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Brian McLaren on Homosexuality - Homebrewed Christianity Unfiltered
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2013
- Brian McLaren answers the question: "Can you share how your journey with [your gay son], in relationship to the church and Bible, has changed over time and lessons you've learned?"
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It's interesting that he doesn't address any of the Biblical passages associated with the issue... just calls it stupid
he is preaching to itching ears,saying what people want to hear,
This guy is conforming to the world instead of preaching the word .The problem is people think hes teaching the word of God so sad
not rlly. didnt God teach us that if you love one another you are loving God, therefore the law is fulfilled in that? Homosexuality isnt a sin anymore than wearing a shirt made of more than one material is
@@rayaa2036 ”For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.“
Matthew 5:18 NKJV
“until heaven and earth pass away”
@@rayaa2036 ”What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?“
Romans 6:1-2 NKJV
if sin wasnt a thing im the nee testament then paul was heretic and didn’t preach the Gospel.
that also means that under God i can murder, steal, hate, and do all things unlawful. let that not be so
So I guess the Bible for Brian isn't God's Word because the Bible is black-and-white clear on the subject of homosexuality.
One thing is for sure, you can't rely on the subtitles. Switched them on to try and get help with the sound, but they were useless.
His changed position is common. We are tested in our faith when God permits people we love to do things that are completely contrary to His word and put them in a hostile position to God. It is such a hard position to be in when you have to choose between God and those you love, but choose we must. It's unfortunate that he is a pastor. God's word specifically says what is better than leading people away from Him in Mark 9:42..."Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.
It seems more prudent that he step down as a pastor. We see what happened with Sodom and Gomorrah and in Romans 1:19-32, especially 1:27. I have no judgment here, just pointing out what is written in the Bible. I pray I am able to stand firm in God's Truth when tested.
The Posture Specialist you should really read Unclobber by Colby Martin. The scriptures you listed might not say what you think they say. Pray bout it
How does this false teaching fool interpret:
Genesis 19:1-11
Leviticus 18:22
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
1 Timothy 1:8-10
Jude 7?
He is indeed a false teacher
@@TesterBoy It’s ‘preaching’ what the world wants to hear, rather than what it needs to hear.
Who do you generally like to hear/listen to?
In a word, yes. The Bible is the final authority in our lives because it is God's personal revelation to us (2 Tim 3:16-17). So when we answer these questions, we have to first ask; "what does the Bible say about this?", not; "what do my experiences tell me about this?" I think you're referring to some of the penalties that are ordained against homosexual practice in Leviticus. I would say that those punishments are specific to the theocracy of Israel, which God used to communicate the sinful
Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh Homoousios to Patri. Not the book.
@@bilbobaggins4403yes Jesus Christ is the Word in the flesh. but all Scripture is God breathed.
”All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,“
II Timothy 3:16 NKJV
the single greek word θεόπνευστος used for “inspiration of God”also specifically means “Divinely Breathed in”
God spoke His Word on the Scripture and to men, and breathed on the book, and His Word is on the book, and Jesus says He came to full fill the Law and Prophets.
God spoke the Word of Truth which is found in the Scripture
@Jeremyn_03 The prologue to John clearly states the axiomatic reality " In the beginning ( before the written word/logos) was the Word...and the Word was with (koine greek pros turned towards face to face with) God and the Word was God. The Word became flesh ( koine greek sarx ...meaning Adamic sinful twisted fallen flesh) and pitched His tent with us.
As Dietrich Bonhoeffer points out in his work on Christology ..Jesus Christ is a person not an idea. Thus is essential....otherwise the Bible becomes the word of God and takes precedence over people in with and through whom the Word made Flesh Dwells.
John 14:20
In that day you will know that I am in My Father you are in Me and I am in you.
Too many make the mistake of trying to eat the menu....or climb the signs instead of going where they are pointing.
@@Jeremyn_03 People are more important than the book as you can use the book to do whatever you like.
@@bilbobaggins4403 very true, but im saying that the Word still stands true, and it is very clear
Sugar coating smh
Sorry the reply is so long, 500 characters are killing me. I hope that explains where I'm coming from. I'd love to personal questions if you'd like to talk more to allow more freedom in our responses. Take care!
he claims it isnt a choice but forgets that we all deal with the temptations of sin. if i decide to identify with my temptations, that doesnt mean its not my choice. that just means im lied to and deceived by satan. and some people decide plainly that they are who they are because they dont want to change. some people have demons. some need deliverance.
Don't listen to Brian McLaren. He is not anointed and he is not called of God to set us straight. This is a man who is on a self discovery, don't confuse that with him thus having authority to decide what you and I should believe.
nature of homosexuality and the ultimate cost it has, leading to spiritual death, as all other sins do (Rom. 6:23). Though these punishments were specific to the people of Israel in that part of redemptive history, surely we can't make the leap to say it isn't sinful today. The entire scope of the Bible tells us otherwise. We see it in the heterosexual created couple (Gen. 2), multiple OT examples showing its sinfulness (Gen. 19; Judges 19), direct prohibition (Lev. 20), and NT's teaching on
Does he really have to do that? There are many sins that are punishable by death in the bible. Now we do not kill or condemn people on the basis of those passages anymore right?
