CZ 600 Trail .223 Rem In Detail
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
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Bloke was so impressed by the CZ 600 Trail belonging to @PolenarTactical that he used on Day 2 of Lynx Brutality 2023 that he had to acquire one. It's a very interesting design of high speed low drag turnbolt rifle (available in .223 Rem, .300 BLK and 7.62x39) but isn't without a few strange design choices and a few flaws.
0:00 Introduction and discussion on bolt action rifles and CZ 600 Trail
1:34 The need for bolt action rifles with large magazines
5:14 Examination and critique of CZ 600 Trail's features
13:39 Review and assessment of the rifle and suggestions for improvement
16:28 Accuracy discussion and debunking the 1 minute of angle myth
19:11 Customizing the rifle
19:29 Promo: Weapons and War TV
20:32 Wrap-up and viewer support encouragement
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Good detailed yet understandable explanation. Thanks for the effort. This is about $1500 Kanuck bucks if you can find one in Soviet Kanuckistan.
Good Luck at Lynx Brutality. Can't wait to see what everyone brings this year.
A lot of us will shoot AKs - that was actually Ian's decision :D
@@PolenarTactical Ian, Ian Ian it's always Ian...
No, most rifles are not MOA tack drivers. But, neither are the shooters. Thanks!
good comment.
Except Tikkas 😎
It all boils down to what I’ve always said, you can’t buy skill.
That's a pretty nifty new toy you've got there, it looks very cool.
Good review, possibly worth mentioning the MLOK is set up for short magpul MLOK standard (the short screws not the long screws, you can buy bags of these from magpul and their distributors). I have the magpul picatinny bipod mounted upfront, nice, light and compact. In terms of groupings, as always it partly ammunition dependent, but I do agree with your broader comment in regard to sub-moa rifles. Any thing is possible with three round groupings but it changes with 30 round groupings. I have found with the 20 inch 1:9 twist version of this, the maximum PBR to be ~250 yds (4 in) or 330 yds (8 in), best general use zero is 33 yds (30m).
Seen on social media on the bent bolt handle. Definitely would be reminiscent of the P14/M1917 way of things. On the American side of things, this rifle would be a bit of a hard sell since if they want a .223 bolt gun in this configuration, chassis systems for the Mossberg MVP and the Ruger American exist. And the Trail is pricier than either of those rifles, especially if it doesn't have the precision rifle accuracy. It would be interesting to see a head-to-head with the Trail and either the American or the MVP, though I do think that the Trail might beat them in terms of cycle time for multiple reasons.
Still, I do like the concept of this rifle. I sure hope CZ listens and improves this system plus offering it at a better price.
The trail is considerably more expensive to produce than the Ruger American. I don't understand how you can expect to match price against a very cheaply made basic bolt action in a simple plastic stock.
@@SurmaSampo This is why a performance test would be interesting. Based on how people praise the American and how accurate it can be (obviously not sub-MOA even though some claim it can do that, but still quite accurate), as well as chassis systems on offer from multiple companies, the Trail can be a hard sell for a lot of people.
For a "cheapmade bolt action in a simple plastic stock," the Ruger American can do a lot, apparently.
@@TheOz91 And apparently the Gen 2 has a much smoother bolt.
Thanks for an interesting review.
Looks like a fun rifle, if a bit pricey.
But still nice to see that CZ have not lost their flair for making appealing rifles.
Their humble .22 rimfire hunting rifles always used to be the best first choice for great value entry level guns.
Some more exotic German makers made even nicer sporters, if you could find one at a sensible price.
Good to see I'm not the only who uses Crown Royal bags for various "bag needs".
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If you find yourself looking for a new LPVO, have a look at the delta stryker 1-6. very bright red dot and extremely thin bezel. I think for this sort of application (compact, mostly freehand shooting but with some capability to push ranges) it's the best of the compromises.
im pretty excited about the 600 MDT version
Especially if they can deliver it around the estimated price point 1900-2300€
🇦🇺😎👍I held one at Christmas and I didn’t like how the buttstock wobbled
Nice thorough review. I was considering getting one in 300 blackout. My goal is to get a suppressor for whatever brand and model in 300 blackout. I was hoping the weight was a pound lighter.
