Even if we see many dangerous things at the station, platform, or car. But trust me, KAIC is always puts safety first at all. The whole standard safety procedure adapted from Japan is not just a formality. Indonesia know very well that Japan is a country that prioritizes safety more than anything else, so since the first car import from Japan, KAIC always chasing Japan in terms of safety and cleanliness. Some of Japanese train technicians also often assign some of their technicians to study in Indonesia in terms of maintaining trains because KAIC's expertise in maintaining old trains is definitely much more difficult than new trains. we know what is good, and are grateful to those who teach it, and to those who practice it for us. without shame, but with pride. From indonesia.
@@Ann_niana yes! Although it's japan train, but many of their new technicians are trained to work on newer series, and the Japanese often sent them to Indonesia to learn how to maintain the older trains as they would likely encounter in the coming years when their train grow old and require more complex and complicated care.
Yep, i guess that's why everytime i go to a trainstation it felt like i'm in another country. Different levelr of safety procedures and quality from other places in Indonesia.
Oh wow you’re Taiwanese. Your knowledge to the Indonesian Railways are insane! Thank you for your video and review, many people don’t know much about Jakarta.
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I remember my first time riding JR 205 about 10 years ago. It was truly such a massive improvements for the train running in Jakarta and its suburbs. I hope KAIC soon got a new trainset to match its demand. Too bad the E217 was rejected, I was really looking forward to it.
I am a daily basis commuter-this one is quite reliable. There are already 1400 departures daily and the route is keep increasing to the outer districts
Yeah I think unless ur taking the express from taroko or above the regular tse chiang push pull can still feel dirty due to it emitting diesel which is atleast getting replaced by the newer tse chiang which are quite clean. But the regular commuters don’t feel as clean as the express trains
@@arjunraj823 Did you read my comment carefully? I don't compare to Japan. We ADOPT Japanese railway system. You must be from India. Your country sucks! Shit everywhere.
@@arjunraj823 at least in general train and stations in Indonesia are clean, comfortable, all have AC, all passanger have seat, the toilet are clean as well, even in the countryside the stations looks well maintained. We have already revolutionized the citizen mentality in short period of time (only in 3 years, it's pretty much like Bangladesh back then), now no more roof surfer, no more illegal passanger, no more illegal food sellers in the train, no more stinky animal, etc. It's already huge achievement for us. Revolutioning people mentality are harder but often overlooked. A country can build this and that, but often they barely maintaining it, so sometimes it's look dirty, not well maintained. I hope we can extend the hsr line and metro gradually.
Arigatou gozaimasu ( terimakasih ) sudah melakukan review kereta indonesia. Mulai dari kepemimpinan bapak ignasius jonan yang mampu merubah kerta indonesia menjadi lebih maju dan modern dan tentunya bersih 😊
Belum pernah mengalami padam listrik di Jakarta kecuali Black out dan itu mungkin sedang ada trouble dan stasiun2 di Jakarta biasanya aman2 saja tidak terjadi pemadaman listrik
Tidak, itu hanya di stasiun kampung Bandan saja biasanya karena konsleting listrik. Circuit break itu lokal. Ini bagian safety. Tapi memang berarti ada yang harus diperbaiki, apalagi saat musim hujan.
You should have tried to use the commuter line on work day, on work travel hour (8 AM). There, you will encounter the real face of public transportation in Jakarta. (and even then they had improved it, so)
20:27 バタビアになる前に修正。 この都市はジャヤカルタと呼ばれます。 そしてジャヤカルタになる前、この都市はスンダ・ケラパと呼ばれていました。 そしてスンダ市のケラパは西暦 400 年に設立されました。 koreksi sebelum menjadi Batavia . kota ini bernama Jayakarta . dan sebelum menjadi Jayakarta kota ini bernama Sunda kelapa. dan kota Sunda kelapa didirikan pada tahun 400 masehi
Currently The inka are in collaboration between j-trec, new car will introduced in 2025(inka x j-trec), for interim however.. we want buy new 3ts from japan..(this is another program)but what making me concern is.. KAI is really have a long time choosing what's need to be imported... I myself don't have such a problem if just imported the e235(without modifying it), but maybe kai have some specifications.. But what i meant is.. they promise to make it fast.., as when i thought its already settled (importing japan ts), i was slapped by the fact that KAI still not made up their mind, they're still choosing what's more benefits them(last time i heard they opened tender again), in the bottom of my heart i was hoping they're pretending to open tender again but already have the contract winner and already in production silencely without another competitors even knowing.., but what if its not then.., there's no point calling it an interim new trainset if its arrive here in 2025..(coz it will be arrive here while inka x j-trec product are introduced in the same time..), we need to be a sarden in can for one more year.., i know most competitors have amazingly fast time build so it can arrive here near october or something before 2025, but still if it arrives in 2025 there's no point calling it an interim.., another hope is i want that retrofit train is not taking too long to be re conditioned, atleast 7 months for the 1 or 2 first ts Well as I thought... *sigh* crrc win.. This is not even surprising anymore.., hsr is already choosing china so I thought that our krl commuter line would just stick with Japan but In the end.. *I'm just gonna rest my eyes* I hope Inka developed well..
