What Putin's defeat could mean for the West | Ivo Daalder
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- "The spending is going up because Europeans understand there is a real threat...that's Mr Putin, the one thing you can thank him for."
Russia's defeats in the war in Ukraine will guarantee security for Europe and the West if they can end Putin's invasion, Ivo Daalder, Former United States Permanent Representative to NATO, tells Kate Gerbeau on Frontline.
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*Vladimir Putin meets with his top General.*
Putin: Did you Take Kyiv?
General: No
Putin: Did you take the Kharkiv, Kherson?
General: No.
Putin: Well, what did you take?!
General: _Three washing machines, a toilet, and 2 fur coats!_
Do they know how to use that toilet in Russia? They may need lessons
Da 💯% 😂
@@boink800 No need for lessons if the majority of the country doesn't have them and never will lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣Per Russian State Statistics Service Rosstat, 22.6% of Russians do not have indoor plumbing. what the RuZZki soldiers with do with washing machines and toilets?
@@DeepFinger-UA Slava
Excerpt from the blog of Li Jianwei, a Chinese mercenary in the Russian army on May 25, 2024
The casualty rate is tremendous. Once deployed to the front lines, almost everyone dies within 10 hours. Everyone in my squad was wiped out except me. Russian reinforcements soon arrived, but they too were soon wiped out. None of us had any combat experience.
The battlefield was not at all what I had imagined. The Ukrainians used armor-piercing rounds to destroy every target where they thought the Russians were hiding, not to mention the walls where we were hiding. The enemy was utterly relentless and had a determined offensive spirit. Anyway, there were too many Ukrainian drones. After a few reconnaissance planes arrived, the ruthless attacks began. All we could do was to lie down and pray for a quick end. We Russians launched three attacks, all of which failed with heavy losses. Even when tanks came to support us, they were immediately detected by the drones and instantly destroyed. Polish mortars are particularly troublesome. They hardly make a sound until they hit the ground. There are Cubans, Indians, Nepalese, Syrians, and blacks here, but they all flee immediately. No one helps each other. I was blown up by a bomb, but my protective gear saved me. Now I am recuperating. I tell you people, the Russian army cannot win this war."
Wow, damning. Thanks for the quotes.
Maybe it's just me...but I think Rushins' are losing this war.
@@dpelpalyeah… that’s just you.
The “Rushins” are winning, clearly winning.
That cocoon of lies you seem to live in isn’t gonna hold up forever.
Does he also mention the 5:1 to 10:1 artillery/ammunition ratio advantage the Russians havein this conflict, meaning Ukrainian casualties will likewise reflect this disparity which also means Ukraine have suffered anywhere between 1.7 million to 3.5 million casualties?
Do _you_ also realise, in that video, toward the last part, Li Jianwei said *“这仗没法打”,* which does not equal to “unwinnable.”
It is more like an exclamation that it is too harsh and difficult.
Anyway, _next!_
@@dpelpal I know but does losing mean gaining ground more ground?
Putin said that his troops were training on the borders in 2022 and had no intention of attacking Ukraine
Genscher (Germany foreign minister) with behind him standing Walker (US foreign minister) stated during the German re-unification negotiation into public TV: "There is not intent to move NATO eastward".
Who do you think were the larger liars?
How can you assume "Putin said that his troops were training on the borders in 2022" is the truth, when the US was faced with Putin's request for negotiation especially the point Ukraine not to become a NATO member?
And you remember the US reaction on Putin's request? (I remember US said there is NOTHING to negotiate)
And you remember the news information, the US informed its allies a few days before the invasion that Russia will invade? Do you also remember what kind of diplomatic action the US took after it got confirmation that Russia will invade to avoid this war (I remember they did NOTHING)?
The world is not easy to understand, but when you have the ability to ask yourself the correct questions (and not only listen to news to get the truth/correct understanding) you may come to some different understanding than just repeating in above sentence what western media does suggest you to think.
@@friedhelmschroter8124
NATO didn't move one millimeter.
Countries in Eastern Europe asked to join NATO to have some allies in the event they were invaded by Imperialist Russia, a very wise decision given the number of times over the past few decades that Russia has launched unprovoked imperialist invasions against nearby countries to steal territory from them.
If Russia doesn't want countries to join NATO then it should stop launching unprovoked imperialist invasions into nearby countries and become a modern peaceful democratic country that wants to live in peace with its neighbours the same way that other European countries do.
I'm other words it's time that Russia moved out of the 17th century of European imperialism and moved into the 21st century inhabited by other countries.
And obviously when Russia demands that countries such as Ukraine not join NATO it's because Russia doesn't want them to have any allies or support if Russia decides to invade them.
It would be foolish for a country in Eastern Europe to agree to Russia's demand that it stays unsupported and vulnerable to a Russian invasion.
Russia asking countries to not join NATO is like a burglar demanding that a home owner leave their doors and windows unlocked at all times so that it will be easier to rob their house.
And as well Russia's invasion has nothing to do with NATO.
Ukraine was not in NATO nor was it anywhere close to joining NATO.
Every time Russia lsunched an unprovoked imperialist invasion it was against a country that was not in NATO and was nowhere near joining NATO.
It's just plain old Russian imperialism as has existed at least since the 1400s.
If NATO is such a threat to Russian sovereignty and security, why doesn't the lengthy border with Finland, the Baltics, and Poland look like the Korean DMZ? Because NATO is NOT a threat to Russia and Putin doesn't just know that, he DEPENDS on it.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 I am quite sure that if Russia had acted all nice and friendly to all its neighbors NATO today would be a lot smaller. It was Russian agression that enlarged NATO I think except China all neighbors of Russia would join NATO if they had a chance even Belarusia if their president would be helped to stay in power.
