This exercise, called "javelin", comes from very long time. I personally saw i9ty back at Sesto, Italy, during 1983 Interski. Back then, it was used from the fall line on , for balance. To make it usefull for the crossing "over", you must start from two parallel skis, equally loaded and lift/cross the down side ski, by twisting the corresponding foot (as if you wanted to look at the base of the ski) pulling the little toe towards you. the movement is called "invertion". As result, edge change will occur, As you do 2 or 3, try to do with your foot the same "torsion" inside the boot, without lifting or crossing the ski. you will see that the cross-over happens and your now inside ski cuts a nice carved turn…..Please, forget the hips, knees, etc., just work with the feet : lift, twist, tip, roll, THE FOOT, FEET,. balance has to be found, NOT TAUGHT.
Forget the hips, knees, what a joke ! Skiing is art, it's way more difficult to talk about just the feet for balancing. The hips is the base, the core is close so for the balance in the axis of the skis and sideways it's the only way to understand and apply the correct things to do. Shin must stay in contact on the tongues of the ski-boots, the hips must move forward for that between turns and flexing without moving back the hips. Just talk with a professional if you need to...
a good job of demoing Javelin turns for angulation but nothing for cross over or cross under. In fact the crossover is wrong it should not be done with a hop rather just a projection in the direction of the turn.
I feel relaxed When I see your skiing You sent a heart. You also manage your subscriber (smiling) What do you do in summer after winter passes? I know that South America is winter from June to August
Interesting. Long ago we had a similar drill - except with an old ski geometry (no carving) we had to jump from ski to ski Little bit confused by crossing ski. Regardless of kneework, we were taught to keep skis parallel all the time.
Javelin turns, the new inside ski is lifted and the outside ski is steered underneath that ski, there is an error here in that she is crossing the inside ski over a bit when she lifts it instead of just steering the outside ski underneath the inside ski.
Nice job. You have a very good balance. But this drill dos not improve the transition. Before you start the transition you put the inside ski on the snow and you lift up the next inside ski when the transmission is already done. It improves your angulation and also the the separation of the hips and the rest of the upper body.
Such a lovely skier. Others suggest lifting the inside ski without turning it over the outside ski, rather, turn the outside ski under the inside ski. Wondering what your thoughts are?
Ovo je već opasno" ukrstanje skija" kod stare tehnike uvjek je jedna noga-skija vodeca sa sastavljenim koljenima upravo da ne dolazi do ukrstanja skija,zbog opasne i ozbiljne povrede!
France, station DEUX Alps. And if it's the glacier, I do not think it's winter, because somewhere I read that in winter they close it. I was there doing a course in August 1980. I really like to see those trail again !! 🙂
So if you have short skis like r12 is possibile with all turn on edge, with gs 185 you could do maybe 3 turns and than you would get too much speed, so with gs is allways bit turning ski with feet to get smaller radius of turn.
is ok? but like giving a woolf red meet and ask him to be vegetarian! that wrong ski going to hunt you! is better to lift ski than cross! icrease angulation in a rib cage to increase edgeeng!
miromiro Well for a start I don’t go on piste unless the off piste is truly awful, and I don’t watch videos to improve my skiing, except perhaps videos of people actually skiing rather than doing contrived exercises. I just stumbled on this and watched out of curiosity.
You never learn proper carving off piste, you need to train on ice Torti, than you`ll understand this exercise...maybe. Everybody has his own limitations. By the way I`m a freerider as well ;)
Hello there It looks like that you do not understand what does it mean cross over> Everything that you are trying to show is hip projection that is ok for the short radius turns/ Cross over is different movement that your skier did not demonstrate at all. In addition to that when she is turning she is extending in the knees and hips that leads skis to rotate and this not good for the carving turns because the skier loosing speed
Леня, это Javelin turn drill, а не cross-over, они просто неправильно его назвали. Мне кажется она делает его не плохо, старается заезжать под поднятую лыжу не вертя корпусом. Твой комент про extension of the knee and hip вообще не понял. Можешь пояснить, pls?
Доброе время суток. Когда происходит разгибание в коленях и пояснице лыжи становятся плоско и начинают проскальзывать вместо того чтобы резать.При проскальзывании лыж резко теряется скорость что очень важно на трассе. Посмотрите на технику Шиффрин и все сразу становится понятно!
