one size fits all policy is challenging. If you ever study economics you will study sociological and cultural issues that you have to account for. In some areas of the country they desire higher taxes and more government where in others they don't. In WV they desire using coal as an energy source because that is a main driver of their economy. In NV they accept gambling as an economic source. In the midwest they accept farming.
We are a nation under the Constitution on the idea that we are rights to control the government. What Bernie is doing is creating a country that wants to fight each other, mainly those who are lazy and refuse to work and produce with those that do work and produce.
Also, to add, when you say "per capita" you are making the assumption that everyone is equal as in personality, wants, needs, etc. That is simply not true.
What you're saying does not have anything to do with e.g. the mentioned healthcare issue. Of course all countries/populations are different, but that does not change the fact that the US system does not make any sense and is per capita more expensive at an insane level.
Here's basic math: In America the entire bottom 50% of earners pays only about 3% of the federal income taxes depending on year which means the top 50% pays taxes disproportionately and that disparity will become much worse with the added burden of universal healthcare which works out great for the bottom 50% that doesn't pay shit and not so well as the tax burden increases up the income spectrum. So, in a nutshell, the people with the most to gain aren't the ones paying for any of it.
@@agoogleuser3808 Many workers already pay for private insurance premiums, so the tax increases that counteract that don't have to be super progressive. And even if they are, have you seen the share of income the top 1% makes? It's over 20% right now, which is really high. Any policy against the rich is warranted until the income disparity gets back to normal levels.
What on earth did that other dude mean when he says we pay 10 dollars to go to the doctor... we dont pay anything for a doctor's visit. Just been to one lol... didnt pay a damn thing.
And on a side note - I really love Bernie. Can listen to him all day.
Here too in Canada you pay zéro dollars for consultation with doctor, so the doctor's Time Cost zéro dollars to you
lægen får penge fra staten hver gang de har en patient ,det bliver betalt over skatten så du ikke får en regning som i usa :)
US can learn A LOT from Denmark and other european countries.
Here's my situation...I work at a small company that provides healthcare coverage. It's a 60/40 cost slit between the company and myself and I pay $321 every 2 weeks or $642 every month for health insurance for a family of four (wife, 2 kids). That's $7,704 a year coming right off the top of my paycheck for I'd say pretty good coverage. If my taxes go up even $5,000 a year and I get free health care coverage for me and family I still make out with $2,704 extra in my pocket.
What I'm also saying is the arguments against universal coverage are getting more flimsy by the day. Why do we need middle-men, for-profit insurance companies involved here? Do they have a bench of primary care physicians they're providing me access too? No. Are they really doing anything of value for consumers besides creating nice little website interfaces we can view? I'd say no. Also, Republicans can talk about taxes killing business growth all they want. However many business owners will tell you it's not the taxes that's hurting them. It''s the insurance costs on a company that's the bigger issue. Why not call the GOP's bluff on this and say fine, we're implementing universal coverage and taking the insurance burden for companies completely off the table! What can they possibly say about that!
I live in Denmark and i am just shocked how expensive the US healtcare system is
I'm from Denmark. We have a high tax rate and i'm used to pay 38% of my paycheck back to the government. I dont mind cus i have a lot of benefits. Acturally i hate going to the dentist because it isn't free. I have to pay like $55 for a check up. I cant imagine if i had to pay for hospital, schools, and so on.
He talks about that later in the debate but I wished he tied it up like how you say it so people might understand it better.
lived in Germany for 12 years, it change my way of thinking because the government is taking care of people.
I remember watching that debate and my reaction then was the same as it is right now. "FUCK YEAH!!!"
I've been in the hospital 3 times in my life. I've worked 30 years. I've paid way more than I got. Plus I have to pay an extra 25% on EVERYTHING that I buy. A coke? 25% extra. An apartment? 25% extra. I've paid WAY more than what I get. Denmark still does not have free dental for some odd reason.
Just need to correct this Dane here ;) It is not only free to go to the hospital. It's also completely tax-funded to go to the doctor xD so that $10 copay for every $1 not right. I do not really know where he got that from. He is asked: "How mush do the people in Denmark pay for health care when they go to the docktor" and he reply with "$10 copay for every $1""
Mike Vogelius yeah true I am Also a dane
Depends on if you choose to be in group one or two..