Okay, so what is your point? Are you suggesting that any Russian can be believed? They lie only when their lips are moving, we all know that.
Leave the Russian trolls/bots be. This is how they get paid. Don't engage. The ultimate humiliation is to be ignored.
@TomThomas01 a lot of us actually have common sense and know that Ukraine won't win.
@@unreal4010do you get paid for that comment?
@@WeejimmySnazberry The objective of legent Putin is Ukraine never in Nato,which by the way is exactly what Biden said yestreday as US policy.....
I made an extra comment for free,to poke NPCs lol
we don't care about the russian trolls, but it is important to reply not for the russian troll but too show how ridiculous and false their comments are. Its to show them up as spoofs so they never have the last say
Russian trolls/bots get paid? How does that work? Considering how much effort I Put into trashing these mostly propoganda videos , I think I deserve to get paid as well! Maybe I can give you my teaching job and do this for a living. Thanks for the idea. I am goinf to find out about this!!!
7:38 Well, when has Putler ever spoken the truth? The treaties he did sign aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
Speak of paper! I am Rushin' woman. Live Samara. Recently I acquired toilet from U-krain. Now I am make learning to use "toilet". Perhaps you will allow me question. What is special paper used for, the soft paper, the paper located near toilet in America movies?! mama says it is crazy American invention, maybe C I A 🥵
This is in fact a serious problem, not just for anyone signing any peace deals with Russia but even for any future trade or expectations of Russia accepting international law. We just can't believe anything Putin or any government that comes after him, would say. Could you imagine being a large multinational and trying to convince shareholders that dealing with Russia is a great idea? Forget about Special Military Operation, they really done a generational-level-of-trust-gone operation, and thats going to collapse Russia ultimately, win lose or draw in Ukraine.
he is a KGB officer. He never, on any occasion, will tell the truth on anything.
As with the annexation declarations of Sovereign Ukrainian land.
When have McDonald’s eaters ever spoken the truth?
How can Ukraine determine it's own future if it ceades territory? Zelensky has already said in his mind victory is restoring the 1991 borders. Why do the US continue to be ambiguous about what success is? This is a consistent failure in US foreign policy from Vietnam to the Global War on Terror
what you are basically saying is that General Lee's tea-boy should have gone to take Washington after he admitted defeat.
They thought Russia is Iraq, Libya, Ex Yugoslavia. 😂
You are so right. I'm a 73 year old American, totally MAGA. MAGA doesn't mean isolation, and isn't defined by Trump he is just the best choice at this political juncture. If fragile America goes good luck with the EU; that system has no bill of rights and will lead to concentration of power in central government. No bueno.
Native americans have a better chance of getting their land back than ukrainians.
Because most people are spineless and get lazy on principles
NATO needs to have Kaja Kallas as its next secretary general. She is no nonsense and understands totally the threat that poopin poses to Europe. Mr. Rutte has appeasement aspects to his approach which is exactly what is NOT needed for NATO or Europe now.
Hogwash. Rutte has no intention to appease Putin, far from it. Internally NATO does need diplomacy, strengthened ties and furthered coalitions.
Poland's FM Radek Sikorski would be great as well but another Dutch will be chosen. I do not get it...
Rutte is competent, he is a very good consensus builder. But I prefer Kallas as well
@@boink800 We need no bs attitute leader, not a consesus builder. Guys from Baltic States or Poland know Russia better than some Dutch guy ever will,
@@boink800Rutte is a liar and a self-centered, egotistical aristocrat. We don't need someone like that as our NATO general secretary.
Very Excellent Reporting / Discussion, as Always , Thank You !!!
That previous ambassador is an EXCELLENT guest. Great discussion. Thank you.
RS. . Canada
Personally, I thought he was a complete waste of my time. I'm moving on about a third of the way through the interview.
Always good to get a laugh from the times radio ..
That sculpture is going to give me nightmares, and I did a lot of acid in my 20s.
S others said about 7:45 "Why would he say that?"
Well, he's lying, that's what Russians do. You may remember they said all those troops were on the border for a military exercise. Attacking Ukraine? What a nonsense! Then 2 days later they did attack Ukraine. Examples of Russian statements proved to be completely false later would overflow the comments section....
So, who said and signed the Minsk accord but had no intentions to follow it through? Instead, it had used it to pump arms into Ukraine and train Ukrainian soldiers. Especially the notorious Azov and Pravy Sector nationalists.
The West was preparing to whipe off LDNR, then roll on straight to RF its main objective. In politics, especially geopolitics, it is not customary to tell the truth. Is there?
Didn't Russia UK and USA commit to defending the sovereignty of Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum? The least we can do is help Ukraine with whatever it takes to defend themselves against one of the signatories? Nobody can take the word of Putin on anything , as he has proved.
Russia committed to respecting Ukraine's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
"Clause 1: Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act)."
Unfortunately, the UK and USA didn't really provide security guarantees:
"Clause 4: Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used"."
Ukraine and the USA started this conflict, what part of that don't you get?? Putin has shown amazing RESTRAINT under extreme provocation from the warmongering horror race in WAshington. Who TF believes anything that comes out of the US? Lying, immature nation that doesn't understand basic human rights.
