So proud to be Dane that my country is getting "rubbed" by corporate companies. Aye its grand to live in Danmark where freedom of speech is an illusion made up by the corporate media.
It’s almost as like if people aren’t left with the choice between selling their house or dying because they can’t afford care, they’re gonna be a hell of a lot happier than we are.
@@Katt1n Insurance by its very nature doesn't want to pay out. If they can find any wriggle room in the policy (which they can easily; they write the policy) they will use it. Sure you can use government legislation to mandate certain things always be covered. OR, alternatively, found an NHS like my country did and have free healthcare for life provided you all pay National Insurance.
I feel like republicans will say something like "well it's easy to have a social safety net when we protect Denmark". If they do that then just say Finland. We are not in NATO (hopefully never be) and we still have stong safety net like Denmark. And in WW2 when we needed help, USA didn't do shit (only volunteers came from USA, I am grateful to them). So instead we had to ask Adolf some help. So no wonder finnish people don't want to join NATO.
@The Wolverine I have nothing against the troops. My gripe is with the military industrial complex which treats troops like yourself as cannon fodder in their wars for oil and the every growing pillaging of the American public in the form of the military budget. $715 billion dollars a year to fund the military and putting solders in harms way in the middle east for the sake of oil is sick. If we had spent the same money we wasted on the oil wars we would have 100% renewable energy and zero troops would have been killed or injured in the process. A reasonable government would realize that a socal safety net and domestic renewable energy is how you protect your citizens not risking the lives of troops to provide access to oil in the middle east. Some of my best friends came home permanently disabled from those oil wars. It make me sick when I think about what our politicians risked their lives for.
@┗(-_- )┓TURNT Actually it's the present, the US has failed to update it's sytem for decades. And if it updated today, let alone the post-trump era, it would have less than a decde to move to another system as AI enters the phase of rapid replacement of jobs.
@@vilecrocodile9171 you're a moron... it's going through what it's going through now BECAUSE a right wing fuckwad *is* leading the country!! So your reply isn't even a half smart one! right wingers and conservatives should be put down for the greater good of the species.... consider yourself lucky....
@@funkymonkeyjedi9078 Is Neoliberal considered right wing now? Because that's what Kulinski described him as last year ua-cam.com/video/olcZVyvNDns/v-deo.html
Bernie is a hero. He made me wake up from my disillusionment about the future of the world and made me realize that no matter how big the machine is, if you are authentic, consistent and true to yourself, you can inspire people and create real change. He inspired me to make this UA-cam channel to rally progressives worldwide in favor of Bernie 2020. The world needs you 🌎. Bernie 2020 all the way!
Project 2020 Bernie and his wife are under investigation for fraud. I think you might still be asleep. start.att.net/news/read/category/news/article/newser-bernie_jane_sanders_being_investigated_for_bank_fr-rnewsernor?lang=es-us
We should also end the war on drugs, cease tax loopholes for businesses and the wealthy, cease corporate welfare, cut the military budget, and cease our interventionist military policy.
Right wingers think we want to become a new USSR and don’t listen to us when we say we’ll allow private companies. With worker coops to compete with private businesses of course.
The Awoken and Broken Matt Hardy if you end the wars in the middle east the entire US economy will crash. The petro dollar is what keeps the US market afloat. A lot of investments are out there. Ceasing the military budget and wars would mean catastrophe for the US.
@@LK56835 Yes, we will. Universal Healthcare is inevitable in America. And once a REAL progressive takes Office, we will tax the rich more to help pay for it. Sorry, not sorry.
@@LK56835 And I like how you changed it from "Not using my money" to "not using the 1%" lol..it's almost like you realized that no matter how you feel about it, once UHC is passed, YOU WILL be helping to pay for it with taxes. Poor baby cares more about being greedy than helping those who need it..can't wait for reality to slap you in the face.
Just let me clarify our tax system in a very simple way. We don't pay any tax for the first 46.500kr (6719$) a year. Then we pay around 40% (depending on municipality) of the amount between 513400kr (74182$) and 55% of the amount over 513400kr (74182$). An example. I you earn 138kr/hour (20$/hour) 52 weeks - 6 weeks of payed vacation = 46 weeks of work = 1702 hours = 234876kr/year = 75350kr (10.886$) in tax and therefor you get 159525kr/year after tax = 13294kr/month. 1920$/month to yourself each month.
you mean strawman Venezeula? You wanna eat rats, and have dirt cheap Oil? Live in slums and go through hyperinflation? Hehehe, Im retarded in this comment on purpose.
Why will they want to endure so much pain and headache, during the process of fixing your corrupt government ? Maybe Americans should get off their asses and fix their own goddamn government.
You do know that the reason why Denmark works is because we also are very national. The Peoples Party got around 25% of the votes in the last election, and they are very anti immigration, only one parti is really for totally open borders and they are falling year for year.
I'm from Sweden. First of all, many American people (especially those on the right) conflates social democracy and socialism. As you correctly point out, social democracy leads pretty well to a meritocratic system, while socialism certainly does not. I'm not a social democrat (I'm a centrist (by Swedish standards)). Being a centrist in Sweden means a little more market liberal, small business friendly and decentralization and privatization friendly than being a social democrat. We also stand fast on socioliberal values such as feminism, humanism, the individual's rights to choose for themselves as much as possible. However, I think social democracy is a decent system. It has served Sweden very well throughout the 20th century. My main problem with it though is that it has a tendency to stifle growth (both economically and educationally) for the individual. In its efforts to create that baseline of social and economic security, people with a lot of ambition, potential and ability are often left out and often held back and penalized. Perhaps that's an inherent flaw in the system, perhaps it's Sweden's implementation of the ideology, perhaps it's because of the (in my opinion, unfortunate) influence the now reformed communist party have had and still has on the social democratic party. Perhaps it's a combination of the three. What is clear as day though, is that you guys are in desparate need of moving towards some kind of social democracy. Such as the situation appears to be in USA with politicians being bought off, Christianity creeping its way into schoolbooks and lack of basic healthcare is really unsustainable.
I do agree on some things mate...The Agenda is far worse than that.. Sorry mate, as your Danish neighbour i have to disagree, In Sweden you're struggling with the same major issue as here in Danmark, however you're much further down the drain than our current state of affair. You have a bought media with a agenda of killing free-speech and all right views on the world. Your state is stealing more and more wealth through your country for the sake of control and please the corporate companies. Your economic and all right society is falling a part by the main factor of hiding behind hate focused around colour and "unfortunate" casualty of war or immigrants issues based around it. It just breeds more hate upon hate. Your school system is falling a part and you are more inhumane towards your young people's own search of identity that you see them as mire numbers and machines for profit further into the future. you're trying to neutralize your wording through your country, basically kill of free-speech. What you're saying is such a major illusion and this goes the same way for Danmark as well as other countries around the world. The corporate state and all out "Global Empire" is causing so much havoc and chaos.
If your Swedish then you need to be worried about Far Left Marxist Feminism Creeping into your textbooks saying bullshit things about Gender biology rather than Christianity creeping into US science (which doesn't happen, US leads world in science). You guys just replaced Christianity with something far worse, SJW ideology. No thanks
Wow what empty headed responses. Right wingism really is a toxin. @Johan Nilsson. Agree on most part of what you said except for social democracy stifling growth.. Also V is the only real left wing party left and surely needed. www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/south-korea-and-sweden-are-the-most-innovative-countries-in-the-world/
I think you are being too quick in dismissing socialism as leading to meritocracy, or to use a better term (as meritocracy is a satirical term implying that people believe they cucceeded because of their merit and that those who failed did so because they lacked merit) succeed based on their labor, talent and skills. The core idea of most traditional socialist ideologies was not equality of outcome (hell, even Karl Marx thought that was not only silly, but impossible and something which shouldn't be tried) is that people are rewarded based on the value of their work. The idea that socialists, or even communists, want equality of outcome, is generally a strawman. What socialists protest against is the idea that people earn money and power based on the labor of others, i.e. not their own merit. This is the basis of capitalism. An owner buys (leases) people and therefor has the property rights to their work. This right comes merely from having money - though many may actually have produced part of this value through their own labour (i.e. running your own company, driving innovation, etc. capitalism always includes a large amount of exploitation - this is because the capitalist owns the labor value regardless of how hard the workers work and how much value they produce). There are many alternative systems that are in the socialist category, ranging from worker ownership (including full free market ideologies like Mutualism) to variations of collective and social ownership - and they all have very different economic foundations and goals - however, the core idea is that people have a higher level of agency and ownership over the work people do - or perhaps a higher level of democratic ownership of society as a whole. This does not mean that the individual that works hard is not rewarded by their merit, but it does mean that the exploitation is removed, and it is harder to amass large amount of wealth if you can't do it on the back of others. Some may still do so, however, for instance a programmer may design a word-changing system and thus create an incredible amount of value on their own. (And note, of course innovating and creating valuable work for others is also incredibly valuable). It is also worth noting that we may both be stuck in a sphere where we primarily think of economic rewards for merit. This is not the only way to be incentivized or rewarded. As you likely know there is also social capital, and most spend a tremendous amount of time trying to build it. If you look at the more extreme communists, for instance Kropotkin (who was well to the left of Marx), his argument was that all humans should receive the exact same access to goods regardless of labor (and thus being one of the extreme few closely fitting the general strawman) did not believe that merit should not be rewarded. His theories were based around evolution and humanity as a social species, and believed that with financial capital disappearing social capital would simply take its place. While I certainly don't agree with Kropotkin's overall view, at least not until humanity reaches a post-scarcity economy, he makes valid points which should be taken into account.
