Every junior officer in the British army learnt 2 things How to pass the port And to listen to your Sergeant Major, your Sergeant, and anyone who knew more than you. (Everyone basically) Though elderly for their ranks Chard and Bromhead were junior enough to know when to listen. Dalton had brains and experience, the officers had brain enough to listen. I've always thought their greatest merit is in that willingness to listen.
As a retired Sapper we were taught Corps history, I remember sitting on the block steps of 66 Sqn Junior Leaders Regiment listening to the battle of Rorke' Drift. I had seen the film and knew that Lt Chard RE VC was incharge, however my Sergeant's informed us that the real hero's of the battle were commissariat Dalton VC and Colour Sergeant Bourne DCM.
There was 3 battles in the opening 48 hours of the Anglo-Zulu War 1879 - Isandlawana,Rorkes Drift and Nyezane River. The latter is overshadowed by the former more famous battles. However Zulu KIA from the Battle of Nyezane River is estimated at 400-600. Modern historians put the combined death toll for Zulu KIA from these 3 battles at 2,500-3,000 warriors.
As a retired military officer and the son of a retired CIA and Air America member, I learned many years ago that opinions of not worth much. "BELIEVE NOTHING. QUESTION EVERYTHING. LOOK FOR ANSWERS. WHEN YOU THINK YOU HAVE FOUND THE ANSWER QUESTION THAT."
Dalton, as acknowledged in the official Regimental records of the 24th (of which I possess a copy), and as acknowledged by Chard in his letter to Queen Victoria. Dalton received a special salute as a recently retired civilian in the crowd when the 24th embarked at the end of their tour from SA
It's a travesty Dalton's character in the film 'Zulu' was portrayed as such a camp pussy! The more I watch and read, the more this man's name crops up. Undoubtedly a leader and warrior, and someone the younger 24th soldiers would have looked up to during the heat of battle.
While the original film Zulu is deservedly a classic, Zulu War and military historians are aware of its many inaccuracies. For a start the troops defending the Drift are called The South Wales Borderers, when in fact its correct name was the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot. And despite the impression given by the movie, most of the men fighting for the British were were recruited from the industrial towns and agricultural classes of England, principally from Birmingham and adjacent southwest counties, only 10 soldiers of the 1/24 that fought in the battle were Welsh. Many of the soldiers of the junior battalion, the 2/24, were Welshmen. Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, one was a Scot, and three were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown. The over emphasis on 'Welshness' was due to the producer and actor (he plays Chard) who was a staunch Welsh nationalist. And of course nobody, as far as history records, sang Men of Harlech. Time for an accurate remake I think.
It would be interesting to know which actors would be chosen to play the various roles, if the producers wanted more historical accuracy. Also, there were just not enough of those wonderful Victorian moustaches in the two films!
So happy to see this. Have always loved learning about this war and this battle after I saw the movie Zulu as a kid, wrote a battle analysis on this when I was a young infantry officer and found out he was so instrumental in the defense.
i think evry solger at roke's drift was a hero the fact that thay all stand strong in a ficht between a mutch larger zulu force is incredible i salute evry brave man who fought thare .
Another excellent bit of history. As a former soldier of B, Rorke's Drift Coy, 1RRW and history buff of the Zulu campaign, I think the Victoria Crosses given out were more political than worthy. Brave soldiers no doubt, who faced overwhelming odds at the hands of drugged up (fact) disciplined Zulu warriors. Also the catastrophic battle of Isandlwana just before helped lighten the disaster with the hand out of the V.C's. Dalton, from what I have researched was kept down after the battle and thoroughly deserved his V.C. Even though late. Thanks for posting. Cant wait for the next one.
@@redcoathistory Our Company were made to watch the film when they joined the battalion on the anniversary of the battle, and from what I was told, the best soldiers were picked to go to B, Rorke's Drift Company. I joined the battalion in Warminster, then served in Hong Kong, Malaysia and Northern Ireland. I took it upon myself to research the history. My Great Grandfather served in the 10th battalion, Welsh Regiment and was killed in action at Mametz Wood on the 12th July 1916. I have the letter that was sent home to his wife stating that he was KIA. I have it in a frame.
@@welshwarrior5263 I’m glad to hear that Rorkes Drift is still so well commemorated and remembered by the descendants of the old 24th. It sounds like you have a connection to every famous battle fought by Welsh regiments - Mametz wood must have been horrific. Thanks for the info mate and keep in touch.
