i mean the massive intel degradation drama with 13th and 14th gen intel CPU's is already a "no thank you" but AMD CPU's only becoming better is just a nail in the intel coffin. And im saying this as somebody who used i7'th his entire life. Only now i transfered to Ryzer 9 7950x3d
4x the efficiency...no it doesn't not at all actually for gaming it's pretty much 1:1 if only reviewers did their job rather than "content" people would know now :/ intel idling 13w 800mhz 0,8V 34°C amd idling 50w 4-5ghz 1.2+V 54°C - gaming both are in the 70-100w and amd is actually hotter (on a triple rad custom loop with my 4090 never going above 45°C stock so don't try to blame my cooling) - if 100% usage cinebench is your game amd wins, that's reality, intel still trashes amd efficieny wise for everything BUT 100% cpu usage that said...,.in march 23 I started saying "something wrong with my 13900k it's degrading incredibly fast" nobody cared they all said user error nothing to see here, my comments were censored by youtubers and tech forums...and here we are in 2024 I was right, people still inhaling copium trying to say "their" cpu is ok when it's not all intel p-e cpus will fail it has serious design flaws and I'm on a 7950x now (until 9000x3d is released) is it perfect no but it works in aug 2024 (totally didn't end 2022 which is why i went back to intel as an early adopter amd ddr5 didnt work at more than 4800mhz bios froze ! gaming didn't work windows scheduler and power management didn't work nothing worked 1y ago on x670e..it does now and I'm running plugandplay 2x16gbs 6200mhz xmp sticks from my dead intel pc)
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 If it is then its utterly disappointing. Though the PS5 pro is in an awkward spot right now, its not yet able to do 4k60fps so I dont see the point of the upgrade. Getting 75fps (from 60fps) on 1080p is nothing amazing, but if they some how manage to do 120fps on 1080p, then I might be sold..
@@VoldoronGaming I dunno. The going rumor is that it's supposed to have the same CPU but slightly faster and a much more powerful GPU than the standard PS5. The easiest way to make a GPU more powerful is to add more cores.
@Jasontvnd9 yeah intel is cooked but let's hope they do improve, if the compete with amd better it will lead to even better prices and new technology for all
That's good. It's also good to keep in mind that relative performance between chips can change a lot over time. Zen 5 has a lot of new architectural features which COULD see performance improve significantly as more software becomes better optimized for those features. As far as I can tell, Zen 5 has introduced more new architectural features/ changes over previous gen chips than any AMD CPU since Zen 1. There are already some applications, and even some games, where Zen 5 has a significant performance improvement over Zen 4 (15% faster in Assetto Corsa, and significantly faster performance in Photoshop, to name two examples). So, it at least seems possible that a wider range of applications will see better improvements over Zen 4. That being said, I would just go for Zen 4 now unless maybe some of your favorite games or applications ALREADY see a significant performance improvement with Zen 5. Zen 6 will likely offer an excellent and low-cost upgrade option for Zen 4 anyway. Upgrading every generation usually doesn't make sense. It usually makes more sense to wait two generations (or more) before upgrading your CPU, unless you suddenly find yourself wanting more heavily threaded performance, which you can obviously get by upgrading to a higher core count, even if it's a cpu from the same generation.
As someone else has stated, this is probably a cpu chip. We are expecting the X3D’s in november, and this lines up nicely. They ran it with integrated ram/vram which is odd, but if they are testing this for laptops its makes sense. It would also explain the insanely low score as integrated graphics are often a 2-3 generations behind
@@megapet777 yeah im very happy, its faster than my 5800x3d while consuming less power and im future proof because im on am5 and maybe in a year i buy a 9800x3D and will get good money from selling the 7800x3d
@@Raynoxfps yep am5 will most likely be another long lasting platform like am4. Honestly you could probably skip 9000 series since its not that much better and wait for the generation(s) after that.
The leak from MLiD claimed the 8800 has 64 compute units, and the PS5 Pro will have 60. So for whatever model this is to only have 28. It's gotta be fairly low end. If its actually 28 work group processors (56 cu) then somethings gotta be way off to be so slow. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a fake leak to offset Moore's recent leak
What's ironic is 24h2 performs better than in admin mode. I have a 5800x3d and see around the same uplift. Granted only tested a few games as I only started to use 24h2 3 days ago. But performance is night and day in lot of games.
The performance in some games was definitely off on Zen 3 CPUs. For example, I remember when I upgrade from 2600 to 5600 in 2022, I tested a few games and in Far Cry New Dawn 5600 was just 5% faster, while in many other games it was 30-50% faster. Judging by 15% boost in Far Cry 6, that Zen 4 gets with this new Win update, I belive it also boosts fremerates in earlier Far Cry games as well as in some other titles.
@@stangamer1151farcry games have a problem with cpu cores. U need to select every second cpu core in task manager for the game and u will gain a massive fps boost
@@stangamer1151 that's why Linux becoming a new gaming platform is important. It creates a new low bar, and if a game performs better on Linux after all the additional compatibility and translation layers, it means something is seriously wrong with Windows. And it creates negative media narratives, so MS managers have a reason to schedule performance work for their devs instead of just wedging more analytics and data gathering in there
@@Kage0No0Tenshi It's beta you can get it directly from Microsoft but you need to set your windows to opt in for beta. 1. Open Windows Settings (WIN+I) 2. Select "Windows Update" 3. Select "Windows Insider Program" 3. Select "Get started."
It should be noted that the new windows version didn't only upgrade the Ryzen CPUs, but also upgraded the 14600k in one game. So it seems windows was just that unoptimized towards CPUs for gaming and we might actually see performance boosts on many different CPUs with more optimization.
Consistent performance upgrades vs one outlier is kind of a different thing, but yeah we'll have to see more testing. I'm very confused by this whole situation. The idea a windows update could do that much for performance is kinda nuts sounding.