- There are actually ads on the KRL (the Commuter Train), but the ads space is not always occupied. - I didn't know about the Japan and Indonesia number before! A very interesting fact. - It is true that the schedule is not set in stone; like everything time in Jakarta (and Indonesia in general), the time stretches :) - INKA's built car for LRT Jakarta system is notoriously problematic!
They are going to retrofit TM05 to INKA, i was hoping if we could see new train, but it got rejected by the government. They said we should retrofit TM05 instead
24:51 "at that moment, a tragedy occured. rear carriages are out of platform" 😂😂😂😂 it's actually quite happening a lot of time in KRL in jakarta. because sometimes the stations isnt that large, so the platform too is short. thats why usually the conductor would announce it on speaker for the passanger to move to ths front carriages if they want to leave the train
nice, also thanks for the political view so me, at least, got a PoV from the outsider. I think Japan-China problem also happened to Jakarta-Bandung bullet train a.k.a Whoosh. if I remember correctly, the planning was happened with Japanese but the construction happened under Chinese
Tidak apa karena di Indonesia hidup bersama saling membantu jika ada lansia atau disabilitas walau tidak saling mengenal... 😂😂😂 Disini tidak saling mengenal mungkin anda akan merasa seperti keluarga
Actually, why Indonesia no longer wants to import used Japanese trains is because according to the Indonesian government the price is too expensive and it is better to buy new trains.That's why the Indonesian government is now ordering locally made trains. Until now, the Indonesian government is still collaborating with the Japanese in building the metro line in Jakarta.
As an Indonesian , it would be wise that Japanese firms and INKA ( Like Staedler of Switzerland) , jointly built a train manufacturing plant and MRO facility for future replacements of the older train ( like you do for the ICE cars and bikes) . Yes China , South Korea, Germany , France, Canada are very eager to get a piece of the action in rail based transportation from HSR, MRT, LRT, Monorail, Trams , Commuter and logistic lines...and yes China is the most aggressive...I do hope Japan is " sensitive" enough to know our aspiration as well. We handed Japan for MRT phase 1, 2 and 3 for greater Jakarta as well as future Surabaya MRT. Our capital is moving from Jakarta to Nusantara , East Borneo this coming August 2024. It high tme for Japan to take actions if they do not want to overtaken by China and others. 🙏✌️👍 PS even Japanese JPop artists are still popular here such as Yoasobi , Fujii Kaze etc against non stop bombardments of Kpop 😂😂😂😂
Maybe if Japan allows transfer of knowledge/technology to the Indonesian technician and provide us with the spare parts needed, we may be able to do the maintenance without cannibalizing other units and keep the trains available for longer time. If Japanese allow us to make spare parts here in Indonesia and make factory here, it would be really much appreciated.
That's right, Indonesia is planning to purchase 3 trainsets from China, retrofit 19 used Japanese trainsets and make 14 trainsets from local manufacturers which will operate in early 2025
13:40 common sense of not wanting to get hit by a train will keep us safe. and we have the same rate of "single individual commuter line incident" as Japan, so 😜 ps.: better safety would lead to faster and more smooth train entry into the station, instead. so yeah that's actually the real price.
The government of Indonesia is providing services for its people. I think the Indonesian government is doing great. Never mind the source of trains. Compare to some in the developed countries these trains are better.
Here we are happy with used items from Japan and the west particularly since Indonesians perhaps are not worth deserving anything new in the eyes of our leaders. But, at least we still have the goods 😅. Thank you dear government, we love used trains, used buses, used planes and used fighter jets 🎉.
Karena kecintaan lu kepada negara, karena dari kecil anak2 indo di cekokin sugesti cinta negara dan pahlawan, bagus dan ada buruknya jg, jika sedikit disenggol orang luar tempramental penuh emosi, ini liputan dr media luar pasti sangat antusias jika menonton
Next, KAI Commuterline trainset ( JR Metro in Japan ), will use domestic product by PT lNKA ( lndonesian Railways lndustry ). KAI order 16 new trainset ( 16 x 12 wagon ) & operational at 2026. At the momment, before come new trainset from lNKA, KAl import from Japan, 3 trainset ( 3 x 12 wagon ). Thank you for Japan. ///// 👍👍
13:00 or you can teach us. train import is one big issue that often get talked at the legislation. because Indonesia has this rather-dumb-and-wishful Tingkat Komponen Dalam Negeri (Domestically-made Components Rate) rule. I know our local company themselves are trying to make something similar to 205... but it's not as reliable and takes longer (and in general more expensive) than 205 yet. So yeah, help will be very appreciated. We can just find a way for us to benefit you, too, by teaching us.