Hi Chris As one mil history geek to another- your videos are excellent, thankyou so much, quality stuff, and I can only imagine the hours you put in to produce a 10 minute video. I'm literally just back at my B&B in Glencoe after visiting Rorkes Drift and Isandlwana. You are absolutely right about Dalton's choices- the slight rise to the north of the hospital was well chosen: particularly with a 1.2 m high mealie bag wall. I walked down to the bottom of the rise and looked up -it is definitely micro tactical key terrain... BTW nothing wrong with being a loggie like Dalton... (that's what I currently do in the military 😀)
@@redcoathistory Cheers Chris- not p....ssing in your poche here, but you are seriously good at this- of course we don't see the misstarts and retakes ( nor should we) but what comes out is a seamlessly professional product (IMHO) Coming here and thinking about these engagements, you quickly sooooo get how the South African wars strongly shaped British military tactical thinking in the 1914 BEF. Consider- the emphasis on marksmanship, the adoption of the excellent 10 round magazine SMLE MK III, the doctrine of cavalry to fight dismounted (=using the very same SMLE-when other cavalry forces like the French were still wearing breastplates and swords) and the universal issue of entrenching tools.....spilt blood unfortunately seems to be the only way armies learn I'm afraid! Go well mate! (BTW, me =Australian Army, you picked it, I think)
Thank you, another great episode. I love history and it’s so refreshing to hear someone so passionate bringing these great campaigns to life. I will watch your podcast. Have a great day 👍
I am ex RAF, ex DIA. I have been involved in many actions in many locations, many ground engagements and naval and air actions. British forces have fought in many places against many foes that have gone unrecorded and mostly remain secret now and probably forever. But the results of our involvement have often been the stuff of legend. Afghamistan in the 1980's, Angola, Vietnam, Northern Russia, Columbia to name a few. Our numbers seldom great, our results never spoken of. The British Soldier is the best in the world and we continue to be. Our Vetrans are forgotten, with seldom any respect. With over 4 million ex military in the UK today we deserve better representation. The politicians have never deserved our loyalty and effectiveness.
Sounds like you RAF guys were busy everywhere - I hadn't realised airmen were so busy in so many places. I also wasn't aware there were 4 million ex-military in the UK. Thanks for sharing.
Chard, who was in temporary command of Rorke's Drift, wasn't even present when the decision was taken to build defences. He was at his post on the river when Adendorff arrived and told him what happened at Isandhlwana and that the Zulu impi was on the way. At the same time he received a note from Bromhead and when he arrived at the house he agreed with the decision to build defences and added his own knowledge of field fortifications.
The anniversary date of the battle this month- you must have a Rourke's Drift drink ! Some Boer War episodes would be jolly as well. Thanks for the episodes !
Bravo sir! Great work. Rorkes Drift has fascinated me all my life. True heroism on both sides. I'd like to see you do the Glorious Glosters at the imjin river in the Korean war.
Hi Andy - great stuff. One day maybe I'll get as far as covering the Korean war, but I suspect that is still a few years away. First I want to focus on the Anglo Boer War and the Indian Mutiny for a bit (once my Peninsular war season is complete). Keep in touch though mate.
I've read that Bromhead consulted Dalton by virtue of his experience and knowledge and it is said that he replied "nothing remains but to fight" since attempting to flee would mean being overtaken and slaughtered by the impi. Ian Knight used this quote as the title of one of his books. The film "Zulu" although a ripping yarn is not entirely accurate with character embellishments inserted by the American film makers. I would recommend the Donald Morris book "The Washing of the Spears", a history of the Zulu nation and their eventual subjugation. Great descriptions of numerous battles of all Zulu wars and also the political machinations of Sir Bartle Frere who brought about the war. Not a boring page in the book, I've read it at least 20 times
Hi, if possible would you please do a video about the later 2nd Zulu uprising of 1888? My Fathers Grandfather was posted there that year and I’m very curious about this for personal reasons. It would be interesting to know about this because mainly it is the earlier Campaigns of 1879 that get most attention. Thank you
I read somewhere that while he was a sergeant he was sent on a field fortification course by the army. That might have been quite useful if true. Also, I know he didn't get a VC but I'd love to see an episode about colour sergeant Frank Bourne.
Nice one thanks mate - yes I’ll definitely do something on Bourne as he is also the man I find most interesting in many ways. . . Not least because he ended up as a Lt colonel
The book "Rorke's Drift" by Michael Glover mentions Dalton's field fortification course. It also states that Dalton laid out the improvised fortifications around the buildings at the Drift while Chard was overseeing work to secure the ferry ponts in mid-stream, prior to the arrival of the Zulus. On his return to the buildings, Chard had the good sense to endorse Dalton's arrangements for the fortifications and they both then worked to ensure their completion prior to the battle.
Hi there - it may be something for the future but I’ll be honest I would have to start my research from scratch as I know next to nothing about those battles...
He got a VC. So he cant be an unsung hero. Unsung means you don’t get credit.. he got the credit he deserved. Sounds like an old hard ass sergeant, did his job no doubt.