This guy is not a wolf in sheeps clothing he is just a plain wolf
well said,
He’s no wolf. He’s the serpent.
Brain is man of integrity and HUMILITY and has made an EDUCATED decision.
A number of gay Christian opponents rail against same gender relations citing certain Biblical passages such as the story of Sodom in the Old Testament or Romans in the New as if their view of these passages and our Lord's will were one and the same. References to same gender relations in Genesis 19:5 revolve around the word "know" or "yadda" in the original Hebrew. This term has SEVERAL different definitions. So it is not certain this is an actual reference to homosexuality, MUCH less all types of same gender relations such as marriage.Romans 1:18-32 may be the most exploited passage of the New Testament. The people Paul mention in this passage FIRST turned away from our Lord in favor of pagan rituals as Romans 1:23 and 25 strongly suggest. Some attempt to prop their claim that this passage is entirely anti-same gender by citing Paul's mention of the words "natural" and "unnatural" in Romans 1:26-27. This is even though Paul had what may be considered a rather dubious view of nature as evidenced in 1st Corinthians 11:13-15 in which he states women with short hair as well as men with long hair (like Christ?) are outside of nature. It is perhaps the misuse of these and other verses that has led to such a degree of hostility against the same gender oriented by churches and other spiritual organizations, that even the very leaders of a number such institutions have stood up to say "enough."And I am never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or atheist than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement that are for Him ALONE to decide.
We never did kill, or I should say the church should not kill based on anything. We are under the law of Christ. The law was for the nation of Israel and it reveals the righteousness of God, but for instance, King David should have been put to death for adultery, but he was spared by decree through the prophet and in Psalm 51 we discover the grace of God. God does however command that men everywhere repent. That means to give up anything that is sin, and sin is revealed in the law.
The Gospels are silent on the issue of same gender relations. This has sadly NOT kept many from exploiting them in an effort to "prove" Christ condemned the same gender oriented. Such actions could create problems between our Lord and those doing this involving the Ninth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18. It is therefore good that these people have the prayers of forgiveness from many of the very ones they strive to condemn.
How about 1 Timothy 1:10 idiot?
Silent? It literally took less than a minute to find one of the several parts of scripture that God tells us homosexuality is sin.
Your comment is very stupid.
Maybe you have a dishonest pastor that misled you, or maybe you're inept...either way it is dumb to make statements without even taking a peek at the issue according to the text.
+causeimbatmaaan This is how stupid you are. You call someone an idiot when there is no word "homosexual" in 1 Timothy.Dingy twit.
Love it when people who don't even realize that the bible wasn't written in English originally tell you that a word isn't in the bible based on their particular translation that they stupidly didn't even realize was a translation.
causeimbatmaaan You got my point dingy, unless you LIKE to play stupid with what you knew I was saying. You won't find "homosexual" or "homosexuality" or any variation making a general condemnation in the Bible.
This is precious from you:
"Love it when people who don't even realize that the bible wasn't written in English originally tell you that a word isn't in the bible based on their particular translation that they stupidly didn't even realize was a translation."
What group do you think reads "homosexuals" in 1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)? I'll give you a hint since you're a little slow, it's not the pro-gay crowd.
orangewizard You think that there are only four books in the bible that contain gospel?
That's pretty ignorant.
This guy has influenced so many preachers it’s actually v scary and depressing esp when u see this sort of teaching has infiltrated to SO MANY mainline churches. It’s almost like they’ve become the majority and anyone who holds onto biblical teaching is an anomaly and an outsider.
1st Timothy 1:10 has been offered up in response to the statement that the Gospels are silent on the issue of same gender relations.
The obvious problem with this response is that this verse is NOT part of the Gospels of Christ but one of the epistles of the apostle Paul. Perhaps in a zealous haste to respond, the Gospels were being confused with the rest of the New Testament.
Another less obvious problem is that the part of this verse many take as homosexuality revolves around a Greek term believed by many to have been created by Paul himself. It is the fusion of the Greek words for "man" and "bed." But since Paul did not define the word attributed to him, it is uncertain he was speaking to homosexuality at all, MUCH less all types of same gender relations such as marriage.
Jesus said the road is narrow and knew what was in the heart of man. He warned that some will be surprised on the day of judgement when they hear that He never knew them. Maybe guys like Brian, Rob Bell and Bart Ehrmann will repent and trust. Right now they’re leading people astray.
Men like this just give me more faith in what the Bible says, the Bible says deceivers will come, but if people don’t read it they won’t know.
I'm sure there's a George Soros connection here...
I do not believe that this guy has read the Bible ,except out of context.
Straight outta context