@@GewelRealThat is despite a bunch of extra layers, like Wine and DXVK. Cyberpunk seems to sometimes really like Linux for example, at least in my own experience.
I tested the new update on Fortnite, I have Ryzen 5 5600, my fps was 130-160 before the update, after I updated w11 to preview channel I was getting 150-240 fps
Zen 3 4 and 5 get performance boost from that new windows build...That means the 5800 X3d and all other Zen3 cpus as well as the 7800 X3D will be faster.
The 40 series GPU's saw MASSIVE performance boosts, what are you talking about? It was literally a Pascal-esque leap. If you ignore the naming and pricing, which Nvidia has abused to extortionate levels, the technology for Lovelace is amazing. And dont expect 50 series to be able to provide anything close to the same level of performance boost while still on TSMC 5nm family process. What consumers should hope is that 50 series is a big VALUE boost. We need better performance per dollar mostly, not just more performance.
@@defnotatroll I could see that 😂 I meant it in a way that I'll take any free performance I can get, especially if it's just a Windows update. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend this CPU if you're still on AM4 with a lower end CPU. It's practically as good as the 5800X33D but when I bought it, it was $120 cheaper so it was a no brainier for me.
I would still go Nvidia because I still play minecraft and care about opengl performance and shader compatibility. 6750XT is not as good as I thought it would be
@@braindead2813 Yep, same here. I would love for RX 8800 XT to be priced well but the rumor about it being up to $600 would be a bit crazy. If they do have a RX 8700 XT at $400 I would take that.
Videocards typically peak all the time while working. It's not like a videocard decides to give you 40 fps while it could've given you 90 if it worked at peak performance
Yeah the watts in games is basically stuck at 100w max due to the voltage limit. 115w might actually be a slight increase in power usage if the 5060 works more like the 3060 that it actually uses all of the TDP on the card to it's advantage and the voltage limit from the 4000 series is removed.
14:30 they first want to sell the regular 9000 series CPU to gamers before announcing the allready finished x3d, since every gamer will just go for the x3d
Power reduced from 140W to 115W, when the 140W was a lie and the RTX 4060 and RTX 4070 mobile barely used more than 90W due to Nvidia setting a voltage limit.
@@thor.halsli I don't think there is a mobile 4060/4070 that actually uses a voltage limit above 100w. Jarrod's tech has reviewed most laptop models and they all basically work the same. Even when you can use up to 140w on work tasks the power scaling is really bad and it doesn't increase performance by a lot.
I tested the FFXVI demo last night running 7700XT @ 1440p FSR3 Native AA Framegen settings, it was very smooth! Coming from the PS5 it almost feels like a remake, PS5's never seen this many pixels running this quickly before in its life. And all without that magical PS5 SSD to boot!
@@aznhomigI mean it's obviously not magic but it does have dedicated decompression hardware. Granted it has not really been useful for anything beyond slightly faster loading times in some titles, but it is there and could potentially be pretty useful for high quality asset streaming in the future. So if that ever becomes relevant during this console generation, it is definitely an advantage over a similar SSD without that hardware.
@@aznhomig The PS5 install size is nearly half of the PC's install size - There's probably a fair amount of that saved space that is thanks to the PS5's asset streaming tech (and please god, someone at DirectX and/or Vulkan and any other relevant player in the industry, make that a reality on PC ffs ;-; )
I played the FF16 demo with the patch - it ran acceptably well, though the stutters were quite annoying on a 5600x. They did mention being aware of the issue so hopefully it's fixed before launch. I actually preferred FSR over DLSS due to the sharpness coupled with framegen, which greatly helps the experience on my old 2080 Super.
For me, if I have to lower settings to High, I'm still in the green. If I have to lower them to Medium, I'm in the yellow and should start thinking about upgrading when the next card or deal comes around. If I have to lower them to Low, then I'm way past upgrading and need to do it ASAP.
Yes black ops 6 testing can be amazing. Curious about how much fps you can get on something like 6800xt etc... Thank you very much for everything that you do❤
This is perfectly fine tbh. The testing involves many aspects. It is possible that they could be running the test to optimise efficiency and power draw. For all we know, they could be running at 15 watts
AMD lets you download fps ; also AMD shoots both of their own feet for no discernible reason. AMD always sending mixed signals. to me this sounds like they where testing performance on that new windows build and never bothered to test the 7000 series cpus on it and just assumed that the 9000 series was that much better.
If it was NVIDIA doing the same thing, the narrative would be that they withheld this performance for some nefarious reason. But when AMD does it, it's fine wine/benevolence...
Moreover, looks like they never bothered about strange performance results in some games earlier, when Zen 3 was released. I remember that Zen 3 was just 5% faster than Zen+ in Far Cry New Dawn. It was a very strange result. Yet nobody ever bothered about it. Looks like with time these issues only got worse. And now we have a bunch of games that perform worse then they should on a wide range of AMD CPUs (Zen 3/4/5). How could AMD missed this anyway?
@@darudesandstorm7002 well the performance was gained by a windows update which clearly AMD was working on with microsoft. also why NVIDIA? these are CPU issues, which NVIDIA isn't even in the market of.
@@Z3t487 it's more likely they just didn't test rather then some grand master plan that isn't practical in the short or long term. their claimed numbers make sense if you don't test the 7000 series. so it's pretty clear that AMD didn't test the 7000 series in the same configuration (windows version/admin account). they assumed the 9000 series was that good but didn't account for the changed variables between the 7000 series and 9000 series. i wish humans were as smart as you seem to think they are. they are not, humans are quite dumb and quite honestly maybe only a handful of people could actually plan and enact some grand plan but even then....it wouldn't really all go according to plan....way too many variables, even if you could utilize all the super computers on Earth.