Yes indeed. our man James Langley Dalton VC. He is a hard man to pin down. After many years of research I have been unable to find concrete evidence to support what is known or assumed about James. . I shan't go into all the possibilities of his birth etc - suffice to say I have found absolutely no concrete evidence supporting the commonly held belief that he was born in London. Until I can pinpoint his parents (of which there are a few possibilities) I can only say he was born between 1831 and 1834, place unknown. However that said, below I have quoted his death notice verbatim: DEATH NOTICE - (filed 15th January 1889) 1) Name of deceased: James Langley Dalton 2) Birth Place of deceased: Ireland 3) Names of Parents: Unknown 4) Age of deceased: About 50 5) Condition in life: Asst Commissioned Officer, Lieut in rank, formally enlisted the 85th Regt. 6) Married or Unmarried, widower or widow: Unknown 7) The day of the decease: 7th January 1887 8) At what house or where person died: The Grosvenor Hotel, Kept by Mr Williams, of Heart Disease, Suddenly 9) Names of Children whether Minors or Majors: THIS AREA IS LEFT BLANK. 10) Whether deceased has left any property and of what kind: Clothing. ((One word that I'm unable to discern what it says)) £80 in the Standard Bank, and cash £6.13.0 and some shares at Barleston? or could be Barbeston? again not 100% certain of what it says. NB: The Grosvenor Hotel, was located in Port Elizabeth, Natal, South Africa.
Enjoyed the video. Do any of y'all know if officer's commissions were still purchased at this time, or had the system of promotion already been modified?
it was abolished on 1 November 1871, as part of the Cardwell Reforms, so some eight years before the battle of Rorke's Drift. As an Engineer, Chard was awarded his lieutenant's rank in 1868 on passing out at the military acadamy at Woolwich. Bromhead, as an infantry officer, most likely had to purchase his 1867 Ensign's commission, but I doubt he would have paid for his lieutenant's commission in 1871 Though purchasing of comissions was, after the charge of light brigade, investigated by the Commission on Purchase, from 1855, and this reported unfavourably on the practice. With lots of money 'invested' in purchased regimental commissions then I don't know if the practice was tapered off or action was stalled until the wider army reforms.
Hey really like your podcast and channel! Love to visit SA sometime...I had some good friends from there during my time in Afghanistan...security contractors...
Thanks so much for the compliment and subscription! I have alot of respect for the British military. I was in Basra Iraq in 2008 when we did the turnover. Made some good friends from the Royal Marines..and the 5th Rifles...good fellows...funny how fast time goes by! Great videos and production to! I'm fairly new to all this but definitely have the love of military history as well...
I wonder if Dalton's VC citation was deliberately left as 'For his conspicuous gallentry...' as some form of dissent from the army command over the imposition of this award over their initial choices. Was he initially overlooked or was he perhaps slated for a DCM?
The depiction of Pte Henry Hook VC was scandalous. He was an exemplary soldier and no malingerer as in the film. He came from Churchdown in Gloucestershire.
@Coll Maxwell You are right. Hook's family did make a formal complaint so that is probably why we know about it. He died in 1905 the film came out in 1964. Not enough time to bullshit about people. C/Sgt Bourne died in May 1945 by then a Lt, Col.
During my service I have seen many good men overlooked or ignored and sycophants promoted decorated and lauded, what we call other buggers efforts . A lot of the time it’s just an accident you get recognised, I saw many a gong won that was never awarded. I did 27 years with the colours + 4 wars+ 14 mates KIA, none of whom were awarded a gong.
They weren’t seen as regular soldiers and I believe my name sake was instrumental in organising the last redoubt and was over looked as many Irish were.
Back in my day Dalton was claimed by the Rickshaws Camels and Taxis AND the Rag And Oil Company as theirs, I suppose that as they are now both wed into the Royal Army Logistics Corps, that argument has been settled. Army snobbery had to have a redcoat officer the hero, but I too believe Dalton was the real hero.
@@redcoathistory Thank you, is there a map or chart that plots the white cairns at islandwana, I've tried to find one but would you have come across one in your work?
@@redcoathistory I've found with Google earth its just not detailed enough. I've managed to locate an area that looks like it could be Durnfords men and the last stand before the break for the buffolo river is clear enough. But other than that I've not been able to locate any more.
@@andrewrigby2763 Have you seen my videos walking the ground at Isandlwana? You can see many of them in that. If memory serves there are a number around rocky ridge then they lead back to the camp, many are around the base of the mountain close to the carpark and then a number stretch back along fugitives trail towards the Manzinyama.
Hi Chris. I'm interested in your comment about Dalton and the Red River Expedition. I've heard before mention of Dalton being involved, but I've written a book on the subject and he certainly did not crop up in any of the documents pertaining to the expedition that I trolled through. Is there a citation for this somewhere that you can direct me to? It would actually be great if one of the Rorke's Drift veterans had been associated with the RR Expedition earlier in his career. Thank you.