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Even if we see many dangerous things at the station, platform, or car. But trust me, KAIC is always puts safety first at all.
The whole standard safety procedure adapted from Japan is not just a formality.
Indonesia know very well that Japan is a country that prioritizes safety more than anything else, so since the first car import from Japan, KAIC always chasing Japan in terms of safety and cleanliness.
Some of Japanese train technicians also often assign some of their technicians to study in Indonesia in terms of maintaining trains because KAIC's expertise in maintaining old trains is definitely much more difficult than new trains.
we know what is good, and are grateful to those who teach it, and to those who practice it for us. without shame, but with pride.
From indonesia.
this train are made from Japan right? I found it interesting that japan sent their technician to Indonesia to study their own train maintenance.
@@Ann_niana yes! Although it's japan train, but many of their new technicians are trained to work on newer series, and the Japanese often sent them to Indonesia to learn how to maintain the older trains as they would likely encounter in the coming years when their train grow old and require more complex and complicated care.
tapi boong
@@yondaime0user emang iya 🤡
Yep, i guess that's why everytime i go to a trainstation it felt like i'm in another country.
Different levelr of safety procedures and quality from other places in Indonesia.
2023年6月去印尼爪哇旅遊了一趟，印尼的軌道交通做得很不錯，另外也有坐一段日惹到泗水的城際列車，也是乾淨舒適，速度也挺快的
COME TO SURABAYA AGAIN😊
@@b1k272 Thank you, Indonesia is a very beautiful country.
Hope I can visit again soon 😄
@@hanako6644 r u japanese?
@@aridwifalera6480 I'm Taiwanese, but I am working with Japanese 😊
@@aridwifalera6480 I am Taiwanese. But I work with Japanese and I can speak japanese.😊
I think Second-hand JR is very good even it called second-hand but still very well maintained and good condition to use.
Oh wow you’re Taiwanese. Your knowledge to the Indonesian Railways are insane! Thank you for your video and review, many people don’t know much about Jakarta.
不論列車，月台與車站設計，車長制服都完全使用日本模式😮
說真的看起來沒想像中落後...
就連電氣系統也是跟日本一樣的1.5kVDC
但高鐵就有點特別
當然是向好的東西學習，不然向中國一樣
如果他們月台屋頂能加裝太陽能板也許就不會缺電了吧
好懷念的車廂，疫情前去日本出差每天搭鶴見線就是用205系的車子，椅子一模一樣
鶴見線目前增加了E131系1000番台這款新車，與原有的205系1100番台一起投入營運。
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Very comprehensive video!! I admire your hardwork and research to do this👍👍. Thank you for visiting Indonesia.
停電事件很少見，也許你偶然來到那裡，出現了問題，但這並不困擾我，我是印尼人，使用我們的火車是安全的
I remember my first time riding JR 205 about 10 years ago. It was truly such a massive improvements for the train running in Jakarta and its suburbs. I hope KAIC soon got a new trainset to match its demand. Too bad the E217 was rejected, I was really looking forward to it.
すげー懐かしい光景☆
I am a daily basis commuter-this one is quite reliable. There are already 1400 departures daily and the route is keep increasing to the outer districts
日本二手電車看起來內外裝都很乾淨，裡面的格局也不錯，臺鐵學著點啊😂
問題就在於日本沒有製造符合台灣25KV交流電的通勤電聯車，除非修改車上機電系統，目前日本的交流電通勤電車，規格與台灣最接近的，大概只有JR九州的813系。
日本連垃圾車水泥車都很乾淨
Yeah I think unless ur taking the express from taroko or above the regular tse chiang push pull can still feel dirty due to it emitting diesel which is atleast getting replaced by the newer tse chiang which are quite clean. But the regular commuters don’t feel as clean as the express trains
900的椅子現況 呵呵⋯
Japan is good TRAIN ❤thanks japan
7:43 東洋IGBTインバータが海外で聞けるのジャカルタだけちゃうかな。
S.35 的意思是 “鸣笛” (Semboyan 35)，但这个标志其实叫 Semboyan 8 （八号号志）
车长看到后指摘确认会说 “Semboyan lapan, bunyikan suling” （八号号志，鸣笛）
鸣笛这个动作叫 35号号志，但是那个标志叫 8号号志
其實這台火車呢 是由日本的武藏野線的205係電車 2020年10月19日武藏野線205係開出最後一班車（1991-2020）
印尼的環境其實也滿乾淨的，火車的狀況也不錯，
Only part of it, sometimes you will find conditions where it looks dirty and dirty, some Indonesia still don't realize how important cleanliness is.
