@@laurenanderson61I'd be less insulted and more engaged by a show written by children than Rings of Power. At least we'd have something unique and creative.
Tolkien was not a racist. He wanted to create a mythology for ancient England. So yeah, there were no blacks there then, and orcs are corrupted elves and humans; not black people. You can learn this in 15 minutes by reading about Tolkien so someone writing an article about it is insane.
He did initially decide to make a mythology for England but in interviewing the late 1960s he mentioned shifting directions. Moreover He drew ideas from historical realism: people assume the Rohirrim are Anglo Saxons but since they didn’t have a horse culture, they’re clearly inspired also by peoples of the Eastern Steppe. Numenoreans were inspired by ancient Egyptians. Why can’t people accept that his work isn’t allegorical? That it is an algebraic fantasy worked inspired by but not our world? Tolkien cares far more about the takeaway message of his work than identity politics. Nothing about this man tells me he would jump on Twitter and complain about how the Silvan Elves weren’t Asiatic. People default imagine characters in their own image. That’s not the same as making it important. Hence in Asia Jesus is often depicted as Asian even though he wasn’t. But Galadriel does need to have blond hair because it’s relevant to the plot, so it makes sense for her and her kin to be white. What’s stupid about how Rings of Power treats race is blind racial casting and making diversity look like modern SoCal. Outside of major metropolitan areas, people exist in their racial/ethnic groups. I don’t care that Miriel is Black - we have no idea who her mother was or come from. She could have come from a lineage dating back to Numenorean colonization. What’s stupid is how dark she is for having white father and how there are like no other black in her court. Naturally a powerful person surrounds themselves with family
@@AliciatheCho I MIND THAT THEY CAST MIRIEL BEING BLACK LIKE FROM WHERE!!!!!!!!! NUMENOREANS WERE THE UBER MEN OF ARDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@goodputin4324it bothers me more that the Numenorians are so diverse. Same for the Harfoots. Aren't they living in a secluded community for centuries with no outside influence whatsoever? They should have developed into a homogeneous group of people by then. That's how a restricted genepool works.
I continue to be amazed that people promote the idea orcs were ever meant to be black people. It’s like someone thought orcs reminded them of black people, and instead of pausing to interrogate that line of thinking, they decided it must be a global problem. They could have walked all the way through their reasoning, dealt with the shame they stirred up, and never needed to speak a word of it.
Still bugs me how the elves in this show look. In lord of the rings and the hobbit, they looked perfect. In this show the elves just look like average looking humans with pointy ears,celebrimbor is played by an old guy, and the king looks like a fat peasant compared to thranduil.
It's actuallt worse when you realize this era was supposed to be where elves were still at their hight when in LOTR they were a waining people. But by comparison it looks like they will be more magical and special in the future instead.
"The problem isn't that little Timmy can't read. It isn't even that little Timmy can't think. He doesn't even know what thinking is. He mistakes it for feeling." -Thomas Sowell
He mistaking it for feeling because understanding IS feeling 👀ツ ==> That's why most people can be wrong & feel they are right, because they understood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
These Writers made this with only Feelings and nothing else cuz being Rational means you are their enemy. Having a working Mind is against their ideology.
i get the point, but i'd actually unironically argue that its worse. honest opinion. at least scooby doo isn't a franchise known and loved worldwide, its just a saturday cartoons tier show. i'd say that reason alone makes the stinger go even deeper.
It's much worse than that. Because, Scooby Doo is just a funny cartoon. Lord of the Rings isn't just another fantasy. It's not just another book. It's not Harry Potter or The Witcher. Lord of the Rings is a global cultural legacy, a seminal work that completely changed the genre. It's the bible of the fantasy genre.
Your drawing attention to his lack of sideburns has made me incapable of NOT zooming in on their absence every time he's on screen now. Thanks Alteori, you've cursed me.
So... for those who don't know the lore, here's a taster of how far it's veered. in the original stories: * The definitive 3 Elven rings were forged last, after all the other rings * Celebrimbor forged the last 3 elven rings completely alone after Sauron (in the form of Annatar) had left Eregion to return to Mordor * The elves only ever made rings for elves. The ones given to men and dwarves were done so by Sauron after he took them from the elves and considered his plan to control them via the rings a failure * The rings don't corrupt normally. The only one that does this by default is the one ring and it was forged to connect to and corrupt the other ring users (which only works because the rings use some techniques that Sauron provided that also act as the backdoor for this domination) * Galadriel was one of the tallest elf women at 6'4" and would've almost stood eye to eye with the male elves (which were generall about 6'6") * From even an early age, her magic allowed her insight into other people's minds and there are some tales that she was able to communicate with others over vast distances * She learned magic and other things from 2 gods in the undying lands before she even came to middle earth so she would have no need to swing a sword. ** On a fun note, one of those 2 tutors was Aule: the Valar who created the dwarves :P * 200 years before Sauron appeared in any real way, she had a daughter, Celebrian, with her husband Celeborn * During the stirrings of Sauron's first appearances, she moved to Eregion with her hubby and foiled his initial plans * Sauron turned up as Annatar 700 years later and Galadriel immediately distrusted him and warned others not to deal with him, stating he was not someone who had trained with Aule (the valor associated with crafting who created the dwarves and who'd she'd been taught by) ** Ironically she's both right and wrong... Annatar was obviously not a real person which is why she didn't recognise him during her time with Aule, but Sauron was at one time Mairon: essentially a spirit helper or angel, if you like, of Aule :o * Annatar couldn't move against Galadriel so he poisoned Celebrimbor and his followers against her instead, eventually leading to her being forced to leave. She went through Khazad-dum with her daughter to Lorinand but her husband didn't come with her (he really wasn't fond of dwarves and didn't want to travel through their realm :P ) * The one ring was forged 200 years after her being forced out of Eregion and Celebrimbor came to her seeking counsel. They couldn't work out how to destroy the rings so she instead instructed him to hide them... at which point Celebrimbor gave her Nenya, the white ring. Instead we get the 3 elven rings forged first and a midget Galadriel who doesn't use magic, is vulnerable to Sauron and who's husband is just presumed dead for nonsensical shipping reasons... oh and we don't mention her daughter :P She also gets her ring in this version because it fell down some stairs and she was at the bottom of them.
@@Ry9022 It may as well be Celebrimbor given ROP's hodgepodge approach to lore and character consistency. I can't help but think ROP's exclusion of Celeborn was motivated by "shipping" or the idea that Celeborn would taint Galadriel's "girl boss" image. I mean, all of season 2's directors were female, so the showrunners' certainly wanted a more modern approach to the portrayal of women. It's too bad that classic femininity had to be sacrificed - and not just with Galadriel but every female character. They're all overly headstrong. During the Southlands battle episodes, Galadriel, Miriel, and Bronwyn were barely distinguishable. Once I saw Galadriel being a fighter and commander in the trailers, I knew lore went out the window. Galadriel was already very powerful in the books but the writers needed her to be powerful in hand-to-hand combat as well, which is the cheap and easy way to show her power. Just make her a bloke, basically. Subtlety is beyond the writers' ability.
Exactly right. As the chapter 'The Shibboleth of Fëanor' describes Galadriel: "From her earliest years she had a marvellous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her good will from none save only Fëanor." RoP completely goes against her character as Tolkien wrote it and turns her into the opposite.
re: Galadriel vulnerable to Sauron - there is also that statement by Elrond that Elves may fear Sauron or flee from him, but will never listen to him again. - Not that I expect the authors to actually know their Tolkien well enough to be aware that they are directly contradicting him here, but it's kind of comic.
Yooo, the actor for Elrond said "How do I better portray Hugo Weavings version" and studied tapes of Agent Smith. Dude stood on business in that Galadriel scene lol
Yeah that season 1 scene was so trash. The other Elves got smashed and she just girl bossed the ice troll. That scene is why I stopped watching this trash. It showed me all I needed to see.
She was also sent away to paradise and so a new commander should have been apointed. Even in the best case she should not be a commander at all at this point.
@josemgarcia141 yeah.. the insistent reminders that she is "commander of the Northern army" is just obnoxious. 1. Her leadership ability has been VERY poorly represented. 2. All the elves would be very aware of her position. Galadriel is a living legend, even in the second age. Who are you reminding? I am usually fairly forgiving over mediocre writing, but this show is just out of context book quotes and bad filler.