Group one: using same doctor.. no pay
Group two, choose any doctor, pay small fee
( badic explanation)
This "Danish" guy is wrong. You don't pay anything when you go to the doctor. He must be thinking of some other Scandinavian country
Yes we do and that money is the taxes we pay
It depends on if your in group 1 or 2. If your in group 2 you can choose to consult any doctor you want and you have to pay a bit extra for that because of the extra paper work.
Kille thats correct. If youre in group 1 ( which most danes are) its free to use your regular doctor.
in Norway you have a limit of almost 100$ in which you have to pay for consultances, after that you won't pay any more for the rest of the calender year. You just have to fill out a form at your doctors/I guess this is all electronical now (long time since I went).
This includes public: checkups, psychology treatment, treatments, physio etc.
Does not inlcude: drugs(pharmacy drugs) or private treatment (like MR scans which are often private).
Drugs are sold at your doctors or you have to go to a pharmacy(apothecary).
I can't remember what I paid the times I've had fractures or needed Xray but it was not much or it was free
Buller Anse
We do not pay to go to a doctor,! So NO you are wrong,! And we only pay for privat Doctor’s & hospitals & kiropraktors ... & we Can search for help to pay medication so we maybe only pay Half Price & sometimes less then that!. Beacuse off taxes ! ...
Have a good day by the angry dane
Also, no lifetime caps or increased rates in single payer.
This was so good.
I think this is one of your best videos yet. Saving to faves.
Even ted cruiz says we pay less tax in UK yet we have free healthcare for all it can work n nothing terrible happens.
@MajorLeague Not even NHS, just single payer insurance. They can go to the same facilities. Almost everyone hates the private insurance system we have now.
@MajorLeague Public insurance. The facilities would still be private.
Americans rate Medicare/Medicaid coverage more favorably than private coverage, though it was honestly closer than I thought it would be.
news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx
That's a politician on CNN saying taxes would be high. No one else is that honest.
Honestly I'm thankful for the NHS in my Country
I have migraines and go to the hospital quite a lot
I wonder if I had to pay if I could get better
Damm! How can people not vote for this guy?! It so common sense and so universally appealing. No hatred for different people, or blaming others for problems. Just we can do so much better for everyone, and there are real world, in action models that proves it works.
Every American I have ever known that have had any contact with any European healthcare system have immediately become a supporter of public healthcare. And they have said that they would be ready to pay more taxes for it too. So we are clearly doing something right here.
A comment to the end of the video:
Bernie IS talking about social democracy, and NOT about democratic socialism, as you so well explain.
The Scandinavian countries are all social democratic capitalist countries, and we would'nt have it the other way around. They are NOT socialist countries and never will be.
And should anyone be afraid that it is a slippery slope towards socialism, consider this: Would we wote for a politician that'd take away all ownership from every houseowner, factoryowner etc.? Errh, no. Not in a million years. We need the capitalistic drive.
A military coup is not possible either - our military is wayyy to small for that :-P
A well known objection to Bernie's talks is that cancelling out capitalism takes away the incentive to develop, to expand, and to work hard for a chance to become a success. This is quite true.
Socialism in it's pure form has'nt worked anywhere yet, because it demands that everybody has a social conscience towards their fellow man. That country does'nt exist imo.
You need to have a government to force everybody to contribute to the common good, and through taxes collect the funds needed for the social benefits, the education and the healthcare for all.
I pay all my danish taxes willingly and proudly, because I know they'll be put to good use for us all. And I'm no saint...
Apart from Cuba and Costa Rica, Scandinavia is the closest any modern (1900+) country has gotten to successfully follow a socialist ideology; people just don't get what socialism is because the think it has something to do with the Soviet Union or communism and the fascistish ways of thinking they had. Well SU had nothing to do with Socialism except they USED the people by employing propaganda and a false belief that the people was worth something at all, then exploited them horrifically.
China is not socialist it's capitalist. North Korea is not socialist (by the way by the very nature of socialsim, you can not have a dictator, then it will cease to be that)
My point is, Scandinavia has the most democrating AND socialist countries in the world, which is both fascinating and ironic, considering the stigmas brought with both terms.