@@Kim-JongUn_ semua negara ada sisi buruknya, tidak hanya indonesia
@@dedetgume3046 tapi indonesia banyak buruknya 😥😥
@@muhammadal-farizi2730 anda saja yg hanya tau sisi buruk Indonesia
@@Kim-JongUn_ oke malingsiall
13:01 日本目前已經沒有生產205系，不過要是日本點頭的話，重啟生產線也不是不可能，日本目前還是有一定數量的205系在跑，不然就是209系拿去用。E217是15節編組，抽掉GREEN CAR也還有13輛。
E217已經可以當不可能了
印尼那邊政府內部已經做掉了(很奇妙的制度，預算在他們國會是有過，但被更後面的流程擋掉)
@@LinRail 加拿大龐巴迪也會作梗，不是只有中國。
@@ArmaliteR10 現在它已經是法國阿爾斯通爹的孩子
I'm not interested in locomotive but your observation is truly astonishing. I watched it until the end
I have been using the Bogor Line for 10 years and I learned much about trains from this video. Thank you.
I hope you enjoyed your stay in Indonesia.
看到這個我又有衝動打開我的Hmmsim 2了，銀座線東西線滿滿的回憶殺
月台不夠長加上語言不通還突然停電有夠刺激
We barely got power outage like comeone. We're the biggest city in south east asia. Power outage means loss of millions of Dollars
I never had Experience a problem with electrical..
Trains and stations in Indonesia are very clean. We adopt Japanese railways system.
@@arjunraj823 Did you read my comment carefully? I don't compare to Japan. We ADOPT Japanese railway system. You must be from India. Your country sucks! Shit everywhere.
@@arjunraj823 Crying baby Pajeet😆
@@arjunraj823 way better than India to compare with
@@arjunraj823indonesia has hsr tho 😅
@@arjunraj823 at least in general train and stations in Indonesia are clean, comfortable, all have AC, all passanger have seat, the toilet are clean as well, even in the countryside the stations looks well maintained. We have already revolutionized the citizen mentality in short period of time (only in 3 years, it's pretty much like Bangladesh back then), now no more roof surfer, no more illegal passanger, no more illegal food sellers in the train, no more stinky animal, etc.
It's already huge achievement for us.
Revolutioning people mentality are harder but often overlooked.
A country can build this and that, but often they barely maintaining it, so sometimes it's look dirty, not well maintained.
I hope we can extend the hsr line and metro gradually.
Arigatou gozaimasu ( terimakasih ) sudah melakukan review kereta indonesia. Mulai dari kepemimpinan bapak ignasius jonan yang mampu merubah kerta indonesia menjadi lebih maju dan modern dan tentunya bersih 😊
Ini reviewer nya chinese/taiwanese wkwk
Ini Taiwan/Chinese woilah 😁
Wkwk
211系的傳動系統與205系基本上相同，一樣用MT61，亦同樣是「界磁添加勵磁制御」，只有傳動比不同
而E217系的傳動系統亦非原來那套，已更新為IGBT
因此JR東可考慮把高崎、長野、松本的211系，跟E217系交換傳動系統
把211系魔改為IGBT繼續服役，而賣到印尼的E217系則配備跟205基本上相同的傳動方式，方便印尼方面維修
（如果三地的211系不足，可以向小氣東海買入退役的211系，作為魔改的零件車使用）
或者直接把211賣給印尼也可以
小氣東海就是不賣
之前在ig 上有看到大量JR205系電聯車退役之後都往印尼那邊送，所以現在在印尼可以常看到JR 205系
除此之外，JR 103系電聯車、東急不鏽鋼系列電聯車也可在印尼看到。不過103可能已經退役了
我記得當初有送西日本
在大阪環狀線還有看過
103系很早就沒了
甚至還有東京營團地下鐵東西線05系
15:55 sangat ramah suaranya🤣
renyah sekali
Kearifan lokal 😅
@@aimusicofficial3658 gausah provokatif
這月台的高度 🙈
這高鋒時期感覺還好, 暑假不小心在東京碰上高鋒時間, 親身見證了怎塞人入車廂 😅
Japanese second-hand trains are very well-maintained and comfortable.
Its definitely a good upgrade for us Indonesian commuter.😊
基本上只要換馬達就可以再用很久了！
Un comentario salvaje en español ha aparecido.
Fuera de broma, excelente reporte de los ferrocarriles de Jakarta. Saludos.
The Tokyo metro 05 and 6000 series always gave me a strong heisei era nostalgic vibes for some reason, they're always be my favorite train
台湾の鉄道系UA-camrがインドネシアで使われている日本の中古電車を紹介する、国際色豊かな動画。
Mr. Worldwide
12:47車尾直接超出警衝標，這樣也給停車。然後沒有出什麼大事情.....這在北捷跟台鐵應該被幹到飛起來。
在日本直接被出門
私鐵就不知了
Good review, thanks.