Just to clarify the power dynamics between the elves, Gil Galad is either Galadriel's nephew or great nephew, Galadriel should have a husband and been married for roughly 2000 years assuming this show takes place toward the beginning of the second age given it is about Sauron's rise to power. But, because Isildur is alive, the show has to take place within the last 200 years of the second age meaning not only should Galadriel and Celeborn have a daughter; she should be married to Elrond. The way these characters interact with each other feels out of line with what the relationships are supposed to be.
@@Tony_409Wait, really? Seriously? … I can’t. I can’t. I won’t. That’s so stupid that I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around it. You hired someone for lore keeping, they pointed out that what you’re doing is making no sense and your reaction is to fire them? I just….
Also Celebrimbor is suppose to be the friends of the dwarves not Elrond, He's also Galadriel's companion, no? Yet they have him act like a frumpy Grandpa when he's younger and her as the angsty teenager despite being what nearly several thousand years old. This show is messed up on so many levels.
I hate so much that they try to "Ship" Galadriel with anyone... Not only is she alredy married it seems they imply that even Elrond has feelings for her and thats some twilight bullshit... Bro Elrond will marry her Daughter! But the Actor for Elrond and the Dwarfen are the only reddeming element in this Show. In this Episode iwas rooting for Elrond so freakin hard
In order for Elrond to marry her daughter, her daughter has to exist, and I've seen no evidence so far that P&M are even aware that she's supposed to have a daughter.
Something tells me they know nothing about the lore I mean... in this show Elrond looks like the older wiser mentor to Galadriel. But he is supposed to become her son in law so... pretty sure Galadriel is supposed to be older and a mentor figure to HIM.
If they wanted to ship someone so bad, why not have her daughter take her spot? We know very little about her, it would work better. I know the answer is that people know who Galadriel is, not Celebrian, but the choice makes clear where the writers' priorities are, and it's not in staying true to the source material.
Gil Galad seems to reward Betrayal and incompetence, Galadirel tried to suck off Sauron and lied about it so she gets a ring of power. And Elrond disobeyed his king by trying to destroy the rings so he's promoted to team leader
Sassy Elrond is the only good thing to come out of this episode and best of all he MERELY IS USING THE TRUTH. I can see a bit of the badass that went and made Rivendel.
except we have no idea how elrond got custody of the 3 rings, or how he learned that Habrand was a fake. The most important events for his character occurred offscreen.
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except we have no idea how elrond got custody of the 3 rings, or how he learned that Habrand was a fake. The most important events for his character occurred offscreen.
Amazon: encountering Sauron once makes you more susceptible to his deception. Meanwhile, Tolkien: "The Elves may fear the Dark Lord, and they may fly before him, but NEVER AGAIN WILL THEY LISTEN TO HIM OR SERVE HIM"
The trees are still around, meaning they are the light of the world and there is no Sun yet and despite that, old man elf says that a singer had a voice that could make the Sun weep tears of fire... How does he friggin know of something that doesn't even exist yet? This show is retarded... I don't know where shows find their writers lately but everything is getting dumber and dumber. The younger generations can't think, they have no imagination for they have been so filled with dogma and agenda that they can't understand anything else...
I love the fact that the Elves of LotR trilogy are beautiful, look ageless and are almost feminine in their beauty. These elves look like middle aged fathers who enjoy beer nuts and football.
Usually in fantasy games, books, movies, etc elves are showed like this almost godlike magic race with tremendous wisdom, skills and dignity. This show elves ... are not like that at all, at least not the ones in the spotlight, but they sure seem to think that they are, and dont you dare say otherwise or they throw a tamtrum
Tolkien's elves are even beyond that. Because usually in fantasy races share “specialties”, like Dwarves are the best blacksmiths. But Tolkien's elves are the best blacksmiths. And they're the best warriors. And the best architects. And they're the wisest. And the most beautiful. Eru's original intention was for humans to acquire something the elves lacked. But the humans were corrupted by Melkor as soon as they appeared in Arda.
Rings of Power Middle Earth is an alternate universe the prime universe elves have nightmares of. Also, I never paid attention that GG has no sideburns and now I'm hyper-focused on it whenever he is on screen. Thanks for that, Alteori. 🤣
ROP does not understand dwarfs they would have no opening in the mountain acting like windows as they are a weakness you can be attacked from Dwarthen cities were about defence. They imported most of their food, and there were also edible roots that could be cultivated underground (Earth-bread). They may also have had farms on the surface, Tolkien never said anything about that. Galadriel at this moment is time is supposed to be the second eldest elf plus married with a kid. Her power should be already in use without the need for the elven ring she studied with the gods who taught her thier wisdom.
This show is hot garbage, but Dwarven halls do indeed have windows for light and air: "[Gandalf said] 'There used to be great windows on the mountain-side, and shafts leading out to the light in the upper reaches of the Mines.' " -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark "[Gandalf said] 'Let us go towards that light in the north door. If we could find a window it would help, but I fear that the light comes only down deep shafts.' " -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark "The chamber was lit by a wide shaft high in the further eastern wall; it slanted upwards and, far above, a small square patch of blue sky could be seen." -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark (granted, this one is a shaft not a full window, but still it is an opening to the outside) "They ran on. The light grew before them; great shafts pierced the roof. They ran swifter. They passed into a hall, bright with daylight from its high windows in the east." --TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, The Bridge of Khazad-dûm
5:55 it’s a Star Trek thing. Someone will say something like “we need to refocus the hypercombobulators to re-energize the thingy” And then someone else will say “Like putting air in a balloon!”
Those white women talking about "racist orcs" is quite literally everything wrong with western society. Those two women. They're perfect examples. Good review.
Honestly, if Tolkien meant to describe orcs as looking African, it would've been obvious. He had no reason to hide it back then. He does say that orcs are a result of corruption of the existing elf/human population, which would suggest they were white before they got corrupted...so way to tell on yourselves by basically saying black people are corrupted or dirty versions of white people. 😬 And hell I didn't know or care who played the scary Uruk Hai commander or what he actually looked like, because I liked the immersion of seeing the Uruk Hai, not the guy under the amazing practical effects makeup job. They even covered up his actual skin color with body paint, so if they were trying to make "black/brown man = villain", they did a terrible job.
Generally speaking it’s extremely difficult to write a competent and extremely intelligent character without being very intelligent yourself since regardless of how the character is portrayed they are still limited to solutions the incompetent author can come up with.
Well I mean... while that is true. I fear these writers take this to an extreme, why they don't just hire any random million selling fantasy author is beyond me. I'm sure plenty would jump at the chance but no we get the two who had a rejected Star trek film script.
@@MajorSmurf "Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid." Ricky Gervais
There is a way to give the illusion of a more intelligent character by compressing the amount of time the writer took to work out the solution to a few "in story" minutes/moments, and then making sure all the clues are in the preceding scenes. But that requires thought, and editing.
@@adamjenkins7653 true but even with that method characters are still bound by what solutions the author can come up with even if the author gives him/herself more time to think of solutions than the characters.
This is sad today. To compare. Elrond was amazing as leader and elf. He showed wisdom and intelligence. Hugo did well depicting how the long years, success and failures developed him into who he was. He was flawed too sometimes not always believing in paths, but he always tried to do right. This is sad travesty from where LOTR took us. This show is utter nonsense.
"Commodified fantasy takes no risks: it invents nothing, but imitates and trivializes. It proceeds by depriving the old stories of their intellectual and ethical complexity, turning their action to violence, their actors to dolls, and their truth-telling to sentimental platitude. Heroes brandish their swords, lasers, wands, as mechanically as combine harvesters, reaping profits. Profoundly disturbing moral choices are sanitized, made cute, made safe. The passionately conceived idea of the great storytellers are copied, stereotyped, reduced to toys, molded in bright-colored plastic, advertised, sold, broken, junked, replaceable, interchangeable." -Ursula K. LeGuin
Elf and Intelligence are two words that should not be in the same sentence. BUT, even I as a biased dwarf felt sorry for how bad my pointy eared tree lovers were portayed in this show.