Hi Paul, it's quoted a lot in the literature I have - I will try and find you a specific reference. I haven't been through his personnel records at the PRO tho so I can't direct you to a specific document in the archive.
PS - while not an "official" reference, a quick google search to check I'm not going mad (debatable of course) shows a number of references to his service in Canada including here www.rorkesdriftvc.com/vc/dalton.htm - when I get time to go through my books ill let you know
Thanks for your response Chris. I saw those as well. I can't say I sought out his records either while doing the research for my book, though this was for the simple reason that his name never cropped up in any of the expedition's records, and I trolled through a great deal of information. Certainly not every name of every man who participated is mentioned, but most of the officers were. After my book was published Dalton's name did crop up. I'm trying to remember who the discussion was with, but it might have been my editor at Helion. My memory is that we found something to indicate that he'd been in Canada earlier in the decade but was gone by the time of the Red River Expedition. I'm searching through my files to see if I can confirm that conversation. In any case, if you have an interest in more Red River Expeditionary force information, the last British Army military campaign in North America and Garnet Wolseley's first independent command, the book is called Journey Through the Wilderness and was published by Helion and Co. Good video by the way. It's nice to see Dalton's story cleared up. When watching Zulu as a kid I always wondered what Dalton had done to deserve a VC as it certainly doesn't come out in the film. I've subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching more. Incidentally, my grandparents are buried very close to one of the Rorke's Drift VC recipients in Manchester. Best wishes, Paul
@@mrpamcn Cheers, Paul - maybe we can do a future episode of the podcast together on the Red River campaign? Drop me a line if you are keen - redcoathistory at gmail dot com.
Could anyone tell me what happened to the wounded Zulus after the battle of Rorke's drift? Were they treated humanely as POWs or were they killed? The answer to this question really tells us whether the defenders were heroes or war criminals.
Great content, but your blind background has got to go. It distracts from the quality of your content, cheapens it. Perhaps a flag, map or picture would make better background. Just my option of course…trying to help.
Every junior officer in the British army learnt 2 things
How to pass the port
And to listen to your Sergeant Major, your Sergeant, and anyone who knew more than you. (Everyone basically)
Though elderly for their ranks Chard and Bromhead were junior enough to know when to listen.
Dalton had brains and experience, the officers had brain enough to listen. I've always thought their greatest merit is in that willingness to listen.
Totally agree easy to do and easy not to do
And war is evil. Saying NO to the maniacs who start it is simple, whatever 'side' someone is on.
As a retired Sapper we were taught Corps history, I remember sitting on the block steps of 66 Sqn Junior Leaders Regiment listening to the battle of Rorke' Drift. I had seen the film and knew that Lt Chard RE VC was incharge, however my Sergeant's informed us that the real hero's of the battle were commissariat Dalton VC and Colour Sergeant Bourne DCM.
There was 3 battles in the opening 48 hours of the Anglo-Zulu War 1879 - Isandlawana,Rorkes Drift and Nyezane River. The latter is overshadowed by the former more famous battles. However Zulu KIA from the Battle of Nyezane River is estimated at 400-600. Modern historians put the combined death toll for Zulu KIA from these 3 battles at 2,500-3,000 warriors.
As a retired military officer and the son of a retired CIA and Air America member, I learned many years ago that opinions of not worth much. "BELIEVE NOTHING. QUESTION EVERYTHING. LOOK FOR ANSWERS. WHEN YOU THINK YOU HAVE FOUND THE ANSWER QUESTION THAT."
Dalton, as acknowledged in the official Regimental records of the 24th (of which I possess a copy), and as acknowledged by Chard in his letter to Queen Victoria. Dalton received a special salute as a recently retired civilian in the crowd when the 24th embarked at the end of their tour from SA
It's a travesty Dalton's character in the film 'Zulu' was portrayed as such a camp pussy! The more I watch and read, the more this man's name crops up. Undoubtedly a leader and warrior, and someone the younger 24th soldiers would have looked up to during the heat of battle.
Well said
Another excellent film.
Dalton was without doubt a true inspiration.
Thanks mate - yeah he was your classic quiet professional - the backbone of any effective army.
We watched the movie the night before our final battle test in basic training in Australian army in 1983.
Saved by 139 men well officered by an engineer and an infantry officer.. their defensive set up was brilliant.
Fantastic information about someone who I have always regarded as a minor player in the RD battle- thanks for the correction! 👍🏻
I wish someone would make an accurate movie of the action at Rorke’s Drift. Those brave men deserve that at least.
Yes, that would be nice.