Excellent review, thank you. Have you tried the Hornady 52gr HPBT through it, funnily enough I get better groups through my Haenel CR223 with the above mentioned ammo. Talking Sub MOA with a Steiner 536 @ 100m. If CZ were to drop the price to a for mr more realistic price then I would get one, before I forget, do the GI 20rnd mags click in on an open bolt?, how much needs to be taken off the Pmags for them to function properly? As always, I had to watch this video twice 🤭🫣 so take two likes 👍 All ze best from DE from this expat 😁
Haven't tried 20 round GI's, but 30 rounders won't engage. If your P-mag is shaving, it's just a touch of material off the top. I haven't tried the Hornady 52gn, but I doubt this rifle would like it. I have tried real GP90 and it was horrible (it's amazing stuff through my Schmeisser straight pull though)
I got the 600 Trail in 7.62x39. VERY discrete with Hornady Sub-X subsonic 255gr hunting loads and a can. Issues with the proprietary Bren 2 magazines. About half of them need to have the feed lips dressed down with a file. Not a big deal, but a bit unexpected considering how difficult the magazines were to acquire. The gun came with one hand-picked mag and I had to order extras from Chechia. Finally found them for a much better price in the US only to discover that many don't fit without some modification.
I feel like CZ has enough pointers to release a gen 2 version
If this rifle was 600e nobody would care, but for the price, i would expect better.
Its not a bad rifle and i love mine but there is a lot of room for improvement
@PolenarTactical IMO the biggest improvement CZ could make for the money would be to supply a right-side cheek piece for the buttstock to accommodate left-handed shooters (I'm a mighty but practice "hot swaps" to shoot around barricades) With the ambidextrous safety and magazine release it seems like quite an omission.
Nice looking rifle, and a really clever bolt! Re the stocknlength: Instead of faffing with para cord and stuff, why not either shorten the rear ends of the bars (this might require not locking cuts for the collapsed position) or make new slots at the riggt length (if it's not too close to the current intermediate position)? Either should be easy on the Chap's milling machine.
Tried cutting new slots. The rods are glass hard, can't be separated from the butt plate (they're overmoulded) and the slots are at an odd angle. Would need specialist grinding tools.
Your Tikka Artic would be Sweet 👍
Looking forward to your Lynx brutality vid. Would be cool to do something like it at Greene Rod and Gun Club in Greene NY.
Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
I have a foreboding about that folding stock it will eventually bend or work loose, I would not like to take a tumble or trip on this platform especially running around an assault course. I do hope that I am wrong about this as travelling with all the paperwork and fuss would be a great disaster half way through a brutallaty match ,I can see a use for it getting in and out of a vehicle where space is a problem but I personally would like a nice solid one (if this gets a good work out i would like to see how it lasts )👍
It’s definitely a confused rifle. Skeleton stock, lightweight chassis, polymer everywhere-but a heavy sporter barrel?
Seems like a fluted or carbon-jacketed barrel would fit the advertised use-case of the rifle.
One of those if we had unlimited slots on the FAC rifles at £1300 for me.
The bolt handle looks like a fairly simple part other than the multiple bends required for the shape you want to end up with... I think I'd be tempted to turn up a longer than necessary blank with the appropriate tapped hole in the bolt body end and figure out how to get each bend with a little jig and some heat... then cut it to the length you want and glue a suitable knob on after.
I'm not sure why altering the receiver would be needed - surely it's possible to clear the receiver at the designed angle and then dogleg back for the position you want?
Fight for cheese 😉
Hi bloke
Canny wait to see what you can do with that
Keep up the good excellent informative quality content bestest from Scotland 👍👍👍
Seen one this year in at an hunting show, handles lovely and that stock triggers old G3 memories. When they told me that it is 1:7" on a Bren barrel blank, I was sold too. Set of flat folding iron sights, an can and my Scout/hunting rifle is done. No big bummer that only poly mags work - had to crush my mag collection back then to apace my retarded legislativ. Only kept the springs.... oh FDM😎
I like the rifle but I'm annoyed that it replaced the 527 instead of keeping it in production.
Thinking of this or schmessier ar15 for civilian service rifle at bisley, would appreciate your input😊all the best from sunny Troon (whatever the votive candles for I wish you sucess)
Just saw the trigger weight bit, thank feck I watched this ,was only told last week by club captain to READ the rules,saved my bacon sir
It's fine for Practical Optic but not Service Optic, which is a shame.
Wondering what you think of Savage
Good luck at lynx brutality. Will the utility crown royal bag make the trip?
Thanks! The bag normally comes with me indeed!
Did you ever get into the products from Armalon UK? I'm not sure if they even trade anymore but they specialised in No 4 conversions and 700s. All mag fed in pistol and rifle calibres.
I was around when his PC's came out. Seemed fun, if a bit heavy and over-engineered.
🇦🇺😎👍Great review mate 🏁
Funny to hear someone saying C Zed instead of C Zee...😊 Wonder how the chaps at CZ Pronounce it..?
Minor incident. Human error.
Did someone try and send 300BLK down a 223 barrel per chance? 🤔
Looks like a nice setup.