You are correct that the 3 elven rings are not corrupt in the original story. It's actually a pretty gross change they've made. It's kind of the whole point of the three that they were made without Sauron's involvement and thus are free of his corrupting influence. They also don't exert any kind of control or domination over living things. Only the One Ring can do that. And it can do that because Sauron poured HIS will to dominate into it, during its forging. But here's the thing. Even the One Ring, cannot dominate the wills of random living things. It dominates the will of its bearer, if that bearer isn't Sauron. And through the One ring, Sauron can dominate the wills of the 9 human ring bearers. In theory, he's supposed to be able to dominate the wills of the 7 dwarven ring bearers, but it doesn't work because Dwarves were made by Aule to specifically resist the will of darkness. All of this matters, because if the magic rings let you dominate others, then Elrond could have just commanded Isildur to throw the One ring into The Cracks of Doom. Frodo could have just commanded the Orcs and Shelob to let them pass. Giving the rings of power this ability completely breaks the entire story of Lord of the Rings.
This "version" of Tolkien's elves lacks everything that comes with age: wisdom, tempered passions, discernment etc. They are reduced to men with pointy ears who dabble in middle school poetry.
LOVE your long form takes! See so many 17 minute vids on these episodes.This terrible dialogue & plots deserve deeper breakdown as much of the time it doesn’t make sense! You said, “there’s a lot going on”. Problem is most of it leads to NOTHING. Thanks for all the fun.
Tolkien grew up in South Africa, so he was familiar with a lot of different cultures. The reason Lord of the Rings is so white is because he wanted a mythology for England. He noticed how so many other cultures had their own mythologies for how their countries and cultures came to be, by England didn't. The history of Middle Earth was meant to be a mythology for England. That's why it was so white and also why it's so insulting that modern people insist on changing the ethnicities of the people. It's not just a fun story; it was written with specific meaning for a particular culture.
@justinbowers2749 I can't speak for Tolkien; I can just repeat what he's said. On this topic, I would guess that the response would be that King Arthur is an historical figure, not a mythological one. Sure, there are plenty of myths and legends surrounding his history, but it's still history.
@@justinbowers2749 To add a little note but King Arthur myths are technically speaking French. They are a repurposed version of the French Twelve paladins of Charlemagne. Hell most of the Arthurian tales you know were originally written in French, it took several centuries before they were added to and seen as English. A lot of our true native mythology was lost, because England was invaded so many times that native cultures and traditions just died out and we became more of a Hodge podge of other European cultures. England is a bizarre case of a country when you deep dive into history.
Saying that he "grew up in South Africa" is a bit of a stretch. He lived there until he was 4 and then moved to England permanently. A 4 years old hardly gets familiar with many different cultures, and he's also not grown up.
Exactly. Tolkien wanted to create what he referred to as a Celtic story and mythology so for the RoP to shoehorn races into it that never existed is ridiculous and as insulting as the cultural appropriation RoP shills complain about.
Someone once told me that he's hopeful that Rings of Power would convince more people to read the books. The problem with that is, if anyone who is introduced to Tolkien through this show ever does actually read the books, they're going to be thoroughly confused, because the show bears so little resemblance to anything that Tolkien wrote. They're going to wonder why there's no mention of the Istari in the Second Age; why Galadriel's role is so minimal; why there's no indication that Galadriel and Sauron even knew each other, let alone had a relationship; why there's so much focus on the rise and fall of Numenor; and many other things besides. And the person who is introduced to the books through this show is going to come away with one of two conclusions: 1) That Payne and MacKay are hacks who had no business adapting Tolkien's work; or 2) that Tolkien was an inferior writer and that we should all be on our knees thanking these chucklefucks for "correcting" his oversights.
> if anyone who is introduced to Tolkien through this show ever does actually read the books, they're going to be thoroughly confused, because the show bears so little resemblance to anything that Tolkien wrote I feel better now. I "watched" the show through reviewers like Alteori, Disparu, Liene's Library, Random Film Talk. And hearing what they were reviewing was so disgusting, I went to a non-Amazon bookstore, bought all the books I'd never read as a kid and started my Tolkien reading journey, pausing only to flip the middle finger at Payne and McKay's garbage.
@@troffleDuring the first season, I tweeted to Amazon Prime that the Rings of Power inspired me to go back and reread all of Tolkien's works, and to buy new copies of them. I mentioned that after seeing so many differing versions, such as the anniversary edition, collector editions, and illustrated editions, that I ended up getting multiple copies of each of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion because I just couldn't decide. I told them that I ended up spending quite a bit of money on ordering them from...................Barnes and Nobles, and not from them, and that they can suck it 😂😂😂 (Best use of twitter ever imo 🤣)
Remember, this is an actual line in the show - "He deceived me." This line comes from literally the only character who was never deceived, from the character that ALWAYS KNEW Annatar was AMONG US!
Sauron is the Lord of the Rings. - One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. I'm so glad I've yet to give Amazon a single cent though, I doubt I'm going to start any time soon either.
The thing that annoys me most about the people who call themselves fighting for and pushing for diversity in everything. Is that they don’t support or highlight works by black, brown, and Asian creators. They will support and make literal smut and abuse trend, but are nowhere to be seen when its a work by a black, brown or Asian.
Or if it is, they'll attack it. At least, I think Wukong involved some Chinese devs (I don't know much about that game) I think what's more aggregious is the fact that diversity of thought/world view is far more important than diversity of skin-deep characteristics, and they absolutely will not stand for differing opinions or views. That's the kind of diversity that actually does make a group stronger.
@@SammaclauseGamgee I agree with that as well. I still think it’s important to show that with people of different races because we are not a monolith. Too often today the same group think or stereotypes are shown using the skin of people of color. Of course the diversity of thought and race being properly done where it makes sense and fits should be shown.
I was wondering about that fucking 'RRR', because they pronounciate it only with names but the next word is just a normal r. Like: "rest assured, CelebRimboRRR and the secrets of his craft are safe" . Thats a hell of a lot of RRRR's to skip if that is the way you talk. It makes it feel so fake
Another thing that is a glaring difference between Amazon's Ring of Power compared to the movies and books is the fact that the Elven Rings in both the books and movies were made after Sauron made the One Ring and was done without Sauron knowing. Edit: Interesting how the one elf seems to be talking about criticizing things people make, yet the people making the show lose their minds when anyone makes any kind of criticism about Rings of Power.
Tolkien wrote that he didn’t ascribe to racism. Look up his responses to questions/letters written to him that did try to paint his works in that light. I’m sure he wasn’t perfect but the shite people try to put on him is disgusting.
btw, Alteori, "The Lord Of The RIngs" refers to Sauron. he is responsible for all the rings creation, and even in the films Gandalf even to Saruman "There is only one lord of the ring. Only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power" before he makes his escape from the tower Saruman locked him on top of (he gets picked up by one of the eagles). so yeah, it is pretty clearly cut with no doubt that the title does in fact refer to Sauron.
The funny thing is Olorin really didn't mind the name thing that much. Yknow given the fact that he adopted plenty of names like Gandalf Mithrandir Tharkun Incanuz Graymane And I'm guessing plenty of other names throughout the years and places.
You have basically described my now ex-friend who has left his perfect wife for fuck knows what. Damn, in the end he just become clear mind incompatible. And I always though he is a good guy even though he was passive aggressive and enough weird to say "that dude is weird". Who cares if you were a good fried for a long time when the dude doesn't appreciate his own wife
@Alteori I had an ex cheat on me and 6 months after I left I her I ran into her at a store and she walks up and says, "I really messed up didn't I? Like no phuck you messed up that's why I left your sorry A$$. She was in shock that I said that and kept on walking. It was hilarious lol I've been cheated on a few times as well so I fully understand that feeling. It's such a good feeling when you tell the cheater off and to kick rocks.
I had been watching Jackson's trilogy on Prime, I am contributing to the views to help increase it over the failing views of the Amazon Original. Best way to protest this show. Also Alteori have you heard of Dragon Goes House Hunting? It's anime starring a young dragon looking for his own place after his father kicks him out after he fell asleep as poachers stole his sibling's egg.
Yes, they're trying to retcon the one rings influence to simply be Sauron was involved in the process, maybe? But what the shipwright says is what Gandalf warns against in LotR's; even if you try to wield Sauron's power to manipulate and dominate "for good," the end result is still evil. Which is even more true if you believe in free will.
