I'm in the USA. I need a car that will give me 150 miles of real world range. I don't care about all of the "extras", there not important to me. More battery, less crap!
Yes, I agree with you. I'd take roll up windows, and manual steering as well. Just AC, heater and a radio. Can't there be a choice for those who don't need an ipad on wheels?
Yes, simplicity is king. I love roll up windows. Don’t care about infotainment systems, automatic parking, etc. But I do need 150 miles of range- real world- because town is 47 miles away and I go there once a week. Want a little headroom in my range so that I can run around a little bit too. Space in the boot to put a full size guitar. At least level two charging capability. I’m in the USA.
@@halstead3962 Hal Stead Great points. I am fine with companies making cars with all the bells and whistles people want. But those things used to be options or not available on economy cars. It was the luxury cars that had lots of gadgets as standard. I don't want to pay for things I'm not ever going to use. Stuff that will eventually break and cost a mint to repair. Lets start a website: makesimplecars.org.
The electric mini will be priced below the cost of a new petrol mini. 2024/2025 will be when the up front cost will be the same for most vehicles, some before this time and some slightly later.
@@brittennz fair point, although I still think some people will be fine without the extras. Leather for example is nice to have although for most isn't a deal breaker. The heated seats/steering wheel could be for most thou. If they release another version of the electric mini with additional features after this one and at the same or slightly less cost then there will be almost no reason to get the petrol over the electric if mainly used/required as a city car.
@@Michael-qm5yc totally agree. I am one o these people. not commuting more than 50Km a day. living in a mailed climet country. never needed heated seats. Having said that, the highest trim cars are the most profitable ones. Tesla offered a 35KUS$ model 3 in the US and a lower cost one in Canada, but does not offer these trim level in Europe (fore now). Because high trim models are more profitably. the moment low trim car appears, it (partly) cannibalize the high trim level sales
Why? It takes over $2000 a year to fuel an ICE car but only $550 to fuel an EV. That $120 a month is the difference between a $25K ICE car(median average) and a $35k EV in payments. Why do the MSRP prices need to match when It costs so much less to fuel it and maintain it? Anyone who can do simple math can see the total cost already matches.
CurtisCT: that is the best analogy of the situation that I've heard yet, Chinese low or in this case no quality at European prices maybe Tesla will open up a auto plant in the United kingdom we can only hope so
@@marvinmontgomery1291 Check out the MG EV. It's already being sold in UK. The design is done at MG studio in UK and the car is made to MG UK specifications. It's rather a nice small electric SUV.
That is how the Japanese started with their cheap cars in the 70's, the Korean started with their cheap cars in the 80's. Now it is the Sino's turn. Look at where Honda, Hyundai is today.
Greg, that's old news! Go to Beijing, arriving at the new Beijing international Airport (just one of hundred new airports), ride a high-speed train, an electric city bus, look at the skylines of the big cities, and I guarantee, your jaw will drop. 90% of the "Westerners" have no idea about modern China.
Get rid of all the fancy crap like auto pilot and just put a big battery in it simple, I have to drive from Colchester to Edinburgh because I’m in the army so I need a long range car.
andrew christie I get angry when the manufacturers refer to cars like the Corse, Zoe and modern Mini as city cars. When a lot of us use them for long trips which they are perfectly capable of with a decent degree of comfort. We don’t need big saloons or whatever they want to market for longer journeys! But I do think cars like this one and Smart4two’s can be safely described as city cars. And why do manufacturers call sodding great 4x4’s urban cars!? We need Zoe’s, Corsa’s etc with 300 miles ranges. If they can produce an ID3 with 340 miles of range then getting a Corsa to do 300 is perfectly doable. And a Zoe sized estate would be handy. 😊
My jaw dropped at that price. I want an ev at a similar price that has a long range (ideally 200 miles on the motorway) and plenty of space. I’m not bothered about lots of tech.
Simple. I want a Hyundai Ionic with 80-100 miles more range under $25,000 (or its real world equivalent). I want a sedan (saloon)/hatchback, not an SUV, although according to the US manufacturers I'm the only one who does. I don't want all the Star Trek autopilot stuff. CarPlay/Android Auto is great, they don't need to duplicate all those features in the car itself, especially for an additional $40/month subscription (at least in the US). 100 mph+ top speed and under 6 sec. 0-60 times are for juveniles. They have no real world use. (Give me a 20-70 time - i.e. merging onto a freeway. THAT would be a useful number). And most importantly, but totally unrealistically, it must be available nationally in the US .
Give Tesla another 5 years and 3 more gigafatories with them selling 2-3 million cars a year and they will start looking at an under £20 000 car with everything in it that the other tesla cars have. Yes Elon has said a much cheaper car is coming eventually i suspect once they have factories going up in 12 months and all profits used to build new ones in more countries we will see tesla decimating all manufacturers on price and quality, well they are already the best quality as determined by bloomberg it is just price they need to lower by 80%
As a 75 year-old doing only about 5000 miles a year this car would be great. We mostly travel around our city, Bristol, and possibly up to say 50 miles away on odd occasions. If I could do that on one charge a week at a local supermarket it would definitely suit my needs. I don’t want to deny my kids £30,000 by buying a more upmarket car at my age. But I do want the opportunity to be part of the EV movement to reduce our city pollution. A smooth and silent ride with low maintenance and running costs would add to my delight.
Safety first and foremost is what I want out of an EV, then range so air bags are a must. For sub 10K I would not expect to get 200 miles, but I would want at least 110 miles in all weather and for it to charge to full in less than 4 hours from flat using level 2 charging. Three must be a battery management system to ensure the battery health! ( no air cooling!). Comfortable seats, some storage for at least 5 big bags for groceries or four carry on size bags and can fit an adult male that is 6ft 2 without hitting his head ( in our family the tallest person must be accommodated). Being able to plug in our Android phone for navigation, radio and weather is just fine. I would still want the car to last... we have to get away from being a throw it away society so I would want a 10 year battery warranty and expect the interior to last for at least that long before needing to change out the seats and floor mats. I say this because of how well my Prius has stood the test of time.
For me in the UK having a decent heat exchanger (energy efficient) heater is a must.... If I am warm & dry, with the windows not misting up I can forego most of the extra trimmings!
I would happily buy one now. The price is superb and most journeys in the UK are under 50 miles so this is what the markets needs. Extras are nice but they are making buying a new EV just to pricey.
70-75 mph max for dual carriageway/occasional motorway use. 120 miles range would be nice, we all need a little in reserve for when things don't go according to plan. And odd that it doesn't have the portrait center screen of the new Zoe/Clio. But I'd just need screen mirroring to use sat nav/hands-free from my phone. Maybe a DAB radio. Definitely LED lights, heat exchange heater, preheat. Fast charging minimum of 22kWh AC and 50kWh DC. The option of heated seats/steering wheel. Split fold rear seat. And I'd like to say its about time Renault upgraded the Twizzy. Bigger battery, better performance, faster charging. Factory option for windows that aren't a faff. And a heater or heated seats/steering wheel. And cheaper battery rental and an option to buy battery outright.
Pizza/Lift/Uber/Medical transport/carrier service are all a huge market and require 160 miles of range. That's why so many cars are coming out with ~230 miles of range(230 x 0.7 = 160) and 70% battery degradation warranties.
My first Leaf had less battery, but was an excellent run about. The football, scouting, shopping, commute. Our poor ICE car kept the weeds down on the drive unless we were off to the mother-in-law's. I don't live in a city either. Range is not all. Once a car enters the market at this price, it will bring others and silence the argument about EVs being expensive. Why does every EV have to be top spec, stuffed with toys?
Exactly the case here, our Leaf gets all of the heavy use and our Golf.. it gets used so infrequently that when we do go to drive it it makes grinding noises down our street as the rust scrapes off the brake discs.
They are stuffed with toys because much of the tech behind the toys has to be there anyway, it doesn't cost much more to do it. I agree range is not all, I think 160-180 miles is all anyone needs and hopefully we will start seeing more cheap cars in this range. Hardly anyone needs a 300 mile EV. People cannot stop thinking about public stations as the only way to fuel a car. Getting housing complexes to install chargers would be a big help
EVs have to be top spec because when they were offered as glorified golf carts in the 1970s nobody bought them. When flat screen TVs first came out they were more expensive than CRTs too. If you want a range even half as big as an ICE vehicle, you have to pay more because a battery pack that big costs more than an internal combustion engine. Battery prices will come down in the next few years to the point that an EV can beat an ICEV on price.
@@dlwatib Battery production costs are forecast to drop below $100 US per kWh within a few months. That's only $4,000 for a 40kWh battery ample for a genuine all-season range of 200 miles/320km in a small car. I wold gladly pay an extra couple of thousand pounds/dollars for another 15kWh of usable storage. You would be very hard pressed to buy an engine with similar power plus all of its ancillary equipment and fluids, and then to run it for a few years for less than $4,000 plus the cost of an electric motor and all of its ancillary components and electricity.
This is a great idea. I think a second car that can go 100-200 km on a charge would be fine as a second with another that is long range for the longer trips.