Ты, что ли, про extension during transition?! Так это нестрашно в данном случае. Это упражнение не об этом! Javelin is mostly about keeping the weight forward and over the outside ski and about lower and upper body separation. Ты-то, как продвинутый инструктор, должен это знать! И при чем здесь скорость? Они же не рейсеры, для них даже лучше что скорость теряется. Другое дело ,что во время распрямления, теряется контакт со снегом, и следовательно - контроль над лыжами, но это на данном этапе не страшно и не важно, это более продвинутые тонкости. А для могулов extenstion - даже хорошо. И то, что проскальзывание лыжи имеется - тоже нормально. Практически невозможно добиться нужной закантовки для чисто карвингового поворота выполняя Javelin turn. Скажем так - в данном упражнении, сильно смещать центр масс к центру поворота не безопасно. Да и не в этом его суть. Для этого есть другие упражнения. Вот классические примеры Javelin (заметь, с проскальзыванием and with extension): ua-cam.com/video/FrMHKDjC4XI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/TqEbiqIO4fw/v-deo.html Короче, зря ты на детишек наехал. Да, это не фига не cross-over, они не правильно его назвали; это Javelin, и делают они его неплохо. А ты им настроение портишь! :-)
Try to build it up progressively with the raising pressure to make it more fluent, start from the fall line. Remember, every movement must be connected in the smoothest way, direction less resistance. Nice position though. By us the exercise is called the "swiss cross". High level weight shifting exercise with body position, for precise (weight) pressure distribution on the edges by race carving. Improves mostly the steering.
These are not high level turns, there should be no extension in the release and instead flexing of the outside ski and tipping the new inside ski to the little toe edge.
Showing this crossing ski exercise and flexing with the hips going backward, very efficient ! Also when flexing the legs she's moving the shoulders forward, but the hips stay backward. Not interesting !
Hip to the mountain side is the goal of this exercise, for sure can happend in exercise that skier goes bit back, it is standard problem for every person learning, from beginning to advanced skiing.
Sry, sometimes, it's just to hot to wear it. What about 10 years ago, when that was not obligatory? Just another example of people being mislead into thinking, you need one, and then buying it. Sometimes, when people fall, not even a helmet would help. Greets people, just try to enjoy this beautiful video 🙏👍
This exercise, called "javelin", comes from very long time. I personally saw i9ty back at Sesto, Italy, during 1983 Interski. Back then, it was used from the fall line on , for balance. To make it usefull for the crossing "over", you must start from two parallel skis, equally loaded and lift/cross the down side ski, by twisting the corresponding foot (as if you wanted to look at the base of the ski) pulling the little toe towards you. the movement is called "invertion". As result, edge change will occur, As you do 2 or 3, try to do with your foot the same "torsion" inside the boot, without lifting or crossing the ski. you will see that the cross-over happens and your now inside ski cuts a nice carved turn…..Please, forget the hips, knees, etc., just work with the feet : lift, twist, tip, roll, THE FOOT, FEET,. balance has to be found, NOT TAUGHT.
Thanks a lot for nice info .
Skiing with feeling
... and use a helmet while skiing.
Forget the hips, knees, what a joke ! Skiing is art, it's way more difficult to talk about just the feet for balancing. The hips is the base, the core is close so for the balance in the axis of the skis and sideways it's the only way to understand and apply the correct things to do. Shin must stay in contact on the tongues of the ski-boots, the hips must move forward for that between turns and flexing without moving back the hips. Just talk with a professional if you need to...
The real pro is the camera man
Very good! Interesting exercise!
Miromiro the best ❤🇵🇱
a good job of demoing Javelin turns for angulation but nothing for cross over or cross under. In fact the crossover is wrong it should not be done with a hop rather just a projection in the direction of the turn.
Great video, thanks
I do this for fun sometime when I'm trying to engage small muscles but watching this makes my knees explode.
train some squats few weeks before skiing, skating, slack line, hikes, go on steps up and down, so it will be more fun and safe to ski.
Очень хорошее комплексное упражнение для отработки положения корпуса и давления на нижнюю лыжу
Good job!
The ski slope is also very nice.
It's the action I'm practicing right now.
its best for balance
I feel relaxed When I see your skiing
You sent a heart.
You also manage your subscriber (smiling)
What do you do in summer after winter passes?
