"Hollow Knight is a rushed game made on a shoe string budget."
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2022
- More insightful Graig Quotes here! • Silksong News from Tea...
The quotes in this Short will appear in part 2 of the Graig anthology, but I thought I'd show these early as they give quite the interesting look at Hollow Knight and Silksong when tied together. So while you wait for more quote, click the link above and see all the Silksong insights and Hollow Knight lore Graig has to offer!
And thank you again to @Windette for voicing Graig! - Ігри
More insightful Graig Quotes here! ua-cam.com/video/i7Hq-UNXl5o/v-deo.html
The quotes in this Short will appear in part 2 of the Graig anthology, but I thought I'd show these early as they give quite the interesting look at Hollow Knight and Silksong when tied together. So while you wait for more quote, click the link above and see all the Silksong insights and Hollow Knight lore Graig has to offer!
And thank you again to Windette for voicing Graig!
I think you should make a video about why a few of the hollow knight/pure vessel have similar moves to hornet which might imply that both of them were taught by the same person(I know it makes no sense but i assume esmy even though there is 1 mention of esmy in the game)
also blur my name if u r going to make a video about this
I knew I recognized that voice!
Windette?
Silksong is going to be the Tears of the Kingdom for hollow Knight
@@gregoryderyexcept even more different and improved
They followed good code design and could reuse assets all over the place. The coliseum is a bunch of enemies with the same AI as other enemies but with higher health pools. Other games get criticized for doing that, but Team Cherry knew the appropriate places to reuse things so it didn’t FEEL like it was all the same. Intelligent reuse of existing assets can make something far more expansive. Props to TC!
@Minh Nguyễn team Cherry proved they’re not just good developers, they’re clever developers too! If Silksong has even half the ingenuity that Hollow Knight has, it’ll still be one of my all time favorites!
I never thought that the colosseum was made with reused ai 💀
@@moonlit_ruffles a lot of it is the same ai as before. Think of all the enemies that are just stronger versions of older enemies. But you didn’t notice because in that instance, reused AI actually works! Most games it feels lazy, but the colosseum makes them feel like the same enemy, just put in armor. It’s actually really smart, since players think “it’s not reused AI, they just got an armor buff” when even the hunters journal lists them as separate enemies.
I barely noticed wow
@Minh Nguyễn imo that’s because the only difference with the base variants is the color of the enemies and the massively jnflated healthpools making it it a slog to even engage them past a certain point.
Also the fact that they spam the same 3 enemy types absolutely everywhere. They look good and act interestingly but the fact they’re 95% of the enemies you encounter is what gets people imo
Reminds me of how someone talked about "undertale was just toby fox learning how stuff worked and trying things out before he actually attempted the game he was planning to make(Deltarune)".
Its always wonderful and terrifying in the best way when an indie developer goes "oh, yeah thanks but before I got famous I didnt have much time to flesh things out. NOW I can actually work for real."
Such sheer god tier work from indie
I'd say they both same with deltarune being mildly better because better characters (Aka Queen, Lancer, Kris, BIG PURPLE DINO aka susie and ofc Ralsei? I forgot how to spell his name)
@@TheImmortalMushroom deltarune isn’t even closed to finish yet too
@@accountlol7409 I doubt Toby will go back to the chapters he already finished and overhaul them though
A lot of people don't like the snowgrave route for chapter 2, but for me, it just adds more play time. I hope toby adds more weird routes, or just some other route in later chapters. while deltarune already has some choices that come back, changing the course of the game is cool. if Undertale had only the neutral route, I'm not sure I would have played it after I beat it once, but the other routes add variety.
Team Cherry be like: You have only seen a fraction of my power!
Do you yield
@@incertnamehere the fandom
"I do not"
*_"This isn't even my final form!"_*
@@northernalpine4350 "this is only a fraction of my true power! You might have defeted the 1st phase but will you beat me at 25% of my power?"
The trailer I repeat *trailer* for silksong already looks so good I don’t even know what to say anymore
Worked on a game for 7 days a week over 12 hours a day for 2 years
Added as much content as possible with tightest budget
Added a Kickstarter goal that wasn’t even funded (colosseum if you’re wondering)
Didn’t delay the original release date
All this for just 15 bucks so the game would be accessible to everyone
Ladies and gentlemen, if you still don’t respect Team Cherry I don’t know what to tell you.