If you want an example of how much of an amazing person Tolkien was. Look up the letter the german government sent him when they were trying to localize it. His response was insulting their ideology of the time.
They had to drastically lower the intelligence of the elves, because otherwise the show wouldn't have made it past the first episode. These characters can only be smart in relation to how good the screenwriters are at writing....so, very little.
The issue with Círdan's message is that it has nothing to do with the issue at hand: the Rings aren't just a matter of art, it doesn't matter whether or not the creator was flawless or not. The actual issue is that they could be tools that can have devastating effects, and they don't know yet, and that's completely independent on who actually created them. So the comparison to a drunk guy writing verses is absolutely nonsense and it shouldn't have convinced Elrond of anything. ESPECIALLY when Círdan then demonstrates how easy he can control another living being to end its life. It's an absolutely dumb argument. 🙃
"The Sindar Elves in Beleriand called Sauron Gorthaur, meaning "dread abomination", while others of the Eldar had named him Sauron, meaning "the abhorred" or "the abominable" (a mockery of his original name, Mairon)" -from The One Wiki To Rule Them All They were not aware that Sauron is shapeshifter? In First Age, there were many times Sauron used this, maybe his master did so too, to trick and fight. Sauron is also lord to Werewolfs and Vampires, having also seen transforming between these two. HE WAS KNOWN FOR IT!
I confirm, though I wasn't cheated on, that when you see your ex and she tries so hard to say how you were the best thing that happened to her and she should have realised it before leaving you.... *chef kiss* hell yeah you make that amused face. Keep stroking my ego, but it ain't going nowhere other then having this in my core memories of satisfaction.
36:00 Alteori you are exactly like me with the forgetting what you were talking about and gettung sidetracked. We got ADD dog im sorry to break the news to you.
The orcs could also be asocciated with the dark, as in the literal lack of light. Mordor? Shadowy place, the big battles? Mostly during either nighttime or is a place with little sun. Heck, in rings of power alone, its shown that they refuse to enter out into the sun, for some reason. So darkness as in metaphor, darkness as in lack of light, and darkness as in dark skinned, which really makes the most sense, and how would it even be racist anyway? They are literally seperated from the humans, elves, wizards ( can't remember the name of Tolkien's angels stand in), dwarves and what have you as their own entirely unique species of creature, so not even a stand in for any racial group really. Heck even the evil races arent alk the same either, and we already have evil humans in the series, both willingly and forced, so that doesn't even apply either.
There's a very simple reason for why darkness is associated with evil: all human children, universally, regardless of ethnicity, are afraid of the dark; and we retain that anxiety even into adulthood. Human eyes are poorly adapted for seeing in the dark -- we can't see what might be there with us. You might be lying in bed, with all your lights off, trying to go to sleep, and yes, you're *pretty sure* that you're alone, but there's always a chance that a tiger mihgt just randomly spawn under your bed.
Dumb people can't write smart characters.
Dumb people breeds ignorance and stupidity
only ever as smart as them...which is quite telling here...
And children cannot write for adults!
the black elf isn't dumb though. hmm...
@@laurenanderson61I'd be less insulted and more engaged by a show written by children than Rings of Power.
At least we'd have something unique and creative.
I bet all the actors are trying real hard to ignore that little voice telling them this is all just god awful.
Atleast someone had the right mind to leave and fight for freedom and women's rights in Iran? not sure where the mom character went.
Nah. Most of them are likely to be brainwashed to think this is the Best thing since Freddy Mercury
I can see it in Mighty Morphen Clark's eyes. She knows.
Maybe it's more fun making it then watching it.
I doubt any of then know a single thing about LotR. To them, it's just the typical Hollywood slop. To us, it's an affront.
Tolkien was not a racist. He wanted to create a mythology for ancient England. So yeah, there were no blacks there then, and orcs are corrupted elves and humans; not black people. You can learn this in 15 minutes by reading about Tolkien so someone writing an article about it is insane.
Precisely
He did initially decide to make a mythology for England but in interviewing the late 1960s he mentioned shifting directions. Moreover
He drew ideas from historical realism: people assume the Rohirrim are Anglo Saxons but since they didn’t have a horse culture, they’re clearly inspired also by peoples of the Eastern Steppe.
Numenoreans were inspired by ancient Egyptians.
Why can’t people accept that his work isn’t allegorical? That it is an algebraic fantasy worked inspired by but not our world? Tolkien cares far more about the takeaway message of his work than identity politics. Nothing about this man tells me he would jump on Twitter and complain about how the Silvan Elves weren’t Asiatic.
People default imagine characters in their own image. That’s not the same as making it important. Hence in Asia Jesus is often depicted as Asian even though he wasn’t. But Galadriel does need to have blond hair because it’s relevant to the plot, so it makes sense for her and her kin to be white.
What’s stupid about how Rings of Power treats race is blind racial casting and making diversity look like modern SoCal. Outside of major metropolitan areas, people exist in their racial/ethnic groups. I don’t care that Miriel is Black - we have no idea who her mother was or come from. She could have come from a lineage dating back to Numenorean colonization. What’s stupid is how dark she is for having white father and how there are like no other black in her court. Naturally a powerful person surrounds themselves with family
@@AliciatheCho I MIND THAT THEY CAST MIRIEL BEING BLACK LIKE FROM WHERE!!!!!!!!! NUMENOREANS WERE THE UBER MEN OF ARDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@goodputin4324it bothers me more that the Numenorians are so diverse. Same for the Harfoots. Aren't they living in a secluded community for centuries with no outside influence whatsoever? They should have developed into a homogeneous group of people by then. That's how a restricted genepool works.
I continue to be amazed that people promote the idea orcs were ever meant to be black people. It’s like someone thought orcs reminded them of black people, and instead of pausing to interrogate that line of thinking, they decided it must be a global problem. They could have walked all the way through their reasoning, dealt with the shame they stirred up, and never needed to speak a word of it.
Still bugs me how the elves in this show look. In lord of the rings and the hobbit, they looked perfect. In this show the elves just look like average looking humans with pointy ears,celebrimbor is played by an old guy, and the king looks like a fat peasant compared to thranduil.
Comparing Lee Pace's Thranduil to Amazon cosplayers is the definition of a curb-stomp.
I don't mind the looks, they could look like big snails for me if they would act like elves in any way...
It's actuallt worse when you realize this era was supposed to be where elves were still at their hight when in LOTR they were a waining people. But by comparison it looks like they will be more magical and special in the future instead.
You say that, yet they had Hugo Weaving as an elf. You can't tell me he looked like an elf...
@@MrHestolemyname Half elf who chose his elven nature.
"The problem isn't that little Timmy can't read. It isn't even that little Timmy can't think. He doesn't even know what thinking is. He mistakes it for feeling." -Thomas Sowell
GREAT AITEORI SKIP RINGS OF POWER SEASON TWO AND DUMDEST EIF CHARACTERS.
He mistaking it for feeling because understanding IS feeling 👀ツ
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That's why most people can be wrong & feel they are right, because they understood
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Hecarim420cringe
These Writers made this with only Feelings and nothing else cuz being Rational means you are their enemy. Having a working Mind is against their ideology.
@@Hecarim420yikes
"Rings of Power" is to the Silmarillion and LOTR what "Velma" is to classic Scooby-Doo.
Great comparison
i get the point, but i'd actually unironically argue that its worse.
honest opinion.
at least scooby doo isn't a franchise known and loved worldwide, its just a saturday cartoons tier show.
i'd say that reason alone makes the stinger go even deeper.
That’s unfair to Rings of Power. I can watch RoP without feeling like I need to scrub my brain with bleach. I see what you’re saying, though.
It's much worse than that. Because, Scooby Doo is just a funny cartoon.
Lord of the Rings isn't just another fantasy. It's not just another book. It's not Harry Potter or The Witcher. Lord of the Rings is a global cultural legacy, a seminal work that completely changed the genre. It's the bible of the fantasy genre.
I have to agree with the idea that RoP is a worse crime than Velma.
Your drawing attention to his lack of sideburns has made me incapable of NOT zooming in on their absence every time he's on screen now.