I know that South America is winter from June to August
Interesting. Long ago we had a similar drill - except with an old ski geometry (no carving) we had to jump from ski to ski
Little bit confused by crossing ski. Regardless of kneework, we were taught to keep skis parallel all the time.
Javelin turns, the new inside ski is lifted and the outside ski is steered underneath that ski, there is an error here in that she is crossing the inside ski over a bit when she lifts it instead of just steering the outside ski underneath the inside ski.
Great video shot too. :)
Спасибо за ролик!
Love your videos Miro!!!
thanks man
Nice job. You have a very good balance. But this drill dos not improve the transition. Before you start the transition you put the inside ski on the snow and you lift up the next inside ski when the transmission is already done. It improves your angulation and also the the separation of the hips and the rest of the upper body.
this drill is not for transition it is only for hip angulation - PSIA Level 3
Excellent! Thanks 🙂. Are you going to be maybee, in Briançon, France, from March 15, 2020?
Please msg on instagram thanks.
Les Deux Alpes... Great!
Cool! Can't wait to try it out!
Miro Miro for president
Thanks
Such a lovely skier. Others suggest lifting the inside ski without turning it over the outside ski, rather, turn the outside ski under the inside ski. Wondering what your thoughts are?
great comment, so i think if it works its good, the goal is same just other focus point
Great camera work.
Bravo Miro!
Thank you for the video! Excellent technique! The place is wonderful! where is it?
It is in France Alps! Les 2 Alpes
3500m glacier
Ovo je već opasno" ukrstanje skija" kod stare tehnike uvjek je jedna noga-skija vodeca sa sastavljenim koljenima upravo da ne dolazi do ukrstanja skija,zbog opasne i ozbiljne povrede!
Your skiing is awesome! Where do you skiing for this spot?
name of the first song ? :) awesome !
no need for a word, just great 😍👍
Only need is weed
Hi, are you Bulgarian? Fantastic video! I'd be happy to ski with you.
Where can I get that bear-ear hoodie :-)
Thats a secret
@@miromiro it's cute!
Looks cool. Why would I do this again?
Why not
miromiro potential ACL reconstruction.
добро пожаловать на горнолыжный склон Архыз
But in modern ski carving twisted hips is mistake or not ? I don't understand, some one say yes some one not....
Depends on rhytm and radius, your body must support ankle movements...
Bit of twist. If you have sl skis like r12 165 little or no twist, 16m like on video here. Have fun!
Where you filmed this video/ where is so beautyfull? :)
France , Alps
Wher‘s your helmet? This is in a example video a no go👎
France, station DEUX Alps. And if it's the glacier, I do not think it's winter, because somewhere I read that in winter they close it. I was there doing a course in August 1980. I really like to see those trail again !! 🙂
Its around 1.5.2018
@@miromiro Thanks !!! 😊🤗🤗
Это где такие широкие трассы?
Архыз
Если хочеш жить - никогда не делай этого.
how to carve on black diamond runs?
So if you have short skis like r12 is possibile with all turn on edge, with gs 185 you could do maybe 3 turns and than you would get too much speed, so with gs is allways bit turning ski with feet to get smaller radius of turn.
Se faccio così sai che volo hahahahaha
is ok? but like giving a woolf red meet and ask him to be vegetarian! that wrong ski going to hunt you! is better to lift ski than cross! icrease angulation in a rib cage to increase edgeeng!
Matter of level of skiing what you teach exactly, thats a high level variation of lifting, its for racing level, you dont teach this for amateurs.
Just another completely pointless exercise to sell lessons and mar your enjoyment of skiing.
so you can try first and then you can see, but you will not get better if you just watch videos
miromiro Well for a start I don’t go on piste unless the off piste is truly awful, and I don’t watch videos to improve my skiing, except perhaps videos of people actually skiing rather than doing contrived exercises. I just stumbled on this and watched out of curiosity.
You never learn proper carving off piste, you need to train on ice Torti, than you`ll understand this exercise...maybe. Everybody has his own limitations. By the way I`m a freerider as well ;)
Les 2 alpes is better
Alternate between "Javelin Turns" and modified "Royal Christies" to bring all 4 edges into play to fine tune B.E.R.P. !!
Great video! Helped me alot!!!