And all updates/DLC's are completely free
And they made one of the planned DLCs into an ENTIRELY NEW GAME
I borrowed the game first and after a lot of hours I suddenly realised I still hadnt bought it. Went to the steam store and saw it was 50% off... waited about a week for the sale to drop and paid full price, cause TC definitely deserved more than they asked for HK
@@theknight1573 could have bought it twice at half price tho...?
@@chonky_fox4067 omg why did I not think of that!? Then I couldve spread more love for the game as well. Okay I will remember this whenever another masterpiece comes along, thanks!
This is the first time I've heard someone call a game rushed on a shoestring budget as a compliment.
Same, I was worried that this video was gonna be someone hating on the game but I'm so glad it isn't!
@@dentedavocadoI don’t think I’ve ever come across someone that hates hollow knight
@@chscelebrity8325 you'd be surprised.
@@chscelebrity8325 Some people will confuse their rage at a hard game, for genuine hatred for it. They aren't good at it right away, so it's a bad game to them
@@Krawberry true
“3 people going at it hard”
Can we please not bring up my search history
*Inflated Hornet*
*Inflated Hornet*
oh my god
Threesome?
@@Significantharrassment huh
@@Significantharrassment LMAO
Wow, I can’t believe that hollow knight is just a rushed game made on a small budget compared to silksong, I was thinking silksong was gonna be similar to hollow knight but have different mechanics and story, but I think it’s gonna be far larger than I thought after hearing this from the lead play tester, I can’t wait to see what the game is like
Recently started playing hollow knight and I love it, just a perfect simple game
I think you'll be surprised how many of your favorite games have stories like this. I think it says more about the game industry in general than about how that kind of culture is good for creativity, though.
@@enderpro39it is simple tho. It has a high skill gap and ceiling but everything you need to do feels natural and you dont need to learn a bunch of shit just to start. Compare it to tcg‘s or the „usual“ video game where you literally feel lost because they bump too much information on you within the first 5 minutes
@@No__Vanitypretty sure hes talking about lore bro
@@guutenks2498 lore is far from siMple
* team cherry releases the best game ever made *
"but im not done yet!"
No but seriously. HK is probably the single best game I've ever played. Forget OoT and BotW, forget Super Metroid and Mega Man X and Mario Galaxy. Hollow Knight is the real deal.
@@BenjaminAnderson21 On god the only game I actually loved to finish, but also felt sad that I was done
"But your honour I'm not done!"
I can’t believe HK is a prototype and it’s this good
Imagine how good silksong will be of this is the case… 😩
😙🤌
@@maxleavitt9745 GTA 6 coming out before silksong does
@@justsomeguywithoutabeard8306 believe
@@justsomeguywithoutabeard8306irrelevant
what terrifies me is how this rushed game with low budget is one of the best games ever made and now they have both the budget and all time in the world to just shine their fullest potential. Without a doubt, this might be a nominee in game of the year in 20xx
It's gonna be one of the greatest games of all times probably. Its legend will echo throughout history
I have no doubt that silksong will be a game of the year contender, i don't know if it'll win (but it will deserve the win)
@@Irish_EndermanLet’s pray that another masterpiece like Elden Ring or Baldur’s Gate 3 doesn’t come along and shatter everyone’s hopes and dreams for an indie winner. (Because we know an indie will only get nominated if all the AAA releases suck, even if Silksong turns out to blow the competition out of the water.)
@volt42re it's a weird thing to say, but I get what you mean lol
But I think Silksong has a good chance, even if that does happen
@@volt42re
they seem to take as much time as possible, I don’t think a game would be bad anyway. With the award, yeah this could happen (remembering pizza tower and cocoon incident) but I think this game’s release would be such massive news, the outrage would not let it go without the award
I hope they hype train doesn’t ruin silksong. I want to enjoy silksong for the game it is, not just Hollow knight 2.0
That's easy, just don't jump on the hype train. Then buy the game and get blown away because you didn't have unreasonable expectations.
Why do you think they aren’t releasing a bunch of trailers for it. Can’t have expectations if you don’t know what to expect.
@@Cognazzo95that’s what you think
I'm loving this content crossover from two of my favorite UA-camrs! Also holy cow. Can't wait for Silksong!
*one eternity later...*
@@Jamseth_Ingramious nah its confirmed to be releasing fairly soon by the xbox thingie
@@gabrielbarron7667 I don't trust it
@@gabrielbarron7667 GUESS WHAT
@@gabrielbarron7667 YOU'VE CURSED US ALL!
They accidentally created the gold standard for metroidvanias.