Just imagine the sales of this in China. It’s a form of transport which doesn’t use fossil fuels, and it brings an affordable EV car to the masses. If it has room for 4 adults (stretch it a bit), that would increase the potential audience (coming soon?). In short order, there will be better, more expensive competitors for this, but for now, the price for this one is amazing. This will have all of the OEMs looking for ways they can close the gap between their current offerings in the 30-45k EV price tag - and what this car has to offer. Find that happy medium which will see 1 million EV sales per year - in the rest of the world!
they don't want 1 million EV sales per year. They are making over $2 million a DAY stalling on EVs. Every singe DAY the ICE car stays on top, the auto industry make an extra $2.1 million and the oil industry makes $2.4 Billion
Incorrect - any decent 2020 EV will not have its battery changed ever. More likely stripped for utility energy storage at cars high mileage scrap time . You just need the 7/8 year warranty that most come with. Tesla has increased the range via a software update after seeing that they have been over cautious with looking after the battery charging. Expect 90% capacity at 100K+ miles to be the norm.
The Renault City K-ZE is exactly what we need starting under $9000 USD with 250 KM range. Just vlogged test driving several EVs in Bangkok Thailand. Some may be surprised at the growing number of charging points even here in Thailand malls, hotels, apartments etc. The EV tipping point is nearer than many realise..
Wow not heard about this. Literally ANY Ev under £10K changes the the current conversation. The Honda urban ev is gorgeous, but 3 times that price, for a similar (low) range. I agree it would be a second car really. With that low range and low top speed I wouldn’t be taking it on the motorway much, even some of the A roads round my way, I’d feel a bit under-gunned. But for town and local runs, it looks brilliant. Agree with many others in comment here: this is what we want Dacia to do!
probably needs 80mph capability for US freeways. If you have Apple/Android auto, good AC/heater everything else is sugar. It will be taxed very well, Gas Stations will need to convert to restaurants with charging stations. I really wonder what the profit margins would be to make it sustainable. They need a way to sell apps to generate income after the sell.
Richard Day it’s hard to predict if it will be an avalanche of conversion to electric. I think it will be gradual, but yes the garage forcourts should be thinking ahead right now how to accommodate and provide for EV drivers to sustain themselves as less an less people buy petrol (gas) in the future. But we’ll never need as much public charging as petrol stations because home charging will cover a huge chunk. For me right now public charging is very much a once in a blue moon last resort, but in future if they get it right I think it will seem more normal.
I'll wait to see the price in Europe before getting excited plus Renault would add battery rental for the life time of the car. For that price I'd have one as a second car.
Great little car. Ideal for a run around or second town car. Perhaps though it’s greatest point is it’s going to focus other manufacturers to consider their price point & introduce many more people to the ev market.
You need to look at used electric cars. Basically you let someone else drive your EV for 1-3-5-7 years use up most of the warranty and break a few things and mess up the car. You then pay a couple hundred and have someone clean it with a Q-Tip and chemicals. I'm looking at a Chevy Bolt 2-3 years old basic warranty is gone Battery power warranty is 5-6 years left with 4,000 to 23,000 miles left on it. £14,000. 240 mile range although it may only be 190 now. Ex Uber car. Used Chevy Spark EV is £6,000. 75+ mile range.
I was going to comment on exactly that, used EV's is the way to go. I own a 2015 Fiat 500e, it was a lease return that I purchased for $3,700 US and it only had 35K miles on it. Fiat range is roughly 80 miles, plenty for most city drivers or commuters. Only negative for those with smaller batteries is charge time, smaller batteries really could benefit from higher level charging speed. I charge at home with a level 2, 240v max 40 amp Juciebox station, I charge two EV's with that unit.
A five year old i3 in the US is 10-12k. A one year old used i3 loses 33% its value. A used EV can be had for 20k with over 100 mile range. It is a no brainer to wait to buy the car you like.
I want an EV with just a speedometer on the dash, 4 comfortable seats, heater, 240 miles range, 0...60 8 secs, top speed 90 mph, 4 doors, 17-inch wheels, price £12K.
I'm retired, looking for a small car, cheap to run, for just the two of us living out in the country, for local journeys (shopping and suchlike). This, on the face of it, looks brilliant. But I would be worried on two counts: Firstly that the materials and the design (especially of the battery) are sub-par, and that lifespan and reliability would be limited. And secondly that it had been built very cheaply by an exploited workforce working for peanuts. I want to be confident that I am not helping to exploit anyone. One reason I want an electric car, after all, is to reduce my exploitation of this world's resources. So yes, cheap is good, but I have concerns that this is too cheap.
My priorities in an EV: 1 Reasonable size battery, with at least 200 miles range, that lasts. Or a smaller battery that can be upgraded, or added on to. 2 practical car does not have to be big, go off-road, or go too fast. think Nissan leaf, just not ridiculous like smart car. 3 i do not care about connectivity, stereo, or screens. tell me percentage of battery charge, and speed. 4 no frills, and let me swap batteries and other parts myself without going to the dealer ever. I also don't want to pay for or need a warranty. just reasonably good quality parts that last. How hard should that be???
It's a good car but will be no more than a second car to get you work or the shops and back. We do need cars like this but we mostly need 200+ winter motorway miles for less than 20k i.e a direct competitor to ace cars .
Paul Houghton Everyone’s needs are different. Some people never drive more than 100 miles (160 km) in a day (or could rapid change on the rare occasion that they do). I agree that it would be best if there was an option for a larger battery or maybe a hydrogen fuel cell range extender, but as a base model, it would meet a lot of people’s needs.
@@roger1818 id agree with that, not so much the hydrogen part are most hydrogen production in the UK is far from green and is unlikely to be anywhere near green for a very long time .
On the US used market right now the Chevy Bolt EV is hitting the market after leases expire. That's 238 mile EPA range selling used for $19k-$23k. I think that's where the value will be in general since EV's are more reliable and have less maintenance the used EV space is the place to be. Just need to get through the first couple rounds of good EV's to get a healthy used market established and things can start to take off.
I live in the US and have been driving an electric car for 5 years. First, I had a 2014 Smart ForTwo and now, the 2017 model. They are the cheapest models available in the US. It is a two-seater, however, and occasionally, I miss having a back seat. For most of my driving, it's fine. It has an 85-100 mile range (depending on your driving style) which, again, is fine for most of my driving. I hear people complain about range all the time. Personally, I'd rather have faster charging (which did improve with the 2017 model). There are an adequate number of public charging stations in the area. You do have to plan your trips (where am I going? How long am I going to be there? Where can I charge?), but I've gotten used to doing that.
good example have, my friend buy chinese / japanese factory nissan mikra, cost in factory 4000$ and shipping to finland 2000$ and all tax 10 000$ but if you buy same car in finland car dealer shop cost 24000$ you win about 8000$ you go to japan factory and buy car, but IF you working and live japand ower year than no has tax and toll, need pay only car 4000+shipping 2000 and win lot more. if you buy expensive car toytota camry etc, cost factory under 6000 and finland ower 30 000 more wuin if go work one year in outcountry.
@Wu Me Anywhere that there is an electricity outlet. Someone took a 24kWh Leaf from Scotland to Mongolia, in a rally, by doing exactly that, several years ago.
Hi there... I bought a car back in 2013... a Hyundia ix35, everything with it, including automatic. I thought I got that at a good price, it was selling for £35,000 and I got them down to £28,000... I know that is still allot of money but I was pleased... Now seeing a even better car that is just electric selling for cheaper (the price I payed I could have three of the cars you are showing) I just want the car companies to think of the world, not just single countries. Another point is I wish there were more electric charges than there is...
If you want or can only afford really cheap you get an electric Motorcycle or Bicycle. £300 to £3000 if you import them yourself. You get either an Ebike or a Moped EV bike. Can be city car fast and can be as safe as a normal bike or motorcycle and even safer as you don't go as fast.
Looks like a Dacia Sandero to me. At anything up to about £12k I would grab one. I'd keep my Focus TDCI Estate (180k on the clock) for lugging my bands PA, trips to the dump and longer journeys through europe, using the EV for everything else. In a few years time we'll have affordable EVs with longer range so I can then retire the old diesel. My nine year old Focus broke down in Germany in the summer. The breakdown company provided a fancy Passat hire car for three weeks, manual gearbox, but automatic everything else. When I handed it back 3,000 miles later I was so pleased to get my own car back. My ideal car would be a ten year old new car, I don't need gimmicks, just something that gets me reliably, safely and inexpensively between A & B.
This is fantastic news!!!! It just goes to show that EV’s can compete with budget ice cars with less equipment along with a decent everyday range. If this car is the entry point at £8k then a model with bigger dimensions and more range can be done for less than £12k. This will be a god send for those of us that can’t buy at the £20k+ end. As well as opening the market up to other manufacturers to compete and thus give us very reasonable priced EV’s. I’m sure many more people will lap up these beauties at those prices and the uptake of EV’s will take off in a huge way! The cost of ownership vs the cost of the car compared to ice cars will be that the car would essentially pay for itself in less than 4 to 5 years just in fuel savings alone! Excellent news!!! We just can hope that we can get these in the European market.