Thanks Alteori, you've cursed me.
I'm sorry 😂
Omg it's so noticable I dunno how you can look at anything else 😂
He looks like he plays first base for the Springfield nuclear plant.
Cannot unseeee
@@sharksbreath7 😭😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣 you have me cracking up in my car OMG!!! People are looking at me funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OH MAN IM CRYING
So... for those who don't know the lore, here's a taster of how far it's veered. in the original stories:
* The definitive 3 Elven rings were forged last, after all the other rings
* Celebrimbor forged the last 3 elven rings completely alone after Sauron (in the form of Annatar) had left Eregion to return to Mordor
* The elves only ever made rings for elves. The ones given to men and dwarves were done so by Sauron after he took them from the elves and considered his plan to control them via the rings a failure
* The rings don't corrupt normally. The only one that does this by default is the one ring and it was forged to connect to and corrupt the other ring users (which only works because the rings use some techniques that Sauron provided that also act as the backdoor for this domination)
* Galadriel was one of the tallest elf women at 6'4" and would've almost stood eye to eye with the male elves (which were generall about 6'6")
* From even an early age, her magic allowed her insight into other people's minds and there are some tales that she was able to communicate with others over vast distances
* She learned magic and other things from 2 gods in the undying lands before she even came to middle earth so she would have no need to swing a sword.
** On a fun note, one of those 2 tutors was Aule: the Valar who created the dwarves :P
* 200 years before Sauron appeared in any real way, she had a daughter, Celebrian, with her husband Celeborn
* During the stirrings of Sauron's first appearances, she moved to Eregion with her hubby and foiled his initial plans
* Sauron turned up as Annatar 700 years later and Galadriel immediately distrusted him and warned others not to deal with him, stating he was not someone who had trained with Aule (the valor associated with crafting who created the dwarves and who'd she'd been taught by)
** Ironically she's both right and wrong... Annatar was obviously not a real person which is why she didn't recognise him during her time with Aule, but Sauron was at one time Mairon: essentially a spirit helper or angel, if you like, of Aule :o
* Annatar couldn't move against Galadriel so he poisoned Celebrimbor and his followers against her instead, eventually leading to her being forced to leave. She went through Khazad-dum with her daughter to Lorinand but her husband didn't come with her (he really wasn't fond of dwarves and didn't want to travel through their realm :P )
* The one ring was forged 200 years after her being forced out of Eregion and Celebrimbor came to her seeking counsel. They couldn't work out how to destroy the rings so she instead instructed him to hide them... at which point Celebrimbor gave her Nenya, the white ring.
Instead we get the 3 elven rings forged first and a midget Galadriel who doesn't use magic, is vulnerable to Sauron and who's husband is just presumed dead for nonsensical shipping reasons... oh and we don't mention her daughter :P She also gets her ring in this version because it fell down some stairs and she was at the bottom of them.
Minor issue: Galadriel's husband is Celeborn, not Celebrimbor. Confusingly similar names, I know.
@@Ry9022 haha, yeah, was proofreading it a bit later and realised I'd typed that. Fixed now XD
@@Ry9022 It may as well be Celebrimbor given ROP's hodgepodge approach to lore and character consistency. I can't help but think ROP's exclusion of Celeborn was motivated by "shipping" or the idea that Celeborn would taint Galadriel's "girl boss" image. I mean, all of season 2's directors were female, so the showrunners' certainly wanted a more modern approach to the portrayal of women. It's too bad that classic femininity had to be sacrificed - and not just with Galadriel but every female character. They're all overly headstrong. During the Southlands battle episodes, Galadriel, Miriel, and Bronwyn were barely distinguishable. Once I saw Galadriel being a fighter and commander in the trailers, I knew lore went out the window. Galadriel was already very powerful in the books but the writers needed her to be powerful in hand-to-hand combat as well, which is the cheap and easy way to show her power. Just make her a bloke, basically. Subtlety is beyond the writers' ability.
Exactly right. As the chapter 'The Shibboleth of Fëanor' describes Galadriel: "From her earliest years she had a marvellous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her good will from none save only Fëanor." RoP completely goes against her character as Tolkien wrote it and turns her into the opposite.
re: Galadriel vulnerable to Sauron - there is also that statement by Elrond that Elves may fear Sauron or flee from him, but will never listen to him again. - Not that I expect the authors to actually know their Tolkien well enough to be aware that they are directly contradicting him here, but it's kind of comic.
Yooo, the actor for Elrond said "How do I better portray Hugo Weavings version" and studied tapes of Agent Smith. Dude stood on business in that Galadriel scene lol
Galandriel was the commander of the northern army? She couldn't even command 12 guys who were massacred by a snow troll.
Yeah that season 1 scene was so trash. The other Elves got smashed and she just girl bossed the ice troll. That scene is why I stopped watching this trash. It showed me all I needed to see.
EXCELLENT WORK. AITEORI SKIP WOKE HOT 🔥 GARBAGE DISASTER IS THE RINGS OF POWER SEASON TWO 😈😈😈☠️😈😈😈👎👎👎👎😈😈😈☠️😈
She was also sent away to paradise and so a new commander should have been apointed. Even in the best case she should not be a commander at all at this point.
@@josemgarcia141 depending the body count of the show i thought those 12 people were the northern army, and they all have been sent to Valinor...
@josemgarcia141 yeah.. the insistent reminders that she is "commander of the Northern army" is just obnoxious.
1. Her leadership ability has been VERY poorly represented.
2. All the elves would be very aware of her position. Galadriel is a living legend, even in the second age. Who are you reminding?
I am usually fairly forgiving over mediocre writing, but this show is just out of context book quotes and bad filler.
Just to clarify the power dynamics between the elves, Gil Galad is either Galadriel's nephew or great nephew, Galadriel should have a husband and been married for roughly 2000 years assuming this show takes place toward the beginning of the second age given it is about Sauron's rise to power. But, because Isildur is alive, the show has to take place within the last 200 years of the second age meaning not only should Galadriel and Celeborn have a daughter; she should be married to Elrond. The way these characters interact with each other feels out of line with what the relationships are supposed to be.
counterargument: they dont gaf about the actual story as it was written ....
It's fanfiction. Just like Disney Star Wars. 🤗
They fired the Tolkien expert for pointing out things that didn't make sense somewhere during production
@@Tony_409Wait, really? Seriously?
… I can’t. I can’t. I won’t. That’s so stupid that I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around it. You hired someone for lore keeping, they pointed out that what you’re doing is making no sense and your reaction is to fire them?
I just….
Also Celebrimbor is suppose to be the friends of the dwarves not Elrond, He's also Galadriel's companion, no? Yet they have him act like a frumpy Grandpa when he's younger and her as the angsty teenager despite being what nearly several thousand years old. This show is messed up on so many levels.
I hate so much that they try to "Ship" Galadriel with anyone... Not only is she alredy married it seems they imply that even Elrond has feelings for her and thats some twilight bullshit... Bro Elrond will marry her Daughter!
But the Actor for Elrond and the Dwarfen are the only reddeming element in this Show.
In this Episode iwas rooting for Elrond so freakin hard
Galadriel had a daughter? Nope, girlbosses can´t have children, she will probably adopt orc baby
In order for Elrond to marry her daughter, her daughter has to exist, and I've seen no evidence so far that P&M are even aware that she's supposed to have a daughter.
Something tells me they know nothing about the lore I mean... in this show Elrond looks like the older wiser mentor to Galadriel.
But he is supposed to become her son in law so... pretty sure Galadriel is supposed to be older and a mentor figure to HIM.
@@MoonPhantom and celebrimbor is an old man while far Younger then galadriel xD
If they wanted to ship someone so bad, why not have her daughter take her spot? We know very little about her, it would work better. I know the answer is that people know who Galadriel is, not Celebrian, but the choice makes clear where the writers' priorities are, and it's not in staying true to the source material.
Everyone: “Sauron could be anyone”
Also Everyone: “hello new friends that look alike want to craft the ultimate weapon?”
It's pronounced saurrrrron apparently?
@@ClintonBeaver-dc4mj I think you forgot several R’s
Hearing Alteori going feral over Elrond just ripping Whoradriel a new one just made my day. Keep being you.