I took a while after reading this and yk what, you're right.
if one of the best games ever made is a "prototype", i feel like silksong is going to be literally insane
Literally, Team Cherry just went:
“That is just a fraction of my power.”
I horrified at how good silksong will be if this isn't exaggerated
It's definitely exaggerated. But there's a good chance it's a better game than HK.
"You fool, this is not even my final form!"
The game itself is already a masterpiece, yet he said that it is "not that finished"? I mean even the original milestone where the Colosseum of Fools used to have its own "mystery" and the Abyss also used to have its own "expansion" contents. I guess we only see the fraction of it yet it is gorgeous already. Correct me if I misinterpret/misunderstood something.
He has stated that with the release of Godmaster DLC, Hollow Knight was virtually a finished product. If TC didn’t run out of money, I think they would’ve added a lot more content to the game
He's right. _I have no idea how much better Silksong is._
"If only you knew how bad things really were"
"If only you knew how good things could really be"
“If only you knew things
“If only you thing really knew bad how”
"If only things really were"
-Team
@@brockpianoMy humor is fucking broken.
I thought this would be some Twitter argument turned into a short, what I actually got was really informative. Keep it up!
Oh yeah Silk song is going to be amazing especially if they decide to put the profits from hollow Knight into it. Honestly it's pretty comforting you explain that takes about 5 years to make a game. I honestly didn't know that but it makes the wait more bearable. 😁
I mean.... for sure they’re putting HK’s profits into this. They even made a deal with Microsoft (for the game pass release)
The fact that HK was “rushed” is astounding to me, it feels like there was so much content that you think it couldn’t possible be rushed, and considering this and how long Sliksong has been in development I cannot wait for it to release
Probably more "rushed" in the sense they worked 6-7 days a week instead of just 3 days a week like Graig said.
have you ever been to the Hive?
Forgot this game even existed. This notification is the reason i am currently starting up my ps4 lmao
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Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
I love how two of the most popular indie games (undertale and HK) are shoestring games where the devs were just learning. And in their sequel games, they’re gonna show us what they’re truly capable of
So silksong will change reality cool
The reason it's taking so long to release is because it's so good that it's publication would be considered a violation of the natural order
"Oh you're a game, little ghost, just not a super one!"
"..."
"Presentation!" *does a kickflip*
You can tell what the Ghost is thinking.
"TF IS MY HALF-SISTER TALKING ABOUT?"
We were just playing a side character to Hornet's story in HK, it was supposed to be a DLC but real game is Silksong
Its interesting to hear about stuff like this. I got into hollow knight after its latest expansion and hadnt touched any info about it prior. I did always wonder what the game was like back when it first released. Theres surely a lot of QOL updates and charms that i couldnt imagine going without during my playthrough, but plenty of people before me were without them
6-7 days a week 12+ hours for 2 years is actually REALLY bad and I hope that their work/life balance improves because that is NOT something to be proud of.
I agree! I hope that part of the reason Silksong has taken twice as long as HK is just that they have a decent work pace now. They deserve to have lives.
We are getting back to the industrial age with this one 🗣️💥💥💥. But actually I hope they are working in good conditions and scheduling for silksong thats not only good for their health which is the important thing , but also a game made with dedication and in good conditions is better than a game rushed
I mean it really depends. They were close friends and they clearly had a huge passion for this game. To them it likely wasn't work in the same way we view it. Something closer to a passion project. When people continue to work on something past a releasable state despite having basically no money, they clearly enjoy what they're doing to a degree. It's certainly not super healthy, but it's not bad in the same way that working like that in your typical desk job is
@@universallyepicnarwhal9102 "It likely wasn't work in the same way we view it", making video games is extremely costly and hard. I have done passion projects before and I have also done well funded projects before. You don't work those crazy hours without extreme mental burnout and getting into a dark place in your state of mind. I've been that guy who does all the things and I've been the manager of the guys who do all the things. I cannot begin to describe the amount of tears that I have had to witness from my reports due to bad decisions made from e-level idiots. I have seen hospitalizations.
Sorry, I understand what you're trying to say but the apologist mindset for overworking yourself to death needs to go away.
Hollow Knight definitely has its shortcomings
*but not from this*
This is why Silksong will never come out. They didn't give themself a deadline, they tried to go off monetary constraints.
Hollow Knight has sold millions. They have so much money to work with.