Sounds very similar in size and spec to the Skoda CITIGOe IV, which I have seen price estimates for of £16-18k, roughly double this price. Bear in mind that's still a £6-8k premium on the petrol one, which seems ridiculous.
From the side it looks like a Sandero. Nowt wrong with that. Yes I would buy one. Most of the buttons/settings on my Zoe were pressed/set up on day one and haven't been touched since. It's what the EV movement needs. One for the Mr Everyday. Brilliant. I made an extra effort to buy the Zoe because it was electric. If electric cars didn't exist I'd be driving a Sandero. I part exchanged a Mitsubishi Mirage for Titanic. It would also be a better buy than the 50 kWh Zoe as it already has DC charging. New Zoe's CCS is reputedly to be an optional extra at £750.
I'm with the guy that said a speedometer, a state of charge gauge, I would add heat and air con, a range in winter of 200 miles, that's all. The problem is that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S.
A $10,000 EV? Man I would love that. I would like a car to get 200 miles on a charge but for that low price I could live with less. I'm in Indiana and aside from a couple of trips a year that are long, this would cover all my needs.
If I lived in a large town or small city; and the majority of my driving was commuting in the vicinity; and if there was reliably good public transport to areas I wished to travel to. Then yes, a cheap run around could well be the answer to my personal transport. To be honest, it would be too small for my current needs. But if things changed, then maybe...
Yes, simplicity is king. I love roll up windows. Don’t care about infotainment systems, automatic parking, etc. But I do need 150 miles of range- real world- because town is 47 miles away and I go there once a week. Want a little headroom in my range so that I can run around a little bit too. Space in the boot to put a full size guitar. At least level two charging capability. I’m in the USA.
Most people have their entertainment and Sat Nav in their pockets so as long as it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto built in with a display to play it on that part is covered. Using Renault’s 22kw charger to keep costs down.
We have two cars one does a work shuttle of 10 miles each way the other I use for taking the dog for a walk and shopping. I would happily take two it sounds just right. When we go to visit family or for holidays we can always rent something bigger!
As i commented above Elon did state that Tesla would be selling an under $20 000 car in the future, the future hopefully being within the next few years after the roadster the model Y and the truck this year and next, so we could see a cheaper car in 3-5 years.
Renault Captur with an EV option.40-50 kwh battery and CCS charging.About £20-£22k with a battery purchase and leave out the lane assist auto pilot stuff.They would sell loads of those.
This is about the same price as an equivalent size petrol car, so it's not a case of wanting more or less options, it's a case of something like this is needed in each car class. However, that price will be a lot higher for the same car if it comes to Europe (and does it even meet European safety standards?). Plus, it'll have that annoying monthly rental for the battery pack that Renault does.
This kind of car would be great to have as part of a car pool so people can feel confident in selling their car and instead rent this kind of car for the 90% of driving that people typically do around the city. What I miss in it is that I guess it's not up to the crash protection standards in Europe, and it's lacking things like auto emergency braking etc.
Sounds like an ideal second car for getting to work or running errands. You can't ask for a lower price than that. They could sell a lot of them in Europe and the US.
In 1990, I bought a new Civic with 1600 cc engine, drove it for 12 + 1/2 years, and put just over 200 K miles on it. It was the perfect match for me. I drove it everywhere-across the country, or 3 miles to work or other nearby spots. At first, the EV you describe this sounded great. But it couldn't do what the Civic did. I never really felt the Civic was too much car for my needs, even when all my driving was short-range. Now, being retired, I might feel a Civic is excessive for most daily needs. But for out-of-town needs, the little Chinese car just wouldn't do it. So if I were about to buy a car, maybe an EV in the Civic size class, top speed 160 kph, 70 kW motor, and whatever battery would deliver that 70 kW, and let the range fall out of that as it may. For going around town, when the good local bus system or my feel are just too much trouble, I think I'd be looking at something with 2 wheels. A scooter, or a recumbent bicycle.
I live in Canada and we can all use an affordable family EV that can go around 200 miles per charge and cost around US$ 10K. Bring it on! I will order 3, one for me, one for my wife and one for my teenage daughter! LOL
I can see it working for a small subset of people but for the majority they'll prefer to spend more and get more space and more distance. Once VAT is added and EU price uplifts, it'll be closer 14k
@@mr_jamaican For shopping, errands, everywhere you don't have to go play on the highway, this little car would be ideal. It would be great on our secondary roads.....and we've got a lot of them!
I think most people want a car that they can use in all situations (because it's the only car they have), meaning city driving, commuting and road trips to go visit grandma. Thus it needs to be able to drive at 145 km/h, and have a 350 km highway real world range. Less than that, I think, and people will choose an ice car. It'll probably be another 7-8 years until a car like that will be available for less than 20k euro. Prices will go down, batteries will become more energy dense, and more competition in the lower price segment will increase. With the Zoe and this one Renault looks in great position to grab a huge chunk of the affordable ev market. Kona and Bolt are also ready to become very popular, if their price drops significantly.
There's an interesting new metric gaining attention: Long range on a single charge isn't necessarily the be-all and end-all for EVs. A fast-charging small battery can see you on your way with an 80% charge in 15 minutes if you use a fast charger. And if the aforesaid small battery is also in a small light car without all the power-hungry cr@p that certain expensive EVs have, then that charge is going to a have good range too.
Interesting post and question. I'm also from the USA and strongly believe there are many good use cases for a low end electric car. We are also a 2-car family and I'd be happy to have an inexpensive (< $15K USD), run-around-town EV and spend the money on vacations.
65mph top speed is my only major problem with the Renault. Slightly more range would be preferable, but the limited top speed is a problem for highway driving (for me).
I’m from Michigan, a state that makes and breaks cars. Although something like the Rivian would be best suited to the weather here, I wouldn’t mind trying this car out. Be even happier if it had another motor.
Having lived and worked in China, I was picked up to go to the University every day by a Chines guy with a brand new BYD. A Polo size 4 door with plenty of room and all modern gadgets... for about "$7 Grand"! Never felt unsafe nor uncomfortable. That was 15 years ago! So, the Chinese have learned a heck of a lot, achieved a heck of a lot, and strive for bigger things, much bigger things. Today they have a high-speed railway network as big as all the rest of the world combined. Almost all buses in the big cities are already electric... ha, and you ask what I think😋
It sure looks attractive to me, but, as you pointed out, the photos apparently make it look bigger than it is. And therein is my concern: Is it big enough for a 6'7" (2 meter) lunk like me? Somehow, I don't think so.
Excellent video and points for discussion. To me it would be best to offer a variety of battery packs, motors and trim for a given platform. As a modular system this would allow for a basic, less powerful and shorter range vehicle to start. Those with higher budgets or greater needs could upgrade to a bigger motor and battery and higher trim level. It would be great if the battery pack and motor could be easily replaced or upgraded as a modular system to suit changing needs or budgets, and to make the vehicle more valuable and useful on the used market as new vehicle specs continue to improve.
What i would be happy with is a dacia access with a 30kw battery and fast charging for £10 grand, but then all i need it for is a 15 mile round trip urban commute . only extra i would like are front and rear parking sensors
A cheap little car with no frills is fine, simplest idea for extra range is having a battery that is easily swapable , perhaps have one that is small and light for most 99% of the time and rent a bigger one to go on holiday in would suit me fine. Or just rent a another car for holidays lol. Thing is most of us drive on our own so are also carrying around 3 seats etc that are empty dead weight so a single seater car or bike would make more sense most of the time.
honestly what i and many young drivers would want/need is a cheap sub £8000 small car with just the bare basics (electric windows, basic stereo, no distracting screens) but with a better range, say a real world range of say 175 to 200 miles per full charge given the phasing out of ICE cars having an option like this will be critical
for me, I would be happy with that car. I would accept just a plain car, no air-con, no infortaintemt/sat nav. 30kWh battery - seats 4, hatch. and all for £10,000 (including battery) before incentives. I would want a 3 year warranty, and 8 years on drive train. Easy finance option. If they can make that - then it really is game on for EV's
For me, I'd like a basic car, electric windows,mirrors, perhaps bigger battery, air con. not too many bells and whistles and of course available in Australia
I have a Dream. It’s an Electric car the same size as my 2015 Citroën C1 2nd gen. with a real range of 250 km and a top speed of about 140 km/h. Add a grand or two to the price of this Renault and I reckon that could be done. I actually envisage the availability of a full-EV conversion kit for my C1 within a couple of years, when batteries are likely to pack more punch and last longer. I regularly do 100 km each way in a day in my so-called “city car” and seriously have no need for anything bigger or much mightier. City cars are great fun on country lanes, and my C1 is like a mini concert hall sound wise. Forget all the complex electronics, listen to good music and drive your car. Or take the flipping train!
My only worry with this price point would be the quality of the battery. My experience with powertools is that not worth doing "cheep" with a drill. I think it would be much more so with a car.