Yes they did with each committing to respecting the neutrality of the newly formed country and non-interference in its political affairs. Within one year of the agreement being signed , NATO had engaged the county's leadership in North Atlantic Cooperation Council even though contemporary polling showed that the citizenry were firmly against the idea. This was followed in 1994 by leadership joining NATO's ironically named "Partnership for Peace" Budapest Memorandum was trashed by West at this point. Polling in Ukraine was significantly against NATO up until the 2014 coup ( 60-70% against)
Can 1/2 a bee, philosophically, be said to be, not quite, an entire bee?, (ipso-facto, half not bee?), great yarn, grandaughters artwork a nice touch?...& which agency is this one?..omnibot skynet gudinski?.
Who's going to defend Ukraine against the USA? They've just said we can't let russia get it hands on Ukraines minerals.... obviously USA pulling another Iraq to secure wealth and power.
Russia has 300k troops ready to roll should Putin choose. He won't because he is bleeding the west of money and knows not only will he get most of Ukraine but Europe will be desperate to get russian energy back up and running as they are collapsing economically.
Really telling about the core values of alliance with Estonia’s contribution to the Afghanistan war. It puts us to shame. Respect to them and thank-you for highlighting this example.
When we were kids we would collect Football cards from cigarette packages. That's illegal now. Nowadays we can collect zzzbot tears. It's even more fun. zzzbots line up here and cry.
Zelensky was a comedian...and he's turned Rushins' into the biggest joke on the planet😅
comedian then , now a modern day Churchill.
Putins defeatWhat would it mean? Peace happyness and a willingness to live in peace. Slava Ukraine.
So Russia is taking ground around Karkiev and looking for a huge success this summer. Then this strange article comes out.
If America is a signatory to the disarming nuclear treaty signed by Russia and ukrain guaranteeing ukrainian sovrentee . Then America is within its right to then give ukrainian nuclear weapons to protect its self .
Except of course that the nonproliferation treaty rightfully blocks that idiotic move
The most important goal of nuclear weapons is deterrence, NOT PROTECTION.
Continue to dream about unrealistic points (America is in the difficult position to avoid Russia to use atomic, but in my understanding they have set the wrong targets/acted in a way that this war has started, but if America continues its current way I see no way to avoid the use of atomic weapons).
Until all of these experts understand that Ukraine must defeat Russia and win this war, rather than just defend itself, nothing will change. Time to change the language and attitude.
That's the problem for the Diplomats, their statement always in contrary with the Military leaders.
Please explain me, how you can defeat an atomic power horse like US or Russia?
If you target to defeat Russia in the way that current ongoing destruction of Russia by continuous NATO expansion can continue, than I personally would expect Russia to go to the most extreme actions.
Why do you think Russia will not resort to the most extreme actions or do you mean by defeat just a symbolic defeat?
@@friedhelmschroter8124
I think that there are very few people who want Ukraine to invade and conquer Russia or think that Ukraine could succeed in that.
I think that any people who talk about a Russian defeat simply mean a situation in which Ukrainisn forces are able to drive all Russian invaders out of all of Ukraine similar to how Vietnamese forces drove Chinese invasion forces out of Vietnam in 1979-80.
China continued to exist and did not fall apart or collapse after that defeat.
Though it is always possible that Russia could fall apart the same way that the Soviet Union fell apart after military disaster in Afghanistan but Ukraine should not be sacrificed just to keep Russia from imploding.
@@friedhelmschroter8124 Please explain to me how North Vietnam defeated the US, and how Afghanistan defeated Russia?
@@silverknight4886 Neither has North Vietnam nor has Afghanistan defeated the US.
In both cases the US has in my understanding withdrawn which is something completely different than getting defeated. Exaggerating you can call these withdrawals a defeat, but for me a defeat does look different/has different consequences (both withdrawals had zero negative impact on US, but rather positive regarding Vietnam US got peace of mind and regarding Afghanistan US saves now quite some money).
The same I said on US-Afghanistan is also valid for USSR-Afghanistan (I do not understand why you say "how Afghanistan defeated Russia, are you really not aware that the USSR and not only its Russian part decided to support the the communist leader of Afghanistan based on his request").
Everytime i want a good fairytale i come to times radio for straight fiction
Does the botski like repeating the same thing all the time? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
It could mean a real end to the cold war in Europe.
No
@@michaeldunham3385end for Russia 😅
@@bck481 there are some who actually believe that it won't exist in its present form for much longer.
There was a time the idea of no Soviet Union would have seemed nonsense but here we are.
@@michaeldunham3385 ; What are you gd foolishly responding to?
You know sometimes I jump the gun, BS is BS and Times Radio is full of it!
off topic....Absolutely exquisite glass piece!
Picasso
Air superiority is the Holy Grail of Ukraine. Make the difference.
How are they going to do that?
Western politicians are still talking about a "no fly zone".
Totally delusional.
I think it's coming. Well according to alot of people smarter than me.
And the Black Knight is played by Ukraine
Its too late to recall about that...
They had a lot of Soviet jets and SAMs..
This is certainly one of the more ludicrous interviews that Kate has given.
Kate is a great host, asking brilliant and thoughtful questions. Very high quality guest.
The range of office from Ivo is revealing and interesting to hear his views, his tenure was a weak and lacking office, Obama did not take on Putin and allowed the situation for the invasion of Georgia and then 2014 Ukrainian invasion…. This is the precursor to Syria and then Ukraine again and Africa Wagner actions…..
He is clearly appreciative of the mistakes made by his role at this period of history.