Cant believe the country with the biggest economy in the world, still argues whether or not to take care of its own citizens. Healthcare and education shouldn't have to be an issue to provide it's own god damn citizens. I hope some day you guys will experience it✌
its not an actual argument between two legitimate sides man. its a fake debate spurred on by the private health insurance and pharmaceutical companies who have entirely too much power and can donate to politicians. its like the climate change non argument because of the oil and gas companies being able to donate to politicians. Lobbyists of big corporations, whether they are weapons manufacturers(from guns to actual military grade tech used for the military), energy companies and health dominate America. So when you ask why america is so messed up in these ways, there is your reason
@@MrInuhanyou123 So vote them out! We've had sovereign kings with dictatorial powers and state political police in Scandinavia too. But work hard for the right of your people and in 2-300 years you can get there too. We did! Wasn't Free. Wasn't easy. The Danish 'American Dream' was to build a fair SOCIETY. So we WORK HARD... TOGETHER... EVERYBODY. We build a nation of progressively more and more democratically minded PEOPLE. And the laws will follow. And the laws will work! I do not believe that ANY set of democratic laws can change a nation of ardent individualist overnight. Not when 'having to feel superior to feel safe' is added to the drinking water of the nation. I don't want to sound like Danish kill-Joy. Americans say 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'. I believe that is right. The whole family work together to fertilise, plow and tend the field for generations. And it will feed your family. Danes/Scandinavians have found out that the same goes for solid, democratically minded nationstates. Go figure. And if you want the benefits, start working on creating the harmonious balanced society that will give them to you. And by the way, who says that a lunch that you had to work for, couldn't be worth it? To Scandinavians it was and it is.
"Without having the ability to be obscenely wealthy and have so much wealth that by its very nature it corrupts the democratic process" As a Dane, I can just say that this is an issue in Denmark aswell, we have billionaries and cronies here, Maersk being a perfect example. Whenever policies are proposed that Maersk doesn't like, they'll just threaten to move their business out of the country, which would cause a massive crisis. We depend heavily on a few mega coorporations, and we are equally influenced by international imperialists like Goldman Sachs snatching our energy production through shady means. Still no one seems to know what happened in parliament that caused the sale, but only the socialist party tried to postpone it to give time for the people to become aware of the sale that was happening. Something is indeed rotten in Denmark, and while our welfare state is the obvious choice if you want a captialist economy, we still stuffer heavily from neoliberal policies and imperialists. Our welfare state was much better than it is today.
It's America's fault for giving them a low tax place to take business to. Also the fault of all the world's tax haven't. There needs to be a global pact on taxing the rich.
Yes, yes and yes. This is the real issue here. Globalization is a step forward when it comes to stuff like making various CO2 aggrements, fighting ISIS, welcoming refugees that have a death sentence on their back, fair trade agreements etc. but really is a giant headache when it comes to giving shelter to multi-country cooperations. That's why I'm so interested in American politics because if they make the change, other countries will follow. Countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway don't get a lot of air time globally.
Most of Danes don`t like Bernie, including our prime minister. www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/
@@Tommysimonsen Socialdemocraticism is socialistic mate :p it's just that people get hung up on the word socialist since it's been used interchangeably with communist and those two terms are not synonymous.
Denmark is not a social democracy, it`s just a democracy, there is one party out of 12 here named Social demokrats, but they are not part of the government.
@@Tommysimonsen : "Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy.". Denmark is a social democracy. Just accept it... or continue to either outright lie or be in complete denial with your head wedged firmly up your own arse. I really don't care. But the fact remains that anyone with more than two brain cells knows that you're utterly full of shit with bogus claims like that.
@@Tommysimonsen yeah I know :) there is a political and societal model that is called social democracy and then there is the social democrats, as in the party. The model Denmark has as a base is a social democracy (although one with less state owned companies than say sweden for instance). It can be tricky when political parties get mixed up with the overarching political system.
As a European I can confirm Denmark is a pretty cool place. One of few European countries that has its wits intact and has been refusing "refugee" quotas since 2015.
By their logic the Scandinavian Welfare System would lead to terrible productivity as they would make the argument that there is less incentive in Scandinavian Countries to work? And yet Norways Productivity is higher than the US. Sweden and Finland's are in the top 15. So that myth that free stuff makes people lazy in Denmark or Norway is a lie. People work there cause they want to, not because they are forced to.
I'm a social democrat for this reason. Pure socialism has rarely worked out because you need to make compromises, you just do. Pure capitalism is the same. You need to figure out the right mix and not be blinded by ideology. I mean, I'd still vote for a democratic socialist if I was American because the Overton window is so far to the right. What you really need is a better voting system. That's the problem. Two party politics is never a good idea and first past the post encourages two-party politics.
You certainly always need to compromise, but the compromise does not neccesarily need to be between socialism and capitalism. It is worth remembering how young capitalism actually is, and how even massive countries like Russia were broadly feudalist into last century. 200 years ago you could easily have made the argument that you had to compromise between the power of the aristocracy and the power of the capitalists (and many did) - and remember back then democracy where usually just for aristocrats and capitalists/landowners. Today this idea seems absurd, but the oppressive power-structure of feudal lords has to an extent continued in the form of the capitalists - who also extract wealth through their property rights, as oppposed to their own labor. As someone who is on the broader libertarian left spectrum I don't see a large philosophical distinction between leasing yourself out (wage labor/salaried labor) and selling yourself (serf) - though of curse morally and practically the former is far, far better I would still strongly object to a system based around the idea that people own the labor of others and gain immense power from this - often so much power that democracy is helpless against them. What I would personally like is a mixed socialist system, quite close to a social democracy, but with co-ops, associations and individual enterprises taking the place of capitalist enterprises, but still competing in a market economy (often with public companies participating as well, just as today). I don't mind ownership based on the value you create however, and would not be against entrepreneurs owning a larger stake of the companies they start - such compromises would be very interesting to see in practice. (I would also want to decentralize the public sector and have public services to a broader extent under the control of the consumers, and public companies under increased control of the workers).
@@Kraisedion I suppose it depends on what you classify as socialism. Most people think of state-led socialism (that is, of course, a very limited view) and that's what I mean when I say 'pure socialism'. But your kind of market view is closer to social democracy than it is anything else, because it a mixture between public ownership and smaller 'units' of society. It seems to me that this is the closed we're ever going to get to a meritocracy. As for compromise, you need to look at the realities of what you can achieve. Unless there is some compromise between the aristocracy and capitalists, then nothing will ever change, unless there's a workers' revolution and such rapid changes rarely work. Of course, there is power in the very idea of a 'revolution' that can scare them into reform. It's in their own self-interest to compromise with each other. Compromises are better for everyone, even in this situation, because a person could take the side of the aristocrat or the capitalist and benefit by association. There is a limited choice. The system is still inherently wrong, but there is no unilateral concentration of power in the hands of one group or one person.
@@kierandouble6414 Oh, I agree completely. Maybe I did not formulate myself that well. My point was not that compromising with capitalism was or is the wrong choice - social democracy is clearly the most equitable, fair, free and stable system we have seen on a broad scale. My point was that just because a power dynamic is currently there and hardwired into the fabric of society - it doesn't neccesarily have to be - and that we can still work to progress away from them and finding new compromises as power dynamics shift. Even in the countries that escaped the liberal revolutions, the aristocracy slowly lost power and the old modes of production faded away and were replaced. To make it clear I think revolutions are a terrible idea, and it is hard to find revolutions that ended well, they tend to usher in tyranny. Even the French revolution ended with Napoleon and then a return to Monarchy and new revolutions. What I do think can happen however is that we can see capitalists slowly lose power. This can partially be done through democracy, such as the codetermination laws which social democracies already have, ideas of a share of the ownership as well (as proposed by UK Labour) and the government simply promoting alernative modes of production, such as co-ops or even their own public companies. But governments can do very, very little on their own of course. But as power dynamics shift, more wotkers join co-ops, etc. the dynamics shift. Hell, in Norway the majority of wealth is collectively owned and 38% work in the public sector, here it is actually possible to slowly offer clear competition to capitalism and gradually and potentially even largely organically, phase out capitalism.
If we cut the military spending by 75% and the brought the taxes back to where they were in the Clinton era (or even the Carter era), and then invested that money in the people and infrastructure then we would have the best standard of living in the world.
In Denmark we do have a progressive tax system. We have a “free card” meaning that the first 44.000 kr. Is tax free for everyone. Then you pay 39,7 pct in tax of the next 467.300 kr. You earn. Then everything earned after that will be taxed at the rate of “top Skat/top tax” as it is called, the top tax rate is 55,8 pct. so basically the biggest earners will be the biggest contributors.
Free tertiary education was our reality in Australia, up to the late eighties or early ninties. We also received "Aus Study" grants from Canberra to assist with costs of living and studying full-time or part-time: rent, food, utilities, text books etc.. Federal-funded Medicare is our universal health care system, and our conservative government at present wishes to erode the health care system by introducing private enterprise elements within its framework, and just like the universities, focus on profit will be the main driver: result, erosion of quality of service. Australia has seen no improvement in service or cost savings for us the citizens, when government utilities and services were privatised: electricity, gas, education, telecommunications, airports, ports, etc etc etc Corporations from all over the globe have pillaged and robbed us of our national wealth(minerals, public utilities and assets) for two centuries, and the miners are our "King makers".
If Sanders runs for President again that whole video needs to be covered extensively on the plethora of news channels, websites, social media etc. If every American saw that video in full I feel confident in saying we would have a President-elect Sanders in 2020. It has a ring to it, eh?
Coming from Denmark I can only say that most danes (like 90% of the population) are happy with the welfare system we have built up over the last 60-70 years and would consider our system as the best in the world thus understand that the price - the high taxes - are reasonable and ok to pay in the end for it. When you think of it it is really just a way of buying for welfare stuff everybody needs at one point in time in there life anyway so why not make it a joined payment system for all via the taxes that covers all generations as we are stronger together than apart? I mean it really isn't about ideology as it is about pragmatism. Paying up front yourself or via taxes is really just a funding thing cause you have to pay for it anyway eventually. From you are borned untill you die we all go through needs which makes sense for the State of Denmark representating all danes to organize and employ to all. We all need a hospital to be born in, daycare, pre school, high school, university (or other schooling after high school), unployment payments, re-educations to other industries, Treatments, doctor, retirement and nursery home. Then it makes sense that the same State take care of other services provided for all like the police, jail system when people break the law, infrastructure, public transportation we all use etc. So basically it makes sense that the State of Denmark take care of the thinks that involved everyone anyway and then it makes sense that the rest is up to the individual so as no body tell people how to live their lives ie. Its really about thinking smart and not so much about ideology imo however I would agree that looking from the outside the "Nordic Welfare" system as its called is in reality a mixture of socialism and capitalism. If you want to get rich, you can do that here too, but if you are not so materialistic interested but more interested in other things you can do that too. Most important is not to loose people on the ground that needs help. Bernie is brilliant to watch and has been the best that has happended to the US in many years and from a dane it only makes me happy and optimistic that more and more americans have started to listened to him. He should inspire politicians all over the world and also here in Denmark how to get people passionate about their country and ideas so it'll be interesting to see what happends to the "socialist" movement in the US the coming years as I understand primarily the youth are up fr new ideas and way of doing things in the US, right :-)
It's an objective empirical fact that the Scandinavian countries have a healthier and less anxious population, with higher social mobility, lower levels of crime, and higher levels of life satisfaction. I can tell, as a swede, that basically no one questions the welfare system. We debate if it should include dental care or not, how regulated the private companies working inside the welfare system should be, what the exact levels of VAT should be, etc. But basically no one questions the foundations; free healthcare, free education and a solid social security net. It's so obvious it works to everyone's advantage. Many americans seem to be quite uneducated when it comes to the reality of the human condition. They believe everyone is either a self-made loser or a self-made winner. It couldn't be further from the truth. We're all products of our environment and genetic predispostions, affected by chance and forces beyond our control (economical, social, cultural etc). So let's work together to optimize the environment and try to get everyone to flourish in their own way. Sure, the hyper-competetive nature of american culture might produce some mindblowingly influential billionaire executives, but it does so at a very high cost. The american society is a distrustful, deeply divided, stressed out and scared one.