For pendling to work it would be perfectly adequate and I would be tempted at that price. In general I would prefer more battery and safety to more equipment in a car like this. It would have to be car number two for me though since I need something capable of transporting five long legged people when the family is going somewhere.
Important stuff are parking sensors, back seat legroom, a radio with aux port, chargeport at every seat, rain sensor, cruise control, DC fast charging, built in AC charger. Don’t need anything more I think.
The price is right. I would give up most of the comforts, still need AC and a radio, but would want a bigger battery for a bit more range. Thanks, great information.
I recently purchased the Smart forfour EQ because it was about the cheapest car available, but it was close on twice the price of the Renault and if that was available in the UK, I would have gone for the Renault. Things I don't need in a Car, Connectivity-No. 0 to 60 in 3 seconds-NO, ( If there is one thing that annoys its Car makers boasting about 0 to 60 in ridiculous times). Sat Nav-NO. Screen after screen of info on what the car is doing-No. So what do I want? £8K price -Yes. Air con that doesn't effect driving range-Yes. Selectable regen-Yes.150mile range-Yes. Rear wheel drive-Yes. The Smart is lovely to drive, but has a limited range of about 80miles in the summer. It has rear wheel drive and really holds the road, but it's info screen is distracting and the Smart App doesn't work properly at the moment. The Air con dramatically reduces the range, if used. It has a radar system that slows the car if too close to the vehicle in front, but only in normal driving mode, but no regen. If you select Eco mode it switches off the radar but gives regen when slowing instead. I think it should have regen in normal & Eco. I took delivery of the Smart in June and as I said, I love driving it but it isn't a proper 4 seater, though that isn't a problem and I note that the new Renault isn't a full four seater either. All in all, the Smart will do me until someone produces a reasonable priced small EV.
I'd certainly consider it as is with twice the range. Small commuter car has a place. I live in the county/country and decent shopping is 45 min away at minimum. Leased battery so as that technology improves, it can be further upgraded. No direct battery ownership on Chinese cars, or small cars from anywhere really. Let them eat the degradation headaches. You will be charging it often, so cycle count will be high ...
As private hire taxi driver the Hyundai iconic is probably the best all rounder for the price at minute but I'm still waiting for something better. The Skoda I saw on another channel looked quality, id love to see that in production at a reasonable price
In Ireland that car would be €25,000 after Vehicle Registration Tax(20% and up)Value Added Tax (23%) Shipping and Dealer Prep. But we are used to paying €25,000 for €10,000 vehicles. Annual Tax Burden per Person in Ireland €14,500. Think on that !
cheap buy, but range for those that dont live in city is rubish, my car now ( volvo xc70 ) doesnt have all this app stuff so i would like a normal car layout like an ice and have a bigger batery. Im going to wait and see what second hand prices are like when more evs come out, but i would love the rivan truck that would make my day if its below 40k spread over 5 years. We all want cheaper cars but it still seems like there keeping the evs high to get rid of the ice stock. Great vids and chanel.
Live in Canada, need a lot more range especially in the winter when range drops because of cold and using the heater. Other options are not really all that important to me.
I am waiting for a car like this. I hope the battery quality in terms of temperature management is better than the Nissan Leaf. I would be willing to spend a bit more even on battery management and battery size and even lose the connectivity and the screen on the dashboard as I think it causes dangerous behavior in traffic.
Happy with most of it, just make it a bit faster. And I mean just a bit, cause top speed of 105 km/h means that you would have to drive at approx 65-70 km/h to get a decent range. And I wouldnt mind paying more, since its already really cheap and you would save a lot on fuel and maintenance
14" wheels aren't "little tiny". That's actually the traditional size for compact cars, and even some mid-sized cars. Of course these days people like really big wheels (up to 22") with the narrow sidewall tires on their SUVs and crossovers.
I don't need navigation, I don't need ambient lighting, I don't need infotainment in a car.... If they took all that out, then maybe we would get reasonably priced EVs in Europe also.
remember that US prices don't include taxes, so in Europe it's instantly 20%+ more expensive at the very least, after replacing the dollar sign with the Euro sign. For me, that car would be pointless as I spent over half my driving on the motorway, so need a top speed over 130kmh, decent accelleration, and at LEAST 450km WLTP range. Yes, I want a cheaper EV. But I can't compromise on range and performance. They don't have to have all the funky stuff the current EVs have. Something with the equipment level of a mid-range VW Polo is quite enough. And stripping down say an e-Soul or ID.3 to that equipment level would probably lower the price by 5-10k Euro. (so removing the lane assist, Apple car play, leather heated and cooled seats, individual climate control per seat, wireless smartphone charger, funky coloured LED internal lighting, things like that, they're fun to have but I don't need them). As long as it has regular cruise control (so speed only), radio/CD/MP3 player (let me just plug in a USB stick if it doesn't take CDs), and a Bluetooth car kit I'm happy.
and if same come finland car has new car tax 70-80% new price, if car cost out of finland 20 000 € in finland tax and toll car cost 40-45000 € finland have out of law europe car tax, europe union has make note manytime and need pay fee to eu but finland make out of law expensive stupid tax.
Less equipment and a bigger battery would make it one to jump at in a heartbeat. My forecast is that the price will be at least 50% higher than that quoted, by the time it can be driven in the U.K. Even £12k OTR with a battery giving a genuine 200 mile Summer range would really tempt us to buy one.
The range on this car should be pretty good seeing how light the car is compared to it's battery size. I bet it will get well over 100 miles per charge.
We have a leaf 40 kWh tekna, are looking to replace my wife's picanto as she only goes shopping n to get her hair n nails done this would be an ideal second car. Would buy it in a flash.
I'd have one tomorrow, I have a Mitsubishi minicab miev with a range of 80klms and 41hp and a top speed of 107kl/h. So for me its range is fine, top speed is fine and it would get to the off grid Shack and back on a charge .
7-8K would seal the deal for me, paying just double the cost of a scooter (e.g Honda PCX ) and getting a car would be unbelievable. Hope UK Govt doesn't hike up the price if indeed this car is coming to UK.
I bought a used 2012 Mitsubishi I-miev in 2016 for $9000 with 12k miles on it. It has a 16Kw battery (less now) and goes 60 miles in the city now. But it can top out at 90mph and has same size motor as this Reno. So they must have put a limiter on this motor.
With Uber and my V8 limousine, I need a large long range EV with lots of room for 5 or more people. Some are trialing Tesla’s but only the 3 which is too small for Premium rides. Guess I’ll be waiting a while for affordable, long range, large EV’s.
If we talk money, this is the way. Most people want a car to go from A2B. Don't care about luxury or tech. Cheaper the better. If it is an EV that doesn't break and is cheaper to use and own, it will be a no brainier. But, in my case, I can afford a bit more and what I look for is safety. EVs by essence are safer than ICEs. But having more safety is even better. So, in my case, I'll opt for a safer EV up to my budget. I won't care about luxury but for safety and range, of course.
$25,000, 400 mile range, 5-10 min. FULL recharge at a supercharger - These are the 3 milestones I tell my seminar attendees to look for from the EV carmakers. Once these 3 things have been achieved, THEN...it will be time for a mass adoption of EV's to potentially replace ICEV's.
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I'm in the USA. I need a car that will give me 150 miles of real world range. I don't care about all of the "extras", there not important to me. More battery, less crap!
agree a base model please!!
150 mile range, at night with heater and aircon running. (yes you do often need both running)
Yes, I agree with you. I'd take roll up windows, and manual steering as well. Just AC, heater and a radio. Can't there be a choice for those who don't need an ipad on wheels?
Yes, simplicity is king. I love roll up windows. Don’t care about infotainment systems, automatic parking, etc. But I do need 150 miles of range- real world- because town is 47 miles away and I go there once a week. Want a little headroom in my range so that I can run around a little bit too. Space in the boot to put a full size guitar. At least level two charging capability. I’m in the USA.
@@halstead3962 Hal Stead Great points. I am fine with companies making cars with all the bells and whistles people want. But those things used to be options or not available on economy cars. It was the luxury cars that had lots of gadgets as standard. I don't want to pay for things I'm not ever going to use. Stuff that will eventually break and cost a mint to repair. Lets start a website: makesimplecars.org.
We need electric cars to compete directly with ICE cars on the sticker price this I feel is a step in the right direction.
The electric mini will be priced below the cost of a new petrol mini. 2024/2025 will be when the up front cost will be the same for most vehicles, some before this time and some slightly later.
@@Michael-qm5yc It will be priced below the 'Cooper S' mini which is the high trim mini not a base one
@@brittennz fair point, although I still think some people will be fine without the extras. Leather for example is nice to have although for most isn't a deal breaker. The heated seats/steering wheel could be for most thou. If they release another version of the electric mini with additional features after this one and at the same or slightly less cost then there will be almost no reason to get the petrol over the electric if mainly used/required as a city car.