Miscalculation of the FSB, the intention of Putin and the criminality of Putin corruption, deception and growing Imperialism from Autocratic and Authoritarian Dictatorship, the Tsarist regime, was formed under Obama and turning a blind eye to Russia and its ambitions is a mistake.
How many times will this happen?
Allowing a 71 year old KGB agent the opportunity to capture a state and steal everything from it.
Well done Times and Kate and thank you for delivering more public insights.
It would mean VU day in Europe! Get on with it already!
It's happening. Rusha' is starting to lose in a big way.
what do you mean get on with it? do what exactly?
@@Withnail1969 I am Rushin woman, I got toilet in Ukraine!
@@dpelpal ....from Ukraine! .......?
"Get on with it already!" Well said! You collect your kit tomorrow afternoon and fly to the front the day after........Hello?............Hello??
The nato allies don’t pay the US they just need to equip themselves to be able to fight with their allies. They have rode the US gravy train for decades time to get off.
if u know how the Nato coalition functions, you wouldn't use that term gravy train. That ain't reality at all. Those militaries have simply been somewhat too small for the purpose of actual big warfare, and it's time to regroup and reinvent. Not complicated and underway for several years now
Who wanted US troops/equipment to be stationed worldwide? The US or the local countries? (in my understanding in most cases the US)
I see no problem when the US intend to withdraw their military, but when you are doing it in the way you left Afghanistan or Trump announced then I doubt your word ally is correct.
The first casualty of War is always the truth full stop..
Then truth has always been quite difficult to obtain and nearly impossible to substantiate.
Sad that these people decide to keep silent on the origins the war in Ukraine...tells a lot about their bias and probably those that pay them...
@@santopino756 spot on your no fool.. If it's spoon fed it's usually bs.. The truth you've got to search for.
And the more you searched the more lies are exposed.. That's how they get millions of people to slaughter each other
Very true in Putins Russia !
Kate is great..❤❤❤
I don’t want to listen to this bull. He’s saying American has done so much. Really they are on the back foot, and behind courageous nations, who have already spoken up, to help fellow democratic leaders. That speech was ridiculous
big difference between "spoken up" and delivering the goods. the delay of aid to Ukraine in US congress served to expose Europe for what it is....impotent and unwilling
@@icu17siberia "the delay of aid to Ukraine in US congress" made very clear, not the Ukraine, but basically the US is fighting against Russia.
And Europe following US lead shows US has less fear of Russia getting nuclear than Europe (it is well known that Europe's military capabilities are much inferior compared to US - not so much by money power, but rather by split in many countries, this means double/triple/10x/.... effort in development/production).
Great interview - thanks Kate and Ivo.
Yeah defeat them by flapping your mouth war i don't think so 😂😂😂😂
If the US would not permit Cuba to determine its own future, let's not play games. This was a gross miscalculation of Russian will and capability. Make fun of Russia, but the reality is that the Ukrainian military is being ground up with all the NATO assistance.
If you’re in NATO then pay for your military to protect yourself and allies.
Those members that don’t keep their military equipment with a minimum of 2%gdp then you are the security risk.
Stoltenburg
everyone, EVERYone has already been keenly aware of this for several years, and spending is going up, as logical ways to improve mil are smoothed out.
Canadian military spending is a joke. Our military branches are ineffective
@@jodylq3476same here in Denmark. The war ships we have patrolling in Greenkand is seriously outdated and old junk. Same with the rest of the stuff we have.
@@jodylq3476 you Canadians get a pass every time you needed to proved yourselves in history you guys more then punched above your weight.
You guys are the only ones to burn down Washington and come out with a stalemate with the US.
Russia has to do this Russia has to do that. Who are we to tell Russia what to do. Russia is a sovereign country. Russia has the right according to you to do what it wants just as Ukraine can do what it wants, they are both sovereign countries.
Ukraini should must be in Nato. Slava Ukraini❤❤🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Merci chère Kate!
Jeffrey Sachs sees the situation quite differently. Perhaps Kate could interview him ? 🤔( "Green Fire" UK ) 🌈🦉
This channel is one of the most interesting! Keep up your good work! 🥇🥇 👍
It's certainly one of the most amusing. I'm still trying to work out if they are serious in what they say, or just having a laugh !!
This man talks good sense
He's a political hack. He did his best to talk a lot without saying anything of substance. He had to get a dig in on Trump despite him being right about everything. NATO members were not matching their GDP to military spending commitments and him calling them out was the problem and not the Europeans who were too weak willed to honor their commitments for defense? Give me a break. Europe needed to put on their big boy pants and be reminded that they aren't some spoiled child. The reason Russia invaded is because Europe not taking them seriously.
This guy is blaming Trump for his comments about NATO. As someone that supports Ukraine and an American Taxpayer, I agree with Trump. Europe had a free ride way too long. And if Europeans don't trust the US, fine they can take care of their own security.
Trump is indeed a very strange person (for me too extreme, therefore I need to think case by case).
But could you please clarify with Trump, was it the US who wanted to set up military bases in Europe, or was the US asked by European countries to set up their military bases?
I hope you do recognize that these 2 cases are completely different and in the first case I would like to ask you, why you suddenly dare to ask money even so you set up this military for your own advantage.
In the second case I am asking you, why did you not ask the country some money compensation when you set up your military? (first to set up without asking money and then suddenly changing mind and ask money is not the behaviour of an ally/friend).