While the original film Zulu is deservedly a classic, Zulu War and military historians are aware of its many inaccuracies. For a start the troops defending the Drift are called The South Wales Borderers, when in fact its correct name was the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot. And despite the impression given by the movie, most of the men fighting for the British were were recruited from the industrial towns and agricultural classes of England, principally from Birmingham and adjacent southwest counties, only 10 soldiers of the 1/24 that fought in the battle were Welsh. Many of the soldiers of the junior battalion, the 2/24, were Welshmen. Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, one was a Scot, and three were born overseas. The nationalities of the remaining 21 are unknown. The over emphasis on 'Welshness' was due to the producer and actor (he plays Chard) who was a staunch Welsh nationalist. And of course nobody, as far as history records, sang Men of Harlech. Time for an accurate remake I think.
It would be interesting to know which actors would be chosen to play the various roles, if the producers wanted more historical accuracy. Also, there were just not enough of those wonderful Victorian moustaches in the two films!
Unfortunately, it would never happen in the leftists world we live today. Would be good though if someone did.
@@alonsocushing2263 Men of Harlech is down as their regimental march
Well done. Thank you for highlighting the man that had the sense to make the right call.
Thanks a lot for the comment. Appreciate it. Yes he was a great guy and tremendous soldier.
So happy to see this. Have always loved learning about this war and this battle after I saw the movie Zulu as a kid, wrote a battle analysis on this when I was a young infantry officer and found out he was so instrumental in the defense.
Cheers, Michael!
i think evry solger at roke's drift was a hero the fact that thay all stand strong in a ficht between a mutch larger zulu force is incredible i salute evry brave man who fought thare .
Another excellent bit of history. As a former soldier of B, Rorke's Drift Coy, 1RRW and history buff of the Zulu campaign, I think the Victoria Crosses given out were more political than worthy. Brave soldiers no doubt, who faced overwhelming odds at the hands of drugged up (fact) disciplined Zulu warriors. Also the catastrophic battle of Isandlwana just before helped lighten the disaster with the hand out of the V.C's. Dalton, from what I have researched was kept down after the battle and thoroughly deserved his V.C. Even though late. Thanks for posting. Cant wait for the next one.
Wow hadn’t realised that was your old company! That’s brilliant - is the history of the battle taught a lot to those serving Rorkes Drift coy?
@@redcoathistory Our Company were made to watch the film when they joined the battalion on the anniversary of the battle, and from what I was told, the best soldiers were picked to go to B, Rorke's Drift Company. I joined the battalion in Warminster, then served in Hong Kong, Malaysia and Northern Ireland. I took it upon myself to research the history. My Great Grandfather served in the 10th battalion, Welsh Regiment and was killed in action at Mametz Wood on the 12th July 1916. I have the letter that was sent home to his wife stating that he was KIA. I have it in a frame.
@@welshwarrior5263 I’m glad to hear that Rorkes Drift is still so well commemorated and remembered by the descendants of the old 24th. It sounds like you have a connection to every famous battle fought by Welsh regiments - Mametz wood must have been horrific. Thanks for the info mate and keep in touch.
@@redcoathistory I definitely will. Thanks for your hard work and insights into a history I love. I will look forward to more. Cheers mate.
Hi Chris
As one mil history geek to another- your videos are excellent, thankyou so much, quality stuff, and I can only imagine the hours you put in to produce a 10 minute video.
I'm literally just back at my B&B in Glencoe after visiting Rorkes Drift and Isandlwana. You are absolutely right about Dalton's choices- the slight rise to the north of the hospital was well chosen: particularly with a 1.2 m high mealie bag wall. I walked down to the bottom of the rise and looked up -it is definitely micro tactical key terrain... BTW nothing wrong with being a loggie like Dalton... (that's what I currently do in the military 😀)
Hi mate, fantastic - I'm glad you've had a good trip. Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift are such must sees. All the best and keep in touch mate.
@@redcoathistory Cheers Chris- not p....ssing in your poche here, but you are seriously good at this- of course we don't see the misstarts and retakes ( nor should we) but what comes out is a seamlessly professional product (IMHO)
Coming here and thinking about these engagements, you quickly sooooo get how the South African wars strongly shaped British military tactical thinking in the 1914 BEF. Consider- the emphasis on marksmanship, the adoption of the excellent 10 round magazine SMLE MK III, the doctrine of cavalry to fight dismounted (=using the very same SMLE-when other cavalry forces like the French were still wearing breastplates and swords) and the universal issue of entrenching tools.....spilt blood unfortunately seems to be the only way armies learn I'm afraid! Go well mate! (BTW, me =Australian Army, you picked it, I think)
@redcoathistory hi Chris would you like to know where there is a car moving in the fil. Zulu ?
I read a book about this about 30 years ago, I wasn't really surprised of his achievement when I found out he was an experienced former Veteran.