The only thing coming up I want to play is the Indy game, for which I don't need an upgrade. If I did, I would probably just get a used 3090 or 3090TI. I also think the 7900GRE is going to be a budget superstar after RDNA 4 launch.
8:34 I find it bewildering that people are only looking at the positive side of this, i.e. free performance. Don't get me wrong, I have. 7800x3D so I am thrilled but it is bewildering that AMD hasn't noticed or addressed this until now. Has there not been a gap between their numbers and reviewers for literally every launch for generations? Have they never wondered why their own automated testing was showing a 10% lead over their manual testing?
The World of warcraft 4070 super is for sale. MSI sent me an email notification with a "buy now" button that sent me to a local Finnish retailer with it in stock for 869€
Always interested in Final Fantasy benchmarks. I am just wrapping up FF7 Rebirth and can't wait to see a PC version - although vexed that saves don't seem transferable. (I played Remake on PC so couldn't even get the carry over items.) Not sure if I'll have time for FF16 but intrigued.
Upscalers are becoming more and more commom to rum games até 1080p. AMD needs a new generation card that provides a new good upscale tha could compete with to DLSS
They would need to rework their upscaling to be hardware bases like Nvidia (so no support for previous gens) and make it based on AI models instead of being handtuned. Otherwise they will always be behind.
@@lilpain1997 Once they have a good solution, it will be good for a long time (if not forever). It's like worrying about sound performance in a modern PC - once upon a time we needed dedicated sound cards to process the sound and output it, but now you can use the motherboard built-in audio and it's good enough. The same will be for upscaling - it's not some impossible issue to solve, but they can do it in time, surely, even AMD.
@@kunka592 Never said it cant be done. Just saying they will always be behind and they will. Nvidia have far more money to do these things and AMD dont. They can easily do an AI version of FSR and its been rumoured for a while to be a thing thats going to happen
the recommended specs for bo6 is what I expected the minimum to be. I think this could be bit misleading. I dont think cold war, much older cod is even playable with gtx 960 and 8gb ram.
The latest rumor from MLID is that it'll be launching in October or November, so we may not be so far from launch, after all. Supposedly, AMD deliberately leaked Q1 '25 earlier so that they could surprise Nvidia with a Fall release, and they might've also nerfed it in his benchmark for the same reason.
It's amazing how people are completely ignoring the fact the Hardware Unboxed DID test this Win update with Intel CPU, only 3 games but still, they DID show performance uplifit as well, in Gears 5 the uplifit was actully amazing as well, something like more than 15%. Are these people pretending to be dumb, or did they not watched the whole video of Hardware Unboxed?! Omg...
I would have that mini HX 370 PC on the shopping list if it wasn't for it having the RAM soldered onto the board, I can hold out until Monster Hunter Wilds arrives and then I gotta get anything that can run it at a steady 60fps in 1080p with minimum details.
Hey Daniel in that hwunboxed video he showed intel getting massive performance gains. It was at the end of the video so 99.9% of viewers skipped that part. It’s just a scheduling update so it benefits every cpu reguardless of manufacture.
Until the final chips and cards / SKUs arrive, everything is just a rumor. Alpha, beta, initial revisions etc etc etc. can be. This is either a mid to low end card or even an iGPU with 16 GB allocated to it to not be limited by the Ram amount. The HX 370 RDNA 3.5 delivers up to 30% increase at the same TDP, with RDNA 4 we might get up to 50% speed increase while consuming the same, which would be great, specially if they improve the RT performance which is still far from Nvidia. I’m not in a hurry.
Or this is a workstation card being tested, and it is using a design which segregates the die into parts which Geekbench can't interoperate correctly yet? Either way I think its too early to be speculating.
@@fatidicusaeternus6498 true. Arrow lake around the corner. I'm already on raptor lake, cant upgrade unless I'm on a 4090 or higher. Be waiting for zen6 at this point to upgrade.
The overall score of RDNA4 was so low because one subtest was not finished at all (probably still crashing). The other subtests were all over the place but very roughly in line with a 7800 XT which is about the performance class of this GPU (maybe a bit higher)
The new Windows update makes me wonder if the performance boost applies to all AMD CPUs and possibly APUs as well? Or maybe only 7000 + 9000 chips only? What about even older generations? Maybe Zen 1 gets a bit too?
AMD themselves mentioned Zen 3/4/5. Earlier generations always performed as they should. It all started with Zen 3, which was already barely faster than Zen 2 in some games back in 2020. With time situation only got worse.
I'm interesting in Star Wars Outlaws PC performance. Curious to see how many graphics issues exist in the game while I wait for the game to get fixed up.
RDNA4 engineering score is lower than 890... This is a bit disappointing because RDNA3.5 was said not to work for discrete graphics cards. There is quite a bit of confusion here with this test...
Male no mistake... RDNA4 will be launched and for sale before CES 2025. AMD wants to surprise nVIDIA with an early launch that they can not compete with, and it will probably perform slightly better than expected...
I really like their rdna 2's power efficiency . Hopefully they'll do the same with rdna 4. I prefer that over scammy +4gb vram, it's utterly pointless.
So the 5060 is going to perform at the level the 4060 SHOULD have performed at if Nvidia made a normal 60 class GPU instead of rebranding a 4050 as a 4060 to double the price.
If I were you I would be looking at a 7800 XT or 7900 GRE they have the same performance as the 6950 and you will have a new card covered with a warranty.
Thank you. The 6950 will be a new card. It will have a better performances then the 7800 or the 7900 . That is way i ask, to know that i don't miss something. @@ISeeQuality-ox8ku
We always knew that the AMD RNDA 4 was going to be a midrange GPU. This is due to the fact that AMD is not making high-end graphics cards for the next generation due tech issue with scaling the chip lets. so it was not a surprise. What is going to make or break AMD's next-generation GPU is its price and performance. So early day and basic test that we have no real contect for.