And I personally see no problem when the US withdraws all its military, because then we have exactly the case that Europe will take care of its own security. You should just define, if you also want to withdraw the atomic deterrence which I understand is basically a zero cost (US needs this deterrence anyhow). And you should also clean up the aftermath of WWII, because as I understand it is today by your power forbidden that Germany does develop and produce its own nuclear deterrrence. .....
You may decide to withdraw your military as done in Afghanistan, but I hope you understand that in such case there is a good chance that Russia/China will take the opportunity to improve their position in your fight against them ...... (I wish you good luck in deeper thinking)
Show hasn’t even started and already the bots are out.
The bots are the Times' journos with ridiculous topics like this.
@s0ycapitan you were looking in the mirror when saying that?
@@Pierre-Leloup I get called a bot, but I don't do it for a living like Times' journos do.
@@s0ycapitan You mean you're doing this by ideology? Can't believe that
@@Pierre-Leloup My ideology is "I don't want to get nuked".
So debunking all the totally delusional hopium might just get our bought and paid for political class to think about what they are doing.
Unfortunately, the more assured the Europeans are that the US will come to their rescue, the less they feel compelled to spend more on their defense. For 75 years straight, they've enjoyed a free ride that's only gotten freer over time as the Europeans spent less and less on defense -- despite the US complaining about it for decades and despite the Europeans offering one pacifying assurance after another that they'll live up to their obligations they just need a little more time. Again and again they just need a little more time and on it goes -- an ever promised spending increase always just a little bit ahead on an ever receding horizon. I've heard certain American commentators pooh-pooh the free riding as a minor problem that friends can solve. However, those commentators under-estimate how robust the free riding dynamics are in the NATO context. Consider Germany, which is the poster child for why Trump very nearly pulled the US out of NATO. If the US pulls out of NATO, it will do so largely because of -- or at least in large part because of -- Germany's spending of much less than 2% of GDP on defense. Yet, the moment that the US pulls out, the threat to Europe posed by Russia and Belarus magnifies exponentially, likely forcing Germany to immediately increase its defense spending far above 2% of GDP. Note how obvious it seems at first glance that, to prevent the US from leaving NATO, Germany should increase defense spending to 2% now. Yet Germany hasn't, and most commentators seem to believe that, despite Scholz's big talk early in the Ukraine war about an increase in defense spending, Germany probably won't increase defense spending by much if at all. Why? Because the free riding dynamics in NATO are robust and for so long Germany has gotten its cake and eaten it too. Germans seem to believe that, at the end of the day, the Americans -- whether because they're dyed-in-the-wool suckers or because they just love playing cowboy hero -- will come to the rescue. The Germans do recognize that it's a gamble, but that gamble has paid off continuously for over a half century and what German politician wants to be the one who calls an end to the party. Accordingly, it is rational for the US to reconsider whether it is good thing when the Europeans know they can "rely" on the US to comply with its Article 5 obligation irrespective of whether they've lived up to their spending obligations.
Russia will prevail but what would happen to NATO after they are defeated in Ukraine is the more serious question
Nothing. NATO will keep attacking countries that can't defend themselves while talking about democracy and values...
Very humorous subtle remark gave me a healthy laugh
AWWW . . . Little Poots doesn't face defeat. Just an alternate reality. He will be right as rain when he can deny ever being in Ukraine in a few years.
If Poland is a member of NATO, then how can putin attack them. Why do people keep saying this. What about article 5? It’s never going to happen. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇬🇧
I’m from the US. I see this situation from several different angles. As far as my country goes, and NATO, we did keep pushing towards the Russian borders when we knew it could cause problems. But, Putin hasn’t been honest about the invasion of Ukraine. He needs to give it up, too many Ukrainians AND Russians have died. As a US citizen, i support Ukraine in their sovereignty. But I don’t see the PEOPLE of Russia as an enemy either. This Cold War mentality held by a handful of old politicians needs to come to an end. Russians need to break free of these old Soviet era politicians. Here in my country, we need to fix government corruption that has reached catastrophic levels. We ALL need to get the war mongers out of power.
Or, we can leave things as they are. And we should spend more time with those we love, and enjoy our last sunsets. Because once the bombs are launched, the planet will be destroyed and billions of innocents will die. And I’m betting the people that started this will be safe in their bunkers, not wanting to face the consequences of what they did. But will be ready to start all over again with the “rule the world” mentality with whoever is left.
UA will not become Nato member as long as Orban can veto it. Nato needs to suspend Hungary
Why does NATO need to expand?
Orban would have to vote for his suspension.
Another great interview.
This Obama guy has realised that rasputin had pulled wool over there face, big time
Yet your average Rushn' still doesn't have a toilet.
_Who' really winning?_ 🤔
@@dpelpal Or a damn washing machine; they have to steal some ! Joke Army of Thieves !
And Putler oh wait his real name is Boris badenov the cartoon character on the bullwinkle and rocky show hahahahahaha 😅
Putin defeat? This sounds fanciful.
Every country is realizing they are not prepared, and they need to invest in their military, which they weren't.......
In 1939 the British Army had about 550,000 soldiers. By the end of 1940, it had 3.5 million men in uniform. The government can get its act together relatively quickly, when it has the will to do so. At the moment, it seems our leaders are all just hoping and praying the problem will just go away and they won't have to invest in defence.
Yes, and slowly the western countries do realize they may run into social unrest because too much money is spent militarily for ????
Or they are speeding their way to financial bancruptcy by piling up debt they are not able to pay back or pay interest on (I just read/understood that the surprisingly good running US economy is partly fueled by receiving higher interest on Treasuries).