Sekarang mau malam jam berapapun stasiun Kampung bandan jadi aman dan menjadi terawat, sampai jalur Jakarta Kota ke tanjung priok aktif lagi
不知道雅加達未來會不會連駅スタンプ也一起抄進去😂😂
月台還有鐵梯上下車，真的😂
Cause Indonesian are very short anyway 😭
Terimakasih sudah berkunjung di Jakarta, Indonesia ^^
Belum pernah mengalami padam listrik di Jakarta kecuali Black out dan itu mungkin sedang ada trouble dan stasiun2 di Jakarta biasanya aman2 saja tidak terjadi pemadaman listrik
Tidak, itu hanya di stasiun kampung Bandan saja biasanya karena konsleting listrik. Circuit break itu lokal. Ini bagian safety. Tapi memang berarti ada yang harus diperbaiki, apalagi saat musim hujan.
If you ride 05-108f, you can heard the electric underground horn from tozai line, i think underground horn from 110f has been dismantled.
as an Indonesia railfans
indonesia use japanese electric trains.....
yeah well you can ask the official KAI channel to ask this
Theyre turning manggarai into a hige mixed use transit oriented with multiple options central station
You should have tried to use the commuter line on work day, on work travel hour (8 AM).
There, you will encounter the real face of public transportation in Jakarta. (and even then they had improved it, so)
That's why we filmed it on Sunday, we know about the situation in rush hour.
感謝介紹,
尤其雅加達舊城似乎也是印尼政府要打造成旅遊中心的樣子, 設備燈光動線整潔, 都有向先進國家學習的樣子.
雅加達也像是經濟起飛時期該有的樣子, 建設很拼, 電力吃緊, 狀況百出, 列車的準點率也還不行.
車站硬體對不上列車也是另一個爆點, 動不動就是列車比月台長的情況, 或是要架樓梯讓矮月台比較方便上車.
北美的傳統鐵路, 其客運也多半是低月台, 因此客車會把樓梯做低一些, 甚至有內建電動梯.
(想像成是自備登機梯的飛機, 變成列車用的版本.)
包括C路權鐵路, 上車梯也是特別設計過的.
中間還嚴重乳滑, 我相信地上會出現一堆碎玻璃了.
中國車的爛, 連牠的鵝爹都知道.
在俄國侵略戰爭開始後, 歐美日韓車商集體退出俄國, 中國車順勢填補其"市場", 結果俄國用戶的客訴爆棚.
特別是車輛用料差, 很容易被鹽腐蝕(馬路上會灑鹽避免積雪, 溫寒帶國家皆如此.),
其次是車輛密封水準跟隔音也不行, 在俄國冬天, 車窗緊閉後寒風還是會從縫隙吹進來.
三者就是撞測, 在各地撞測中, 幾乎包了最爛成績.
應該是女生拍的, 所以進女性專用車比較沒壓力.
後半段的狀況連發真是太刺激了..
@@hitman6293 粉紅管很大喔?
你誰? 敢擅自代表中南海和政治局的意見? 還是你比雙馬還有錢, 買下油管了?
この車両は速さ的に日本の元車両ですね。こんなのがどこかで運行しているとなると日本の車齢は長寿ですね。
4:20這列車車輪失圓的聲音就跟台鐵很像🤣，4:32車長的行車規範也跟日本一樣在列車進出站時需要探頭確認月台安全並都須戴白手套值勤，不知道為何同樣是日系出來的台鐵會廢掉這項規則跟廢掉戴白手套的規定，好奇日本的車輛能直接給台鐵用嗎?我認為當初EMU900最好的選擇是新造的E233系或是E235系，能加減邊運用靈活還有台鐵區間跟區間快很需要的綠車配置，只是機電可能要改一下讓運轉時速能上130，就跟EMU900一樣設計最高速140然後運轉最高速130
台鐵的電源規格太特殊了(25KV交流), 所以沒辦法跟日本買中古車來用, 電系都要重新設計過(日本是20KV交流或15KV直流)
我記得小時候好像在吵EMU400車輛不足的那陣子在報紙上看過有議員還是國代有提過買中古車的事情, 也是電源規格無法通用而沒成案
反正整個很可惜啦, 軟硬體都幾乎跟日本一樣了就是那個電的問題
@@tsukisiro 更早之前台鐵也有考慮要買日本的無動力客車來用，但後來擋掉蓋成唐榮自製
@@turtle__e 日本的無動力客車大概就剩藍皮對號快車那種的舊型客列, 日本自己很早以前就已經拆的差不多了, 要的話只剩長途寢台車附掛的那種, 台鐵買進來的話大概又會被嫌太破舊沒面子...