Single payer healthcare is the best system for healthcare overall. Private healthcare should still be an option, only if you can afford it. But since they have to compete with the government, they have no choice but to lower the cost, which is why US lawmakers don't want it.
We have both private schools and hospitals in Denmark too. It's a bit of a mess tbh, but even when a government see them as competition, they don't disappear.
all credd & repect to bernie! we love you here in sweden as well! and i'm truly blessed for living in this great country, we still can do a little bit better! but the world has alot to learn from our nordic countries!
One other thing I would argue is more meritocratic in the Nordic countries, is that you can get admitted to university by merit alone. There is no way to buy yourself in if you aren't smart enough. I am not 100% sure if it is like that in other countries but at least here in Finland.
I scored 34 on the ACT (that's 99th percentile) and I still can't get out of a community college because of California's stupid transfer rules. If America weren't so dumbed down I could get into a real college with a full scholarship on that score alone. The community service and extracurriculars requirement is anti-poor.
I moved to Norway two years ago and it was like a black cloud over my head just suddenly vanished. Norway has it's problem... but compared to the far-right hellhole I was in, it is a thing of great beauty.
@Иван Сергей Yeah, I hate the weather in Norway. However I think most people have the wrong idea. It is not remotely as cold as most people think. My primary problem with living in Norway is the darkness in winter, not so much the cold. But it is always trade-offs. I've considered living many other places outside of Norway, but it is hard to find a perfect place. There are always downsides. I like in Norway 1) relatively high wages, 2) relaxed and egalitarian work culture, 3) honesty, 4) low crime 5) good public services 6) commitment to the well being of children. 7) Nature. If I did not live in Norway I'd probably live in the Netherlands, or perhaps Austria or Switzerland. I dunno. If the US could get its shit together I'd love to live there. But the way things are now, I could not imagine living there permanent. It is too harsh of a society IMHO. I lived there for a bit over a year, and I loved the opportunities, climate, people etc. But often it felt a bit like living in a police state. Too many rules, and often far to draconian. Too focused on materialistic things at the expense of human needs. If Bernie Sanders could have been in charge for 8 years, things may have ended up much nicer.
Bernie brings with him an aura of sincerity and kindness that I've only seen AOC exude. The two of them really are a cut above the rest in a way that's inspiring and makes you feel hope again.
The United States should break up into 50 countries. Denmarks population of 5.7 million is less then many US states. People have a greater sense of unity in smaller countries.
I think Canada and the US should both break up into smaller countries. The Southern States can finally live their dream of secession (as can Texas and Quebec), northeastern US and the Canadian maritimes can join together, the midwest could become the breadbasket of the whole continent, the Pacific Northwest can become a bastion for Liberals, and we can give So Cal, Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada back to Mexico.
@@malikanthony1149 , true, but the Constitution allows states to be independent within the framework of the constitution. The federal government deals with foreign affairs and commerce across state lines.
I think Bernie should also have a chat with Conservative politicians from Denmark and see what their views are and what policies they are currently pushing for.
@@petterbirgersson4489 I can't say if i agree or disagree with the proposal BUT, one thing is for certain: They don't want to put all refugees there. Only ones who are criminals, ones who have already been to court and the decision has been made, that they aren't welcome in Denmark. That they should be sent back. We're talking 100 people maybe
Kyle, the reason we in Scandinavian pay higher taxes and everything isn't shifted on the rich is because we're a much more egalitarian society. Search for wealth distribution Sweden and compare it with the US..
that's all well and good, but i think kyle is coming from the perspective of the rich being the ones on top in America for so long, they should be the ones to bear the biggest burden in supporting the lower classes now who have been paying for that lopsided bias against them for the past few decades.
@@Faddnn he didnt say he didnt agree with your system specifically, just that he didnt agree that we as America could not pay for the things we want by taxing the rich through more progressive taxation and re appropriating the trillions of dollars we spend on nonsense towards those things as opposed to making the lower classes pay into it when they have already been suffering
I think people should have more than the absolute bare minimum though. I'd argue that this is what we have here already. When people get the absolute bare minimum it is just enough to barely keep them alive and stuck in the same place of low quality and hindered potential and with many other problems. If we establish a base that meets criteria that is generous enough to maintain a certain level of quality to keep people healthy and able to not be in a state of austerity, deprivation, dirty dilapidated toxic environment etc.. then not only will they have more options available to reach a higher potential despite bad choices or mistakes but there would be much less problems that come from despair because they will not be able to go rock bottom, at least not w/o really trying hard (and people who try really hard to go rock bottom probably have some problem that needs to be humanely addressed). I do not like to think about things in terms of "making it" etc.. I like to see people healthy with lots of options available and a guarantied humane life quality and room to live and learn w/o being put to the streets or into an impossible inescapable cycle of poverty. Okay not everyone will be famous or rich but this way no one will have to unnecessarily suffer horrible consequences that come from low income,poverty,homelessness.. also even if everyone started from the exact place we should still have safety net because we are human beings and likely to fuck up and make mistakes plus accidents and problems outside of our control. I'd never say to someone struggling "too bad for you , should made better decisions" Like if we knew our decisions would lead us somewhere bad before hand of course we would never make them ...also humans are emotional beings who are not always in their right mind so I would like to see a higher more humane standard that takes all of this into account and is oriented in a more egalitarian and altruistic way rather than looking at life like it is just a competitive sport.
Why does Bernie call himself a democratic socialist when his policies are those of a Social Democrat? I'm a Social Democrat and support the walefare state and Bernie Sanders. Why try to change the meaning of words?
CitrusPeppercorn Kyle has mentioned that many times. Unfortunately the views of a social democrat are too far gone at this point to democratic socialist it’s almost changed the meaning. Big issue though.
Because they're interchangeable. In textbook definitions, they aren't. You're right. But the world isn't run on textbook definitions. Minute differences between phonetically similar ideologies only matter to the philosophers that study them. In reality we respond as much to how something sounds as to what it officially means. In Bernie's generation, the term was democratic socialist. In today's lexicon we distinguish between socdems and demsocs. It makes little difference in the end.
There is also the issue of Social Democrat being extremely similar to just Democrat party. Which leads to a different type of confusion. I think it is a matter of an American perspective that Social Democrat is the term more likely to cause confusion with an established party.
@@zotaninoron3548 Only the very left of the left wing of the Democratic Party would be considered Social Democrats in the Scandinavian sense of the word though. Heck, I wouldn't even say most of the progressive cacus are social democrats. Socialism is when the means of production are in control of the state. Having a robust welfare state including, but not limited to university basic income, tuition free college, and single payer can all be in place in a capitalist system.
I love Denmark and spent a lot of time there this year. Folks I talk to about out healthcare and student loan scam here in the US were horrified. My goal is to move my family there in the next 2 years
MLG Bernie Sanders But why complicate things? It’s alright but it’s kind of taking the political identity of others. George Orwell was a true Democratic Socialist. It’s a post-Capitalist ideology so it is a bit annoying that Social Democrats are calling themselves socialists. Regardless I’m for anyone that helps the working class and that’s more important.
You should watch it. at this point, it doesnt even matter the distinction between those two terms. mass amounts of social democratic young people are flooding the dem socialists of america organization. whether you want a post capitalist blatantly anti private economic system or a capitalist hybrid economic system with good regulations on private entities to stop them from from hijacking the process(which is most people's preference) is pretty irrelevant when everyone regardless of their smaller differences agrees on wanting to change the country in general from what we are now, which isnt even a democracy but a militarized oligarchic private dystopia
MrInuhanyou123 That’s well understood. But my criticism is how good is a Welfare State when Capitalism is still creating disparities and creating elitist classes. Welfare it self was a conservative tool to keep workers away from Socialist movements, Otto von Bismarck is credited with finding the first modern Welfare State and he did it to protect capitalists interests not to care for the workers. In general I agree however that Social Democracy is far better a system then the plutocracy we live in undermining democracy.
@@blackflagsnroses6013 I get what your saying...your for overthrowing the concept of capitalism because it by default creates social class divisions...but no system is perfect IMO. I believe even in an economic system where one intended to erase those divisions, they would still exist in some other way just by the very nature of how humans are. America in general is well versed in "the american dream"....its just baked into most of our mindsets so capitalism as a tenet cant ever really realistically go away in the minds of a majority of people. The issue is that the "capitalism" that we have now isnt even what most people who believe in the economic structure would consider capitalism. That's what is driving most young people actively away from it. Make the system way more fair, and you see far less of people on the fringes advocating for complete ban on it. I feel like America is a center left country at heart in global terms, but we've been far to the right for a long time now because of the corruption in our system. Getting rid of that to me alone is the biggest part of winning the war. I don't care about anything beyond it
The biggest strength of the left is the sense of international solidarity that we have. I have no direct relation to the US or Denmark but this convergence of leadership still makes me so happy.
@GG , smaller population means you can micromanage these programs easier and less diversity. Larger diversity means a more complex system. Ignoring population size is literally saying that everyone is the same and that people are not different which goes against what the political left praises about diversity any other time.
@GG look at it like this some people own a car from 1999 no payments and some lease a 2018 with payments America OS a well oiled machine with debt and a lot of people in it Denmark isnt America true but I'd rather have a smaller house that I own than a huge house I'm paying off on a 30 year fixed rate...its all optics America is a great country but so are others as well get a passport and visit..