Thank you, another great episode. I love history and it’s so refreshing to hear someone so passionate bringing these great campaigns to life. I will watch your podcast. Have a great day 👍
Thanks Jan - same to you. Have a great day.
This series is one word.
Brilliant.
Thanks, David.
Brilliant coverage . I also feel that the section commanders during the battle would've had their hands fuller than usual too.
I am ex RAF, ex DIA. I have been involved in many actions in many locations, many ground engagements and naval and air actions. British forces have fought in many places against many foes that have gone unrecorded and mostly remain secret now and probably forever. But the results of our involvement have often been the stuff of legend. Afghamistan in the 1980's, Angola, Vietnam, Northern Russia, Columbia to name a few. Our numbers seldom great, our results never spoken of. The British Soldier is the best in the world and we continue to be. Our Vetrans are forgotten, with seldom any respect. With over 4 million ex military in the UK today we deserve better representation. The politicians have never deserved our loyalty and effectiveness.
Sounds like you RAF guys were busy everywhere - I hadn't realised airmen were so busy in so many places. I also wasn't aware there were 4 million ex-military in the UK. Thanks for sharing.
Chard, who was in temporary command of Rorke's Drift, wasn't even present when the decision was taken to build defences. He was at his post on the river when Adendorff arrived and told him what happened at Isandhlwana and that the Zulu impi was on the way. At the same time he received a note from Bromhead and when he arrived at the house he agreed with the decision to build defences and added his own knowledge of field fortifications.
The anniversary date of the battle this month- you must have a Rourke's Drift drink ! Some Boer War episodes would be jolly as well. Thanks for the episodes !
Cheers David.
Great episode I am amazed his story is not better known and his memory better honoured.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Bravo sir! Great work. Rorkes Drift has fascinated me all my life. True heroism on both sides.
I'd like to see you do the Glorious Glosters at the imjin river in the Korean war.
Hi Andy - great stuff. One day maybe I'll get as far as covering the Korean war, but I suspect that is still a few years away. First I want to focus on the Anglo Boer War and the Indian Mutiny for a bit (once my Peninsular war season is complete). Keep in touch though mate.
I've read that Bromhead consulted Dalton by virtue of his experience and knowledge and it is said that he replied "nothing remains but to fight" since attempting to flee would mean being overtaken and slaughtered by the impi. Ian Knight used this quote as the title of one of his books. The film "Zulu" although a ripping yarn is not entirely accurate with character embellishments inserted by the American film makers. I would recommend the Donald Morris book "The Washing of the Spears", a history of the Zulu nation and their eventual subjugation. Great descriptions of numerous battles of all Zulu wars and also the political machinations of Sir Bartle Frere who brought about the war. Not a boring page in the book, I've read it at least 20 times
These are great videos about the real men of the battle, I love the film but I'd love to see a remake of it with historical accuracy.
Interesting episode. The mutiny in India 1857 is also worth learning about!!
Yes, I'm hoping to cover that conflict in the future.
Hi, if possible would you please do a video about the later 2nd Zulu uprising of 1888? My Fathers Grandfather was posted there that year and I’m very curious about this for personal reasons. It would be interesting to know about this because mainly it is the earlier Campaigns of 1879 that get most attention. Thank you
Thanks, Redcoat History.
I read somewhere that while he was a sergeant he was sent on a field fortification course by the army. That might have been quite useful if true.
Also, I know he didn't get a VC but I'd love to see an episode about colour sergeant Frank Bourne.
Nice one thanks mate - yes I’ll definitely do something on Bourne as he is also the man I find most interesting in many ways. . . Not least because he ended up as a Lt colonel
The book "Rorke's Drift" by Michael Glover mentions Dalton's field fortification course.
It also states that Dalton laid out the improvised fortifications around the buildings at the Drift while Chard was overseeing work to secure the ferry ponts in mid-stream, prior to the arrival of the Zulus.
On his return to the buildings, Chard had the good sense to endorse Dalton's arrangements for the fortifications and they both then worked to ensure their completion prior to the battle.
Good stuff. Cheers from Texas. Liked and subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Excellent 5 minute Friday podcast Chris. Nice to meet you at the Clash of Empires last week.
Thanks Stephen. Good to meet you too. Glad you are enjoying the episodes.
The most reality based movie of this is called - carry on up the Khyber.
So glad I found your channel cheers !
Fascinating, great stuff as usual!
Thanks Ken.
Some Credit needs to be shared by the Officers for having the wisdom to listen to reason
And that was hard for me to say I dislike most officers 😂
Genuine interest in your subject clearly shows. Keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot.
Loving this channel hope you do some videos about the battles leading up to Culloden.