其實日本在戰後就已經積極發展動力分散式車種, 台鐵大概是因為美援系統的關係所以在EMU400之前的幾十年間都還是電頭柴頭拖車廂在跑
我個人是覺得台鐵可能以前錯過了把電源系統整個打掉重鍊的機會, 所以至今只能用貴貴的價格去特製25KV交流這種奇葩規格的車, 就是個錢坑
@@tsukisiro 原來如此，感謝你的詳細解釋🙏，那假如更改機電系統呢？例如買新造的E233系時本體還是用E233系然後把機電跟電系更改一下，或是買二手車更改一下機電跟電系？
不符成本, 表面上看起來可能換幾個底盤的控制箱, 儀表板挖掉換成台鐵通用型就好, 但其實牽一髮動全身, 台灣也無法自己生產關鍵零件所以也不能跟日本一樣搞大規模的魔改造,
可能光是電腦重寫就可以耗上大量的人力物力了, 這狀態之下加上車子的剩餘壽命, 買新的還比較划算
太魯閣號就是885系車身裝台規電系來的例子, 還有一個原因是日本不太可能把他們最新車款同步賣給我們(E2新幹線車子賣給對面就被抄去搞出CRH380A了)
太魯閣號後來也是因為885系模具退役了沒辦法繼續增購才又弄了普悠瑪號, 當然這其中關係到台灣的採購法規, 水也很深所以事情沒那麼簡單
要不是以上諸多原因不然我真的認為以前在中央線跑的E257系其實最適合拿來當自強號這一車種, 外觀方正帥氣, 漆成米白茶色甚至警戒色也很高雅
Mantap Kang 😎
20:27 バタビアになる前に修正。 この都市はジャヤカルタと呼ばれます。 そしてジャヤカルタになる前、この都市はスンダ・ケラパと呼ばれていました。 そしてスンダ市のケラパは西暦 400 年に設立されました。
koreksi sebelum menjadi Batavia . kota ini bernama Jayakarta . dan sebelum menjadi Jayakarta kota ini bernama Sunda kelapa. dan kota Sunda kelapa didirikan pada tahun 400 masehi
Kaga ada yg nanya
Currently The inka are in collaboration between j-trec, new car will introduced in 2025(inka x j-trec), for interim however.. we want buy new 3ts from japan..(this is another program)but what making me concern is.. KAI is really have a long time choosing what's need to be imported... I myself don't have such a problem if just imported the e235(without modifying it), but maybe kai have some specifications..
But what i meant is.. they promise to make it fast.., as when i thought its already settled (importing japan ts), i was slapped by the fact that KAI still not made up their mind, they're still choosing what's more benefits them(last time i heard they opened tender again), in the bottom of my heart i was hoping they're pretending to open tender again but already have the contract winner and already in production silencely without another competitors even knowing.., but what if its not then.., there's no point calling it an interim new trainset if its arrive here in 2025..(coz it will be arrive here while inka x j-trec product are introduced in the same time..), we need to be a sarden in can for one more year.., i know most competitors have amazingly fast time build so it can arrive here near october or something before 2025, but still if it arrives in 2025 there's no point calling it an interim..,
another hope is i want that retrofit train is not taking too long to be re conditioned, atleast 7 months for the 1 or 2 first ts
Well as I thought... *sigh* crrc win..
This is not even surprising anymore.., hsr is already choosing china so I thought that our krl commuter line would just stick with Japan but In the end.. *I'm just gonna rest my eyes*
I hope Inka developed well..
酷ㄟ
Awesome video and report!
Corection: Jakarta is no longer as the worst traffic since few years ago. Jakarta has fall into 20-30 ranks.
Yeah Absolutely agree 👍
全新日本製的列車，品質優穩定耐用，但缺點就是貴，哈哈哈，尤其日本人有一個特性。二手車可撐一段時間，後續維修保養很重要，包含零件取得和費用⋯⋯等問題。
月台高度，跟車輛地板高度很難配合，各國列車高度不一，尤其買二手車，除非買新車特別量身訂製打造。
日本人不會強求你買他們的東西，要就買，嫌貴不買就算了，他們就是有實力。
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10:16 沒有引入営団06系
- There are actually ads on the KRL (the Commuter Train), but the ads space is not always occupied.
- I didn't know about the Japan and Indonesia number before! A very interesting fact.
- It is true that the schedule is not set in stone; like everything time in Jakarta (and Indonesia in general), the time stretches :)
- INKA's built car for LRT Jakarta system is notoriously problematic!
Hi..
Good to see you
Nice Trip and Video
God bless you..