Well i love my country, we have problems (like a lot of people wjo have never been near Denmark will be quick to point out) And as a dane i would love to pay even more taxes, so we can continue to build our society. Also held og lykke Bernie Sanders, hope you win this time if you choose to run.
Proud to be European. Im a Belgian leftist/centrist. Our Country is slowly deviding in extremes, We must NOT let this happen! Say NO to communism! Say NO to facism!
And Denmark also has strict immigration laws and no birthright citizenship. Left wingers tell us we should be more like Europe when it’s politically convenient.
We're talking about the economic sustainability of Denmark due to its strong citizens. We disagree on immigration only because in America we simply have more influx of immigrants that contribute to our economy. So yeah, it is politically convenient, but it's also economically convenient in America to have different immigration laws when you look at immigration rates and their impacts on differing economies. But also this might be due to wanting to protect their welfare state which is also reasonable. Here in America however, it's a finer line because immigrants contribute a lot to our society and have been a part of us and seemingly will be apart of the type of country we are. Hopefully, we will foresee ourselves as the diverse people we are so we can move on and create a happy society, though in a different way from Denmark.
I live in Belgium and we have many of the things Denmark has and there are many immigrants and a lot of diversity here. So the 'minorities ruin everything' argument is invalid
I agree with this sentiment. If you want a welfare state, you need to keep poor immigration low. You can't have it both ways. I'm on the left but not for massive immigration.
Let's not forget that Nordic countries are small and homogenous. The United States is large and diverse. It is significantly more difficult to apply their system to our country on a national level. A state level maybe. Vermont, New Hampshire, Alaska and Hawaii can easily implement a similar system, but Texas, California, Florida and New York will have more challenges. I think the decentralization of the government and more state autonomy would better the lives of its residents. Democratically elected governors will be have more power over their state and would better implement social liberal or libertarian or even socialist reforms.
Got any numbers to back up their system's lack of ability to adapt to scale? I see this pointed out a lot, with no context, no justification for their reasoning. Why can't it work with scale?
While it would take longer to implement and plan, and would worker better starting from the state, us being larger shouldn't affect too much - more people also means more money to fund it, really. So money shouldn't be a problem.
@@sergiowolfpac , saying "adapt to scale" is saying that everyone is the same. What I find to be ironic with leftists is how you preach diversity and how people are different, but when it comes to economic issues supposedly everyone is the same. When the founding fathers developed this nation they ran into that exact same problem which is why they created state rights.
@@whyamimrpink78 I never said it would adapt to scale. I'm asking for clarification and reasoning for why it wouldn't adapt to scale. I understand your inherit fear of large government, but thats not what I'm arguing now. It's whether that system of healthcare would scale or not. Not whether we should do it or not.
Sorry Bernie, but praising the Danish social democrats deserves some criticism. The Social Democrats (SD) in Denmark has turned massively to the right, by even adopting anti-migrant rhetoric. In 2014, it was the Social-Democrats who sold off state shares in the public energy company DONG Energy to the investment bank Goldman Sachs (YES, that Goldman Sachs). Also they cut taxes on the rich, because they had this right-wing ideas that lower taxes would increase the competition. Social democracy used to make Denmark more equal, however inequality and a rise in the far-right in Denmark is the direct result of the SD abandoning those core leftist ideas in the 90's. Denmark is still doing good, but only because the right-wing and the SD haven not fully dismantled the welfare state. However under EU orders, the social democrats are making the country more unequal and their pro-capitalist politics have alienated many workers into voting for the far-right Danish People's Party. www.socialistworld.net/index.php/international/europe/denmark/6122-Denmark--40,000-lose-unemployment-benefits
Kyle, I was talking to Jordan Chariton of " Status Coup"...you should do that interview with him that he had asked you about, I and many of your subscribers would like to watch the interview, you can start setting things up for 2020
Not Scandinavia, but I have family in the Netherlands. I saw ZERO trailer parks and ONE homeless person. I visited for a month. I wasn't living in the tourist traps I was living in a small village with my Aunt and Uncle.
If some politician in Denmark proposed to cut their social medicare, college or job security, he would be considered the craziest far right maniac of the country. Meanwhile in the US... idk complete the sentence yourself.
In Canada you can also go to whatever doctor you want or whatever hospital you want and there is no fee for treatment, tests any medical procedures but it does not cover dental. There is no deductible or co-payments or anything to pay. You can see your doctor or go to emergency as often as you need. I have changed my doctor a number of times and even moved to different provinces and it's not a problem, everything is still covered. I have heard for some procedures, you might have to wait for non-serious things but I have never had any problems with waiting, so it has not been an issue for me. I'm very happy with my free, socialized healthcare! It works for me! (and trust me, I use it)
The reason we pay so much tax here in Scandinavia is because we pay for "everything" through taxes. Not only health and education, but also churches, culture, science and sports. And much more.
-No government minimum wages -Low Corporate Tax Rate -Low tariffs, not protectionist -Large amount of foreign investment -Encourages global trade -Market Economy Seems like a pretty good deal to me!
Hes actually a former minister and if the opposition wins he will probably be minsiter again. For you americans, it is like sitting in the cabinet as a Secretary (like HUD) or Secretary of State.
Though i agree that Finland is about the same as the Scandinavian countries, it is not a Scandinavian country. For some reason Americans seem to call it part of Scandinavia due to their political and social systems being about the same as us. But Finland is a Nordic country, and is seemingly doing awesome, though not Scandinavian... Might be nitpicky, but it still is a bit annoying.
As for Denmark, I think back to a Freakonomics podcast done on it awhile ago. It was about why some Americans who moved to Denmark for awhile thought the High Happiness Rate was real and such. Super interesting.
Really wish my mother had moved to Denmark instead of the US when we were little. It was closer to Poland too.
Me too
Well if you can work you are still welcome :)
Not so fast commies, have a look at their suicide rates.
Vile Crocodile Denmark ranks 89th in terms of suicide rates.
@@a_can_of_soda
I saw Denmark ranked 41st for 2018
Sitting here as a Dane in Copenhagen, Denmark and feeling all fuzzy and proud inside 🤗
Please elect Bernie as your next president.
I volunteered for his campaign last time, believe me we will try!
I also volunteered. If he makes it through them cheating him (I'm sure they will again) in the primary, he'll CRUSH Trump.
So proud to be Dane that my country is getting "rubbed" by corporate companies.
Aye its grand to live in Danmark where freedom of speech is an illusion made up by the corporate media.
@@GruwskiTheDogski You aren't thankful for your social programs?
@@stevecrane9105 No because we're having major cuts nation wide because of so called "savings" for the rich.
It’s almost as like if people aren’t left with the choice between selling their house or dying because they can’t afford care, they’re gonna be a hell of a lot happier than we are.
You might be on to something...
The sad part is, you might never know...?
Ikr?
Should have gotten insurance i guess...
@@Katt1n Insurance by its very nature doesn't want to pay out. If they can find any wriggle room in the policy (which they can easily; they write the policy) they will use it. Sure you can use government legislation to mandate certain things always be covered. OR, alternatively, found an NHS like my country did and have free healthcare for life provided you all pay National Insurance.
They have a social safety net built onto their taxes we have the worlds biggest military machine built into ours.
I feel like republicans will say something like "well it's easy to have a social safety net when we protect Denmark". If they do that then just say Finland. We are not in NATO (hopefully never be) and we still have stong safety net like Denmark. And in WW2 when we needed help, USA didn't do shit (only volunteers came from USA, I am grateful to them). So instead we had to ask Adolf some help. So no wonder finnish people don't want to join NATO.
Right, the one that feeds only the rich.
Wow🤔
@The Wolverine I have nothing against the troops. My gripe is with the military industrial complex which treats troops like yourself as cannon fodder in their wars for oil and the every growing pillaging of the American public in the form of the military budget. $715 billion dollars a year to fund the military and putting solders in harms way in the middle east for the sake of oil is sick. If we had spent the same money we wasted on the oil wars we would have 100% renewable energy and zero troops would have been killed or injured in the process. A reasonable government would realize that a socal safety net and domestic renewable energy is how you protect your citizens not risking the lives of troops to provide access to oil in the middle east. Some of my best friends came home permanently disabled from those oil wars. It make me sick when I think about what our politicians risked their lives for.
lol
Social democracy is the future. #Bernie2020
Trump lost lots of voters today... YEAAAAA
Bernie needs to be our president
Danny Brown is the best rapper alive
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Actually it's the present, the US has failed to update it's sytem for decades.
And if it updated today, let alone the post-trump era, it would have less than a decde to move to another system as AI enters the phase of rapid replacement of jobs.
how about #justiceforrosaluxemburg
thank god I live in Scandinavia 😀😀
can you adopt me pls?
@@omunday1995 I wish I could adopet every one in America who is not the 1%
John Ødegaard I’m further left than the Nordic people but I commend your system for actually caring for workers and Social Welfare
Brb about to learn a "body switch" spell
@@johneriksson9356 Nogen skal jo betale for gildet og især dem der betaler mest i Norge må da være de bedste mennesker..
Greetings from Denmark! Longtime sub here
Greetings. :)
ÆØÅ Rødgrød med fløde der er ikke yndigt land Holger danske hvor beskytter
Magnus Hansen. Shut your face yoouuuuuu...
@@magnuslambrecht Nu ska vi inte vara sådana!
@deenman23 Wtf are you on about?
But Denmark is Venezuela according to Fox 🤔
Not yet but they will be. France is going through the motions now.
ua-cam.com/video/6UwQ2fyEgzo/v-deo.html
@@vilecrocodile9171 france is getting worse cause they elected that right wing doofus macron and his libertarian BS
@@vilecrocodile9171 you're a moron... it's going through what it's going through now BECAUSE a right wing fuckwad *is* leading the country!! So your reply isn't even a half smart one! right wingers and conservatives should be put down for the greater good of the species.... consider yourself lucky....
@@funkymonkeyjedi9078
Is Neoliberal considered right wing now?
Because that's what Kulinski described him as last year
ua-cam.com/video/olcZVyvNDns/v-deo.html
@Stalin Steel
That's the problem with Socialism isn't it.
It works great until an idiot is put in charge. Which always happens eventually.
Bernie is a hero. He made me wake up from my disillusionment about the future of the world and made me realize that no matter how big the machine is, if you are authentic, consistent and true to yourself, you can inspire people and create real change. He inspired me to make this UA-cam channel to rally progressives worldwide in favor of Bernie 2020. The world needs you 🌎. Bernie 2020 all the way!