@@Michael-qm5yc totally agree. I am one o these people. not commuting more than 50Km a day. living in a mailed climet country. never needed heated seats. Having said that, the highest trim cars are the most profitable ones. Tesla offered a 35KUS$ model 3 in the US and a lower cost one in Canada, but does not offer these trim level in Europe (fore now). Because high trim models are more profitably. the moment low trim car appears, it (partly) cannibalize the high trim level sales
Why? It takes over $2000 a year to fuel an ICE car but only $550 to fuel an EV. That $120 a month is the difference between a $25K ICE car(median average) and a $35k EV in payments. Why do the MSRP prices need to match when It costs so much less to fuel it and maintain it? Anyone who can do simple math can see the total cost already matches.
Trust me, by the time it gets to Europe it'll be double the price: Chinese quality at European prices.
CurtisCT: that is the best analogy of the situation that I've heard yet, Chinese low or in this case no quality at European prices maybe Tesla will open up a auto plant in the United kingdom we can only hope so
@@marvinmontgomery1291 Check out the MG EV. It's already being sold in UK.
The design is done at MG studio in UK and the car is made to MG UK specifications. It's rather a nice small electric SUV.
I've said for years that sooner or later, a $10,000 Chinese car will take over the low end of the auto market.
Greg Collins mate its a french car not Chinese even if the build it there
That is how the Japanese started with their cheap cars in the 70's, the Korean started with their cheap cars in the 80's. Now it is the Sino's turn.
Look at where Honda, Hyundai is today.
Greg, that's old news! Go to Beijing, arriving at the new Beijing international Airport (just one of hundred new airports), ride a high-speed train, an electric city bus, look at the skylines of the big cities, and I guarantee, your jaw will drop. 90% of the "Westerners" have no idea about modern China.
@@antoniozerkhfaoui1918 All that's French about it, is the brand. Designed in China, made in China, badged as Renault!
I’ll settle for a 2017 Chevy bolt for 20k
Get rid of all the fancy crap like auto pilot and just put a big battery in it simple, I have to drive from Colchester to Edinburgh because I’m in the army so I need a long range car.
andrew christie I get angry when the manufacturers refer to cars like the Corse, Zoe and modern Mini as city cars. When a lot of us use them for long trips which they are perfectly capable of with a decent degree of comfort. We don’t need big saloons or whatever they want to market for longer journeys! But I do think cars like this one and Smart4two’s can be safely described as city cars. And why do manufacturers call sodding great 4x4’s urban cars!? We need Zoe’s, Corsa’s etc with 300 miles ranges. If they can produce an ID3 with 340 miles of range then getting a Corsa to do 300 is perfectly doable. And a Zoe sized estate would be handy. 😊
The battery is the main cost. This car is has 26KWh battery it is tiny
@gilburton can buy with battery included and I believe the battery lease can now be bought out.
Michael ...they can’t.
Or you need a proper quick charge. Do you usually do the whole journey in one go?
My jaw dropped at that price. I want an ev at a similar price that has a long range (ideally 200 miles on the motorway) and plenty of space. I’m not bothered about lots of tech.
This would be the perfect car for me to drive to work. I hope this car and others like it are widely available in the near future.
Simple. I want a Hyundai Ionic with 80-100 miles more range under $25,000 (or its real world equivalent). I want a sedan (saloon)/hatchback, not an SUV, although according to the US manufacturers I'm the only one who does. I don't want all the Star Trek autopilot stuff. CarPlay/Android Auto is great, they don't need to duplicate all those features in the car itself, especially for an additional $40/month subscription (at least in the US).
100 mph+ top speed and under 6 sec. 0-60 times are for juveniles. They have no real world use. (Give me a 20-70 time - i.e. merging onto a freeway. THAT would be a useful number).
And most importantly, but totally unrealistically, it must be available nationally in the US .
and Canada. BTW, VW, the peoples car needs to be closer to $20k cdn than $45k cdn.
Give Tesla another 5 years and 3 more gigafatories with them selling 2-3 million cars a year and they will start looking at an under £20 000 car with everything in it that the other tesla cars have. Yes Elon has said a much cheaper car is coming eventually i suspect once they have factories going up in 12 months and all profits used to build new ones in more countries we will see tesla decimating all manufacturers on price and quality, well they are already the best quality as determined by bloomberg it is just price they need to lower by 80%
As a 75 year-old doing only about 5000 miles a year this car would be great. We mostly travel around our city, Bristol, and possibly up to say 50 miles away on odd occasions. If I could do that on one charge a week at a local supermarket it would definitely suit my needs. I don’t want to deny my kids £30,000 by buying a more upmarket car at my age. But I do want the opportunity to be part of the EV movement to reduce our city pollution. A smooth and silent ride with low maintenance and running costs would add to my delight.
Safety first and foremost is what I want out of an EV, then range so air bags are a must.
For sub 10K I would not expect to get 200 miles, but I would want at least 110 miles in all weather and for it to charge to full in less than 4 hours from flat using level 2 charging.
Three must be a battery management system to ensure the battery health! ( no air cooling!).
Comfortable seats, some storage for at least 5 big bags for groceries or four carry on size bags and can fit an adult male that is 6ft 2 without hitting his head ( in our family the tallest person must be accommodated).
Being able to plug in our Android phone for navigation, radio and weather is just fine.
I would still want the car to last... we have to get away from being a throw it away society so I would want a 10 year battery warranty and expect the interior to last for at least that long before needing to change out the seats and floor mats. I say this because of how well my Prius has stood the test of time.
For me in the UK having a decent heat exchanger (energy efficient) heater is a must.... If I am warm & dry, with the windows not misting up I can forego most of the extra trimmings!
I would happily buy one now. The price is superb and most journeys in the UK are under 50 miles so this is what the markets needs. Extras are nice but they are making buying a new EV just to pricey.
70-75 mph max for dual carriageway/occasional motorway use. 120 miles range would be nice, we all need a little in reserve for when things don't go according to plan. And odd that it doesn't have the portrait center screen of the new Zoe/Clio. But I'd just need screen mirroring to use sat nav/hands-free from my phone. Maybe a DAB radio. Definitely LED lights, heat exchange heater, preheat. Fast charging minimum of 22kWh AC and 50kWh DC. The option of heated seats/steering wheel. Split fold rear seat.
And I'd like to say its about time Renault upgraded the Twizzy. Bigger battery, better performance, faster charging. Factory option for windows that aren't a faff. And a heater or heated seats/steering wheel. And cheaper battery rental and an option to buy battery outright.
Pizza/Lift/Uber/Medical transport/carrier service are all a huge market and require 160 miles of range. That's why so many cars are coming out with ~230 miles of range(230 x 0.7 = 160) and 70% battery degradation warranties.
My first Leaf had less battery, but was an excellent run about. The football, scouting, shopping, commute. Our poor ICE car kept the weeds down on the drive unless we were off to the mother-in-law's. I don't live in a city either. Range is not all.
Once a car enters the market at this price, it will bring others and silence the argument about EVs being expensive.
Why does every EV have to be top spec, stuffed with toys?
Exactly the case here, our Leaf gets all of the heavy use and our Golf.. it gets used so infrequently that when we do go to drive it it makes grinding noises down our street as the rust scrapes off the brake discs.
They are stuffed with toys because much of the tech behind the toys has to be there anyway, it doesn't cost much more to do it. I agree range is not all, I think 160-180 miles is all anyone needs and hopefully we will start seeing more cheap cars in this range. Hardly anyone needs a 300 mile EV. People cannot stop thinking about public stations as the only way to fuel a car. Getting housing complexes to install chargers would be a big help
EVs have to be top spec because when they were offered as glorified golf carts in the 1970s nobody bought them. When flat screen TVs first came out they were more expensive than CRTs too. If you want a range even half as big as an ICE vehicle, you have to pay more because a battery pack that big costs more than an internal combustion engine. Battery prices will come down in the next few years to the point that an EV can beat an ICEV on price.
@@dlwatib Battery production costs are forecast to drop below $100 US per kWh within a few months. That's only $4,000 for a 40kWh battery ample for a genuine all-season range of 200 miles/320km in a small car. I wold gladly pay an extra couple of thousand pounds/dollars for another 15kWh of usable storage.
You would be very hard pressed to buy an engine with similar power plus all of its ancillary equipment and fluids, and then to run it for a few years for less than $4,000 plus the cost of an electric motor and all of its ancillary components and electricity.
This is a great idea. I think a second car that can go 100-200 km on a charge would be fine as a second with another that is long range for the longer trips.
Just imagine the sales of this in China. It’s a form of transport which doesn’t use fossil fuels, and it brings an affordable EV car to the masses. If it has room for 4 adults (stretch it a bit), that would increase the potential audience (coming soon?). In short order, there will be better, more expensive competitors for this, but for now, the price for this one is amazing. This will have all of the OEMs looking for ways they can close the gap between their current offerings in the 30-45k EV price tag - and what this car has to offer. Find that happy medium which will see 1 million EV sales per year - in the rest of the world!
they don't want 1 million EV sales per year. They are making over $2 million a DAY stalling on EVs. Every singe DAY the ICE car stays on top, the auto industry make an extra $2.1 million and the oil industry makes $2.4 Billion
The Real Problem with Electric Cars is the Very High Cost of Replacement Batteries.
