You can speed up the basic plug-in trickle charger by installing a 15amp socket. It is a viable option for home charging at a fraction of the cost of installing a 7kw home charging unit (single phase)
Thankfully being retired, I don’t need a fast charger. I also have a 10kWh solar system. Sadly no battery, so only daylight charging. My solar system paid for itself over 4 years ago. It’s public charging, that always stresses me out. Haven’t had to do it yet, but have done it twice at the new BP when it was free to give it a go. Also tried to in Geraldine just to give it ago. Anyone watching would have peed their pants watching, a bloody nightmare. But! I got it done. I did find the help line, very, very helpful. 😚. Couldn’t find ‘a better route planner’.
Had a cringe when I saw the Tritium hardware amazed it was actually working. I charge my new 2024 Kona EV on a 15A outlet and charger and get about 3.3kW and is fine for my needs, my previous EV just used the included granny charger on 10A being a 28kWh Ioniq was fully charged when I went to my garage in the morning. Unfortunately being a renter I don't have solar and doubt the owners will put it on not unless they are forced to by regulations. Always love your videos Gav. :)
Ive done 146,000 of home charging feom a 16 amp caravan outlet and 16 amp charger purchased for $150 from Amazon. I have never needed to move up to 7 kwh. 3 kwh is the sweet spot for me.
@kiwiEVadventures Hey Gav Can you either add to this video or do a seperate one on troubleshooting? The number of times I have had to help people start a charge (Usually because they took too long to plug in) or had to assist in disconnecting the cable after charging shows there are still newbies who need so guidance. Keep up the great work.
Have solar and the Evnex charger and happy with both. It always surprises me when non EV drivers comment on the slow charging when the reality is most charging is done at home overnight. Sure a road trip is different but how often do you drive more than 400kms a day (standard range how with most EV cars)
Apparently someone did a cross USA trip and charged between 10-50% only and saved a load of time on the journey compared with charging to 80%. Bit more planning and/or charger being occupied anxiety but took advantage of the fact that even 20-50% is much faster than 50-80%. Sorry, I sont have link
Just a suggestion at 4:02. While it's true that CHAdeMO is older - predating CCS by a few years (2010 vs 2013) it's not really the age of the plug that matters. CHAdeMO is the standard DC fast charging port in Japan, so pretty much every Japanese import EV with fast charging will use CHAdeMO (as well as a few locally sold cars like the Leaf or Outlander PHEV). Type 2 CCS is the NZ and European standard fast charging connection however, so almost all EVs sold here (or imported from the UK) will have a CCS connection for fast charging.
Yeah, I simplified a lot of stuff in this video as it's tailored to potential EV buyers who probably won't care about plug history etc. Another example which I heavily simplified is when I point to the charger but it's actually the EVSE. I thought about explaining the difference but suspected the average EV newcomer won't care; they'll just want to know which fits! 😀 Here's hoping this video puts a few fears to rest and encourages more EV adoption. All the best to you mate and have a wicked weekend! -Gav
To be fair the portable charger shown in the video at up to 50 seconds is our old model. We now have a portable 2kw charger. Still a bit slow though.. Great video Gavin. You might have a career in this…
I agree (though for me it's at 0:40). The Nissan Leaf being used for demonstration is using the Type 1 J-1772. Surely just about everything else uses the Type 2.
Sad that Ecotricity does not have the same deal with ChargeNet as Genesis has where we can use the chargers in our EV6 and pay the same rate as what we pay at home especially after 9pm where in our case its just 15 cents per kwh even using the 300kw ChargeNet chargers that our EV can take advantage of!
It's also common courtesy to stop fast DC charging at 80%, given how long it takes to charge to 100. Of course, if there are spare stalls, or no one is waiting, go for your life!
Apart from the up front costs of buying and installing the panels, and basic maintenance keeping them clean and functioning etc there is no other charge. the power company has a small fee to manage the power, but they rebate money for the amount you add back to the grid, so its basically a none thing.
As a solar owner I know where you're coming from. While the electricity generated from your PV (solar) has no cost to you apart from the capex of the installation that generated electricity has a value to you when you export (sell) it to the grid. By using it to charge your EV you lose the value equivalent to what you would otherwise be selling it for which for an Ecotricity customer is typically around half of the cost per kWh of importing it from the grid.