I highly doubt that they’re literally gonna keep going until they run out of money. Not only would the game take a million years to release, but that would just be a poor money decision on the admittedly small chance that Silksong didn’t end up selling super amazingly
Hopefully they don't spend the money on cocaine to work harder 💀
Or may be they're just waiting Nintendo's new console to be released on
A group who will work until they run out of money. And now have all the money they need... We'll never see silksong
It's crazy how a couple people with a smaller budget can make a game like this, but then Ubisoft releases the, as they put it, first AAAA game (Skull & Bones) ever and the main looting mechanics are quick-time events.
“Just imagine what they could do with infinite funding and time!”
Covid-19:
I'll believe that when I ACTUALLY play Silksong
If this is the prototype, then imagine how GOATED Silksong is gonna be
Considering they had it nearly ready and then delayed it indefinitely, it’s probably not doing too hot
Team cherry really said “Tis but a fraction of our power.”
The movement is so great how there’s no “fatigue” when u switch directions and how swinging your nail does nothing to ur movement it’s so sick
Steady body user?
@@carldablob324 no but steady body is great for spamming lol
Yeah I guess we'll find out when my grandkids play Silksong
Wow, I feel like Hollow Knight is snappy and feels VERY well made. I know there are some bugs (lol) but the actual mechanics are very satisfying and well made.
Over a year later and we still have no idea how good Silk Song is.
hearing this makes me realise how INSANE silksong is going to be
If silksong isn’t a 11/10 their might be actual riots
Thanks, now I’m even _more_ desperate for silksong!
And yet after 4+ years, we still believe in them. You cannot rush masterpiece.
This "rushed game on a shoestring budget" is one of the greatest games I've every played. I'll wait however long it takes for silksong. I have 100% faith that team cherry will deliver far beyond our expectations
OK
7 years later and Silksong still isn't out.
That means if team cherry is working 1 day/week we might get silksong in 2086!
I couldn’t help but smile at Wade saying “ME WUG” and I just thought _”Dude it’s him! He’s real!”_
If Hollow Knight is the prototype, then Hungry Knight is peak gaming.
True we do indeed have no idea how good Silksong is.
I didn't look at the channel name and I legit thought this was a new Windette short
that's how you know team cherry is the goat
I still going into silksong with low expectations. I don't want to go into it being like "oh this is gonna be so much better than the first game for it then to be worse"
If it is better I'll be pleasantly surprised. But sometimes that low budget and constraints can be a good thing. Fame can muddle anything so keep that in mind.
If what this guy says is true, then that makes me love HK even more because that's a FANTASTIC game. It's the game that introduced me to the metroidvanias genre (though I had played Metroid games before I played HK) and became my gold standard for metroidvanias, because I think it was THAT well done. Every other Metroidvania is compared to HK throughout my play of said game, and a lot of them fall short. Makes me even MORE excited for Silksong.
Ya i actually don't even like metroidvanias virtually at all. Hollow knight is the one exception because it is so unique and well done
Really does put things into perspective ain't it? One of the best indie title even now, have been seen as standard of to folloe is in itself, a rushed job on a shoestring budget. Makes ya wonder what they can do with far more time and a lot more money
yall better not pull a fucking "security breach"
seeing as how hollow knight is one of the best games I've ever played (it is PACKED with content. I was bewildered at how much there was the first time I played it!), I can only imagine the sheer power silksong will display.
Can’t wait for silksong
The fact that those messages are the same as my birthday
Bro talking about Silksong like it's actually gonna come out
this gives the same vibes as doors still being in alpha.
Playtester sounds mad jealous, like he's trying to sneak in insults into his praise.
Holy shit this makes me kinda hyped for silksong.
Not that I wasn't already.
Their sure taking their sweet sweet time to release silk song
Already looking at silksong screenshots you see the art and enemies mechanics just everything becoming better
I just wanna talk to him, I just wanna talk to him…
ngl i kinda thought this was about to be some troll ranting about how the game sucks but its one of the tc people talking about how much better ss is in comparison lol
Oh lord the're really goibg all out on silk song sinve it's been more than 4 years💀
HOLY SHIT
THAT WAS A "RUSHED" GAME? A GAME WITH TONS OF UNIQUE ENEMIES AND AN ENDLESS SEA OF CONTENT THAT FILLS ONE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST INTERCONNECTED MAPS IN GAMING HISTORY?
THAT WAS A "RUSHED" GAME? HOW TALENTED ARE THESE PEOPLE?
I'm working on an indie game right now and stuff like this makes me feel super insecure lol.