I only find one positive thing about this show: I've discovered so many amazing channels, much like yours. Thank you for so many laughs.
Gil Galad seems to reward Betrayal and incompetence, Galadirel tried to suck off Sauron and lied about it so she gets a ring of power. And Elrond disobeyed his king by trying to destroy the rings so he's promoted to team leader
😅😅😅
The show could have saved itself if they had sung the right song to the mountain...
"I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole -- diggy diggy hole..."
Heigh ho!
Sassy Elrond is the only good thing to come out of this episode and best of all he MERELY IS USING THE TRUTH. I can see a bit of the badass that went and made Rivendel.
RIGHT!!!! The satisfaction!
except we have no idea how elrond got custody of the 3 rings, or how he learned that Habrand was a fake. The most important events for his character occurred offscreen.
except we have no idea how elrond got custody of the 3 rings, or how he learned that Habrand was a fake. The most important events for his character occurred offscreen.
I don't believe these people were chosen for this. It's not just unfaithful to the source material. It's a desecration.
Of course it's a desecration. It's intentional. Destruction of culture and history is a huge part of Demoralization.
Amazon: encountering Sauron once makes you more susceptible to his deception.
Meanwhile, Tolkien: "The Elves may fear the Dark Lord, and they may fly before him, but NEVER AGAIN WILL THEY LISTEN TO HIM OR SERVE HIM"
OG Galadriel in Peter Jackson said that Elves are Immortal *WISEST* and Fairest of all beings.
Guess Amazon's dumbness infected them 🤣
Not in this lmao
I'm just waiting for the dumb blonde laugh. On second thought, I'm never going to watch the show so forget it.
I mean to be true, Galadriel says that about her own race. I doubt she'd say "Yo, we dumb as fuck lmao" there.
But yeah, ROP is just SA of LOTR.
Amazon and Hollywood
The trees are still around, meaning they are the light of the world and there is no Sun yet and despite that, old man elf says that a singer had a voice that could make the Sun weep tears of fire... How does he friggin know of something that doesn't even exist yet? This show is retarded... I don't know where shows find their writers lately but everything is getting dumber and dumber. The younger generations can't think, they have no imagination for they have been so filled with dogma and agenda that they can't understand anything else...
Dumb people can't write clever characters. And they never will.
...that means I can get a job as a writer for this show!
Dumb cannot create...
I love the fact that the Elves of LotR trilogy are beautiful, look ageless and are almost feminine in their beauty.
These elves look like middle aged fathers who enjoy beer nuts and football.
😂😂😂
Literally just normal people with pointy ears and wigs
Usually in fantasy games, books, movies, etc elves are showed like this almost godlike magic race with tremendous wisdom, skills and dignity. This show elves ... are not like that at all, at least not the ones in the spotlight, but they sure seem to think that they are, and dont you dare say otherwise or they throw a tamtrum
Tolkien's elves are even beyond that. Because usually in fantasy races share “specialties”, like Dwarves are the best blacksmiths. But Tolkien's elves are the best blacksmiths. And they're the best warriors. And the best architects. And they're the wisest. And the most beautiful.
Eru's original intention was for humans to acquire something the elves lacked. But the humans were corrupted by Melkor as soon as they appeared in Arda.
I'm glad I am not the only one who thought elron was talking to Galadriel as if he were reading one of those spicy romance novels for house wives 😂😂😂
You've heard of High Elves well these must be the new 'Low Elves'.
Even "under elves" are more interesting (apparently a slur for Drow I heard someone use in Baldur's Gate III haha).
This show is awful in a way that future script writers will use it as a "do not" guide.
Did you notice that Galadriel tries to speak without moving her lips? It is unsettling
She seems to have an expressionless face. Like she was injected with Botox
Maybe they thought the part in LotR where she talks to Frodo telepathically was just her using ventriloquism skills she picked up in the second age 😂
Rings of Power Middle Earth is an alternate universe the prime universe elves have nightmares of.
Also, I never paid attention that GG has no sideburns and now I'm hyper-focused on it whenever he is on screen. Thanks for that, Alteori. 🤣
ROP does not understand dwarfs they would have no opening in the mountain acting like windows as they are a weakness you can be attacked from Dwarthen cities were about defence. They imported most of their food, and there were also edible roots that could be cultivated underground (Earth-bread). They may also have had farms on the surface, Tolkien never said anything about that. Galadriel at this moment is time is supposed to be the second eldest elf plus married with a kid. Her power should be already in use without the need for the elven ring she studied with the gods who taught her thier wisdom.
This show is hot garbage, but Dwarven halls do indeed have windows for light and air:
"[Gandalf said] 'There used to be great windows on the mountain-side, and shafts leading out to the light in the upper reaches of the Mines.' " -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark
"[Gandalf said] 'Let us go towards that light in the north door. If we could find a window it would help, but I fear that the light comes only down deep shafts.' " -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark
"The chamber was lit by a wide shaft high in the further eastern wall; it slanted upwards and, far above, a small square patch of blue sky could be seen." -TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, A Journey in the Dark (granted, this one is a shaft not a full window, but still it is an opening to the outside)
"They ran on. The light grew before them; great shafts pierced the roof. They ran swifter. They passed into a hall, bright with daylight from its high windows in the east." --TLotR, Fellowship of the Ring, The Bridge of Khazad-dûm
Although I would imagine that these windows would be cut in inaccessible places like high up cliff faces.
5:55 it’s a Star Trek thing. Someone will say something like “we need to refocus the hypercombobulators to re-energize the thingy” And then someone else will say “Like putting air in a balloon!”
"It does not take the eye of a needle to see that your thoughts have flown far afeild"
DaFuq you mean by that no sideburns guy?!
"Lack of diversity" just means "it wasn't all about black people" at this point.
And then proceed to ignore the gold mine that is African folklore and mythology.
Still waiting on Ananse and Mami Wata movies ...
@@RoseBagginsWhile telling us the world's too Eurocentric. Then write something else!
The orcs were inspired by the fear of war and corruption and evil, they didn't symbolise a race....... like srsly..... XD
Those white women talking about "racist orcs" is quite literally everything wrong with western society. Those two women. They're perfect examples.
Good review.
Dunno about everything, but a good example of some of it
They're highlighting their own racism. Most who look at orcs and goblins aren't comparing them to real world ethnicities.
Honestly, if Tolkien meant to describe orcs as looking African, it would've been obvious. He had no reason to hide it back then. He does say that orcs are a result of corruption of the existing elf/human population, which would suggest they were white before they got corrupted...so way to tell on yourselves by basically saying black people are corrupted or dirty versions of white people. 😬
And hell I didn't know or care who played the scary Uruk Hai commander or what he actually looked like, because I liked the immersion of seeing the Uruk Hai, not the guy under the amazing practical effects makeup job. They even covered up his actual skin color with body paint, so if they were trying to make "black/brown man = villain", they did a terrible job.
Written so poorly that it´s intentional because the writers hate characters they dont want in the story.
Generally speaking it’s extremely difficult to write a competent and extremely intelligent character without being very intelligent yourself since regardless of how the character is portrayed they are still limited to solutions the incompetent author can come up with.
Well I mean... while that is true. I fear these writers take this to an extreme, why they don't just hire any random million selling fantasy author is beyond me. I'm sure plenty would jump at the chance but no we get the two who had a rejected Star trek film script.
@@MajorSmurf "Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.
The same applies when you are stupid."
Ricky Gervais
There is a way to give the illusion of a more intelligent character by compressing the amount of time the writer took to work out the solution to a few "in story" minutes/moments, and then making sure all the clues are in the preceding scenes.
But that requires thought, and editing.
@@adamjenkins7653 true but even with that method characters are still bound by what solutions the author can come up with even if the author gives him/herself more time to think of solutions than the characters.
@@akselbuch this, and it requires a degree of skill/intelligence to leave hints for the reader, or even think to leave hints for the reader
This is sad today. To compare. Elrond was amazing as leader and elf. He showed wisdom and intelligence. Hugo did well depicting how the long years, success and failures developed him into who he was. He was flawed too sometimes not always believing in paths, but he always tried to do right. This is sad travesty from where LOTR took us. This show is utter nonsense.