Well done! Bernie all the way! You got tons of people with ya, keep it up!
BAHAHAHA TRUMP IS WAY RICHER THEN THIS MISERIBLE COMMY
@@stevecrane9105 Fucking commy
Project 2020 Bernie and his wife are under investigation for fraud. I think you might still be asleep.
start.att.net/news/read/category/news/article/newser-bernie_jane_sanders_being_investigated_for_bank_fr-rnewsernor?lang=es-us
@@FloridaCoast get the fuck out of here neo-Nazi
Tax the wealthy, tax the church, socialize medicine, housing, and education while also allowing private companies.
Tony H Perfect recipe for a better more peaceful America.
dont forget regulating those private entities so we never get the problems we have now with them buying our politicians
We should also end the war on drugs, cease tax loopholes for businesses and the wealthy, cease corporate welfare, cut the military budget, and cease our interventionist military policy.
Right wingers think we want to become a new USSR and don’t listen to us when we say we’ll allow private companies. With worker coops to compete with private businesses of course.
The Awoken and Broken Matt Hardy if you end the wars in the middle east the entire US economy will crash. The petro dollar is what keeps the US market afloat. A lot of investments are out there. Ceasing the military budget and wars would mean catastrophe for the US.
Hey, this is the guy from **that** famous response video!
His roast was so fucking savage lmao.
"Dan Jørgensen - Something is rotten at Fox News"
@Elendil614 Actually, in Danish it is Danmark ;)
Danmark, as in Danes who are its people.
“But Venezuela”
Denmark doesn't nationalize businesses left and right
@@xZeroTheGreat We aren't trying to do that either. Which further proves how stupid and fallacious the Venezuela comparisons are.
not using the 1% money
libtards
@@LK56835 Yes, we will. Universal Healthcare is inevitable in America. And once a REAL progressive takes Office, we will tax the rich more to help pay for it. Sorry, not sorry.
@@LK56835 And I like how you changed it from "Not using my money" to "not using the 1%" lol..it's almost like you realized that no matter how you feel about it, once UHC is passed, YOU WILL be helping to pay for it with taxes. Poor baby cares more about being greedy than helping those who need it..can't wait for reality to slap you in the face.
They’re not actually socialists. They’re SOCIAL DEMOCRATS. It’ll still be Keynesian-Style capitalism.
Just let me clarify our tax system in a very simple way.
We don't pay any tax for the first 46.500kr (6719$) a year. Then we pay around 40% (depending on municipality) of the amount between 513400kr (74182$) and 55% of the amount over 513400kr (74182$).
An example. I you earn 138kr/hour (20$/hour)
52 weeks - 6 weeks of payed vacation = 46 weeks of work = 1702 hours = 234876kr/year = 75350kr (10.886$) in tax and therefor you get 159525kr/year after tax = 13294kr/month.
1920$/month to yourself each month.
Denmark woot woot.
you mean strawman Venezeula? You wanna eat rats, and have dirt cheap Oil? Live in slums and go through hyperinflation? Hehehe, Im retarded in this comment on purpose.
May I say that you are doing an ABSOLUTELY splendid job of that. Your point being....?
Wished more democrats from denmark immigrate to United States and reform our corrupt government.
Why not move to Denmark?
Why the hell would they do that? Fuck this place. They got their shit together already. I'd never come here if I lived there.
Why will they want to endure so much pain and headache, during the process of fixing your corrupt government ? Maybe Americans should get off their asses and fix their own goddamn government.
Don't we're no better than whats already there.
The illusion of our society is a joke.
Danmark is a cluster fuck at the moment.
You do know that the reason why Denmark works is because we also are very national. The Peoples Party got around 25% of the votes in the last election, and they are very anti immigration, only one parti is really for totally open borders and they are falling year for year.
I'm from Sweden. First of all, many American people (especially those on the right) conflates social democracy and socialism. As you correctly point out, social democracy leads pretty well to a meritocratic system, while socialism certainly does not.
I'm not a social democrat (I'm a centrist (by Swedish standards)). Being a centrist in Sweden means a little more market liberal, small business friendly and decentralization and privatization friendly than being a social democrat. We also stand fast on socioliberal values such as feminism, humanism, the individual's rights to choose for themselves as much as possible.
However, I think social democracy is a decent system. It has served Sweden very well throughout the 20th century. My main problem with it though is that it has a tendency to stifle growth (both economically and educationally) for the individual. In its efforts to create that baseline of social and economic security, people with a lot of ambition, potential and ability are often left out and often held back and penalized. Perhaps that's an inherent flaw in the system, perhaps it's Sweden's implementation of the ideology, perhaps it's because of the (in my opinion, unfortunate) influence the now reformed communist party have had and still has on the social democratic party. Perhaps it's a combination of the three.
What is clear as day though, is that you guys are in desparate need of moving towards some kind of social democracy. Such as the situation appears to be in USA with politicians being bought off, Christianity creeping its way into schoolbooks and lack of basic healthcare is really unsustainable.
I do agree on some things mate...The Agenda is far worse than that..
Sorry mate, as your Danish neighbour i have to disagree, In Sweden you're struggling with the same major issue as here in Danmark, however you're much further down the drain than our current state of affair.
You have a bought media with a agenda of killing free-speech and all right views on the world.
Your state is stealing more and more wealth through your country for the sake of control and please the corporate companies.
Your economic and all right society is falling a part by the main factor of hiding behind hate focused around colour and "unfortunate" casualty of war or immigrants issues based around it. It just breeds more hate upon hate.
Your school system is falling a part and you are more inhumane towards your young people's own search of identity that you see them as mire numbers and machines for profit further into the future.
you're trying to neutralize your wording through your country, basically kill of free-speech.
What you're saying is such a major illusion and this goes the same way for Danmark as well as other countries around the world.
The corporate state and all out "Global Empire" is causing so much havoc and chaos.
Swedenstan?
If your Swedish then you need to be worried about Far Left Marxist Feminism Creeping into your textbooks saying bullshit things about Gender biology rather than Christianity creeping into US science (which doesn't happen, US leads world in science). You guys just replaced Christianity with something far worse, SJW ideology. No thanks
Wow what empty headed responses. Right wingism really is a toxin.
@Johan Nilsson. Agree on most part of what you said except for social democracy stifling growth.. Also V is the only real left wing party left and surely needed.
www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/south-korea-and-sweden-are-the-most-innovative-countries-in-the-world/
I think you are being too quick in dismissing socialism as leading to meritocracy, or to use a better term (as meritocracy is a satirical term implying that people believe they cucceeded because of their merit and that those who failed did so because they lacked merit) succeed based on their labor, talent and skills.
The core idea of most traditional socialist ideologies was not equality of outcome (hell, even Karl Marx thought that was not only silly, but impossible and something which shouldn't be tried) is that people are rewarded based on the value of their work. The idea that socialists, or even communists, want equality of outcome, is generally a strawman.
What socialists protest against is the idea that people earn money and power based on the labor of others, i.e. not their own merit. This is the basis of capitalism. An owner buys (leases) people and therefor has the property rights to their work. This right comes merely from having money - though many may actually have produced part of this value through their own labour (i.e. running your own company, driving innovation, etc. capitalism always includes a large amount of exploitation - this is because the capitalist owns the labor value regardless of how hard the workers work and how much value they produce).
There are many alternative systems that are in the socialist category, ranging from worker ownership (including full free market ideologies like Mutualism) to variations of collective and social ownership - and they all have very different economic foundations and goals - however, the core idea is that people have a higher level of agency and ownership over the work people do - or perhaps a higher level of democratic ownership of society as a whole.
This does not mean that the individual that works hard is not rewarded by their merit, but it does mean that the exploitation is removed, and it is harder to amass large amount of wealth if you can't do it on the back of others. Some may still do so, however, for instance a programmer may design a word-changing system and thus create an incredible amount of value on their own. (And note, of course innovating and creating valuable work for others is also incredibly valuable).
It is also worth noting that we may both be stuck in a sphere where we primarily think of economic rewards for merit. This is not the only way to be incentivized or rewarded. As you likely know there is also social capital, and most spend a tremendous amount of time trying to build it. If you look at the more extreme communists, for instance Kropotkin (who was well to the left of Marx), his argument was that all humans should receive the exact same access to goods regardless of labor (and thus being one of the extreme few closely fitting the general strawman) did not believe that merit should not be rewarded. His theories were based around evolution and humanity as a social species, and believed that with financial capital disappearing social capital would simply take its place. While I certainly don't agree with Kropotkin's overall view, at least not until humanity reaches a post-scarcity economy, he makes valid points which should be taken into account.
Aww, audio issues are fixed. No more listening to ST in the background pretending I'm listening to my voice mail.
Cant believe the country with the biggest economy in the world, still argues whether or not to take care of its own citizens. Healthcare and education shouldn't have to be an issue to provide it's own god damn citizens. I hope some day you guys will experience it✌
its not an actual argument between two legitimate sides man. its a fake debate spurred on by the private health insurance and pharmaceutical companies who have entirely too much power and can donate to politicians. its like the climate change non argument because of the oil and gas companies being able to donate to politicians. Lobbyists of big corporations, whether they are weapons manufacturers(from guns to actual military grade tech used for the military), energy companies and health dominate America. So when you ask why america is so messed up in these ways, there is your reason
@@MrInuhanyou123 So vote them out! We've had sovereign kings with dictatorial powers and state political police in Scandinavia too. But work hard for the right of your people and in 2-300 years you can get there too. We did! Wasn't Free. Wasn't easy. The Danish 'American Dream' was to build a fair SOCIETY. So we WORK HARD... TOGETHER... EVERYBODY. We build a nation of progressively more and more democratically minded PEOPLE. And the laws will follow. And the laws will work! I do not believe that ANY set of democratic laws can change a nation of ardent individualist overnight. Not when 'having to feel superior to feel safe' is added to the drinking water of the nation.
I don't want to sound like Danish kill-Joy. Americans say 'There is no such thing as a free lunch'. I believe that is right. The whole family work together to fertilise, plow and tend the field for generations. And it will feed your family. Danes/Scandinavians have found out that the same goes for solid, democratically minded nationstates. Go figure. And if you want the benefits, start working on creating the harmonious balanced society that will give them to you.
And by the way, who says that a lunch that you had to work for, couldn't be worth it? To Scandinavians it was and it is.