Hi there - it may be something for the future but I’ll be honest I would have to start my research from scratch as I know next to nothing about those battles...
Another great Friday video
Cheers, Hugh.
I leant something today. Thank you
He got a VC. So he cant be an unsung hero. Unsung means you don’t get credit.. he got the credit he deserved. Sounds like an old hard ass sergeant, did his job no doubt.
Another great episode Chris, keep on truckin, love this stuff
Cheers Harold.
Dalton saved the day his knowledge won the day
James Langley Dalton VC. A fine British NCO.
Yes indeed. our man James Langley Dalton VC. He is a hard man to pin down. After many years of research I have been unable to find concrete evidence to support what is known or assumed about James. .
I shan't go into all the possibilities of his birth etc - suffice to say I have found absolutely no concrete evidence supporting the commonly held belief that he was born in London. Until I can pinpoint his parents (of which there are a few possibilities) I can only say he was born between 1831 and 1834, place unknown.
However that said, below I have quoted his death notice verbatim:
DEATH NOTICE - (filed 15th January 1889)
1) Name of deceased: James Langley Dalton
2) Birth Place of deceased: Ireland
3) Names of Parents: Unknown
4) Age of deceased: About 50
5) Condition in life: Asst Commissioned Officer, Lieut in rank, formally enlisted the 85th Regt.
6) Married or Unmarried, widower or widow: Unknown
7) The day of the decease: 7th January 1887
8) At what house or where person died: The Grosvenor Hotel, Kept by Mr Williams, of Heart Disease, Suddenly
9) Names of Children whether Minors or Majors: THIS AREA IS LEFT BLANK.
10) Whether deceased has left any property and of what kind: Clothing. ((One word that I'm unable to discern what it says)) £80 in the Standard Bank, and cash £6.13.0 and some shares at Barleston? or could be Barbeston? again not 100% certain of what it says.
NB: The Grosvenor Hotel, was located in Port Elizabeth, Natal, South Africa.
I'd love some war of 1812 content. Long live General Brock!
Enjoyed the video. Do any of y'all know if officer's commissions were still purchased at this time, or had the system of promotion already been modified?
it was abolished on 1 November 1871, as part of the Cardwell Reforms, so some eight years before the battle of Rorke's Drift.
As an Engineer, Chard was awarded his lieutenant's rank in 1868 on passing out at the military acadamy at Woolwich.
Bromhead, as an infantry officer, most likely had to purchase his 1867 Ensign's commission, but I doubt he would have paid for his lieutenant's commission in 1871
Though purchasing of comissions was, after the charge of light brigade, investigated by the Commission on Purchase, from 1855, and this reported unfavourably on the practice. With lots of money 'invested' in purchased regimental commissions then I don't know if the practice was tapered off or action was stalled until the wider army reforms.
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The Royal Logistic Corps named their Benson Barracks after Dalton.
Very very good
Quality again ! Simple as that.
Cheers, Josh.
Hey really like your podcast and channel! Love to visit SA sometime...I had some good friends from there during my time in Afghanistan...security contractors...
Thanks a lot - I have just subscribed to your channel. Hopefully you will make it over here. Keep in touch!
Thanks so much for the compliment and subscription! I have alot of respect for the British military. I was in Basra Iraq in 2008 when we did the turnover. Made some good friends from the Royal Marines..and the 5th Rifles...good fellows...funny how fast time goes by! Great videos and production to! I'm fairly new to all this but definitely have the love of military history as well...
I wonder if Dalton's VC citation was deliberately left as 'For his conspicuous gallentry...' as some form of dissent from the army command over the imposition of this award over their initial choices.
Was he initially overlooked or was he perhaps slated for a DCM?
The depiction of Pte Henry Hook VC was scandalous. He was an exemplary soldier and no malingerer as in the film. He came from Churchdown in Gloucestershire.
@Coll Maxwell You are right. Hook's family did make a formal complaint so that is probably why we know about it. He died in 1905 the film came out in 1964. Not enough time to bullshit about people. C/Sgt Bourne died in May 1945 by then a Lt, Col.
Hooks elderly daughters walked out of the film premiere upset at his portrayal
During my service I have seen many good men overlooked or ignored and sycophants promoted decorated and lauded, what we call other buggers efforts . A lot of the time it’s just an accident you get recognised, I saw many a gong won that was never awarded. I did 27 years with the colours + 4 wars+ 14 mates KIA, none of whom were awarded a gong.
I think I would rather be at home in Shropshire than South Africa 🇿🇦
He was a hero 👏
They weren’t seen as regular soldiers and I believe my name sake was instrumental in organising the last redoubt and was over looked as many Irish were.
Any relation?
@@redcoathistory not that I know of
Why was Dalton put on half pay after he was promoted? Seems very odd.
@robertstallard7836 Very interesting, thank you.