Subsribed. I feel ur one of the only ones who isnt biased in any way. Great vid Bud keep up the good work! People are still butthurt about the inflated benchmark numbers and misleading which I do get its toxic but tbh the whole market is toxic. And Id take misleading bechmarks and open scource tech and really pro consumer practices any day of the week. If we look at FSR3 (free to use for almost all gamers), this free update and the insane price to performace for less than 400 euro (7800x3d). People need to give AMD a break. 9000 series CPU are still pretty meh but how does it get better than a 7800x3d like wtf? Or go buy a 500-600 euro CPU from intel thats getting damaged on its own. Only after Intel got called out for it they wanted to sweep it under the rug. And yet people seem to like for AMD to fail atleast so seems the case. I would never take a Intel cpu again maybe. Kinda hard to still trust them. And I always had Intel most of the time.
So the 7800X3D is now 15-20% faster in gaming than Intel's best for less than half the price and with 4X the efficiency.
That's crazy!
i mean the massive intel degradation drama with 13th and 14th gen intel CPU's is already a "no thank you" but AMD CPU's only becoming better is just a nail in the intel coffin.
And im saying this as somebody who used i7'th his entire life. Only now i transfered to Ryzer 9 7950x3d
Conclusion. Nvidia gpu, cpu amd. ❤
Not "now". Those who continued using Windows 10 never saw the slowdowns
4x the efficiency...no it doesn't not at all actually for gaming it's pretty much 1:1 if only reviewers did their job rather than "content" people would know now :/ intel idling 13w 800mhz 0,8V 34°C amd idling 50w 4-5ghz 1.2+V 54°C - gaming both are in the 70-100w and amd is actually hotter (on a triple rad custom loop with my 4090 never going above 45°C stock so don't try to blame my cooling) - if 100% usage cinebench is your game amd wins, that's reality, intel still trashes amd efficieny wise for everything BUT 100% cpu usage that said...,.in march 23 I started saying "something wrong with my 13900k it's degrading incredibly fast" nobody cared they all said user error nothing to see here, my comments were censored by youtubers and tech forums...and here we are in 2024 I was right, people still inhaling copium trying to say "their" cpu is ok when it's not all intel p-e cpus will fail it has serious design flaws and I'm on a 7950x now (until 9000x3d is released) is it perfect no but it works in aug 2024 (totally didn't end 2022 which is why i went back to intel as an early adopter amd ddr5 didnt work at more than 4800mhz bios froze ! gaming didn't work windows scheduler and power management didn't work nothing worked 1y ago on x670e..it does now and I'm running plugandplay 2x16gbs 6200mhz xmp sticks from my dead intel pc)
@@fredEVOIX I got my intel RMA a month ago. Yea its working but I don't trust it which has turned me off to do anything with it anymore.
I think the RDNA 4 benchmark is integrated graphics. The clock speed and CUs are within that range, along with the benchmark numbers might match.
Some people are saying it's the PS5 Pro chip.
but 16gigs is a bit more than a normal laptop would have
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 They are wrong. The PS5 Pro is going to have about the same Compute Units at the PS5.
@@adeptuspotatocus6451 If it is then its utterly disappointing. Though the PS5 pro is in an awkward spot right now, its not yet able to do 4k60fps so I dont see the point of the upgrade. Getting 75fps (from 60fps) on 1080p is nothing amazing, but if they some how manage to do 120fps on 1080p, then I might be sold..
@@VoldoronGaming I dunno. The going rumor is that it's supposed to have the same CPU but slightly faster and a much more powerful GPU than the standard PS5. The easiest way to make a GPU more powerful is to add more cores.
Crazy how 7000 series just gets a free boost
A rerevoew of the 7800X3D vs 14900k is really going to dig the boot into intel at this point.
Yep, it has now encouraged me to go AM5 with a 7000 series cpu next year.
does it apply to 5800x3D?
@masterlee1988 def a good choice basically a no brainer
@Jasontvnd9 yeah intel is cooked but let's hope they do improve, if the compete with amd better it will lead to even better prices and new technology for all
You know it's gonna be a serious video when Dan is wearing the glasses.
Thanks for doing a descriptive title!
That why I dont care about rumors. I wait till consumer products are available and tested by the tech community.
Yup me too.
And yet here you are...
@@Miguel_Noether watching a video?
That's good. It's also good to keep in mind that relative performance between chips can change a lot over time. Zen 5 has a lot of new architectural features which COULD see performance improve significantly as more software becomes better optimized for those features. As far as I can tell, Zen 5 has introduced more new architectural features/ changes over previous gen chips than any AMD CPU since Zen 1.
There are already some applications, and even some games, where Zen 5 has a significant performance improvement over Zen 4 (15% faster in Assetto Corsa, and significantly faster performance in Photoshop, to name two examples). So, it at least seems possible that a wider range of applications will see better improvements over Zen 4.
That being said, I would just go for Zen 4 now unless maybe some of your favorite games or applications ALREADY see a significant performance improvement with Zen 5. Zen 6 will likely offer an excellent and low-cost upgrade option for Zen 4 anyway. Upgrading every generation usually doesn't make sense. It usually makes more sense to wait two generations (or more) before upgrading your CPU, unless you suddenly find yourself wanting more heavily threaded performance, which you can obviously get by upgrading to a higher core count, even if it's a cpu from the same generation.
As someone else has stated, this is probably a cpu chip. We are expecting the X3D’s in november, and this lines up nicely. They ran it with integrated ram/vram which is odd, but if they are testing this for laptops its makes sense.