My old teammate back home has gotten himself one among some of his other brass and lead flingers.
And a progressive reloading wotsit. Love watching them work.
Also. Yes. That bolt is so greasy you have summoned groundskeeper Willie... 😅👍
In theory it looks like you could use a pistol stock like the Hera Arms CQR Stock with this? Or is the bolt gonna come back and hit it?
The chassis is proprietary so it's a lot of work to put anything else on there.
Another point the collapsible stock positions allow you to use different scopes and electro-optical devices with very different eye relief.
Actually, it doesn't. The stock has only two extended positions.
@@dbmail545 No it doesn't it has three including fully extended. I know this because I own one. It does allow you to use different types of optic with different lengths of eye relief - I know this because I run everything from RDS/HWS/Prism/thermal and conventional FFP 4-16 X 50. If you're going to comment please stick with facts. Not only does the stock reduce weight, it allows you to adjust your head position relative to an optic which helps with optics with short eye relief. Lots of misinfo on this firearm, mainly from the US. You head position changes when shooting prone relative to off hand - again good reason for adjustable stock.
Nice! I’ve only seen .223 in the US. Have you seen the 7.62x39? I would like some short 7.62x39 mags for my Bren 2 but can’t find any this side of the pond
I've seen them, not shot them though. And I suspect that the 300blk ones rather make them obsolete, but we'll see.
@@BlokeontheRange Agreed, as luck would have it I’ve finally spotted a 7.62x39 tonight. Thanks for the awesome video as usual!
Greg Cote LLC has them for $25
Greg Cote LLC in St. John, FL has the 10 and 30 rounders for a decent price. About half what they cost from Czechia.
@@BlokeontheRange the Hornady 7.62x39 Sub-X subsonic 255gr hunting load beats .300BO all hollow
The bolt handle would be easy to just make a new one versus buying a replacement and modifying it.
Would love your thoughts on the Arisaka rifle family. They seem to have taken a lot of design cues from your beloved SMLE but with a different attitude towards the sights.
I'd be interested to know what you think the design cues are
@@BlokeontheRange off the top of my head you have a cock on close action for rapid fire and sights that lend themselves well to that. 7.7 is also very similar to 303 and I think was inspired directly by it.
Wish that someone would offer a pump action AR platform .
There are several pump AR's on the market.
Yup, get those self loading rifle shooters taught a lesson Mike!
The scope rail needs to go back further to accommodate an Acog or Elcan.
No it doesn't. I have one in 1x4 and its absolutely fine.
Another cpl of precision data points, 8 round group at 100m from bipod, 0.2 MIL (2cm) and 10 round group 0.25 MIL (2.5cm). So again both groups under 1MOA. Also reporting a total of 8 lite strikes, with two different types of ammunition.
Do you agree that it prefers 69 grains or heavier?
@@stigcc I get very good results with 55gr Blitzking and 69gr sierra match king.
The closest one I found costs a little over $1000. There's too many US brands that make bolt action rifles that use AR magazines that cost half of that or so. CZ makes good stuff, though. Best .22 bolt actions on the market.
This has a cold hammer forged barrel.
Could the pistol grip be modified to have a QD sling point mounted/built into the upper right side?
Maybe, but my hand has to go there.
@@BlokeontheRange D’oh, I meant upper left… No room on the left rear of the receiver near where the stock slides? Talking of the stock, any decent machine shop should be able to mill another stop position into the rails where you want it.
Nah, not really, it's pretty busy there.
Only change I would make is have it in 308 and carbon fiber barrel etc get the weight down as much as possible basically a recce rifle
Nice ideas. I would like it in 6.8spc
... Plastic ties (zip ties)!. You can get stong types these days/colours!.
BCL is making similar one for half the price called Bison
Thanks for the heads-up on that one, I'll take a look.
With these model specific collapsing stocks it seems companies put just enough engineering into them so they function and little else. Yet it is the USP of the rifle. Perhaps they would have been better with a folder?
I think they were going for compactness for the backpack rifle market in the US.
@@BlokeontheRange Yes I know. But it isn't great is it? I know collapsing stocks and folding stocks are something that exist at the edge of known physics and they are all a bit off. But as I said it is the USP for the rifle. It is very nice though.........
“There was an incident” bad that I know without looking that someone put a .300 BLK in a .223 and blew it up.
Nope, wasn't that...
@@BlokeontheRangewell now I’m extra curious
I’m very interested in getting a .223 for range fun
I’ve been intrigued by both the CZ trail and the Schmeisser (straight pull)
As an owner of both I wondered if you had an opinion? Context: a shooter who was just looking to have fun (not competitive)
The Schmeisser straight pull is more accurate. I think the Trail is more fun, particularly now I've modified the bolt handle
Thanks!