I got in when Octopus was extremely generous. We currently still pay zero daily fixed charge and still get 17 cents per kwh buyback while also paying 17 cents for our night rate power. So, around $20 per month on average based on the entire year ( 3 people, 250sqm house, Christchurch)
It can not, but I guess some people work at night time, so for them, as long as no clouds will charge off some solar as unless you have a very big solar array and minimum 7kw inverter then you will still be using some expensive power charging during the day. Our solar buyback is the same as our night rate power, so it's the same price to charge at night.
It doesn't have to exclusively use solar, but it can if you want it to. We have a Zappi with similar functionality. We mostly charge on weekends and the odd day when I work from home, so we get the double advantage of using all our solar when charging, plus if we;re charging at a faster rate than our solar is supplying, we get a cheap grid rate 9am - 3pm.
"How long do you spend charging your car?" is another way ICE drivers like to phrase that question. To which the answer is "About 10 seconds to plug it in and then I'm doing something else..." The Tesla Semi launch event showed that a truck driver might spend 10-20 minutes standing at the pump filling the tanks, whilst the eHGV driver is already on their break as their truck sorts itself out...
@@AHD2105 Nowhere near as much as you think - iron ore and oil are all extracted in much higher amounts. Also, 44-tonne HGVs drive on our roads, and the 10 heaviest SUVs on sale here are diesels. Moving on...
Doesn't matter how many times you tell some people that it takes less of your time to charge a ev than a ice, providing you have home charging, they just never hear it. One minute a week at most with the ev. 10 to 30 minutes a week with my old fossil. You don't stand next to the ev while it's charging in your garage you go inside and complete your normal over night routine.
Tou should be made to pay for all the tar seal and bitumen needed to fill all the potholes EVs cause. Not to forget the 250,000tons of Earth's crust that needs to be mined just for one standard EV car! Too early for battery powered cars. Fools like you only make our environment worse and support foreign interests.
Its too early for EVs. When these cars will be outdated every 4 years due to technology upgrades. BUT currently 250,000KGS of the earths crust is mined for one EV. And dont forget we now need to use far more bitumen and tar seal for all those potholes. These old batteries will be tomorrows disaster. Cant wait for the new safer and Eco friendly batteries. This guy is going to look silly in the future😂
@@Yamaharoy You can just Google it. More details in different reports. Also most EVs outdate after about 5 years due to safety software upgrades thay like mobile phones can't upgrade any further. Id say these EVs today will be banned when small light weight, safer batteries are commercialised. Too heavy, too dangerous especially in enclosed places if fire like underground carparks, the gases can be fatel. Be good when new ones come out. But I'm rhe meantime, owwrs should be charged for all the extra bitumen and tar seal needed.
Cheaper off peak rates, yes, for now... but what happens when due to EV uptake, overnight cheap off peak now becomes peak rate. I'm waiting for fast solar charging to a cheap home battery for direct DC charging. Alas, at my age, probably won't see it.
You can save capex expenditure by going with a basic EVSE like a Tesla one or you can buy a better spec'd one like an Evnex that can use only your own solar generation and save money during the life of the device.
Yeah, I think 7 years is about break even. We pay $20 per month on average based over the entire year.(3 people, 250sqm house) of course, we are extremely lucky as we pay zero daily fixed charge, and our solar buy back is the same rate as our night rate power.
@@mumecomumecomumoh look someone without solar telling me my solar isn’t worth it. It’s like a vegan telling me how to cook the perfect steak. #clueless 😂
You can speed up the basic plug-in trickle charger by installing a 15amp socket. It is a viable option for home charging at a fraction of the cost of installing a 7kw home charging unit (single phase)
If you need to buy a 15A charger I'd think about the difference between that and a 32A socket or charger.
Thankfully being retired, I don’t need a fast charger. I also have a 10kWh solar system. Sadly no battery, so only daylight charging. My solar system paid for itself over 4 years ago. It’s public charging, that always stresses me out. Haven’t had to do it yet, but have done it twice at the new BP when it was free to give it a go. Also tried to in Geraldine just to give it ago. Anyone watching would have peed their pants watching, a bloody nightmare. But! I got it done. I did find the help line, very, very helpful. 😚. Couldn’t find ‘a better route planner’.