It would also explain the insanely low score as integrated graphics are often a 2-3 generations behind
Im going to say it is either an igpu with rdna 4 using ram as vram, is the only way those low scores makes sense
says its either and then lists one thing
13:50 INCORRECT. The price of the 7800x3d in Germany right now is 367€ while last month there was a price of 328€ !
i should have buyed it earlier, now i payed 377
@@Raynoxfps I mean thats still really good deal for such amazing cpu
They are 430€ in Italy
@@megapet777 yeah im very happy, its faster than my 5800x3d while consuming less power and im future proof because im on am5 and maybe in a year i buy a 9800x3D and will get good money from selling the 7800x3d
@@Raynoxfps yep am5 will most likely be another long lasting platform like am4. Honestly you could probably skip 9000 series since its not that much better and wait for the generation(s) after that.
The leak from MLiD claimed the 8800 has 64 compute units, and the PS5 Pro will have 60. So for whatever model this is to only have 28. It's gotta be fairly low end. If its actually 28 work group processors (56 cu) then somethings gotta be way off to be so slow.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a fake leak to offset Moore's recent leak
That is my thought too. They already did a disinformation campaign about RDNA4 releasing in 2025.
What's ironic is 24h2 performs better than in admin mode. I have a 5800x3d and see around the same uplift. Granted only tested a few games as I only started to use 24h2 3 days ago. But performance is night and day in lot of games.
The performance in some games was definitely off on Zen 3 CPUs. For example, I remember when I upgrade from 2600 to 5600 in 2022, I tested a few games and in Far Cry New Dawn 5600 was just 5% faster, while in many other games it was 30-50% faster. Judging by 15% boost in Far Cry 6, that Zen 4 gets with this new Win update, I belive it also boosts fremerates in earlier Far Cry games as well as in some other titles.
@@stangamer1151farcry games have a problem with cpu cores. U need to select every second cpu core in task manager for the game and u will gain a massive fps boost
@@stangamer1151 that's why Linux becoming a new gaming platform is important. It creates a new low bar, and if a game performs better on Linux after all the additional compatibility and translation layers, it means something is seriously wrong with Windows.
And it creates negative media narratives, so MS managers have a reason to schedule performance work for their devs instead of just wedging more analytics and data gathering in there
how did you get 24h2 ?
I have 5800x3d but I have not get any update from microsoft and want it
@@Kage0No0Tenshi It's beta you can get it directly from Microsoft but you need to set your windows to opt in for beta.
1. Open Windows Settings (WIN+I)
2. Select "Windows Update"
3. Select "Windows Insider Program"
3. Select "Get started."
It should be noted that the new windows version didn't only upgrade the Ryzen CPUs, but also upgraded the 14600k in one game. So it seems windows was just that unoptimized towards CPUs for gaming and we might actually see performance boosts on many different CPUs with more optimization.
no wonder Linux is sometimes faster than Windows lmao
Consistent performance upgrades vs one outlier is kind of a different thing, but yeah we'll have to see more testing. I'm very confused by this whole situation. The idea a windows update could do that much for performance is kinda nuts sounding.
might be because of different reasons though, the optimizations for Ryzen might be one update, and the fix for Gears might be a different fix
Does anyone know if this update will be rolled out to windows 10?
@@GewelRealThat is despite a bunch of extra layers, like Wine and DXVK. Cyberpunk seems to sometimes really like Linux for example, at least in my own experience.
I like how you look like a scientist from a superhero movie in the thumbnail
He is our super hero! hahah
Do the Ryzen 5000 series get a boost from Windows 11 24H2?
Yes, Zen 3 is also affected
Yes. Hardware unboxed said so.
the gains are pretty noticeable, I'm using a 5800x3d
Windows has been nerfing AMD for decades.
I tested the new update on Fortnite, I have Ryzen 5 5600, my fps was 130-160 before the update, after I updated w11 to preview channel I was getting 150-240 fps
Zen 3 4 and 5 get performance boost from that new windows build...That means the 5800 X3d and all other Zen3 cpus as well as the 7800 X3D will be faster.
Owning a 5800x3D I can confirm a significant FPS boost in Fortnite.
Dx11, 1440p, maxed, 4080s
Then this doesn't actually address the problem with Zen 5 on Windows. It seems they simply stumbled on a different problem
@@Ilestunzen 5 got 31% gain. What did you get with your CPU?
@@NJ-wb1czYeah it seems to benefit games a little old vs new games.
@@VoldoronGaming Around 20%, match with the benchmark done with zen4 and zen5 (hardware unboxed).
You can't believe a thing I say but I'll put it out there.
The 40 series GPU's saw MASSIVE performance boosts, what are you talking about? It was literally a Pascal-esque leap. If you ignore the naming and pricing, which Nvidia has abused to extortionate levels, the technology for Lovelace is amazing. And dont expect 50 series to be able to provide anything close to the same level of performance boost while still on TSMC 5nm family process. What consumers should hope is that 50 series is a big VALUE boost. We need better performance per dollar mostly, not just more performance.
The vast majority of PC gamers are absolutely tech illiterate, what did you expect?
Steve already tested with the 14600k in that video in a few titles.
Gears 5 saw the same high 25% boost and the others got zero on the few he tested.
7:15 Successor is the word you're looking for
Hopefully my 5700X3D benefits from this Windows update. Ill take even 5% free performance 😂
Is the CPU bad?
@@defnotatroll nah it's actually pretty great for the money. I had a 3700X before and it's way better with my 3080 for gaming. It also runs cooler.
@@Paulie8K your comment made it sound like it's bad haha
@@defnotatroll I could see that 😂 I meant it in a way that I'll take any free performance I can get, especially if it's just a Windows update. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend this CPU if you're still on AM4 with a lower end CPU. It's practically as good as the 5800X33D but when I bought it, it was $120 cheaper so it was a no brainier for me.
They simply fixed a long standing bug in Windows 11. Remember that Windows 10 performs better than Windows 11, they simply fixed that.
way more than that.
0:16 But 2.1Ghz clockspeed is rather slow isn't it. These days both green and red camp are targetting close to 3Ghz core clocks.