I really don't understand the hate against this man..?
Salute to the beautiful people of the left 🙋♂️
Goblin ✌️
Proud to be a member, local chairman and candidate for city council of the Social Democratic Party of Denmark
"Without having the ability to be obscenely wealthy and have so much wealth that by its very nature it corrupts the democratic process"
As a Dane, I can just say that this is an issue in Denmark aswell, we have billionaries and cronies here, Maersk being a perfect example. Whenever policies are proposed that Maersk doesn't like, they'll just threaten to move their business out of the country, which would cause a massive crisis.
We depend heavily on a few mega coorporations, and we are equally influenced by international imperialists like Goldman Sachs snatching our energy production through shady means. Still no one seems to know what happened in parliament that caused the sale, but only the socialist party tried to postpone it to give time for the people to become aware of the sale that was happening.
Something is indeed rotten in Denmark, and while our welfare state is the obvious choice if you want a captialist economy, we still stuffer heavily from neoliberal policies and imperialists. Our welfare state was much better than it is today.
+Denmark is also in the NATO
It just has not the american wild-west-capitalism but is also a corporatist state.
It's America's fault for giving them a low tax place to take business to. Also the fault of all the world's tax haven't. There needs to be a global pact on taxing the rich.
There needs to be a global pact on eating the rich*
Yes, yes and yes. This is the real issue here. Globalization is a step forward when it comes to stuff like making various CO2 aggrements, fighting ISIS, welcoming refugees that have a death sentence on their back, fair trade agreements etc. but really is a giant headache when it comes to giving shelter to multi-country cooperations. That's why I'm so interested in American politics because if they make the change, other countries will follow. Countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway don't get a lot of air time globally.
If Bernie wins the presidency, he should visit Denmark. My guess is the whole country would come out to see him, lol.
Most of Danes don`t like Bernie, including our prime minister.
www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/
@@Tommysimonsen Socialdemocraticism is socialistic mate :p it's just that people get hung up on the word socialist since it's been used interchangeably with communist and those two terms are not synonymous.
Denmark is not a social democracy, it`s just a democracy, there is one party out of 12 here named Social demokrats, but they are not part of the government.
@@Tommysimonsen : "Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy.".
Denmark is a social democracy. Just accept it... or continue to either outright lie or be in complete denial with your head wedged firmly up your own arse. I really don't care.
But the fact remains that anyone with more than two brain cells knows that you're utterly full of shit with bogus claims like that.
@@Tommysimonsen yeah I know :) there is a political and societal model that is called social democracy and then there is the social democrats, as in the party. The model Denmark has as a base is a social democracy (although one with less state owned companies than say sweden for instance). It can be tricky when political parties get mixed up with the overarching political system.
Au revoir to the American Dream.
Now it's an odious Pyramid Scheme.
Pure gold! Awesome video!
As a European I can confirm Denmark is a pretty cool place. One of few European countries that has its wits intact and has been refusing "refugee" quotas since 2015.
Good choice on their part
Denmark has got the best of both.
You're highly admired here too Bernie!
Tax the rich and stop their loopholes
By their logic the Scandinavian Welfare System would lead to terrible productivity as they would make the argument that there is less incentive in Scandinavian Countries to work?
And yet Norways Productivity is higher than the US. Sweden and Finland's are in the top 15.
So that myth that free stuff makes people lazy in Denmark or Norway is a lie. People work there cause they want to, not because they are forced to.
Bernie 2020!
Kyle, you are the man!
I'm a social democrat for this reason. Pure socialism has rarely worked out because you need to make compromises, you just do. Pure capitalism is the same. You need to figure out the right mix and not be blinded by ideology. I mean, I'd still vote for a democratic socialist if I was American because the Overton window is so far to the right. What you really need is a better voting system. That's the problem. Two party politics is never a good idea and first past the post encourages two-party politics.
You certainly always need to compromise, but the compromise does not neccesarily need to be between socialism and capitalism. It is worth remembering how young capitalism actually is, and how even massive countries like Russia were broadly feudalist into last century. 200 years ago you could easily have made the argument that you had to compromise between the power of the aristocracy and the power of the capitalists (and many did) - and remember back then democracy where usually just for aristocrats and capitalists/landowners.
Today this idea seems absurd, but the oppressive power-structure of feudal lords has to an extent continued in the form of the capitalists - who also extract wealth through their property rights, as oppposed to their own labor. As someone who is on the broader libertarian left spectrum I don't see a large philosophical distinction between leasing yourself out (wage labor/salaried labor) and selling yourself (serf) - though of curse morally and practically the former is far, far better I would still strongly object to a system based around the idea that people own the labor of others and gain immense power from this - often so much power that democracy is helpless against them.
What I would personally like is a mixed socialist system, quite close to a social democracy, but with co-ops, associations and individual enterprises taking the place of capitalist enterprises, but still competing in a market economy (often with public companies participating as well, just as today). I don't mind ownership based on the value you create however, and would not be against entrepreneurs owning a larger stake of the companies they start - such compromises would be very interesting to see in practice. (I would also want to decentralize the public sector and have public services to a broader extent under the control of the consumers, and public companies under increased control of the workers).
@@Kraisedion I suppose it depends on what you classify as socialism. Most people think of state-led socialism (that is, of course, a very limited view) and that's what I mean when I say 'pure socialism'. But your kind of market view is closer to social democracy than it is anything else, because it a mixture between public ownership and smaller 'units' of society. It seems to me that this is the closed we're ever going to get to a meritocracy. As for compromise, you need to look at the realities of what you can achieve. Unless there is some compromise between the aristocracy and capitalists, then nothing will ever change, unless there's a workers' revolution and such rapid changes rarely work. Of course, there is power in the very idea of a 'revolution' that can scare them into reform. It's in their own self-interest to compromise with each other. Compromises are better for everyone, even in this situation, because a person could take the side of the aristocrat or the capitalist and benefit by association. There is a limited choice. The system is still inherently wrong, but there is no unilateral concentration of power in the hands of one group or one person.
@@kierandouble6414 Oh, I agree completely. Maybe I did not formulate myself that well. My point was not that compromising with capitalism was or is the wrong choice - social democracy is clearly the most equitable, fair, free and stable system we have seen on a broad scale.
My point was that just because a power dynamic is currently there and hardwired into the fabric of society - it doesn't neccesarily have to be - and that we can still work to progress away from them and finding new compromises as power dynamics shift.
Even in the countries that escaped the liberal revolutions, the aristocracy slowly lost power and the old modes of production faded away and were replaced. To make it clear I think revolutions are a terrible idea, and it is hard to find revolutions that ended well, they tend to usher in tyranny. Even the French revolution ended with Napoleon and then a return to Monarchy and new revolutions.
What I do think can happen however is that we can see capitalists slowly lose power. This can partially be done through democracy, such as the codetermination laws which social democracies already have, ideas of a share of the ownership as well (as proposed by UK Labour) and the government simply promoting alernative modes of production, such as co-ops or even their own public companies. But governments can do very, very little on their own of course. But as power dynamics shift, more wotkers join co-ops, etc. the dynamics shift. Hell, in Norway the majority of wealth is collectively owned and 38% work in the public sector, here it is actually possible to slowly offer clear competition to capitalism and gradually and potentially even largely organically, phase out capitalism.
Thank you parents for having me in Denmark. 👌
If we cut the military spending by 75% and the brought the taxes back to where they were in the Clinton era (or even the Carter era), and then invested that money in the people and infrastructure then we would have the best standard of living in the world.
In Denmark we do have a progressive tax system. We have a “free card” meaning that the first 44.000 kr. Is tax free for everyone. Then you pay 39,7 pct in tax of the next 467.300 kr. You earn. Then everything earned after that will be taxed at the rate of “top Skat/top tax” as it is called, the top tax rate is 55,8 pct. so basically the biggest earners will be the biggest contributors.
Free tertiary education was our reality in Australia, up to the late eighties or early ninties. We also received "Aus Study" grants from Canberra to assist with costs of living and studying full-time or part-time: rent, food, utilities, text books etc..
Federal-funded Medicare is our universal health care system, and our conservative government at present wishes to erode the health care system by introducing private enterprise elements within its framework, and just like the universities, focus on profit will be the main driver: result, erosion of quality of service.
Australia has seen no improvement in service or cost savings for us the citizens, when government utilities and services were privatised: electricity, gas, education, telecommunications, airports, ports, etc etc etc
Corporations from all over the globe have pillaged and robbed us of our national wealth(minerals, public utilities and assets) for two centuries, and the miners are our "King makers".
We also like when our small country is mentioned! Bernie's done a lot for our brand, hehe!
Cheers from Denmark!! :)
If Sanders runs for President again that whole video needs to be covered extensively on the plethora of news channels, websites, social media etc. If every American saw that video in full I feel confident in saying we would have a President-elect Sanders in 2020. It has a ring to it, eh?
Bernies reaction when the guy said he was admired in Denmark warmed my heart. Such a genuine guy!
Coming from Denmark I can only say that most danes (like 90% of the population) are happy with the welfare system we have built up over the last 60-70 years and would consider our system as the best in the world thus understand that the price - the high taxes - are reasonable and ok to pay in the end for it. When you think of it it is really just a way of buying for welfare stuff everybody needs at one point in time in there life anyway so why not make it a joined payment system for all via the taxes that covers all generations as we are stronger together than apart? I mean it really isn't about ideology as it is about pragmatism. Paying up front yourself or via taxes is really just a funding thing cause you have to pay for it anyway eventually.
From you are borned untill you die we all go through needs which makes sense for the State of Denmark representating all danes to organize and employ to all. We all need a hospital to be born in, daycare, pre school, high school, university (or other schooling after high school), unployment payments, re-educations to other industries, Treatments, doctor, retirement and nursery home. Then it makes sense that the same State take care of other services provided for all like the police, jail system when people break the law, infrastructure, public transportation we all use etc.
So basically it makes sense that the State of Denmark take care of the thinks that involved everyone anyway and then it makes sense that the rest is up to the individual so as no body tell people how to live their lives ie. Its really about thinking smart and not so much about ideology imo however I would agree that looking from the outside the "Nordic Welfare" system as its called is in reality a mixture of socialism and capitalism. If you want to get rich, you can do that here too, but if you are not so materialistic interested but more interested in other things you can do that too. Most important is not to loose people on the ground that needs help.