@@keighlancoe5933 Britain, along with most of Western Europe has a different demographic now, to that in 1939. How many possible conscripts would now say "I am not British/French/German/Dutch/Danish/Belgian/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese by birth and therefore am not going to fight for you."
@silverknight4886 Quite a large amount I suspect; and then the natives won't fight either, because we won't want to leave our sisters, mothers, daughters, wives and girlfriends at their mercy while we are away.
A good enlightening interview. If I could just elaborate on what he said about Trump. Having been a soldier myself in the British Army I believe Trump said what needed to be said and that was about the "lack off" and reversing of funding that (certain) NATO alliances were doing (and that actually included Germany!)
Please do not forget..that with not only the British Army (with more cuts, amalgamations and basically stripping it to its bare bones) The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force has also had SIGNIFICANT cuts too.
Saying that "..its not about the money" is rather amateurish and misses the point completely insomuch that wars and conflicts are not won on just willpower and witchcraft..is IS about the money being submitted (by ALL that belong to this "club" called NATO Hence Trumps statement as to WHY should the USA foot most of the lions share when other nations are NOT contributing (what they have signed up in the first place to commit to)
Also Trump did also state (if one sees the unedited version.."that why should the USA provide protection (from Russia..my a brackets) then go and basically go cap in hand to said enemy nd go lock stock and all eggs in one basket get oil and gas from them (Russia)
A no trainer..
It has to be noted though that since the Trump statement (which caused the ruffling of reathers mentioned in this interview) many if not all of the accused low investment countries are NOW paying their FAIR SHARE....
Trump’s ANSwer To End The War In Quick time Is to cut all funding For UKRaine. Where Would we Be Then!?
What's with the low volume on this channel? Always! :/
Well even they dont want to listen to nonsense
I think it's because they are a tad embarrassed by the nonsense they put out. I'm really looking forward how they explain away all their broadcasts of Russia's demise after NATO and the European Union have been defeated, and attempts to destabilise Russia end in dramatic failure.
Loud and clear on my tablet.
Wow, very unbiased interview. Amazing!
Ukraine for NATO
Donald Trump may be crass, but he had a point. European countries may be worried that the US might "abandon" them--but from the point of view of the average American (as opposed to globalist elites), Europeans have no right to continue to expect the US to be fully committed to their defense--while they feel free to be arrears in their NATO dues because, well, all of their social safety nets take priority over military spending. Add to this the fact that such countries endlessly lecture America for not spending as much on egalitarian and environmental causes, as well as on being overly militaristic, etc., and any impartial observer can see why Trump's words struck a raw nerve and have found a lot of support here. It's wrong to try to re-litigate history, of course, but it does seem to many that it's past time Europe shoulder more of the burden for matters in their own backyard--especially at a time when America's other set of allies, in the Far East, find themselves hard-pressed by the world's other autocratic hegemon. And it doesn't look like many European countries--Germany in particular--have any interest in pushing back in China. If something erupts in the South China Sea, we're going to be on our own, I suspect. So before you condemn Trump and his views out of hand, please consider the larger global picture. There's a lot more at stake right now than just European security and prestige.
I agree. What's interesting is the europeans have heard the same thing from every US president since Bill Clinton, Trump just said it louder. Earlier this year S. Jaishankar (FM if India) said..."to Europe, its problems are the worlds problems, but the worlds problems are not Europes problem).
Trump has never been right about anything. The world is better off having a strong democratic country stepping up to safeguard global rules and norms. Yes, though every country should provide for their own national security.
Putin's rash gamble has failed now.
He must have millions in gambling debts
First You have to win to say that
@@GenaMatogen It's not the winning,it's the taking part that counts.
@@stephfoxwell4620 it is not a pocker game...
If USA pulled out of Nato, you'd see European imports into Canada skyrocket.
The Germans still haven’t forgotten WW2 and now have cold feet.
Putin was their bed partner.
That's not it-- they had the draft after 1945 and a large standing army. Germany has been on a roll of over 30 years without any conceivable need to prepare for war. Like for everyone else the adjustment is difficult. Germany and Japan both had convinced themselves that if they didn't have an army they wouldn't ever need one.
@chrisstrawn4108 The German draft started in 1955 and it ceased in 2000
@@chrisstrawn4108 it's not nearly that simple. It's not that they convinced themselves they wldn't need substantial army, it's that they realized an appropriate positioning of their countries' visavis world. Those were decisions also favored by the allied victors in WW2 and to some extend requested, even demanded by them. But germany in particular has stalled massively in the past two decades, shrinking its military dramatically, (tho UK has too) during a time of clear cut increasing aggression by RU, since '08. That is what doesn't make sense and is profoundly dangerous. The Nordstream 2 debacle is pathetic of germany and showed that governance was not intelligently strategic apparently.
Ask yourself who has arranged that the Germans got a rather negative feeling to war.
Today's Germans prefer negotiation and peaceful coexistance to war. Sorry to see that some other countries have different objectives.
First Class presentation.
@tonyfranks9551 " First class presentation" of lies and disinformation.
It means us spending less on military:/ No more bear means us being safer and focusing on the civilian economy.
What?
Bear will not hibernate yet !
@@linmal2242
Rabid animal won't get the chance to rise again.
@@linmal2242
It should not be given a chance.
One thing not covered here is the fact that ceding the occupied territories to Putin is a deal breaker. Ukrainians already insist that Putin has to remove its troops and officials from Ukrainian territories. The US has not shown enough commitment to that outcome. Putin simply cannot be rewarded for his aggression.