Its most likely just a iGpu
Engineer sample
@@yakubhortensie9276 Engineer Samples are usually very close performance wise to the Release Product
This RX 8000 benchmarks seem like a distraction to me
Its sandbagging. 2.1 GHz is about the clock speed of the 5700XT
@@Razzbow dude when will people understand that architectures scale differently with clockrates?
@@Razzbow clock speed isn't a comparative metric between two different chips...
@@Razzbow id guess its either a lower spec rdna 4 desktop gpu or a integrated laptop chip
RX 8800XT is targeting at least more performance than 7900XT. Up to RX 7900XTX for a RX 8850XT of sorts. Maybe it will be RX 8800 and RX 8800XT.
I would still go Nvidia because I still play minecraft and care about opengl performance and shader compatibility. 6750XT is not as good as I thought it would be
I have never been making more money in my life at the moment but I just couldn't justify spending 600+ on a GPU out of principle.
Same. Most I spent was near $500 one time. But I usually go for $300-400 range.
@@masterlee1988 I wish more consumers were like you 🫤 maybe we could get some good deals going. Hopefully the RX 8800 XT doesn't eat S*** and flop.
@@braindead2813 Yep, same here. I would love for RX 8800 XT to be priced well but the rumor about it being up to $600 would be a bit crazy. If they do have a RX 8700 XT at $400 I would take that.
RTX 4060/4070 laptop performance peaks at 100W. Saying "60 level card power consumption reduced from 140W to 100W" make no sense
no my rtx 4070 goes to full 140w when using rt and avg it uses 130w
Videocards typically peak all the time while working. It's not like a videocard decides to give you 40 fps while it could've given you 90 if it worked at peak performance
Yeah the watts in games is basically stuck at 100w max due to the voltage limit. 115w might actually be a slight increase in power usage if the 5060 works more like the 3060 that it actually uses all of the TDP on the card to it's advantage and the voltage limit from the 4000 series is removed.
14:30 they first want to sell the regular 9000 series CPU to gamers before announcing the allready finished x3d, since every gamer will just go for the x3d
that looks like an APU score
Does FF XVI Demo still loking the cutscene at 30 FPS after the latest patch?
Star Wars Outlaws Testing
Power reduced from 140W to 115W, when the 140W was a lie and the RTX 4060 and RTX 4070 mobile barely used more than 90W due to Nvidia setting a voltage limit.
Shady af
Mobile gpu voltage limit is set by the OEM board not nvidia
@@thor.halsli I don't think there is a mobile 4060/4070 that actually uses a voltage limit above 100w. Jarrod's tech has reviewed most laptop models and they all basically work the same. Even when you can use up to 140w on work tasks the power scaling is really bad and it doesn't increase performance by a lot.
@@WhoamiamIMr it isnt. More power barely gets you more performance, also you dont want to use 140 watts in a laptop...
I tested the FFXVI demo last night running 7700XT @ 1440p FSR3 Native AA Framegen settings, it was very smooth! Coming from the PS5 it almost feels like a remake, PS5's never seen this many pixels running this quickly before in its life. And all without that magical PS5 SSD to boot!
The "magical ps5 SSD" is just an NVME SSD of appropriate speed anyways, matched by your usual Gen 4 type.
@@aznhomig That can't be, Square-Enix would never lie to me
Stop exaggerating. A resolution bump, higher framerate and higher LODs is remaster territory. Its no way near a remake.
@@aznhomigI mean it's obviously not magic but it does have dedicated decompression hardware. Granted it has not really been useful for anything beyond slightly faster loading times in some titles, but it is there and could potentially be pretty useful for high quality asset streaming in the future. So if that ever becomes relevant during this console generation, it is definitely an advantage over a similar SSD without that hardware.
@@aznhomig The PS5 install size is nearly half of the PC's install size - There's probably a fair amount of that saved space that is thanks to the PS5's asset streaming tech (and please god, someone at DirectX and/or Vulkan and any other relevant player in the industry, make that a reality on PC ffs ;-; )
if you multiply the result by the number of workgroups you will notice that the result is more logical, I think this test concerns a single workgroup
I played the FF16 demo with the patch - it ran acceptably well, though the stutters were quite annoying on a 5600x. They did mention being aware of the issue so hopefully it's fixed before launch. I actually preferred FSR over DLSS due to the sharpness coupled with framegen, which greatly helps the experience on my old 2080 Super.
Daniel Owen, awesome content keep up the amazing work
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Hahaha scammer, no one will buy your "Fortnite gift cards".
can you please do a video for best external gpu card choice for tb3 / tb4 bottleneck?
can't wait, but i don't have money..
same here
Lowering Settings is my personal Meta.
When that fails, time to upgrade, but not until.
Thats my moto lol im upgraditng after 8 years from 8700 i7 and 1080 gtx
For me, if I have to lower settings to High, I'm still in the green. If I have to lower them to Medium, I'm in the yellow and should start thinking about upgrading when the next card or deal comes around. If I have to lower them to Low, then I'm way past upgrading and need to do it ASAP.
I hate ETA prime channel. He is a hidden advertisement channel. He never says something is bad whatsoever.
Yes black ops 6 testing can be amazing.
Curious about how much fps you can get on something like 6800xt etc...
Thank you very much for everything that you do❤
This is perfectly fine tbh. The testing involves many aspects. It is possible that they could be running the test to optimise efficiency and power draw. For all we know, they could be running at 15 watts
AMD lets you download fps ; also AMD shoots both of their own feet for no discernible reason.
AMD always sending mixed signals.
to me this sounds like they where testing performance on that new windows build and never bothered to test the 7000 series cpus on it and just assumed that the 9000 series was that much better.
No, they wanted you to believe the performance boost was for Zen 5 only, that's why we need KitguruTech, Hardware Unboxed.
If it was NVIDIA doing the same thing, the narrative would be that they withheld this performance for some nefarious reason. But when AMD does it, it's fine wine/benevolence...