Bernie is brilliant to watch and has been the best that has happended to the US in many years and from a dane it only makes me happy and optimistic that more and more americans have started to listened to him. He should inspire politicians all over the world and also here in Denmark how to get people passionate about their country and ideas so it'll be interesting to see what happends to the "socialist" movement in the US the coming years as I understand primarily the youth are up fr new ideas and way of doing things in the US, right :-)
It's an objective empirical fact that the Scandinavian countries have a healthier and less anxious population, with higher social mobility, lower levels of crime, and higher levels of life satisfaction. I can tell, as a swede, that basically no one questions the welfare system. We debate if it should include dental care or not, how regulated the private companies working inside the welfare system should be, what the exact levels of VAT should be, etc. But basically no one questions the foundations; free healthcare, free education and a solid social security net. It's so obvious it works to everyone's advantage.
Many americans seem to be quite uneducated when it comes to the reality of the human condition. They believe everyone is either a self-made loser or a self-made winner. It couldn't be further from the truth. We're all products of our environment and genetic predispostions, affected by chance and forces beyond our control (economical, social, cultural etc). So let's work together to optimize the environment and try to get everyone to flourish in their own way. Sure, the hyper-competetive nature of american culture might produce some mindblowingly influential billionaire executives, but it does so at a very high cost. The american society is a distrustful, deeply divided, stressed out and scared one.
But in Sweden you have a minority fanatics of capitalism. Some are really unbearable.
Single payer healthcare is the best system for healthcare overall. Private healthcare should still be an option, only if you can afford it. But since they have to compete with the government, they have no choice but to lower the cost, which is why US lawmakers don't want it.
We have both private schools and hospitals in Denmark too.
It's a bit of a mess tbh, but even when a government see them as competition, they don't disappear.
all credd & repect to bernie! we love you here in sweden as well! and i'm truly blessed for living in this great country, we still can do a little bit better! but the world has alot to learn from our nordic countries!
One other thing I would argue is more meritocratic in the Nordic countries, is that you can get admitted to university by merit alone. There is no way to buy yourself in if you aren't smart enough. I am not 100% sure if it is like that in other countries but at least here in Finland.
tuomopoika that is true in Denmark as well
I scored 34 on the ACT (that's 99th percentile) and I still can't get out of a community college because of California's stupid transfer rules. If America weren't so dumbed down I could get into a real college with a full scholarship on that score alone. The community service and extracurriculars requirement is anti-poor.
tuomopoika Kyllä kovasti Sipilä on sitä leikkaamassa (myös torille)
Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are two completely different things
Yup
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RedditForBernie on UA-cam is great too. Just found it recently.
thank you for the info
Criminally underrated channel.
Liked for the audio returning.
I moved to Norway two years ago and it was like a black cloud over my head just suddenly vanished. Norway has it's problem... but compared to the far-right hellhole I was in, it is a thing of great beauty.
And we actually have a fair chanse of changing the problems in Norway if we give it an effort.
Yes, that's very true. If people talk about the issues then we can solve them.
I live in southern California. Warm weather is fucking overrated.
@Иван Сергей Yeah, I hate the weather in Norway. However I think most people have the wrong idea. It is not remotely as cold as most people think. My primary problem with living in Norway is the darkness in winter, not so much the cold.
But it is always trade-offs. I've considered living many other places outside of Norway, but it is hard to find a perfect place. There are always downsides. I like in Norway 1) relatively high wages, 2) relaxed and egalitarian work culture, 3) honesty, 4) low crime 5) good public services 6) commitment to the well being of children. 7) Nature.
If I did not live in Norway I'd probably live in the Netherlands, or perhaps Austria or Switzerland. I dunno. If the US could get its shit together I'd love to live there. But the way things are now, I could not imagine living there permanent. It is too harsh of a society IMHO. I lived there for a bit over a year, and I loved the opportunities, climate, people etc. But often it felt a bit like living in a police state. Too many rules, and often far to draconian. Too focused on materialistic things at the expense of human needs.
If Bernie Sanders could have been in charge for 8 years, things may have ended up much nicer.
AAY you're back!! No more funky audio or weird photo
3:28 Is that a toddler getting wasted?
They must have more freedom. 😂
Edward Geist I saw it too. Toddler drinking some danish beer.
Denmark....
it is elder flower and apple juice organic but in a glass bottle since best for environment
Bernie brings with him an aura of sincerity and kindness that I've only seen AOC exude. The two of them really are a cut above the rest in a way that's inspiring and makes you feel hope again.
Also, i love that he talked to the guy who made the viral Denmark video in response to Fox. Fantastic interview all around.
Actually the Danish politician is considered a bit on the dull side at home, carismawise. But it it inspires you, go for it girl.
I am glad to see that Kyle has finally made it out of that well, but unfortunately he did lose his legs in the process 😭
Big Seltzer paid for prosthetics so he could go to Politicon. That's why Kyle has never been seen in shorts. Fact.
My great grandfather came from Denmark and somehow ended up in rural Iowa. I want to take my family name back to Denmark.
My great grandmother's family came to Iowa from Denmark too. I demand right of return.
The United States should break up into 50 countries. Denmarks population of 5.7 million is less then many US states. People have a greater sense of unity in smaller countries.
We have a system in place to do that, it is called the constitution.
Crazy idea... but I like it... Then again a lot of state economies would fall apart.
I think Canada and the US should both break up into smaller countries. The Southern States can finally live their dream of secession (as can Texas and Quebec), northeastern US and the Canadian maritimes can join together, the midwest could become the breadbasket of the whole continent, the Pacific Northwest can become a bastion for Liberals, and we can give So Cal, Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada back to Mexico.
@@whyamimrpink78 You can't constitutionally succeed from the Union. Remember... there was literally a civil war concerning this issue.
@@malikanthony1149 , true, but the Constitution allows states to be independent within the framework of the constitution. The federal government deals with foreign affairs and commerce across state lines.
This is the THIRD Secular Talk vid I have seen today with a GODDAMN Preager U ad. UA-cam SUCKS!
I think Bernie should also have a chat with Conservative politicians from Denmark and see what their views are and what policies they are currently pushing for.
but you know right wing politicians in Denmark are considered liberals, right? They'd still seem left wing to americans
Christian Nielsen well by that measure you could say conservatives in Canada would be moderate democrats in America.
Yeah - I'd also like to see what's considered right wing there. I'm assuming they don't want to abolish the welfare programs.
Is it leftist to put all refugees on a desolate island?
@@petterbirgersson4489 I can't say if i agree or disagree with the proposal BUT, one thing is for certain: They don't want to put all refugees there. Only ones who are criminals, ones who have already been to court and the decision has been made, that they aren't welcome in Denmark. That they should be sent back. We're talking 100 people maybe
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Kyle, the reason we in Scandinavian pay higher taxes and everything isn't shifted on the rich is because we're a much more egalitarian society. Search for wealth distribution Sweden and compare it with the US..
The US right now is in a second gilded age
that's all well and good, but i think kyle is coming from the perspective of the rich being the ones on top in America for so long, they should be the ones to bear the biggest burden in supporting the lower classes now who have been paying for that lopsided bias against them for the past few decades.
@@MrInuhanyou123 I think he said he didn't agree with the tax system.
@@Faddnn he didnt say he didnt agree with your system specifically, just that he didnt agree that we as America could not pay for the things we want by taxing the rich through more progressive taxation and re appropriating the trillions of dollars we spend on nonsense towards those things as opposed to making the lower classes pay into it when they have already been suffering
@@MrInuhanyou123 He said: "I actually have one small disagreement with them".
So with "them" I assume he is talking about us.
I think people should have more than the absolute bare minimum though. I'd argue that this is what we have here already. When people get the absolute bare minimum it is just enough to barely keep them alive and stuck in the same place of low quality and hindered potential and with many other problems. If we establish a base that meets criteria that is generous enough to maintain a certain level of quality to keep people healthy and able to not be in a state of austerity, deprivation, dirty dilapidated toxic environment etc.. then not only will they have more options available to reach a higher potential despite bad choices or mistakes but there would be much less problems that come from despair because they will not be able to go rock bottom, at least not w/o really trying hard (and people who try really hard to go rock bottom probably have some problem that needs to be humanely addressed). I do not like to think about things in terms of "making it" etc.. I like to see people healthy with lots of options available and a guarantied humane life quality and room to live and learn w/o being put to the streets or into an impossible inescapable cycle of poverty. Okay not everyone will be famous or rich but this way no one will have to unnecessarily suffer horrible consequences that come from low income,poverty,homelessness.. also even if everyone started from the exact place we should still have safety net because we are human beings and likely to fuck up and make mistakes plus accidents and problems outside of our control. I'd never say to someone struggling "too bad for you , should made better decisions" Like if we knew our decisions would lead us somewhere bad before hand of course we would never make them ...also humans are emotional beings who are not always in their right mind so I would like to see a higher more humane standard that takes all of this into account and is oriented in a more egalitarian and altruistic way rather than looking at life like it is just a competitive sport.
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Why does Bernie call himself a democratic socialist when his policies are those of a Social Democrat? I'm a Social Democrat and support the walefare state and Bernie Sanders. Why try to change the meaning of words?
Alexandria Occasio Cortez does the same thing. It's a legit problem. I don't know if anyone's corrected them on it, but they need to.
CitrusPeppercorn Kyle has mentioned that many times. Unfortunately the views of a social democrat are too far gone at this point to democratic socialist it’s almost changed the meaning. Big issue though.
Because they're interchangeable.
In textbook definitions, they aren't. You're right. But the world isn't run on textbook definitions. Minute differences between phonetically similar ideologies only matter to the philosophers that study them. In reality we respond as much to how something sounds as to what it officially means.
In Bernie's generation, the term was democratic socialist. In today's lexicon we distinguish between socdems and demsocs. It makes little difference in the end.
There is also the issue of Social Democrat being extremely similar to just Democrat party. Which leads to a different type of confusion. I think it is a matter of an American perspective that Social Democrat is the term more likely to cause confusion with an established party.
@@zotaninoron3548 Only the very left of the left wing of the Democratic Party would be considered Social Democrats in the Scandinavian sense of the word though. Heck, I wouldn't even say most of the progressive cacus are social democrats.
Socialism is when the means of production are in control of the state. Having a robust welfare state including, but not limited to university basic income, tuition free college, and single payer can all be in place in a capitalist system.