Incorrect - any decent 2020 EV will not have its battery changed ever. More likely stripped for utility energy storage at cars high mileage scrap time . You just need the 7/8 year warranty that most come with. Tesla has increased the range via a software update after seeing that they have been over cautious with looking after the battery charging. Expect 90% capacity at 100K+ miles to be the norm.
The Renault City K-ZE is exactly what we need starting under $9000 USD with 250 KM range. Just vlogged test driving several EVs in Bangkok Thailand. Some may be surprised at the growing number of charging points even here in Thailand malls, hotels, apartments etc. The EV tipping point is nearer than many realise..
Wow not heard about this. Literally ANY Ev under £10K changes the the current conversation. The Honda urban ev is gorgeous, but 3 times that price, for a similar (low) range. I agree it would be a second car really. With that low range and low top speed I wouldn’t be taking it on the motorway much, even some of the A roads round my way, I’d feel a bit under-gunned. But for town and local runs, it looks brilliant. Agree with many others in comment here: this is what we want Dacia to do!
probably needs 80mph capability for US freeways.
If you have Apple/Android auto, good AC/heater everything else is sugar.
It will be taxed very well, Gas Stations will need to convert to restaurants with charging stations.
I really wonder what the profit margins would be to make it sustainable.
They need a way to sell apps to generate income after the sell.
Richard Day it’s hard to predict if it will be an avalanche of conversion to electric. I think it will be gradual, but yes the garage forcourts should be thinking ahead right now how to accommodate and provide for EV drivers to sustain themselves as less an less people buy petrol (gas) in the future. But we’ll never need as much public charging as petrol stations because home charging will cover a huge chunk. For me right now public charging is very much a once in a blue moon last resort, but in future if they get it right I think it will seem more normal.
100pct yes that vehicle at that price is crazy good. As a city-runner, it completely satisfies most commuters or errand runners.
I'll wait to see the price in Europe before getting excited plus Renault would add battery rental for the life time of the car. For that price I'd have one as a second car.
Andy very true. Things are always much cheaper in China.
Will Renault label it as a Dacia, perhaps?
Great little car. Ideal for a run around or second town car. Perhaps though it’s greatest point is it’s going to focus other manufacturers to consider their price point & introduce many more people to the ev market.
You need to look at used electric cars. Basically you let someone else drive your EV for 1-3-5-7 years use up most of the warranty and break a few things and mess up the car. You then pay a couple hundred and have someone clean it with a Q-Tip and chemicals. I'm looking at a Chevy Bolt 2-3 years old basic warranty is gone Battery power warranty is 5-6 years left with 4,000 to 23,000 miles left on it. £14,000. 240 mile range although it may only be 190 now. Ex Uber car. Used Chevy Spark EV is £6,000. 75+ mile range.
I was going to comment on exactly that, used EV's is the way to go. I own a 2015 Fiat 500e, it was a lease return that I purchased for $3,700 US and it only had 35K miles on it. Fiat range is roughly 80 miles, plenty for most city drivers or commuters. Only negative for those with smaller batteries is charge time, smaller batteries really could benefit from higher level charging speed. I charge at home with a level 2, 240v max 40 amp Juciebox station, I charge two EV's with that unit.
A five year old i3 in the US is 10-12k. A one year old used i3 loses 33% its value. A used EV can be had for 20k with over 100 mile range. It is a no brainer to wait to buy the car you like.
I want an EV with just a speedometer on the dash, 4 comfortable seats, heater, 240 miles range, 0...60 8 secs, top speed 90 mph, 4 doors, 17-inch wheels, price £12K.
I'm retired, looking for a small car, cheap to run, for just the two of us living out in the country, for local journeys (shopping and suchlike). This, on the face of it, looks brilliant. But I would be worried on two counts: Firstly that the materials and the design (especially of the battery) are sub-par, and that lifespan and reliability would be limited. And secondly that it had been built very cheaply by an exploited workforce working for peanuts. I want to be confident that I am not helping to exploit anyone. One reason I want an electric car, after all, is to reduce my exploitation of this world's resources. So yes, cheap is good, but I have concerns that this is too cheap.
Good point about labor equity!
My priorities in an EV:
1 Reasonable size battery, with at least 200 miles range, that lasts. Or a smaller battery that can be upgraded, or added on to.
2 practical car does not have to be big, go off-road, or go too fast. think Nissan leaf, just not ridiculous like smart car.
3 i do not care about connectivity, stereo, or screens. tell me percentage of battery charge, and speed.
4 no frills, and let me swap batteries and other parts myself without going to the dealer ever. I also don't want to pay for or need a warranty. just reasonably good quality parts that last.
How hard should that be???
Thx exactly my thoughts.
I'd buy one tomorrow if they were sold in Australia. Perfect second runabout car
Philip Batty if they make for a RHD market you might be in luck with the revised import laws in Australia 🇦🇺
It's a good car but will be no more than a second car to get you work or the shops and back. We do need cars like this but we mostly need 200+ winter motorway miles for less than 20k i.e a direct competitor to ace cars .
Paul Houghton Everyone’s needs are different. Some people never drive more than 100 miles (160 km) in a day (or could rapid change on the rare occasion that they do). I agree that it would be best if there was an option for a larger battery or maybe a hydrogen fuel cell range extender, but as a base model, it would meet a lot of people’s needs.
@@roger1818 id agree with that, not so much the hydrogen part are most hydrogen production in the UK is far from green and is unlikely to be anywhere near green for a very long time .
On the US used market right now the Chevy Bolt EV is hitting the market after leases expire. That's 238 mile EPA range selling used for $19k-$23k. I think that's where the value will be in general since EV's are more reliable and have less maintenance the used EV space is the place to be. Just need to get through the first couple rounds of good EV's to get a healthy used market established and things can start to take off.
I live in the US and have been driving an electric car for 5 years. First, I had a 2014 Smart ForTwo and now, the 2017 model. They are the cheapest models available in the US. It is a two-seater, however, and occasionally, I miss having a back seat. For most of my driving, it's fine. It has an 85-100 mile range (depending on your driving style) which, again, is fine for most of my driving. I hear people complain about range all the time. Personally, I'd rather have faster charging (which did improve with the 2017 model). There are an adequate number of public charging stations in the area. You do have to plan your trips (where am I going? How long am I going to be there? Where can I charge?), but I've gotten used to doing that.
A winner for this USA retiree who averages under 450 around-town miles monthly. For longer (seldom to never) trips, I would rent a car.
It will not come to Europe at that price.
True. It would cannibalise the Zoe and undermine any other plans Renault might have for the European market.
The thing is, that you can produce it for that price. And btw it is only ten thousand kilometrer to drive it over to here over Russia.
@Wu Me Tow it.
good example have, my friend buy chinese / japanese factory nissan mikra, cost in factory 4000$ and shipping to finland 2000$ and all tax 10 000$ but if you buy same car in finland car dealer shop cost 24000$ you win about 8000$ you go to japan factory and buy car, but IF you working and live japand ower year than no has tax and toll, need pay only car 4000+shipping 2000 and win lot more. if you buy expensive car toytota camry etc, cost factory under 6000 and finland ower 30 000 more wuin if go work one year in outcountry.
@Wu Me Anywhere that there is an electricity outlet. Someone took a 24kWh Leaf from Scotland to Mongolia, in a rally, by doing exactly that, several years ago.
Hi there... I bought a car back in 2013... a Hyundia ix35, everything with it, including automatic. I thought I got that at a good price, it was selling for £35,000 and I got them down to £28,000... I know that is still allot of money but I was pleased... Now seeing a even better car that is just electric selling for cheaper (the price I payed I could have three of the cars you are showing) I just want the car companies to think of the world, not just single countries.
Another point is I wish there were more electric charges than there is...
If you want or can only afford really cheap you get an electric Motorcycle or Bicycle. £300 to £3000 if you import them yourself. You get either an Ebike or a Moped EV bike. Can be city car fast and can be as safe as a normal bike or motorcycle and even safer as you don't go as fast.
Safest if it doesn't move at all!
Looks like a Dacia Sandero to me. At anything up to about £12k I would grab one. I'd keep my Focus TDCI Estate (180k on the clock) for lugging my bands PA, trips to the dump and longer journeys through europe, using the EV for everything else. In a few years time we'll have affordable EVs with longer range so I can then retire the old diesel.
My nine year old Focus broke down in Germany in the summer. The breakdown company provided a fancy Passat hire car for three weeks, manual gearbox, but automatic everything else. When I handed it back 3,000 miles later I was so pleased to get my own car back. My ideal car would be a ten year old new car, I don't need gimmicks, just something that gets me reliably, safely and inexpensively between A & B.
This is fantastic news!!!! It just goes to show that EV’s can compete with budget ice cars with less equipment along with a decent everyday range.
If this car is the entry point at £8k then a model with bigger dimensions and more range can be done for less than £12k.
This will be a god send for those of us that can’t buy at the £20k+ end. As well as opening the market up to other manufacturers to compete and thus give us very reasonable priced EV’s.