We basically just made it work by doing what you logically were supposed to do to begin with.
I don't care about taxes, everybody pays taxes. You can still get rich for sure, you just need to actually work for it here (or/and be creative) instead of just inheriting dad's company and do one degree of economics (which you buy usidng dads money). I know some certainly try to "cheat" their way like in true capitalist countries, but it never really works.
Sorry for the long rant, I should not be on youtube during one of these #moods
Beautiful!!! I Fucking love Bernie Sanders!!!
You couldn’t pay me enough to live in the USA 🇺🇸.
Oh in Denmark we have 5 weeks of paid vacation as well by law. and in many private companies, you get the 6th week as an added benefit. along with lots of other stuff.
Bernie's questions and comments to the guy from Denmark gives me the impression that he actually knows what he's talking about and not merely making stuff up (as Ted and so many right wingers routinely do) to support the argument for his agenda.
Trust me even I am a conservative here in Denmark, and I agree with this guy.
The US is marketing on the “land of opportunities”, when in fact we here in Denmark give ourself healthcare and education by taxes so that every man and woman have some what of equal set to make their goals in life...
Average tax rate here in DK are 37-38%
Im not even sure the taxes would be that higher for the middle classes and working classes, might even be the same or less. The US has a vastly bigger economy simply due to its large population and access to resources so its got a huge business base that are getting a free ride to take the profits off working class labor and the physical resources that can be taxed like any sensible country would. The US can have the best of all worlds, but the vulture grip on the country by the 1% has to be severed first
Because the US is much bigger, we would not need as high taxes per person, mathematically it should be much easier for us to have a welfare state than Denmark
taxing wallstreet and all those automated trades goldman sachs is doing sounds good to me
The welfare state is what caused us to not even be living in space right now. It promotes gynocentrism and minorities wanting whites killed.
Bernie is plain awesome.
Bernie for POTUS!
And we have democracy in Denmark where we can elect people who work for the people. That's why we have a system that takes care for the people.
actually its free to go to the doctor .... totally free ... paid over the taxes :)
@Darkyinside because the guy in the interview says Danes pay a small fee to go to the doctor.
Is it true Ana Kasparian is going to primary Dianne "fuck medicare for all" Feinstein?
Amir Fahmi Shut the fuck up.
some body I know right. Someone like Ana, shouldn't be within a light year of public office.
Call me Jesus Well considering Trump is president i think she will do fine in public office (if she wins)
My existence is a momentary lapse of reason Sorry, California is a liberal state, that Kek shit won't fly there....
some body kek = laughing dumbass, I'm saying it would be hilarious, a real lolzapalooza.
I keep seeing Scott Walker campaign ads on your videos (i live in WI) and it makes me sad
Arctic Camel if anything, he's freaking out that a lot of people from wisconsin are listening in. The politician is losing their grasp on media.
great video Kyle
Bernie has passion in his words,basic educated words of wisdom for all.
Americans really don't know how badly they are getting ripped off. I'm an american expat living in South Korea, which has universal healthcare. It's one of the main reasons I do not move back to the US.
Lu Fo again Korea is homogeneous with little to no immigration
Banned By Wonkette Again, Australia, Canada, and Germany are multicultural and have very high immigration, and universal healthcare still works very well. So there goes your point.
As an American expat like me, what if Bernie's plan got passed? As an American, we have to pay our taxes still, even if we're expats living overseas. Your taxes would go up, but you wouldn't personally benefit from it since you're not in America. You would still support Bernie's plan?
multicultural is not the same as multi-ethnic. The US is more like Brazil than any of the nations you listed. Canada is 85% white. Thats your example? Australia has no immigration for quite some time.
Try again
Matthew Abolins You’re wrong. Expats who live abroad do not have to pay federal income taxes unless they earn over $101,300 dollars a year. Its called the foreign earned income exclusion. Look it up: IRS form 2555-EZ. The reason why is because expats have to pay income taxes on their earnings to the resident country where they live and work. Also paying income tax to the US government is literally getting double taxed. I dont make more than 100K a year, but if I did, yes, i would happily pay my fair share. Part of the reason is because i would in fact get the benefits of a universal healthcare system whenever i visit the US or if I ever moved back.