May Putn fall soon!
Don't hold your breath.
Who May?
Clueless guy thinks the USA should slide on the 2% GDP support of other NATO countries while the USA shoulders the balance. We got your back, but pay your fare share.
Putin has said so many lies that indifferently what he says will be simply incredible.
Yeah. Wolf Wolf! Wolf!!!! WOLF!! WOLF FFS!!!!! Oh yeah.
Just like Joe Biden
@@AnthonyMcRedmond-Vg2ry Not everyone is as honest and innocent as Trump 😉
@@AnthonyMcRedmond-Vg2ryputin is ah muppet
@@AnthonyMcRedmond-Vg2ry Give just one example of a lie told by Biden. Waiting...
I voted for Trump twice and will probably vote for him again, but I agree completely with Daalder that alliances are based upon trust, and that Trump's NATO comments are extremely damaging. I was encouraged to hear Trump say in April that Ukraine's survival is important to the US, as it indicates to me that he is now seeing the importance to ultimately stopping Russia's ambitions in central Asia and Eastern Europe. There are better ways to get allies to pay 2% than to hold security promises over their heads, and most damagingly to do so publicly.
pretty cool to be subscriber 35 on history undone 🎉
Good interview - ignore the mass infection by Putin trolls swarming the comments
ya because ignoring rational sense has worked out so well for you so far hasnt it? lolol
You can ignore reality but can't ignore its consequences.
Wich ever way you look at it Putin has to be STOPPED 🤷♂️
Why?
@@TrevorCrook-c1s really?
And by who's teenage and elderly army grabbed off the streets of Bandera land?
@@TrevorCrook-c1s Cus he is one of the most evil men we have seen in the last 50 years and is causing near global instability !!
@@MrAvant123 how
Getting Europe to put their money where their mouths were and fulfill their agreements makes NATO stronger. But, I understand how they feel when outside forces coerced for more money...
😂😂😂😂 this is a comedy show!
Is there any 'expert' in the USA whose answer to Russia sitting on a huge nuclear arsenal is to pretend this isn't so...?
Klinkt nog altijd Hollands
Учитывая, что Россия уже насчитала 500 000 жертв, следует спокойно понять, что за агрессию нельзя платить. Ни одна цивилизованная страна не нападает на другую страну вот так просто.
Все цивилизованные страны, защищайте себя от агрессии вашей страны.
Либо уберите этих так называемых лидеров, либо Бог покарает Россию!
God never has punished a nation, not EVER. Only ppl have, thru collective efforts known as civic-gvt-military coalitions, etc, for free open democratic societies that are based on rule -of-law and justice and thus the term and legal concept 'human rights'. This ain't complicated, and Ru will be contained, or there will be no world as we know it now. Very basic stuff and concepts.
Is US civilised country??
@miladinperic837 Compared to Russia, yes. If Trump wins ..... Who knows? I fear the worst.
russia end will be very very painful to watch as China will be slowly but surely eating away Siberia and the West will take the rest ...😢
Do you have a crystal ball to predict the future? The only thing that is happening now is the emergence of the multipolar world and Europe is on the losing team.
It seems very silly to me to publicly state what you will not do. That way the Russians know that whatever they do, they at least won't have to worry about fighting actual nato troops. Maybe instead of worrying about what the Russians might do if we cross their red lines, they should be worrying about what WE might do.
Russia has already loss, its disturbing that there is not that much of an emphasis on a peace plan!
There is a peace plan: respect the 1991 borders
how?
@@russellspeed1693 Cringe man doesn't even know how to write a complete sentence. It's *cringe*
@@russellspeed1693 The loner in the anorak was seen giving out sweets near the playground. It was such *cringe*
@@russellspeed1693 Cringe man should learn how to write a complete sentence. What *cringe*
I'm a United States citizen as generations of my people before me. But, I don't believe that the United States is a force for good anymore.
My country has gone into nations in South America and on the continent of Africa and in the Middle East and started civil wars that cost the lives of many, including whole families, just so that we could put the person or group in power that we considered to be most beneficial to us, and very often the motive was nothing more than greed for money and/or greed for power.
Every one of those continents has countless numbers of people who hate America and are just waiting to strike back at us for what we've done. We're not so big and bad that we can fight them all off. If one doesn't get us the others will find a way to. We have it coming.
As far as Putin is concerned I don't believe he will be defeated. Nor should he be. He has acted justly to protect his country and we, in the West and America in particular, have been the aggressors.
Putin will not be defeated.
More comedy gold from "Times Radio". It seems this channel, and most of its guests, live in an alternate universe from the majority of us!!
Why do all botskis repeat that "alternate universe" joke? Do all botskis say the same thing all the same, as instructed by their Master?
@@boink800limited grasp of English
Great video James "Handsome" ❤
All the Europeans have to do is pick up their end. Would they really prefer to end the NATO alliance, rather than to just do that one thing? If so, it doesn't seem like it would be our fault.
The people of Europe don’t want this war, and are annoyed with NATO for pushing it.
understand the European psyche. throughout the 20th century its relied on colonies, former colonies, and "dominions" to defend it. research African, ANZAC, Indian, American, Burmese, or Canadian troops who fought in either European wars, then pay attention to how those contributions are diminished by europeans today. That mindset is still pervasive.
In the words of Connor McGregor: Putin you'll do nutin 😂
Yep looks like Ukraine is winning!
a pleasure to listen!!!
So much compelling issues about an alliance.