I’m sure many more people will lap up these beauties at those prices and the uptake of EV’s will take off in a huge way!
The cost of ownership vs the cost of the car compared to ice cars will be that the car would essentially pay for itself in less than 4 to 5 years just in fuel savings alone!
Excellent news!!! We just can hope that we can get these in the European market.
Sounds very similar in size and spec to the Skoda CITIGOe IV, which I have seen price estimates for of £16-18k, roughly double this price. Bear in mind that's still a £6-8k premium on the petrol one, which seems ridiculous.
From the side it looks like a Sandero. Nowt wrong with that. Yes I would buy one. Most of the buttons/settings on my Zoe were pressed/set up on day one and haven't been touched since. It's what the EV movement needs. One for the Mr Everyday. Brilliant. I made an extra effort to buy the Zoe because it was electric. If electric cars didn't exist I'd be driving a Sandero. I part exchanged a Mitsubishi Mirage for Titanic. It would also be a better buy than the 50 kWh Zoe as it already has DC charging. New Zoe's CCS is reputedly to be an optional extra at £750.
I'm with the guy that said a speedometer, a state of charge gauge, I would add heat and air con, a range in winter of 200 miles, that's all. The problem is that they won't sell or service to us in the U.S.
And correct by the time if it ever gets to the UK add on all the costs of vat, and all that goes with buying a new car you will be looking at £18000+
A $10,000 EV? Man I would love that. I would like a car to get 200 miles on a charge but for that low price I could live with less. I'm in Indiana and aside from a couple of trips a year that are long, this would cover all my needs.
Get it to the uk. Definitely affordable especially when financed. All car companies should be looking at out pricing petrol and diesel cars
If I lived in a large town or small city; and the majority of my driving was commuting in the vicinity; and if there was reliably good public transport to areas I wished to travel to. Then yes, a cheap run around could well be the answer to my personal transport. To be honest, it would be too small for my current needs. But if things changed, then maybe...
Yes, simplicity is king. I love roll up windows. Don’t care about infotainment systems, automatic parking, etc. But I do need 150 miles of range- real world- because town is 47 miles away and I go there once a week. Want a little headroom in my range so that I can run around a little bit too. Space in the boot to put a full size guitar. At least level two charging capability. I’m in the USA.
Most people have their entertainment and Sat Nav in their pockets so as long as it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto built in with a display to play it on that part is covered. Using Renault’s 22kw charger to keep costs down.
We have two cars one does a work shuttle of 10 miles each way the other I use for taking the dog for a walk and shopping. I would happily take two it sounds just right. When we go to visit family or for holidays we can always rent something bigger!
I wish Tesla would do this and just make a cheap battery on wheels with no bells and whistles to compete with low end ICE cars.
As i commented above Elon did state that Tesla would be selling an under $20 000 car in the future, the future hopefully being within the next few years after the roadster the model Y and the truck this year and next, so we could see a cheaper car in 3-5 years.
Renault Captur with an EV option.40-50 kwh battery and CCS charging.About £20-£22k with a battery purchase and leave out the lane assist auto pilot stuff.They would sell loads of those.
This is about the same price as an equivalent size petrol car, so it's not a case of wanting more or less options, it's a case of something like this is needed in each car class. However, that price will be a lot higher for the same car if it comes to Europe (and does it even meet European safety standards?). Plus, it'll have that annoying monthly rental for the battery pack that Renault does.
This kind of car would be great to have as part of a car pool so people can feel confident in selling their car and instead rent this kind of car for the 90% of driving that people typically do around the city. What I miss in it is that I guess it's not up to the crash protection standards in Europe, and it's lacking things like auto emergency braking etc.
Sounds like an ideal second car for getting to work or running errands. You can't ask for a lower price than that. They could sell a lot of them in Europe and the US.
In 1990, I bought a new Civic with 1600 cc engine, drove it for 12 + 1/2 years, and put just over 200 K miles on it. It was the perfect match for me. I drove it everywhere-across the country, or 3 miles to work or other nearby spots.
At first, the EV you describe this sounded great. But it couldn't do what the Civic did. I never really felt the Civic was too much car for my needs, even when all my driving was short-range. Now, being retired, I might feel a Civic is excessive for most daily needs. But for out-of-town needs, the little Chinese car just wouldn't do it. So if I were about to buy a car, maybe an EV in the Civic size class, top speed 160 kph, 70 kW motor, and whatever battery would deliver that 70 kW, and let the range fall out of that as it may. For going around town, when the good local bus system or my feel are just too much trouble, I think I'd be looking at something with 2 wheels. A scooter, or a recumbent bicycle.
The specs are great for a city commute. For a primary vehicle, it needs at least 80 mph of top speed and probably more range.
I live in Canada and we can all use an affordable family EV that can go around 200 miles per charge and cost around US$ 10K. Bring it on! I will order 3, one for me, one for my wife and one for my teenage daughter! LOL
I can see it working for a small subset of people but for the majority they'll prefer to spend more and get more space and more distance. Once VAT is added and EU price uplifts, it'll be closer 14k
PERFECT!! Now bring it to Canada. Let's see more vehicles like this.
Would purchase one tomorrow if it comes to Canada 😁
@@mr_jamaican For shopping, errands, everywhere you don't have to go play on the highway, this little car would be ideal. It would be great on our secondary roads.....and we've got a lot of them!
@@weldorman8495 105km ok speed on the 400 ...ppl drive slower than that in rush hour
I think most people want a car that they can use in all situations (because it's the only car they have), meaning city driving, commuting and road trips to go visit grandma.
Thus it needs to be able to drive at 145 km/h, and have a 350 km highway real world range. Less than that, I think, and people will choose an ice car.
It'll probably be another 7-8 years until a car like that will be available for less than 20k euro.
Prices will go down, batteries will become more energy dense, and more competition in the lower price segment will increase.
With the Zoe and this one Renault looks in great position to grab a huge chunk of the affordable ev market. Kona and Bolt are also ready to become very popular, if their price drops significantly.
No Bolts are being sold in Britain, and the Kona is about as common over here as hen's teeth, unless you want to wait for half a year for delivery.
There's an interesting new metric gaining attention: Long range on a single charge isn't necessarily the be-all and end-all for EVs. A fast-charging small battery can see you on your way with an 80% charge in 15 minutes if you use a fast charger. And if the aforesaid small battery is also in a small light car without all the power-hungry cr@p that certain expensive EVs have, then that charge is going to a have good range too.
Interesting post and question. I'm also from the USA and strongly believe there are many good use cases for a low end electric car. We are also a 2-car family and I'd be happy to have an inexpensive (< $15K USD), run-around-town EV and spend the money on vacations.
65mph top speed is my only major problem with the Renault. Slightly more range would be preferable, but the limited top speed is a problem for highway driving (for me).
I’m from Michigan, a state that makes and breaks cars. Although something like the Rivian would be best suited to the weather here, I wouldn’t mind trying this car out. Be even happier if it had another motor.
Right price but no where near enough miles per charge
Having lived and worked in China, I was picked up to go to the University every day by a Chines guy with a brand new BYD. A Polo size 4 door with plenty of room and all modern gadgets... for about "$7 Grand"! Never felt unsafe
nor uncomfortable. That was 15 years ago! So, the Chinese have learned a heck of a lot, achieved a heck of a lot, and strive for bigger things, much bigger things. Today they have a high-speed railway network as big as all the rest of the world combined. Almost all buses in the big cities are already electric... ha, and you ask what I think😋
It sure looks attractive to me, but, as you pointed out, the photos apparently make it look bigger than it is. And therein is my concern: Is it big enough for a 6'7" (2 meter) lunk like me? Somehow, I don't think so.
Excellent video and points for discussion. To me it would be best to offer a variety of battery packs, motors and trim for a given platform. As a modular system this would allow for a basic, less powerful and shorter range vehicle to start. Those with higher budgets or greater needs could upgrade to a bigger motor and battery and higher trim level. It would be great if the battery pack and motor could be easily replaced or upgraded as a modular system to suit changing needs or budgets, and to make the vehicle more valuable and useful on the used market as new vehicle specs continue to improve.
What i would be happy with is a dacia access with a 30kw battery and fast charging for £10 grand, but then all i need it for is a 15 mile round trip urban commute . only extra i would like are front and rear parking sensors
A cheap little car with no frills is fine, simplest idea for extra range is having a battery that is easily swapable , perhaps have one that is small and light for most 99% of the time and rent a bigger one to go on holiday in would suit me fine.
Or just rent a another car for holidays lol.