Hello there It looks like that you do not understand what does it mean cross over> Everything that you are trying to show is hip projection that is ok for the short radius turns/ Cross over is different movement that your skier did not demonstrate at all. In addition to that when she is turning she is extending in the knees and hips that leads skis to rotate and this not good for the carving turns because the skier loosing speed
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Леня, это Javelin turn drill, а не cross-over, они просто неправильно его назвали. Мне кажется она делает его не плохо, старается заезжать под поднятую лыжу не вертя корпусом. Твой комент про extension of the knee and hip вообще не понял. Можешь пояснить, pls?
Доброе время суток. Когда происходит разгибание в коленях и пояснице лыжи становятся плоско и начинают проскальзывать вместо того чтобы резать.При проскальзывании лыж резко теряется скорость что очень важно на трассе. Посмотрите на технику Шиффрин и все сразу становится понятно!
Ты, что ли, про extension during transition?! Так это нестрашно в данном случае. Это упражнение не об этом! Javelin is mostly about keeping the weight forward and over the outside ski and about lower and upper body separation. Ты-то, как продвинутый инструктор, должен это знать!
И при чем здесь скорость? Они же не рейсеры, для них даже лучше что скорость теряется. Другое дело ,что во время распрямления, теряется контакт со снегом, и следовательно - контроль над лыжами, но это на данном этапе не страшно и не важно, это более продвинутые тонкости. А для могулов extenstion - даже хорошо.
И то, что проскальзывание лыжи имеется - тоже нормально. Практически невозможно добиться нужной закантовки для чисто карвингового поворота выполняя Javelin turn. Скажем так - в данном упражнении, сильно смещать центр масс к центру поворота не безопасно. Да и не в этом его суть. Для этого есть другие упражнения.
Вот классические примеры Javelin (заметь, с проскальзыванием and with extension):
ua-cam.com/video/FrMHKDjC4XI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/TqEbiqIO4fw/v-deo.html
Короче, зря ты на детишек наехал. Да, это не фига не cross-over, они не правильно его назвали; это Javelin, и делают они его неплохо. А ты им настроение портишь! :-)
i know now thanks
Try to build it up progressively with the raising pressure to make it more fluent, start from the fall line. Remember, every movement must be connected in the smoothest way, direction less resistance. Nice position though. By us the exercise is called the "swiss cross". High level weight shifting exercise with body position, for precise (weight) pressure distribution on the edges by race carving. Improves mostly the steering.
Next level would be starting to build it up slower, earlier than the falline...really good exercise for racing level.
@@fly_achensee thanks for so good comment you are pro . Have good skiing 😀
These are not high level turns, there should be no extension in the release and instead flexing of the outside ski and tipping the new inside ski to the little toe edge.
Showing this crossing ski exercise and flexing with the hips going backward, very efficient ! Also when flexing the legs she's moving the shoulders forward, but the hips stay backward. Not interesting !
Hip to the mountain side is the goal of this exercise, for sure can happend in exercise that skier goes bit back, it is standard problem for every person learning, from beginning to advanced skiing.
@@miromiro well, you're talking with an old racing skier and ski instructor, so I know exactly what I'm talking about...
@@cedricmichaud3760 for sure you have trained eye to see every peace in puzzle of skiing
Nice smile and nice music~
Would you let me know BGM title?
im not shure what is name
I miss Iris.
voys avez une tres belle allure de ski, fluide, douce, la demonstration a ete tres bien filmee.
Merci!
I see o small jump...you didnt tell us....
Jump is not in focus of lesson
@@miromiro ok...
Where is this video filmed? Thanks in advance.
Les 2 alpes France
@@miromiro Many thanks.
@@garyhaigh6074 it is open and allways sun and good snow, supernice place for skiing, you should go!
cool, very nice Bro) wait winter )))
Edges are important,
I will try this drill next winter.
O.k
nice
Very nice😘👍
Helpfull, thank you
What about the helmet ?? Shame on you...
Sry, sometimes, it's just to hot to wear it. What about 10 years ago, when that was not obligatory? Just another example of people being mislead into thinking, you need one, and then buying it. Sometimes, when people fall, not even a helmet would help. Greets people, just try to enjoy this beautiful video 🙏👍
HELMET IS NOT OBLIGATORY !!!!
You are a bad role model!! You need a helmet!!!
Yes helmet always good
I wear a helmet but you are wrong thinking that it should be used forcibly by others.