Another overwhelming one got mentioned during D-day commemoration:
The allied forces where guided by a common goal down to every single fighter being convinced of it and having an orientation by it.
The German forces though have been stuck in autocratic hollowness and needed at every turn adjustment of their mindset such that they just couldn't meet the force of the common spirit of freedom.
Right now, with the bespoke threats and challenges, it would be fascinating to get Daalder's thoughts on whether there could be a global NATO, then of course without the "N" and the "A".
China would scream.
But if the 75 years of NATO showed anything, then that NATO is no threat to anyone.
And no one should be allowed to threaten like minded people to plea each other assistance for their security and territorial integrity and organize that in an alliance.
Such a global alliance including Japan, South Korea, Australia, Philippines and of course Ukraine would exactly be the predictable and reliable pillar of security and stability the world needs.
And of course the nursery of freedom and democracy.
It had many just suitable side effects,
e.g. a new accession process that would demand Hungary and Turkiye to think another time (and certainly come to the same result...),
e.g. more backup for US for its commitments in Asia,
e.g. being still a strong alliance without US,
e.g. by leveling the influence of US and thereby weakening that talking point of the US-led hegemony,
but above all, right because of the later, being such a powerful body, that US would be much more willing to stay.
It was interesting to listen. Can't say it was a pleasure hearing someone involved in making and executing policy misquote Trump's position so badly. He did say NATO members could not count on American defense if they would not prepare to defend themselves.
I guess this guy accurately represented Obama's policy of strongly worded statements staring down actual threats.
I disagree with your guest, at present NATO is led by France, with the US dragging its feet, holding Ukraine back. Vila la France!!!
France has done a lot of PR work, but Ukraine has said the US is its most important ally. France, as in the 20th century, will spend the 21st century talking a good game
What a delusional take Europe is just a collection of American vassal states the Americans own Europe.
Touché from Ireland 🇮🇪 7:58
Putin's defeat??? 😂😂😂
Are you guys living in the Bizzaro World?
Let's be serious about one thing here, ole poopy pants Biden is told what to say/what to think.
Someone/some group is pulling his strings.
⚠️ Since 2014, we've had Cold War 2.0.
Then, from 2022, we have slowly stepped into a pre-WW3 period.
⬇️
However, if I start to see a new version of the American 'Duck n Cover' 🇺🇸 cartoons from the 1950s or the British 'Protect & Survive' info-films from the 1970's, then I'll start to get a little concerned, until then no point thinking about it to much.
Let's just live 🍻
As most of us will not know what tomorrow brings...
Are we making WW3 threats, botski? Ha ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😀
Well, that’s what has me worried though. Back in the 80s the western elite was painfully aware of the dangers of nuclear war.
Nowadays they are absolutely oblivious to it, know nothing about it and expect to get their way every time…
Right now they are hitting Russian nuclear missile radars, expecting them to be cool about it.
@@boink800
No... just stating facts,
'ol chap!
The 1964 film,
'Dr. Strangelove'
Yeeeehhhaaaaa... 🤠 🚀
Ridiculous out of context statements on Ukraine being vital to the Western empires security! Goodness sakes Ukraine was Russia's neighbour since its inception and funnily enough still is.
Not only that but Ukraine was a co-dependent of the Russian state as both being a big part of the Soviet Union. Quite conversely Ukraine is a vital part of Russia's security architecture and was designed as such over acquisition of lands won in peace settlements over 150 years defeating invaders seeking to plunder Russia's resources.
I found myself yelling at the screen and had to turn this diplo-speak off. What on earth does “make Ukraine comfortable” mean? They are in an existential fight against a massive terrorist state. The only way they will ever feel “comfortable” is when Russia is defeated and thrown off their land (see Zelensky peace plan). This guy is a perfect example of passive, dithering appease-speak that got us here 10 years ago. Not once did I hear him say, as a chorus of other brilliant people are doing, that the strategic objective is for Ukraine to “win” (not be comfortable) and for the Russian terrorist state to be “defeated.”
I agree. This guy's a BS artist, just stating the obvious and what everyone already knows. Nothing new or insightful to offer.
Calm down! He's just trying to prepare pro Ukranian people for Ukraine's defeat. If Russia was a terrorist state, Kiev would look like Gaza. All those world leaders that visit Kiev would not be able to because the city would be rubble with 100, 000 of dead civilians under rubble, 90 % of hospitals destroyed and all transportation destroyed, government buildings, schools etc. Zelensky and his gang of thieves would escape to their mansions in the EU or the US. So stop the insane rhetoric. If any country is a terrorist it would be Israel, at this point Hamas is the one defending itself.
Did any of the members of this 'brilliant chorus' have an effective plan for bringing about this defeat of Russia? Do they have planes to send? Or pilots to fly them?
Good analysis
Unbelievable bullying
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You Brits are always amusing and good for a laugh. Sorry that your country is relevant now, but that’s on you.
So much delusional wishful thinking.
what? by russia?
@@wlhjr77 delusionaly Russia's GDP rose on 4th place and Russia outproduces NATO in military hardware and expendables...
What West's dreams could mean for the West | Ivo Daalder
This is the exact time to grant NATO membership to Ukraine. Couple that with an immediate call for a cease fire. This presents Putin with both a fait accompli and the off ramp to end the war. This also guarantees a free and independent Ukraine going forward without the country facing a demographic catastrophe. All other issues (occupied Ukrainian territory, sanctions, reparations, etc.) can be negotiated or not (read: Korean War Armistice 1953).