Moreover, looks like they never bothered about strange performance results in some games earlier, when Zen 3 was released. I remember that Zen 3 was just 5% faster than Zen+ in Far Cry New Dawn. It was a very strange result. Yet nobody ever bothered about it. Looks like with time these issues only got worse. And now we have a bunch of games that perform worse then they should on a wide range of AMD CPUs (Zen 3/4/5). How could AMD missed this anyway?
@@darudesandstorm7002
well the performance was gained by a windows update which clearly AMD was working on with microsoft.
also why NVIDIA? these are CPU issues, which NVIDIA isn't even in the market of.
@@Z3t487
it's more likely they just didn't test rather then some grand master plan that isn't practical in the short or long term.
their claimed numbers make sense if you don't test the 7000 series. so it's pretty clear that AMD didn't test the 7000 series in the same configuration (windows version/admin account). they assumed the 9000 series was that good but didn't account for the changed variables between the 7000 series and 9000 series.
i wish humans were as smart as you seem to think they are. they are not, humans are quite dumb and quite honestly maybe only a handful of people could actually plan and enact some grand plan but even then....it wouldn't really all go according to plan....way too many variables, even if you could utilize all the super computers on Earth.
I'm not too interested in Outlaws as a game but i feel it might turn out as a heavier version of Avatar which is in your benches, so worth a test.
Doesn't sound much like a discrete GPU.
The only thing coming up I want to play is the Indy game, for which I don't need an upgrade. If I did, I would probably just get a used 3090 or 3090TI. I also think the 7900GRE is going to be a budget superstar after RDNA 4 launch.
We all joked about downloading RAM but never knew you could actually download FPS.
8:34 I find it bewildering that people are only looking at the positive side of this, i.e. free performance. Don't get me wrong, I have. 7800x3D so I am thrilled but it is bewildering that AMD hasn't noticed or addressed this until now.
Has there not been a gap between their numbers and reviewers for literally every launch for generations? Have they never wondered why their own automated testing was showing a 10% lead over their manual testing?
got 7800x3d a few days ago, im absolutelly impressed, this CPU is incredible
14700k and 14900k saw a huge uplift on 24h2 during my testing. I haven't test 12th gen
The World of warcraft 4070 super is for sale. MSI sent me an email notification with a "buy now" button that sent me to a local Finnish retailer with it in stock for 869€
Always interested in Final Fantasy benchmarks. I am just wrapping up FF7 Rebirth and can't wait to see a PC version - although vexed that saves don't seem transferable. (I played Remake on PC so couldn't even get the carry over items.) Not sure if I'll have time for FF16 but intrigued.
Upscalers are becoming more and more commom to rum games até 1080p. AMD needs a new generation card that provides a new good upscale tha could compete with to DLSS
They would need to rework their upscaling to be hardware bases like Nvidia (so no support for previous gens) and make it based on AI models instead of being handtuned. Otherwise they will always be behind.
@@keldon1137 they will always be behind anyway. You have to train that AI remember.
@@lilpain1997 Once they have a good solution, it will be good for a long time (if not forever). It's like worrying about sound performance in a modern PC - once upon a time we needed dedicated sound cards to process the sound and output it, but now you can use the motherboard built-in audio and it's good enough. The same will be for upscaling - it's not some impossible issue to solve, but they can do it in time, surely, even AMD.
Nobody actually cares about upscaling.
@@kunka592 Never said it cant be done. Just saying they will always be behind and they will. Nvidia have far more money to do these things and AMD dont. They can easily do an AI version of FSR and its been rumoured for a while to be a thing thats going to happen
next benchmark game should be Silent Hill 2 Remake to see if they optimized it correctly
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I.e. we can now not only download RAM from the internet, but also the CPU? Very nice
the recommended specs for bo6 is what I expected the minimum to be. I think this could be bit misleading. I dont think cold war, much older cod is even playable with gtx 960 and 8gb ram.
I wonder if the 7000 series gpus will also be seeing some kind of uplift?
2.1ghz this far from launch is actually fairly high I would say
The latest rumor from MLID is that it'll be launching in October or November, so we may not be so far from launch, after all. Supposedly, AMD deliberately leaked Q1 '25 earlier so that they could surprise Nvidia with a Fall release, and they might've also nerfed it in his benchmark for the same reason.
As a 7800X3D owner. HOLY SHIT!
Star Wars Outlaws test would be good, more interested in how Snowdrop engine performs nowadays than the game itself.
You might want to check out the ffxvi demo, I noticed SOME cutscenes played at full pace. Seemed strange.
It's amazing how people are completely ignoring the fact the Hardware Unboxed DID test this Win update with Intel CPU, only 3 games but still, they DID show performance uplifit as well, in Gears 5 the uplifit was actully amazing as well, something like more than 15%. Are these people pretending to be dumb, or did they not watched the whole video of Hardware Unboxed?! Omg...
People are just getting paid to promote AMD's product.
I would have that mini HX 370 PC on the shopping list if it wasn't for it having the RAM soldered onto the board, I can hold out until Monster Hunter Wilds arrives and then I gotta get anything that can run it at a steady 60fps in 1080p with minimum details.
Successor, the world you're looking for is successor.
8:40 it does not only effect ryzen 9000s it give fps boost for older generations too xD
Hey Daniel in that hwunboxed video he showed intel getting massive performance gains. It was at the end of the video so 99.9% of viewers skipped that part. It’s just a scheduling update so it benefits every cpu reguardless of manufacture.
He showed one game where it had the same large performance boost, but a couple more where it had none. More testing is needed.
Until the final chips and cards / SKUs arrive, everything is just a rumor. Alpha, beta, initial revisions etc etc etc. can be. This is either a mid to low end card or even an iGPU with 16 GB allocated to it to not be limited by the Ram amount.