It’s interesting to see the history of these trains I took everyday! XD love from indonesia ❤❤
看到印尼人假日在廣場席地而做不意外....有點擔心公共安全...不小心來一個阿喇花瓜...不敢想像
15:09 月台可以辦合唱團大匯演耶
乗りに行きたい！
Thanks for the reviews "KRL" In Indonesia I appreciate it
They are going to retrofit TM05 to INKA, i was hoping if we could see new train, but it got rejected by the government. They said we should retrofit TM05 instead
24:51 "at that moment, a tragedy occured. rear carriages are out of platform" 😂😂😂😂 it's actually quite happening a lot of time in KRL in jakarta. because sometimes the stations isnt that large, so the platform too is short. thats why usually the conductor would announce it on speaker for the passanger to move to ths front carriages if they want to leave the train
nice, also thanks for the political view so me, at least, got a PoV from the outsider. I think Japan-China problem also happened to Jakarta-Bandung bullet train a.k.a Whoosh. if I remember correctly, the planning was happened with Japanese but the construction happened under Chinese
I like your video record in my country
我們柴聯也可以賣他們啊～😂😂
是不是賣過泰國
银白色的営団車真是太新鲜了，上车居然还要上台阶😂
運戰車的需求？
omg 0:06 it been year since i saw that station
13:19 月台與車廂地板的高度有點跨張，輪椅族就算了，老人家有點不方便
Yep, some of the stations in Indonesia are European style, made by the Dutch, which makes platform short. And we bought a Japanese train🤣
Well that because Indonesian railway are mix with other country
Like Japan, Dutch, a bit of USA, etc.
We can't customize the height of the used cars to be compatible with our spec. Newly built cars ordered have no issue on this matter.
Tidak apa karena di Indonesia hidup bersama saling membantu jika ada lansia atau disabilitas walau tidak saling mengenal... 😂😂😂
Disini tidak saling mengenal mungkin anda akan merasa seperti keluarga
其實除了中國做梗外
印尼總統本身及所屬的派系是更微妙的存在
他們之前拒絕日本二手車的理由是說“我們要國車國造，拒用外國貨”
@@JosephChou-z7tJR東可以與INKA合作，把211系的機電零件及E217系的車體賣到印尼（E217系機電零件留在日本，裝到211系上），再由INKA組裝成「新車」供KAIC使用，或者是一個解決方法
@@JosephChou-z7t 也不能說完全沒有
據CNN Indonesia報導，中國駐印尼大使館曾就採購新造通勤電車一事多次向各部會表達關切，並以雅加達-萬隆高鐵債務為要脅，要求中央政府不得採購日本產品，應以中國製為優先。
indonesia tetep membeli kereta buatan jepang yang baru saat ini pemerintah indonesia memesan nya itu fakta
Actually, why Indonesia no longer wants to import used Japanese trains is because according to the Indonesian government the price is too expensive and it is better to buy new trains.That's why the Indonesian government is now ordering locally made trains. Until now, the Indonesian government is still collaborating with the Japanese in building the metro line in Jakarta.
@@LinRail CNN说的最多只能信一半，印尼和中国配合采购和采购预案全都是标准铁路列车或者高铁，几乎没有触及到通勤列车，因为中国国内的通勤列车（地铁）标准几乎不能适应标准轨道，而是自成一套体系（ABCD级车），要重新给别的国家定制一种适应当地线网的车非常麻烦，不出意料的采购价格会非常高，所以几乎不可能出口到印尼
月台和列車的落差超級無敵大...不會出事嗎
這種還好，主要是給通勤站用的，不是城際列車
日本的也是這樣
特別是東海地區
我錯了 原來那麼誇張
原來如此，感謝各位長知識了
因為是用於通勤所以對於無障礙就稍微能放寬的感覺？
重點眼睛要看～不至於這麼笨😂
As far as i know it was because Jakarta land is sinking move down or slide a few centimeters
Salam kenal
Dari Palembang 🙏🏾🙏🏾
那不就是1985年的国鉄205系嗎
yes, this is JR 205 from Japanese(Nihon)
Ya. Indonesia selalu membeli barang bekas yang sudah kadaluarsa.n
@@giveaway999 what's the problem, it fits their need
@@giveaway999 🤣🤣🤣 ...