Thing is most of us drive on our own so are also carrying around 3 seats etc that are empty dead weight so a single seater car or bike would make more sense most of the time.
honestly what i and many young drivers would want/need is a cheap sub £8000 small car with just the bare basics (electric windows, basic stereo, no distracting screens) but with a better range, say a real world range of say 175 to 200 miles per full charge
given the phasing out of ICE cars having an option like this will be critical
for me, I would be happy with that car. I would accept just a plain car, no air-con, no infortaintemt/sat nav. 30kWh battery - seats 4, hatch. and all for £10,000 (including battery) before incentives. I would want a 3 year warranty, and 8 years on drive train. Easy finance option. If they can make that - then it really is game on for EV's
For me, I'd like a basic car, electric windows,mirrors, perhaps bigger battery, air con. not too many bells and whistles and of course available in Australia
I have a Dream. It’s an Electric car the same size as my 2015 Citroën C1 2nd gen. with a real range of 250 km and a top speed of about 140 km/h. Add a grand or two to the price of this Renault and I reckon that could be done. I actually envisage the availability of a full-EV conversion kit for my C1 within a couple of years, when batteries are likely to pack more punch and last longer. I regularly do 100 km each way in a day in my so-called “city car” and seriously have no need for anything bigger or much mightier. City cars are great fun on country lanes, and my C1 is like a mini concert hall sound wise. Forget all the complex electronics, listen to good music and drive your car. Or take the flipping train!
This is perfect for me. I'm only around the town...about 25 miles a day.
if Chinese slave labor can mke an electric car for $10,000 then any car over $15,000 must be a rip off.
My only worry with this price point would be the quality of the battery. My experience with powertools is that not worth doing "cheep" with a drill. I think it would be much more so with a car.
For pendling to work it would be perfectly adequate and I would be tempted at that price. In general I would prefer more battery and safety to more equipment in a car like this. It would have to be car number two for me though since I need something capable of transporting five long legged people when the family is going somewhere.
Important stuff are parking sensors, back seat legroom, a radio with aux port, chargeport at every seat, rain sensor, cruise control, DC fast charging, built in AC charger. Don’t need anything more I think.
The price is right.
I would give up most of the comforts, still need AC and a radio, but would want a bigger battery for a bit more range.
Thanks, great information.
I recently purchased the Smart forfour EQ because it was about the cheapest car available, but it was close on twice the price of the Renault and if that was available in the UK, I would have gone for the Renault. Things I don't need in a Car, Connectivity-No. 0 to 60 in 3 seconds-NO, ( If there is one thing that annoys its Car makers boasting about 0 to 60 in ridiculous times). Sat Nav-NO. Screen after screen of info on what the car is doing-No. So what do I want? £8K price -Yes. Air con that doesn't effect driving range-Yes. Selectable regen-Yes.150mile range-Yes. Rear wheel drive-Yes. The Smart is lovely to drive, but has a limited range of about 80miles in the summer. It has rear wheel drive and really holds the road, but it's info screen is distracting and the Smart App doesn't work properly at the moment. The Air con dramatically reduces the range, if used. It has a radar system that slows the car if too close to the vehicle in front, but only in normal driving mode, but no regen. If you select Eco mode it switches off the radar but gives regen when slowing instead. I think it should have regen in normal & Eco. I took delivery of the Smart in June and as I said, I love driving it but it isn't a proper 4 seater, though that isn't a problem and I note that the new Renault isn't a full four seater either. All in all, the Smart will do me until someone produces a reasonable priced small EV.
I'd certainly consider it as is with twice the range. Small commuter car has a place. I live in the county/country and decent shopping is 45 min away at minimum. Leased battery so as that technology improves, it can be further upgraded. No direct battery ownership on Chinese cars, or small cars from anywhere really. Let them eat the degradation headaches. You will be charging it often, so cycle count will be high ...
As private hire taxi driver the Hyundai iconic is probably the best all rounder for the price at minute but I'm still waiting for something better. The Skoda I saw on another channel looked quality, id love to see that in production at a reasonable price
In Ireland that car would be €25,000 after Vehicle Registration Tax(20% and up)Value Added Tax (23%) Shipping and Dealer Prep. But we are used to paying €25,000 for €10,000 vehicles. Annual Tax Burden per Person in Ireland €14,500. Think on that !
definitely would buy this, perfect for commuting to work and weekend adventures oudoors.
cheap buy, but range for those that dont live in city is rubish, my car now ( volvo xc70 ) doesnt have all this app stuff so i would like a normal car layout like an ice and have a bigger batery. Im going to wait and see what second hand prices are like when more evs come out, but i would love the rivan truck that would make my day if its below 40k spread over 5 years. We all want cheaper cars but it still seems like there keeping the evs high to get rid of the ice stock. Great vids and chanel.
Rivian is in the $70-80k range new.
@@pioneer7777777 oh thanks now im sad, looks like a lot of saving up, the kids will make do with 2 meals.
Great option with a car below 10 keur - most critical to me is the safety aspect - I would need to feel safe on my daily urban commute.........
Live in Canada, need a lot more range especially in the winter when range drops because of cold and using the heater. Other options are not really all that important to me.
I am waiting for a car like this. I hope the battery quality in terms of temperature management is better than the Nissan Leaf. I would be willing to spend a bit more even on battery management and battery size and even lose the connectivity and the screen on the dashboard as I think it causes dangerous behavior in traffic.
Happy with most of it, just make it a bit faster. And I mean just a bit, cause top speed of 105 km/h means that you would have to drive at approx 65-70 km/h to get a decent range. And I wouldnt mind paying more, since its already really cheap and you would save a lot on fuel and maintenance
14" wheels aren't "little tiny". That's actually the traditional size for compact cars, and even some mid-sized cars. Of course these days people like really big wheels (up to 22") with the narrow sidewall tires on their SUVs and crossovers.
I don't need navigation, I don't need ambient lighting, I don't need infotainment in a car.... If they took all that out, then maybe we would get reasonably priced EVs in Europe also.
remember that US prices don't include taxes, so in Europe it's instantly 20%+ more expensive at the very least, after replacing the dollar sign with the Euro sign.
For me, that car would be pointless as I spent over half my driving on the motorway, so need a top speed over 130kmh, decent accelleration, and at LEAST 450km WLTP range.
Yes, I want a cheaper EV. But I can't compromise on range and performance.
They don't have to have all the funky stuff the current EVs have. Something with the equipment level of a mid-range VW Polo is quite enough. And stripping down say an e-Soul or ID.3 to that equipment level would probably lower the price by 5-10k Euro. (so removing the lane assist, Apple car play, leather heated and cooled seats, individual climate control per seat, wireless smartphone charger, funky coloured LED internal lighting, things like that, they're fun to have but I don't need them).
As long as it has regular cruise control (so speed only), radio/CD/MP3 player (let me just plug in a USB stick if it doesn't take CDs), and a Bluetooth car kit I'm happy.
and if same come finland car has new car tax 70-80% new price, if car cost out of finland 20 000 € in finland tax and toll car cost 40-45000 € finland have out of law europe car tax, europe union has make note manytime and need pay fee to eu but finland make out of law expensive stupid tax.
Less equipment and a bigger battery would make it one to jump at in a heartbeat. My forecast is that the price will be at least 50% higher than that quoted, by the time it can be driven in the U.K. Even £12k OTR with a battery giving a genuine 200 mile Summer range would really tempt us to buy one.
The range on this car should be pretty good seeing how light the car is compared to it's battery size. I bet it will get well over 100 miles per charge.
The car is built modeling the Renault kwid and it does fit 4 adults surprisingly well. The kwid is sold in India do look it up for reference
The battery range is the most important who needs the stress the extras are a nice extra and affordable a must
We have a leaf 40 kWh tekna, are looking to replace my wife's picanto as she only goes shopping n to get her hair n nails done this would be an ideal second car. Would buy it in a flash.
I'd have one tomorrow, I have a Mitsubishi minicab miev with a range of 80klms and 41hp and a top speed of 107kl/h. So for me its range is fine, top speed is fine and it would get to the off grid Shack and back on a charge .
7-8K would seal the deal for me, paying just double the cost of a scooter (e.g Honda PCX ) and getting a car would be unbelievable. Hope UK Govt doesn't hike up the price if indeed this car is coming to UK.
I bought a used 2012 Mitsubishi I-miev in 2016 for $9000 with 12k miles on it. It has a 16Kw battery (less now) and goes 60 miles in the city now. But it can top out at 90mph and has same size motor as this Reno. So they must have put a limiter on this motor.
With Uber and my V8 limousine, I need a large long range EV with lots of room for 5 or more people. Some are trialing Tesla’s but only the 3 which is too small for Premium rides. Guess I’ll be waiting a while for affordable, long range, large EV’s.
If we talk money, this is the way. Most people want a car to go from A2B. Don't care about luxury or tech. Cheaper the better. If it is an EV that doesn't break and is cheaper to use and own, it will be a no brainier.
But, in my case, I can afford a bit more and what I look for is safety. EVs by essence are safer than ICEs. But having more safety is even better. So, in my case, I'll opt for a safer EV up to my budget. I won't care about luxury but for safety and range, of course.
"EVs by essence are safer than ICEs"
How?
$25,000, 400 mile range, 5-10 min. FULL recharge at a supercharger - These are the 3 milestones I tell my seminar attendees to look for from the EV carmakers. Once these 3 things have been achieved, THEN...it will be time for a mass adoption of EV's to potentially replace ICEV's.