I suggest Alexander Cameron for later Friday's quickie.
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My keyboard has glitches....there should be a 2 in front of the 4 to sat 24th foot.
The value of a good Loggie. BZ.
Yes...correct
Back in my day Dalton was claimed by the Rickshaws Camels and Taxis AND the Rag And Oil Company as theirs, I suppose that as they are now both wed into the Royal Army Logistics Corps, that argument has been settled. Army snobbery had to have a redcoat officer the hero, but I too believe Dalton was the real hero.
It would seem that a new movie, more historically correct would be in order.
Another great episode, how well were the men of Rorkes Drift represented in the film? Particularly those who were awarded the VC.
Thanks a lot. In answer to your question - generally not good - especially Hook who in real life was an examplary solider.
@@redcoathistory Thank you, is there a map or chart that plots the white cairns at islandwana, I've tried to find one but would you have come across one in your work?
@@andrewrigby2763 Hi Andrew - I haven't specifically looked for one. Have you tried google earth?
@@redcoathistory I've found with Google earth its just not detailed enough. I've managed to locate an area that looks like it could be Durnfords men and the last stand before the break for the buffolo river is clear enough. But other than that I've not been able to locate any more.
@@andrewrigby2763 Have you seen my videos walking the ground at Isandlwana? You can see many of them in that. If memory serves there are a number around rocky ridge then they lead back to the camp, many are around the base of the mountain close to the carpark and then a number stretch back along fugitives trail towards the Manzinyama.
Pop that chap somebody!
Good fellow, good fellow.
Hi Chris. I'm interested in your comment about Dalton and the Red River Expedition. I've heard before mention of Dalton being involved, but I've written a book on the subject and he certainly did not crop up in any of the documents pertaining to the expedition that I trolled through. Is there a citation for this somewhere that you can direct me to? It would actually be great if one of the Rorke's Drift veterans had been associated with the RR Expedition earlier in his career. Thank you.
Hi Paul, it's quoted a lot in the literature I have - I will try and find you a specific reference. I haven't been through his personnel records at the PRO tho so I can't direct you to a specific document in the archive.
PS - while not an "official" reference, a quick google search to check I'm not going mad (debatable of course) shows a number of references to his service in Canada including here www.rorkesdriftvc.com/vc/dalton.htm - when I get time to go through my books ill let you know
Thanks for your response Chris. I saw those as well. I can't say I sought out his records either while doing the research for my book, though this was for the simple reason that his name never cropped up in any of the expedition's records, and I trolled through a great deal of information. Certainly not every name of every man who participated is mentioned, but most of the officers were. After my book was published Dalton's name did crop up. I'm trying to remember who the discussion was with, but it might have been my editor at Helion. My memory is that we found something to indicate that he'd been in Canada earlier in the decade but was gone by the time of the Red River Expedition. I'm searching through my files to see if I can confirm that conversation. In any case, if you have an interest in more Red River Expeditionary force information, the last British Army military campaign in North America and Garnet Wolseley's first independent command, the book is called Journey Through the Wilderness and was published by Helion and Co.
Good video by the way. It's nice to see Dalton's story cleared up. When watching Zulu as a kid I always wondered what Dalton had done to deserve a VC as it certainly doesn't come out in the film. I've subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching more. Incidentally, my grandparents are buried very close to one of the Rorke's Drift VC recipients in Manchester.
Best wishes, Paul
@@mrpamcn Cheers, Paul - maybe we can do a future episode of the podcast together on the Red River campaign? Drop me a line if you are keen - redcoathistory at gmail dot com.
@@redcoathistory I sent you an email, Chris. It sounds like an interesting idea.
Could anyone tell me what happened to the wounded Zulus after the battle of Rorke's drift? Were they treated humanely as POWs or were they killed? The answer to this question really tells us whether the defenders were heroes or war criminals.
What a question? You won't find answers at all.
Should we apply the same value judgements to how the Zulus treated the wounded at Isandlwana? and those they captured in the hospital at the Drift?
Easy answer yes.
Agreed…
Yes he was.
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At last the truth revealed
Commisary Dalton?????
Battle of Prestonpans
Am I missing something Bill?
back when men were real men :)
Alamo and the other battles to do with santa Annas attack on texas.
1 thumbs down by 1 Zulu😂
I wasn't impressed by the representation of the soldiers that fought at Rorkes Drift..and I agree these films should be more realistic and accurate..
Great content, but your blind background has got to go. It distracts from the quality of your content, cheapens it. Perhaps a flag, map or picture would make better background. Just my option of course…trying to help.
Thanks, Jeff...this is an old video and I'm hopeful that you'll enjoy other more recent videos more 👍🏻
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Dalton with so many - ‘… men of men…’.
Lest we forget.
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