Had a cringe when I saw the Tritium hardware amazed it was actually working. I charge my new 2024 Kona EV on a 15A outlet and charger and get about 3.3kW and is fine for my needs, my previous EV just used the included granny charger on 10A being a 28kWh Ioniq was fully charged when I went to my garage in the morning. Unfortunately being a renter I don't have solar and doubt the owners will put it on not unless they are forced to by regulations. Always love your videos Gav. :)
Ive done 146,000 of home charging feom a 16 amp caravan outlet and 16 amp charger purchased for $150 from Amazon. I have never needed to move up to 7 kwh. 3 kwh is the sweet spot for me.
@kiwiEVadventures
Hey Gav
Can you either add to this video or do a seperate one on troubleshooting?
The number of times I have had to help people start a charge (Usually because they took too long to plug in) or had to assist in disconnecting the cable after charging shows there are still newbies who need so guidance.
Keep up the great work.
Great content as always, Garven!
Nice video and that EQE SUV! 🤩
Nice video!
Thank you, Garven! 😂
Have solar and the Evnex charger and happy with both. It always surprises me when non EV drivers comment on the slow charging when the reality is most charging is done at home overnight. Sure a road trip is different but how often do you drive more than 400kms a day (standard range how with most EV cars)
Good information. Thanks!
Apparently someone did a cross USA trip and charged between 10-50% only and saved a load of time on the journey compared with charging to 80%. Bit more planning and/or charger being occupied anxiety but took advantage of the fact that even 20-50% is much faster than 50-80%.
Sorry, I sont have link
Great Content. Amazing Work.
And here I am rubbing my sock feet on the carpet to get enough static charge to fill the battery!!! :P
I’m using a 15amp outlet which is a bit faster than a normal one.
Just a suggestion at 4:02. While it's true that CHAdeMO is older - predating CCS by a few years (2010 vs 2013) it's not really the age of the plug that matters.
CHAdeMO is the standard DC fast charging port in Japan, so pretty much every Japanese import EV with fast charging will use CHAdeMO (as well as a few locally sold cars like the Leaf or Outlander PHEV).
Type 2 CCS is the NZ and European standard fast charging connection however, so almost all EVs sold here (or imported from the UK) will have a CCS connection for fast charging.
Yeah, I simplified a lot of stuff in this video as it's tailored to potential EV buyers who probably won't care about plug history etc. Another example which I heavily simplified is when I point to the charger but it's actually the EVSE. I thought about explaining the difference but suspected the average EV newcomer won't care; they'll just want to know which fits! 😀 Here's hoping this video puts a few fears to rest and encourages more EV adoption. All the best to you mate and have a wicked weekend! -Gav
@@EcotricityNZ You're doing top work Gav!
Thank you
I think your graphic at 0:44 regarding home charging plugs is reversed…
To be fair the portable charger shown in the video at up to 50 seconds is our old model. We now have a portable 2kw charger. Still a bit slow though.. Great video Gavin. You might have a career in this…
I agree (though for me it's at 0:40). The Nissan Leaf being used for demonstration is using the Type 1 J-1772. Surely just about everything else uses the Type 2.
Sad that Ecotricity does not have the same deal with ChargeNet as Genesis has where we can use the chargers in our EV6 and pay the same rate as what we pay at home especially after 9pm where in our case its just 15 cents per kwh even using the 300kw ChargeNet chargers that our EV can take advantage of!
It's also common courtesy to stop fast DC charging at 80%, given how long it takes to charge to 100. Of course, if there are spare stalls, or no one is waiting, go for your life!
My leaf charges in 2-3 hours not 2 days at home
Should PHEV's use the fast chargers? Especially when a BEV is waiting to charge and the PHEV wants to go to 100% and they are so slow.
Yes. First come first served.
Is solar charging really “free” in NZ? No feed in tariffs forgone?
Great entertaining vid as always. Cheers
Apart from the up front costs of buying and installing the panels, and basic maintenance keeping them clean and functioning etc there is no other charge. the power company has a small fee to manage the power, but they rebate money for the amount you add back to the grid, so its basically a none thing.
Excellent....
As a solar owner I know where you're coming from. While the electricity generated from your PV (solar) has no cost to you apart from the capex of the installation that generated electricity has a value to you when you export (sell) it to the grid. By using it to charge your EV you lose the value equivalent to what you would otherwise be selling it for which for an Ecotricity customer is typically around half of the cost per kWh of importing it from the grid.