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If it's not A semi it needs A full 20 inch barrel IMO, I'd also go 1/8 twist. I think an argument could be made for side charging forward on the left side.
Nah, there's no reason to have side charging forwards on the left side on a bolt action,...
Do you ever complete a full thought before spewing onto a keyboard?
@@Sparks00psn GFY
@@BlokeontheRange Sure there is you can stay on the gun and it would be faster with the right movement of the action.
Sometimes there's a very, very good reason why people haven't done something ;) People have put left-hand side chargers on straight-pulls (but not forward) and it only makes sense off a bipod or rest, for everything else it's a disaster. For a bolt action the idea is very, very silly indeed, I'm sorry.
That would be great I'm 300 Bo!.
It exists, you can buy one
@@BlokeontheRange I looked it up. It exists, I can't afford one. But it does look pretty nice.
Find.a local metal fabrication shop and ask them to make a new bolt handle tge is longer amd dog legged. It wont cost much.
A salty thumbs-up, as wrong as that might sound 😮
What about those Q offerings or is it just not very European friendly
They're like 3X more expensive than the Trail even in the US.
If you want to pay 3k instead of 1k
Interesting. Looking forward to seeing what you do to and do with the rifle.
Umm, did you ever get your loose butt fixed? 😁
Not got around to it yet!
"... ans see how many semi-auto shooters I can shoo... I can beat."
Jeez, Bloke, I didn't think you had that much malice towards us normie semi-auto users, lol!
Child safety lock firing pin😅😅😅
Ruger American, thrice the accuracy at a third of the cost. Mosberg too.
Who knew looks increased price more than performance?
I'm sorry, I just can't love a rifle doesn't shoot moa 90% of the time.
I bet you none of those do either 😉
When i was doing testing with my CZ600 Trail both 69gn and 77gn made a sub MOA grouping with first 5 shots and then it opens up.
So maybe Mike and i are doing this incorrectly - i bet CZ would like us better if we start cherry picking our groupings and lie to naive UA-cam viewers :D
@@PolenarTactical I live in Czechia and I wanted this rifle, than I saw some accuracy testing videos and I was disapointed. I see no reason why this rifle is not a good shooter, because all the rest of CZ rifles are very accurate and the barrel should be of the same quality.... It is the same with Sig Cross- very good looking rifle but groups are very poor.
Yesterday I was consistently hitting a full-size figure target at 550m and a head/shoulders target at 430m with RUAG 69gn ammo, and I hadn't calculated my hold-overs. I'm totally satisfied with that performance out of a backpack rifle. I'm tempted to get a CZ 600 Alpha just to make the comparison and I'd expect it to be better due to conventional stocking-up but we'll see...
Oh, and the accuracy claim from CZ on the Alpha is 1 MOA with 3 shot groups lol... So I don't expect it to do *much* better than the Trail over 10 rounds.
Kinda disappointing. I wish they would have more time on engineering it..
There's certainly a few points that can be improved on, but I spent part of yesterday morning nailing full-height figure targets at 550m and a head/shoulders target at 430m. Which is not at all bad from a .223 backpack gun with a telescoping butt.
@@BlokeontheRange Agreed, enjoying mine and getting decent groupings out at 400m without any effort whatsoever using Blitz king. Its about an 18 inch drop at ~ 400m (about 1.4MIL off a 40 yd - 270 yd zero), so easy peasy. I liked it sufficiently enough to buy a FFP scope for it. Haven't gone beyond 400m as I see it ideally suited out to around 300m which is the approx point the round losses its ability to fragment well.
I see this as a solution for a politically caused problem while we are giving all kinds of things to other nations . In America we kinda still have the second amendment in the non free zone’s of our country. Did you watch our president’s state of the union address? I don’t know where our country is going he is causing much division
No he isn't you nutter.
Trump lost. 4 years ago. Get ever your self.
You're saying snowflake Trump & the Republicans never denigrate political opponents & sow division? 😂
Hah! And the Orange that would be King is sowing divisiveness like farmers in Iowa laying down manure on their fields. Get over your conservofascist self…
This is not about the orange one I’m saying is this the best this country has to offer for a another four years and we just have to accept this back and forth bickering of who is worse it’s very sad. I should have said they are and not just he . I’ve been voting for forty years and both sides are corrupt and profit from their position’s
For a rifle that costs over 1000 Euros, this is a garbage rifle. You can buy a real rifle for this money.
I think you like the form factor and struggle to find reasons to love it.
Do you own one, I do and I can assure you its a very effective firearm. Particularly with the 20 inch barrel.
"large magazines" _laughs in EU country that has recently banned those_