"Commodified fantasy takes no risks: it invents nothing, but imitates and trivializes. It proceeds by depriving the old stories of their intellectual and ethical complexity, turning their action to violence, their actors to dolls, and their truth-telling to sentimental platitude. Heroes brandish their swords, lasers, wands, as mechanically as combine harvesters, reaping profits. Profoundly disturbing moral choices are sanitized, made cute, made safe. The passionately conceived idea of the great storytellers are copied, stereotyped, reduced to toys, molded in bright-colored plastic, advertised, sold, broken, junked, replaceable, interchangeable." -Ursula K. LeGuin
Cheating on Alteori is like p00ping into a Lamborghini.
Elf and Intelligence are two words that should not be in the same sentence. BUT, even I as a biased dwarf felt sorry for how bad my pointy eared tree lovers were portayed in this show.
And as a biased elf, I feel sorry our vertically challenged friends never got the bearded dwarf women they were promised by the Jackson films
"I ain't sayin she's a mithril digger, but she ain't messin with no broke miner"
Aren’t they supposed to speak “Elvish” not “Walmart Shakespeare” 😅
Well, they can often speak other languages too, but yes, their main language should be elvish
It's a nitpick but wouldn't they just speak elvish when they are speaking amongst only elves?
@@ClintonBeaver-dc4mj That’s what I’m saying. Was I also typing in “Walmart Shakespeare” too??
-I thought I was clear…. 😜
@@luster5497 naw man I was speaking salvation army Shakespeare I'm trying to get that Amazon 💰
You are correct that the 3 elven rings are not corrupt in the original story. It's actually a pretty gross change they've made. It's kind of the whole point of the three that they were made without Sauron's involvement and thus are free of his corrupting influence. They also don't exert any kind of control or domination over living things. Only the One Ring can do that. And it can do that because Sauron poured HIS will to dominate into it, during its forging. But here's the thing. Even the One Ring, cannot dominate the wills of random living things. It dominates the will of its bearer, if that bearer isn't Sauron. And through the One ring, Sauron can dominate the wills of the 9 human ring bearers. In theory, he's supposed to be able to dominate the wills of the 7 dwarven ring bearers, but it doesn't work because Dwarves were made by Aule to specifically resist the will of darkness.
All of this matters, because if the magic rings let you dominate others, then Elrond could have just commanded Isildur to throw the One ring into The Cracks of Doom. Frodo could have just commanded the Orcs and Shelob to let them pass. Giving the rings of power this ability completely breaks the entire story of Lord of the Rings.
Elrond and Galadriel talk and Alteori giggling over it was the best part of all this xD
This "version" of Tolkien's elves lacks everything that comes with age: wisdom, tempered passions, discernment etc. They are reduced to men with pointy ears who dabble in middle school poetry.
The guy who played the Uruk-Hi also played the Witch king of Angmar 😎
Manu Bennett?
These elves are as smart as the writers.
Which is to say, not very bright.
Even with Alteori here this is still hard to watch.
This really just isn't middle earth how does the history and Lore get so lost and messed up.
LOVE your long form takes! See so many 17 minute vids on these episodes.This terrible dialogue & plots deserve deeper breakdown as much of the time it doesn’t make sense! You said, “there’s a lot going on”. Problem is most of it leads to NOTHING. Thanks for all the fun.
As some doppler once told some elf in Witcher 3:
"Now piss off to the woods, go play your flute!"
they Never stop going on about her being the commander of the northern army. they reinforce it Every chance they get... ._. xD
The whole leader and power thing those people keep harping about.
“Any man who must say I am king is no true king.” - Tywin Lannister.
Tolkien grew up in South Africa, so he was familiar with a lot of different cultures. The reason Lord of the Rings is so white is because he wanted a mythology for England. He noticed how so many other cultures had their own mythologies for how their countries and cultures came to be, by England didn't. The history of Middle Earth was meant to be a mythology for England. That's why it was so white and also why it's so insulting that modern people insist on changing the ethnicities of the people. It's not just a fun story; it was written with specific meaning for a particular culture.
England didn’t have a mythology? King Arthur would like a word
@justinbowers2749 I can't speak for Tolkien; I can just repeat what he's said. On this topic, I would guess that the response would be that King Arthur is an historical figure, not a mythological one. Sure, there are plenty of myths and legends surrounding his history, but it's still history.
@@justinbowers2749 To add a little note but King Arthur myths are technically speaking French. They are a repurposed version of the French Twelve paladins of Charlemagne. Hell most of the Arthurian tales you know were originally written in French, it took several centuries before they were added to and seen as English. A lot of our true native mythology was lost, because England was invaded so many times that native cultures and traditions just died out and we became more of a Hodge podge of other European cultures. England is a bizarre case of a country when you deep dive into history.
Saying that he "grew up in South Africa" is a bit of a stretch. He lived there until he was 4 and then moved to England permanently. A 4 years old hardly gets familiar with many different cultures, and he's also not grown up.
Exactly. Tolkien wanted to create what he referred to as a Celtic story and mythology so for the RoP to shoehorn races into it that never existed is ridiculous and as insulting as the cultural appropriation RoP shills complain about.
Someone once told me that he's hopeful that Rings of Power would convince more people to read the books. The problem with that is, if anyone who is introduced to Tolkien through this show ever does actually read the books, they're going to be thoroughly confused, because the show bears so little resemblance to anything that Tolkien wrote. They're going to wonder why there's no mention of the Istari in the Second Age; why Galadriel's role is so minimal; why there's no indication that Galadriel and Sauron even knew each other, let alone had a relationship; why there's so much focus on the rise and fall of Numenor; and many other things besides. And the person who is introduced to the books through this show is going to come away with one of two conclusions: 1) That Payne and MacKay are hacks who had no business adapting Tolkien's work; or 2) that Tolkien was an inferior writer and that we should all be on our knees thanking these chucklefucks for "correcting" his oversights.
> if anyone who is introduced to Tolkien through this show ever does actually read the books, they're going to be thoroughly confused, because the show bears so little resemblance to anything that Tolkien wrote
I feel better now.
I "watched" the show through reviewers like Alteori, Disparu, Liene's Library, Random Film Talk. And hearing what they were reviewing was so disgusting, I went to a non-Amazon bookstore, bought all the books I'd never read as a kid and started my Tolkien reading journey, pausing only to flip the middle finger at Payne and McKay's garbage.
@@troffle You sir/madam are a savage I salute you.
Don't forget that Galadriel was probably the most distrustful person of Annatar.
@@troffle alright, welcome to the Tolkien reading club!! How are you liking it so far? Who's your favorite character?
@@troffleDuring the first season, I tweeted to Amazon Prime that the Rings of Power inspired me to go back and reread all of Tolkien's works, and to buy new copies of them.
I mentioned that after seeing so many differing versions, such as the anniversary edition, collector editions, and illustrated editions, that I ended up getting multiple copies of each of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion because I just couldn't decide.
I told them that I ended up spending quite a bit of money on ordering them from...................Barnes and Nobles, and not from them, and that they can suck it 😂😂😂
(Best use of twitter ever imo 🤣)
Remember, this is an actual line in the show - "He deceived me."
This line comes from literally the only character who was never deceived, from the character that ALWAYS KNEW Annatar was AMONG US!
Galadriel: b*tch is sus af
It s fucking hilarious that Alteori and Disparu are making the same joke.....
@@diegokaqui60 what joke
"YOU ARE THE PLEASER NOT THE PLEASEIE"🤣 Gold
Sauron is the Lord of the Rings. - One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. I'm so glad I've yet to give Amazon a single cent though, I doubt I'm going to start any time soon either.
23:32 the fact that you’re picking up on “chemistry” from them is icky once you learn that Elrond marries Galadriel’s daughter Celebrian! 😝
The thing that annoys me most about the people who call themselves fighting for and pushing for diversity in everything. Is that they don’t support or highlight works by black, brown, and Asian creators. They will support and make literal smut and abuse trend, but are nowhere to be seen when its a work by a black, brown or Asian.
Or if it is, they'll attack it. At least, I think Wukong involved some Chinese devs (I don't know much about that game)
I think what's more aggregious is the fact that diversity of thought/world view is far more important than diversity of skin-deep characteristics, and they absolutely will not stand for differing opinions or views. That's the kind of diversity that actually does make a group stronger.