I love Denmark and spent a lot of time there this year. Folks I talk to about out healthcare and student loan scam here in the US were horrified. My goal is to move my family there in the next 2 years
But Kyle ....venezuela im so smart.
The Kyle Driver is back.
Pre reagan tax brackets.
I love him.
Did they talk about what actually is Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism? Lol nah Bernie my dude still
It's the same with the use of the word 'liberal' which also have different meanings in the us and Europe.
MLG Bernie Sanders But why complicate things? It’s alright but it’s kind of taking the political identity of others. George Orwell was a true Democratic Socialist. It’s a post-Capitalist ideology so it is a bit annoying that Social Democrats are calling themselves socialists. Regardless I’m for anyone that helps the working class and that’s more important.
You should watch it. at this point, it doesnt even matter the distinction between those two terms. mass amounts of social democratic young people are flooding the dem socialists of america organization. whether you want a post capitalist blatantly anti private economic system or a capitalist hybrid economic system with good regulations on private entities to stop them from from hijacking the process(which is most people's preference) is pretty irrelevant when everyone regardless of their smaller differences agrees on wanting to change the country in general from what we are now, which isnt even a democracy but a militarized oligarchic private dystopia
MrInuhanyou123 That’s well understood. But my criticism is how good is a Welfare State when Capitalism is still creating disparities and creating elitist classes. Welfare it self was a conservative tool to keep workers away from Socialist movements, Otto von Bismarck is credited with finding the first modern Welfare State and he did it to protect capitalists interests not to care for the workers.
In general I agree however that Social Democracy is far better a system then the plutocracy we live in undermining democracy.
@@blackflagsnroses6013 I get what your saying...your for overthrowing the concept of capitalism because it by default creates social class divisions...but no system is perfect IMO. I believe even in an economic system where one intended to erase those divisions, they would still exist in some other way just by the very nature of how humans are.
America in general is well versed in "the american dream"....its just baked into most of our mindsets so capitalism as a tenet cant ever really realistically go away in the minds of a majority of people.
The issue is that the "capitalism" that we have now isnt even what most people who believe in the economic structure would consider capitalism. That's what is driving most young people actively away from it. Make the system way more fair, and you see far less of people on the fringes advocating for complete ban on it.
I feel like America is a center left country at heart in global terms, but we've been far to the right for a long time now because of the corruption in our system. Getting rid of that to me alone is the biggest part of winning the war. I don't care about anything beyond it
The biggest strength of the left is the sense of international solidarity that we have. I have no direct relation to the US or Denmark but this convergence of leadership still makes me so happy.
Denmark also has a population of 6 million people 😂 more people live in the city of new York not counting the rest of the state 🤣🤣
Okay and?.. Thats not an argument, We are the wealthiest nation on the god damn planet. You're getting fucked over by corporate greed!
@GG , smaller population means you can micromanage these programs easier and less diversity. Larger diversity means a more complex system. Ignoring population size is literally saying that everyone is the same and that people are not different which goes against what the political left praises about diversity any other time.
@GG look at it like this some people own a car from 1999 no payments and some lease a 2018 with payments America OS a well oiled machine with debt and a lot of people in it Denmark isnt America true but I'd rather have a smaller house that I own than a huge house I'm paying off on a 30 year fixed rate...its all optics America is a great country but so are others as well get a passport and visit..
The US has more tax payers also. So when you scale it to 'per capita' your point is irrelevant.
Make America Happy Again 😀
Well i love my country, we have problems (like a lot of people wjo have never been near Denmark will be quick to point out)
And as a dane i would love to pay even more taxes, so we can continue to build our society.
Also held og lykke Bernie Sanders, hope you win this time if you choose to run.
I love your country, too, but I am cheap. You had me at "nice cottages and tasty sausages". Rugged shoreline also helps!
I wish they didn’t insert music in there to tell you how to feel. Maybe we would feel something if we could hear them
But venezuela
Proud to be European. Im a Belgian leftist/centrist. Our Country is slowly deviding in extremes, We must NOT let this happen!
Say NO to communism!
Say NO to facism!
And Denmark also has strict immigration laws and no birthright citizenship. Left wingers tell us we should be more like Europe when it’s politically convenient.
We're talking about the economic sustainability of Denmark due to its strong citizens. We disagree on immigration only because in America we simply have more influx of immigrants that contribute to our economy. So yeah, it is politically convenient, but it's also economically convenient in America to have different immigration laws when you look at immigration rates and their impacts on differing economies. But also this might be due to wanting to protect their welfare state which is also reasonable. Here in America however, it's a finer line because immigrants contribute a lot to our society and have been a part of us and seemingly will be apart of the type of country we are. Hopefully, we will foresee ourselves as the diverse people we are so we can move on and create a happy society, though in a different way from Denmark.
I missed the part where left wingers said we need to copy every letter of Danish law verbatim.
And right wingers want us to be more like Medieval Europe.
I live in Belgium and we have many of the things Denmark has and there are many immigrants and a lot of diversity here. So the 'minorities ruin everything' argument is invalid
I agree with this sentiment. If you want a welfare state, you need to keep poor immigration low. You can't have it both ways. I'm on the left but not for massive immigration.
I hope the next time those two meet, he's the president 😃
Let's not forget that Nordic countries are small and homogenous. The United States is large and diverse. It is significantly more difficult to apply their system to our country on a national level. A state level maybe. Vermont, New Hampshire, Alaska and Hawaii can easily implement a similar system, but Texas, California, Florida and New York will have more challenges. I think the decentralization of the government and more state autonomy would better the lives of its residents. Democratically elected governors will be have more power over their state and would better implement social liberal or libertarian or even socialist reforms.
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Got any numbers to back up their system's lack of ability to adapt to scale? I see this pointed out a lot, with no context, no justification for their reasoning. Why can't it work with scale?
While it would take longer to implement and plan, and would worker better starting from the state, us being larger shouldn't affect too much - more people also means more money to fund it, really. So money shouldn't be a problem.
@@sergiowolfpac , saying "adapt to scale" is saying that everyone is the same. What I find to be ironic with leftists is how you preach diversity and how people are different, but when it comes to economic issues supposedly everyone is the same.
When the founding fathers developed this nation they ran into that exact same problem which is why they created state rights.
@@whyamimrpink78 I never said it would adapt to scale. I'm asking for clarification and reasoning for why it wouldn't adapt to scale. I understand your inherit fear of large government, but thats not what I'm arguing now. It's whether that system of healthcare would scale or not. Not whether we should do it or not.
Yes that's the direction I want to go in
Sorry Bernie, but praising the Danish social democrats deserves some criticism. The Social Democrats (SD) in Denmark has turned massively to the right, by even adopting anti-migrant rhetoric. In 2014, it was the Social-Democrats who sold off state shares in the public energy company DONG Energy to the investment bank Goldman Sachs (YES, that Goldman Sachs). Also they cut taxes on the rich, because they had this right-wing ideas that lower taxes would increase the competition. Social democracy used to make Denmark more equal, however inequality and a rise in the far-right in Denmark is the direct result of the SD abandoning those core leftist ideas in the 90's. Denmark is still doing good, but only because the right-wing and the SD haven not fully dismantled the welfare state. However under EU orders, the social democrats are making the country more unequal and their pro-capitalist politics have alienated many workers into voting for the far-right Danish People's Party. www.socialistworld.net/index.php/international/europe/denmark/6122-Denmark--40,000-lose-unemployment-benefits
Immigration isn't a left vs right issue.
Look into some of the things Bernie's said about immigration in the past.
Too much immigration marginalizes the poor and (unless they're refugees) robs poor countries of precious human resources.
Far-right in Denmark is still probably left of the Democratic Party in the United States. That's about the best Bernie can do here.
Revolutionary Socialist Media lmao having strong immigration laws and not open borders is not far right use your head man
Kyle, I was talking to Jordan Chariton of " Status Coup"...you should do that interview with him that he had asked you about, I and many of your subscribers would like to watch the interview, you can start setting things up for 2020
Not Scandinavia, but I have family in the Netherlands. I saw ZERO trailer parks and ONE homeless person. I visited for a month. I wasn't living in the tourist traps I was living in a small village with my Aunt and Uncle.
If some politician in Denmark proposed to cut their social medicare, college or job security, he would be considered the craziest far right maniac of the country. Meanwhile in the US... idk complete the sentence yourself.
In Canada you can also go to whatever doctor you want or whatever hospital you want and there is no fee for treatment, tests any medical procedures but it does not cover dental. There is no deductible or co-payments or anything to pay. You can see your doctor or go to emergency as often as you need. I have changed my doctor a number of times and even moved to different provinces and it's not a problem, everything is still covered.
I have heard for some procedures, you might have to wait for non-serious things but I have never had any problems with waiting, so it has not been an issue for me. I'm very happy with my free, socialized healthcare! It works for me! (and trust me, I use it)
Very interesting
I’m going to go study in one of these countries, and this video only solidifies that for me.
Leading 5 million people is not as leading 330 million people.
Kings don't repeat themselves.
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The reason we pay so much tax here in Scandinavia is because we pay for "everything" through taxes. Not only health and education, but also churches, culture, science and sports. And much more.
-No government minimum wages
-Low Corporate Tax Rate
-Low tariffs, not protectionist
-Large amount of foreign investment
-Encourages global trade
-Market Economy
Seems like a pretty good deal to me!
Feel the Bern
Your Mom would be set for LIFE. She would never have to worry.
They must be very proud of their country... and for good reasons.
That was a good video
It’s really sad how the one old dude who really wants to help you out is constantly attacked by the other side because of the lack of knowledge.
Now wondering about the logistics of moving to Denmark
Hes actually a former minister and if the opposition wins he will probably be minsiter again. For you americans, it is like sitting in the cabinet as a Secretary (like HUD) or Secretary of State.
Though i agree that Finland is about the same as the Scandinavian countries, it is not a Scandinavian country.
For some reason Americans seem to call it part of Scandinavia due to their political and social systems being about the same as us.
But Finland is a Nordic country, and is seemingly doing awesome, though not Scandinavian...
Might be nitpicky, but it still is a bit annoying.
Also in Italy most people think Finland is Scandinavia.
As for Denmark, I think back to a Freakonomics podcast done on it awhile ago. It was about why some Americans who moved to Denmark for awhile thought the High Happiness Rate was real and such. Super interesting.
It's all about appropriation , not increasing taxes. Ending corporate welfare would pay for these programs.