好像從琦京線來的
好酷
So Indonesian rail officials are a bunch of JDM collectors 😉
Nice 👍👍😎
Dua negara maju berebut pengaruh di Indonesia, tanpa mereka sadari bahwa Indonesia meniru teknologi mereka
總覺得日本退役的老車看起來加減速能力還比台鐵的新車強。
其實早期的車制韌都很小
那是因為印尼沒有台鐵ATP加上二戰水準長度的閉塞導致這種錯覺
沒ATP出站可以拉到最高吧
因為台灣都開的真的很溫柔
@@TimChu-n8i 他們就怕西日本早期那種日勤教育
希望印尼政府還是可以繼續跟日本買車
saat ini pemerintah telah membeli KRL baru dari jepang tidak lagi membeli yang bekas
@@isalzias8355Thank You~
As an Indonesian , it would be wise that Japanese firms and INKA ( Like Staedler of Switzerland) , jointly built a train manufacturing plant and MRO facility for future replacements of the older train ( like you do for the ICE cars and bikes) . Yes China , South Korea, Germany , France, Canada are very eager to get a piece of the action in rail based transportation from HSR, MRT, LRT, Monorail, Trams , Commuter and logistic lines...and yes China is the most aggressive...I do hope Japan is " sensitive" enough to know our aspiration as well. We handed Japan for MRT phase 1, 2 and 3 for greater Jakarta as well as future Surabaya MRT. Our capital is moving from Jakarta to Nusantara , East Borneo this coming August 2024. It high tme for Japan to take actions if they do not want to overtaken by China and others. 🙏✌️👍 PS even Japanese JPop artists are still popular here such as Yoasobi , Fujii Kaze etc against non stop bombardments of Kpop 😂😂😂😂
Akan membeli yang penting mobilnya tidak cacat produk...
新造205？
感覺跟日東拿仙石、日光和南武的205好像不錯？
不過要拉下臉回頭求日方就是w
我来自印度尼西亚 。 衷心感谢所有在印度尼西亚尝试交通的人。 希望印尼交通能越来越好😁
看看他們 想想台鐵真的要加油 哪天搞不好對方的都會區通勤鐵路就遠勝台灣了
台灣政府表示:再遠的通勤路線我們都要用都是站站停的捷運來蓋
@@sean53337 這無解，台灣搞到城鄉差距太小了
@@opelisc2000 除了
東部
Most rural areas don't event have commuter line, so.
This is Ex-Mushasino Line
JR is Japan Railways😭
Tempatnya kaya ga asing ning
Maybe if Japan allows transfer of knowledge/technology to the Indonesian technician and provide us with the spare parts needed, we may be able to do the maintenance without cannibalizing other units and keep the trains available for longer time. If Japanese allow us to make spare parts here in Indonesia and make factory here, it would be really much appreciated.
Di negaraku memang penumpang kereta atau moda transportasi umum selalu penuh.. Dimanapun 🙏🙏
Thank you Jepang saya berharap Jepang bisa berinvestasi lebih banyak lagi selain moda transportasi di Indonesia
(11:29)假使如此，通勤電車究竟會是什麼樣子🤔？
That's right, Indonesia is planning to purchase 3 trainsets from China, retrofit 19 used Japanese trainsets and make 14 trainsets from local manufacturers which will operate in early 2025
Beberapa tahun ke depan kereta buatan jepang akan hilang digantikan oleh kereta buatan China yg desain nya bagus dan modern.
next year is 2025, what do you mean?
13:40 common sense of not wanting to get hit by a train will keep us safe. and we have the same rate of "single individual commuter line incident" as Japan, so 😜
ps.: better safety would lead to faster and more smooth train entry into the station, instead. so yeah that's actually the real price.
The government of Indonesia is providing services for its people. I think the Indonesian government is doing great. Never mind the source of trains. Compare to some in the developed countries these trains are better.
Here we are happy with used items from Japan and the west particularly since Indonesians perhaps are not worth deserving anything new in the eyes of our leaders. But, at least we still have the goods 😅. Thank you dear government, we love used trains, used buses, used planes and used fighter jets 🎉.
gak tau kenapa gw nonton sampai habis 😄
Karena kecintaan lu kepada negara, karena dari kecil anak2 indo di cekokin sugesti cinta negara dan pahlawan, bagus dan ada buruknya jg, jika sedikit disenggol orang luar tempramental penuh emosi, ini liputan dr media luar pasti sangat antusias jika menonton
Next, KAI Commuterline trainset ( JR Metro in Japan ), will use domestic product by PT lNKA ( lndonesian Railways lndustry ).
KAI order 16 new trainset ( 16 x 12 wagon ) & operational at 2026.
At the momment, before come new trainset from lNKA, KAl import from Japan, 3 trainset ( 3 x 12 wagon ).
Thank you for Japan. ///// 👍👍
驾驶室前挡风是换过吗，看着好小啊
13:00 or you can teach us. train import is one big issue that often get talked at the legislation. because Indonesia has this rather-dumb-and-wishful Tingkat Komponen Dalam Negeri (Domestically-made Components Rate) rule.
I know our local company themselves are trying to make something similar to 205... but it's not as reliable and takes longer (and in general more expensive) than 205 yet.
So yeah, help will be very appreciated.
We can just find a way for us to benefit you, too, by teaching us.