The HX 370 RDNA 3.5 delivers up to 30% increase at the same TDP, with RDNA 4 we might get up to 50% speed increase while consuming the same, which would be great, specially if they improve the RT performance which is still far from Nvidia. I’m not in a hurry.
Or this is a workstation card being tested, and it is using a design which segregates the die into parts which Geekbench can't interoperate correctly yet? Either way I think its too early to be speculating.
Intel users downloading an fps penalty with the microcode update while AMD users are downloading more fps. It's so over for Intel.
Their next cpu coming in october is faster than the 9950X by about 5-8% in geekbench. A synthetic.
What do you mean, zen 5 is a complete flop. Intel selling better than zen 5.
@@oneanother1 Intel is not selling better than zen 4 though, which it loses to in performance and now it even gets a windows performance boost.
@@fatidicusaeternus6498 true. Arrow lake around the corner. I'm already on raptor lake, cant upgrade unless I'm on a 4090 or higher. Be waiting for zen6 at this point to upgrade.
AMD gains performance over time, Intel loses performance and starts to fail.
Let's hope Intel survives the next year.
The overall score of RDNA4 was so low because one subtest was not finished at all (probably still crashing). The other subtests were all over the place but very roughly in line with a 7800 XT which is about the performance class of this GPU (maybe a bit higher)
I noticed this too. It seems most people didn’t actually go to the benchmark links that were posted by the original account.
The new Windows update makes me wonder if the performance boost applies to all AMD CPUs and possibly APUs as well? Or maybe only 7000 + 9000 chips only? What about even older generations? Maybe Zen 1 gets a bit too?
AMD themselves mentioned Zen 3/4/5. Earlier generations always performed as they should. It all started with Zen 3, which was already barely faster than Zen 2 in some games back in 2020. With time situation only got worse.
I think you should benchmark Star Wars Outlaws, the game seems pretty demanding.
I'm interesting in Star Wars Outlaws PC performance. Curious to see how many graphics issues exist in the game while I wait for the game to get fixed up.
in India the 7800x3d price increased by 4000 INR.
Absolutely , please revisit final fantasy 16.
Please compare performance against initial testing to the new patch.
The 7800X3D just keeps winning.
Ill rather wait for rx 7600 price come down under 200 dollars for my ryzen 5 5500 . I was thinking of buying tge rx 6600
Better buy rx6700xt from second hand market...
would like to see xvi but waiting for game release is the better call here imo
Is there going to be an upgrade for win10 users too?
I'm installing the windows update now. Hopefully it makes my computer faster.
If RX8000 are still so bad for VR, it's not for me.
I hope they will improve strongly their drivers.
What about Ryzen 5000 series and Windows 24H2 ?
This is the strix point APU
The World of Warcraft cards got released in sweden yeaterday for 1125 usd
Most 4060 laptops hit a voltage limit around 105w so the 115w tgp doesn't really change much
The performance difference is what we're looking for though.
RDNA4 engineering score is lower than 890...
This is a bit disappointing because RDNA3.5 was said not to work for discrete graphics cards.
There is quite a bit of confusion here with this test...
Male no mistake... RDNA4 will be launched and for sale before CES 2025. AMD wants to surprise nVIDIA with an early launch that they can not compete with, and it will probably perform slightly better than expected...
I really like their rdna 2's power efficiency . Hopefully they'll do the same with rdna 4. I prefer that over scammy +4gb vram, it's utterly pointless.
id def be interested in a retest of ff16. i saw someone say they got a minor fps boost, curious to see if that's true
So the 5060 is going to perform at the level the 4060 SHOULD have performed at if Nvidia made a normal 60 class GPU instead of rebranding a 4050 as a 4060 to double the price.
RDNA4 stuff might be for Steam Deck 2 or Deckard or something
Sir do you think the 6950 XT is worth buying now?
Or to wait to the 8800 XT (in the same price range)..
Thank you.
If I were you I would be looking at a 7800 XT or 7900 GRE they have the same performance as the 6950 and you will have a new card covered with a warranty.
Thank you.
The 6950 will be a new card. It will have a better performances then the 7800 or the 7900 .
That is way i ask, to know that i don't miss something.
@@ISeeQuality-ox8ku
From what I heard ray tracing performance is on par with 4070ti and price should be around 499€
CLASS IS IN SESSION EVERYONE LISTEN UP.
"greately reduced from 140 to 115w" is hilarious.
Good luck in the new school year !
Intel: chips crashing or download less fps
Amd: download more fps
Will zen3 get performance gains from W42H2?
star wars outlaws testing would be interesting
We always knew that the AMD RNDA 4 was going to be a midrange GPU. This is due to the fact that AMD is not making high-end graphics cards for the next generation due tech issue with scaling the chip lets. so it was not a surprise. What is going to make or break AMD's next-generation GPU is its price and performance. So early day and basic test that we have no real contect for.
23:38 calling your Game concord....as Tony stark would say "Not a great look"
Maybe their next game could be called "Boeing 737 Max"
Subsribed. I feel ur one of the only ones who isnt biased in any way. Great vid Bud keep up the good work! People are still butthurt about the inflated benchmark numbers and misleading which I do get its toxic but tbh the whole market is toxic. And Id take misleading bechmarks and open scource tech and really pro consumer practices any day of the week. If we look at FSR3 (free to use for almost all gamers), this free update and the insane price to performace for less than 400 euro (7800x3d). People need to give AMD a break. 9000 series CPU are still pretty meh but how does it get better than a 7800x3d like wtf? Or go buy a 500-600 euro CPU from intel thats getting damaged on its own. Only after Intel got called out for it they wanted to sweep it under the rug. And yet people seem to like for AMD to fail atleast so seems the case. I would never take a Intel cpu again maybe. Kinda hard to still trust them. And I always had Intel most of the time.
Very interested in Space Marine 2 perf!