I got in when Octopus was extremely generous. We currently still pay zero daily fixed charge and still get 17 cents per kwh buyback while also paying 17 cents for our night rate power. So, around $20 per month on average based on the entire year ( 3 people, 250sqm house, Christchurch)
So, the unit that uses solar. My car is at work during the day and in the garage at night. So it works how?
It can not, but I guess some people work at night time, so for them, as long as no clouds will charge off some solar as unless you have a very big solar array and minimum 7kw inverter then you will still be using some expensive power charging during the day. Our solar buyback is the same as our night rate power, so it's the same price to charge at night.
Some people have weekends too
It doesn't have to exclusively use solar, but it can if you want it to. We have a Zappi with similar functionality. We mostly charge on weekends and the odd day when I work from home, so we get the double advantage of using all our solar when charging, plus if we;re charging at a faster rate than our solar is supplying, we get a cheap grid rate 9am - 3pm.
Graven deletes what he doesnt like 😂
Criticism is welcome, but insults & trolling is removed to keep the viewer experience enjoyable for all. ☺️
"How long do you spend charging your car?" is another way ICE drivers like to phrase that question.
To which the answer is "About 10 seconds to plug it in and then I'm doing something else..."
The Tesla Semi launch event showed that a truck driver might spend 10-20 minutes standing at the pump filling the tanks, whilst the eHGV driver is already on their break as their truck sorts itself out...
@@AHD2105 Nowhere near as much as you think - iron ore and oil are all extracted in much higher amounts. Also, 44-tonne HGVs drive on our roads, and the 10 heaviest SUVs on sale here are diesels.
Moving on...
Doesn't matter how many times you tell some people that it takes less of your time to charge a ev than a ice, providing you have home charging, they just never hear it. One minute a week at most with the ev. 10 to 30 minutes a week with my old fossil. You don't stand next to the ev while it's charging in your garage you go inside and complete your normal over night routine.
Tou should be made to pay for all the tar seal and bitumen needed to fill all the potholes EVs cause. Not to forget the 250,000tons of Earth's crust that needs to be mined just for one standard EV car! Too early for battery powered cars. Fools like you only make our environment worse and support foreign interests.
Its too early for EVs. When these cars will be outdated every 4 years due to technology upgrades. BUT currently 250,000KGS of the earths crust is mined for one EV. And dont forget we now need to use far more bitumen and tar seal for all those potholes. These old batteries will be tomorrows disaster. Cant wait for the new safer and Eco friendly batteries. This guy is going to look silly in the future😂
Interesting. Where did you get those figures from?
@@Yamaharoy You can just Google it. More details in different reports. Also most EVs outdate after about 5 years due to safety software upgrades thay like mobile phones can't upgrade any further. Id say these EVs today will be banned when small light weight, safer batteries are commercialised. Too heavy, too dangerous especially in enclosed places if fire like underground carparks, the gases can be fatel. Be good when new ones come out. But I'm rhe meantime, owwrs should be charged for all the extra bitumen and tar seal needed.
Most EV batteries are recycled to be used again.
Nga Mihi nui
Cheaper off peak rates, yes, for now... but what happens when due to EV uptake, overnight cheap off peak now becomes peak rate. I'm waiting for fast solar charging to a cheap home battery for direct DC charging. Alas, at my age, probably won't see it.
Evnex is expensive go with the Tesla Wall charger save some of your hard earned money.
You can save capex expenditure by going with a basic EVSE like a Tesla one or you can buy a better spec'd one like an Evnex that can use only your own solar generation and save money during the life of the device.
@@HarmLessSolutionsNZ Breakeven on a fully solar set-up is still around 10-12 years, not worth getting solar yet.
@@mumecomumecomum Our 9kW PV system is heading for
Yeah, I think 7 years is about break even. We pay $20 per month on average based over the entire year.(3 people, 250sqm house) of course, we are extremely lucky as we pay zero daily fixed charge, and our solar buy back is the same rate as our night rate power.
@@mumecomumecomumoh look someone without solar telling me my solar isn’t worth it. It’s like a vegan telling me how to cook the perfect steak.
#clueless 😂