I started making indie games cause I thought "this will be fun, just a nice passion project, people won't expect it to be super perfect cause it's an indie game." But now I realize I'm a toddler being put in a fight against a dragon. Like I don't think I'll be able to make my game half as good or fleshed out as hollow knight in the 6 years I'm planning it to take for me to work on it.
It's awesome that we have such good indie games but man, does it make getting into indie game development feel a lot more stressful knowing what you're gonna be compared to. "It was just me working on it" isn't an excuse for a game to be unpolished anymore like it used to be. You're not gonna be compared to Undertale and Cave Story anymore, now you're gonna be compared to games like Cuphead and Hollow Knight, that just feel like triple A games lol.
@@SuperIsaiahthe dragon doesn’t need to fight the toddler, y’know. It should give you even more passion how hollow knight team members didn’t have YEARS AND YEARS of experience. They were 3 guys who decided to team up. Continue in that game. Put passion in that game. Dont let these scare you. Good luck, man
well its been 5 years so where is silksong?
i was preparing myself for an onslaught of insults but i found myself watching something different
“You have noe idea how great silksong is”
WELL OFC I DONT THE GAME IS NOT OUT
Wimdy moment
Silksong will be amazing
Now I think I'll be disappointed if the Silksong doesn't exceed 5 times the HK map volume.
I'm worried that people will be disappointed when the game actually comes out because they expect too much like me
@@daramgom well if it doesn’t come out better than hollow knight that would be weird cuz team cherry is getting more time and more money and they are a lot more skilled now
@@daramgomyeah I think you should set your hopes at like, 1.5x or 2x. Cause remember, base HKs map is already HUGE. So even just 1.5x size would be a giant game
TC are literal GOATS
It's like watching dynamite blow up a building and then someone nudging your shoulder going "just wait till you see the nuke!"
Except... you know... less Destructive
Agreed because 10 years later silksong still isn't out
All jokes aside I'm glad team cherry is taking their time and making silksong amazing.
dang silksong gonna be good if hk was just a “prototype”
as much as i joke im really glad they're able to take their time with silksong. development crunch is brutal and i can only hope the team is able to relax a little on this one
HK greatest advantage in terms of production is that the core gameplay is unbelievably simple.
I wouldn't call that an advantage. Maybe from a developer perspective as you can focus on making content more easily. Tbh most old-school metroidvanias worked like this. Metroids and Castlevanias. Only recently have we started seeing metroidvanias with deeper mechanics or more involved combat like Death's Gambit or Afterimage.
@@paledrake It frees the developers up to focus on other parts of the game. It's why the atmosphere, artstyle and environmental storytelling in Hollow Knight is so much more important to the game than the actual gameplay.
@@Mediados Atmosphere and artstyle pretty much every indie metroidvania excels at. Now environmental story-telling is an interesting one as different games approach it in different ways. HK definitely excel in this field and it was interesting seeing how they approach it.
Where this strategy falls short however is when it comes to game optimization. They simply lack the time and manpower required to properly optimize the game’s code. Luckily for them, the game ran fine on most PCs. It was only when HK was ported to the glorified kindle tablet that is the Nintendo Switch that TC actually had to consider CPU limitations, and the initial release was rough to say the least. TC had to actually contract a 3rd party studio to optimize their game for the Switch, which ended up paying off considering the Switch is one of their most successful platforms.
I don’t even remember watching this video before but man this was a banger comment.
I do not allow myself to feel hype for games, I've been let down too often, but I can say that I do look forward to Silksong and I believe TC can at least match the standards they set in the first game.
You're right, we have no idea because we can't play it.
Patience, dear Cheddar. It is coming.
TeamCherry: We ain't done nothing with your soul, YET!
Silk song is breaking new records for indi game production times
The pure creativity and talent of the devs
just getting me even more hyped that this wont be a letdown
He had us in the first half not gonna lie
It's amazing to see someone go "Yeah, that game is great, but they had to really rush through because they didn't have the money they needed to make it even better. Just wait for their new game to drop. You'll see."
This is like Edison inventing the lightbulb and going "You think this is impressive? I just needed this to get me on the map, this is where the real fun begins!"
Team cherry is becoming too powerful. We can’t stop them, we can’t hold them anymore!!!!!
I do like hollow knight but I will only believe the team cherry power if they released silksong this year
Silksong isn't real, it can't hurt you
But will we ever see it? Lol! Almost 2023 now and still waiting
This tingles my silk song senses
Sometimes I wonder... will I live to see Silksong?