@@SammaclauseGamgee I agree with that as well. I still think it’s important to show that with people of different races because we are not a monolith. Too often today the same group think or stereotypes are shown using the skin of people of color. Of course the diversity of thought and race being properly done where it makes sense and fits should be shown.
I was wondering about that fucking 'RRR', because they pronounciate it only with names but the next word is just a normal r. Like: "rest assured, CelebRimboRRR and the secrets of his craft are safe" . Thats a hell of a lot of RRRR's to skip if that is the way you talk. It makes it feel so fake
Elrond was COOKING that scene
reaction so good to it "why am i sweating" LMAO
Another thing that is a glaring difference between Amazon's Ring of Power compared to the movies and books is the fact that the Elven Rings in both the books and movies were made after Sauron made the One Ring and was done without Sauron knowing.
Edit: Interesting how the one elf seems to be talking about criticizing things people make, yet the people making the show lose their minds when anyone makes any kind of criticism about Rings of Power.
No, I thing they were not.
Tolkien wrote that he didn’t ascribe to racism. Look up his responses to questions/letters written to him that did try to paint his works in that light. I’m sure he wasn’t perfect but the shite people try to put on him is disgusting.
Your little fox is so cute by the way
Thanks 🦊
btw, Alteori, "The Lord Of The RIngs" refers to Sauron.
he is responsible for all the rings creation, and even in the films Gandalf even to Saruman "There is only one lord of the ring. Only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power" before he makes his escape from the tower Saruman locked him on top of (he gets picked up by one of the eagles).
so yeah, it is pretty clearly cut with no doubt that the title does in fact refer to Sauron.
Just to remind you Disa was the one last season that went all Worm Tongue and talked about doing things against the king’s wishes.
The rolled or trilled 'r's are about the only authentic thing. It's spelled out in Appendix E. Tolkien rolls his 'r's in various recordings.
I wonder how long it took them to master. It's just confusing because some of them don't roll the R's and then some of them do for the same words.
Good to know
The funny thing is Olorin really didn't mind the name thing that much. Yknow given the fact that he adopted plenty of names like
Gandalf
Mithrandir
Tharkun
Incanuz
Graymane
And I'm guessing plenty of other names throughout the years and places.
I am this close to getting arrested when people tell me a work is bad because certain characters are "coded."
You have basically described my now ex-friend who has left his perfect wife for fuck knows what. Damn, in the end he just become clear mind incompatible. And I always though he is a good guy even though he was passive aggressive and enough weird to say "that dude is weird". Who cares if you were a good fried for a long time when the dude doesn't appreciate his own wife
@Alteori I had an ex cheat on me and 6 months after I left I her I ran into her at a store and she walks up and says, "I really messed up didn't I? Like no phuck you messed up that's why I left your sorry A$$. She was in shock that I said that and kept on walking. It was hilarious lol
I've been cheated on a few times as well so I fully understand that feeling. It's such a good feeling when you tell the cheater off and to kick rocks.
RIGHT!!!! Bet you felt like a million dollars
@Alteori Absolutely! It took everything in me not to laugh tho. Her face was just pure shock, "like damn that didn't go how I thought it would."
I had been watching Jackson's trilogy on Prime, I am contributing to the views to help increase it over the failing views of the Amazon Original. Best way to protest this show.
Also Alteori have you heard of Dragon Goes House Hunting? It's anime starring a young dragon looking for his own place after his father kicks him out after he fell asleep as poachers stole his sibling's egg.
For as much as they didn't want Peter Jackson involved in this project, they sure did rip him off a lot.
*BRING OUT THE HIMBOS!*
(I tried, but couldn't watch this series, so I'll just leave it here.)
Yes, they're trying to retcon the one rings influence to simply be Sauron was involved in the process, maybe? But what the shipwright says is what Gandalf warns against in LotR's; even if you try to wield Sauron's power to manipulate and dominate "for good," the end result is still evil. Which is even more true if you believe in free will.
If you want an example of how much of an amazing person Tolkien was. Look up the letter the german government sent him when they were trying to localize it. His response was insulting their ideology of the time.
They had to drastically lower the intelligence of the elves, because otherwise the show wouldn't have made it past the first episode.
These characters can only be smart in relation to how good the screenwriters are at writing....so, very little.
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien
They made Elrond the leader so they can humiliate him and make her look good to take charge from him later.
The issue with Círdan's message is that it has nothing to do with the issue at hand: the Rings aren't just a matter of art, it doesn't matter whether or not the creator was flawless or not. The actual issue is that they could be tools that can have devastating effects, and they don't know yet, and that's completely independent on who actually created them. So the comparison to a drunk guy writing verses is absolutely nonsense and it shouldn't have convinced Elrond of anything. ESPECIALLY when Círdan then demonstrates how easy he can control another living being to end its life. It's an absolutely dumb argument. 🙃
I believe her husband is still alive. Celeborn needs to step up.
Elrond is sassy af this season, and I’m loving it 😂
Elrond being the chad elf of this season!
Is it just me, or does that blonde-bald guy talking with Elrond@32:14 look like Daniel Craig? Or if Daniel Craig & Patrick Stewart had a baby...
"The Sindar Elves in Beleriand called Sauron Gorthaur, meaning "dread abomination", while others of the Eldar had named him Sauron, meaning "the abhorred" or "the abominable" (a mockery of his original name, Mairon)" -from The One Wiki To Rule Them All
They were not aware that Sauron is shapeshifter? In First Age, there were many times Sauron used this, maybe his master did so too, to trick and fight.
Sauron is also lord to Werewolfs and Vampires, having also seen transforming between these two. HE WAS KNOWN FOR IT!
They forget both Mussolini with his fascism and Hitler with his nazism both sprung out of socialism. They are far left.
I confirm, though I wasn't cheated on, that when you see your ex and she tries so hard to say how you were the best thing that happened to her and she should have realised it before leaving you.... *chef kiss* hell yeah you make that amused face. Keep stroking my ego, but it ain't going nowhere other then having this in my core memories of satisfaction.
1:31 @Alteori! Why must we (🏴) catch strays like that!? 😭
Your Southern English accent is so bad it's great!! 🤣
😂
36:00 Alteori you are exactly like me with the forgetting what you were talking about and gettung sidetracked.
We got ADD dog im sorry to break the news to you.
Its the stupidest woke trope of not making sure things go right "itll be fine now lets stay put"
"What makes you think you a mortal can CAPTURE THE CONSUL OF ROME!!!"
cheers to those getting it.
That wasn't her taking accountability, that was "It was a mistake! He lied to me and used me! I'm the victim here!"
As the saying goes "The more hollow the can the louder the noise it makes".
Tolkien's line about "evil can only destroy" still rings true today.
The orcs could also be asocciated with the dark, as in the literal lack of light. Mordor? Shadowy place, the big battles? Mostly during either nighttime or is a place with little sun. Heck, in rings of power alone, its shown that they refuse to enter out into the sun, for some reason. So darkness as in metaphor, darkness as in lack of light, and darkness as in dark skinned, which really makes the most sense, and how would it even be racist anyway? They are literally seperated from the humans, elves, wizards ( can't remember the name of Tolkien's angels stand in), dwarves and what have you as their own entirely unique species of creature, so not even a stand in for any racial group really. Heck even the evil races arent alk the same either, and we already have evil humans in the series, both willingly and forced, so that doesn't even apply either.
There's a very simple reason for why darkness is associated with evil: all human children, universally, regardless of ethnicity, are afraid of the dark; and we retain that anxiety even into adulthood. Human eyes are poorly adapted for seeing in the dark -- we can't see what might be there with us. You might be lying in bed, with all your lights off, trying to go to sleep, and yes, you're *pretty sure* that you're alone, but there's always a chance that a tiger mihgt just randomly spawn under your bed.
Alteori's squiky laugh after making a logical point is what I subbed for, lmao.
cheers for bringing my lady and I endless entertainment!
"perrooooo....mordooor"
This was so abrupt and funny it made me crack up at three in the morning after waking from a terrible nightmare 😂
The showrunners seem to think rolling the "R" makes the characters more authentic or something. It's ridiculous.
lol when she zoomed in on the dudes messed up face. 10/10!