A Libertarian View of Welfare
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2010
- John Stossel draws from a panel of experts to discuss a libertarian view of the welfare state. Do government programs lift people out of poverty or do they perpetuate cycles of dependency?
As a Libertarian myself these folk did a poor job of making the case for Libertarianism. The woman did the best job of the bunch. Speaking to the choir doesn’t convince others that this is something that’s in their best interest.
It wasn't a Q and A debate. They did just fine. The target audience was the viewers at home.
Doesn't matter anyway. Libertarianism will never work because 90% of the population couldn't handle it
Libertarians have the same view as American Republicans on fundamental economic issues, but they are more consistent with the economic policy especially on these issues.
+Andrew Rusher Yep 💯
More consistent in all areas
libertarians have similar views on economy with conservative and republican but they also have liberal views on gender and social rights
No Republicians occasionally pretend to be free market. In fact they back as much intervention as Democrats.
They are deontological as hell and hence they are consistent. They just say "theft is bad and taxes are theft. So if we can't avoid State, we should cut them to minimum."
watching this in 2019 - where did all these smart people go? How did we devolve so much in 10 years?
Propably corruption and control from the powers that be making sure they have no competition..
to Boaz : just because the government has done things poorly in the past doesn't mean they will do everything poorly in the future ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….welfare creates dependency under the current system but we can recreate it to lead people toward work...………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..and we don't have to force people to pay for the welfare system...……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………...we can dump the income tax system and create a sales tax system so that funding of welfare is voluntary
robinsss - the objective of welfare should be restorative - training for those who are capable - for those who are less capable - subsidize what they can do - maybe answering phones or online referrals - and for those who cannot contribute die to severe disability is a small portion of the problem that can be dealt with by funding compassionate organizations. (And monitoring them to ensure they are complying to their mandate)
do you support public welfare?
robinsss - not in its present form - but yes it is the mark of a civilized society to take care of the poor and underprivileged those who are sick and need assistance. Those who are temporarily affected by downturns in their perspective careers due to downsizing or elimination of their jobs should receive “temporary” assistance and effective efforts to restore them to being productive - the present system fails miserably at these initiatives.
Obviously there would be those to fall through the cracks, but people who are free and know the meaning of prosperity will always be there to pick them back up. We should build the integrity of our country from the trust, and respect of our neighbor, not fear and distrust as we currently do.
BullSHIT
B McD people whom have much will always give...and when the majority is very prosperous, their minute contributions sums up to a massive amount of wealth through charity for the very small minority who cannot support themselves.
edit: "people [whom] have much will always give..."
@@rychei5393 It's amazing you can actually say 'bullshit' to that kind of statement.
@@leafster1337 Very small minority? in my country of the UK at the end of the 19th century where we had the biggest empire in the world, home to the industrial revolution and home to free market capitalism. The government stayed out of peoples business, there was no welfare and money was given to the poor through charity. It was found that a third of the country was in poverty. Hardly a small minority
@@leebrondum2643 are we then or now? rule of law and real capitalism must take place. thugs, corruption and, institutionalized corruption are a few ways that will cut the potential of the markets short (as it was in the past). real capitalistic competition is unable to take place in a playing field where dirty players win.
if the whole world was more free market, technologies and techniques would be more readily spread and utilized and result in more production (i think this didnt happen much in the past because of everyone trying to kill eachother but i may be wrong). im not much of a history person but im pretty sure the 19th century was more lawless and corrupt than today (not to say there isnt lawlessness and corruption today). anyways, with the near instant communication and efficiency we have today, i think we ought to set the chains off the markets to produce wealth for individuals to do with as they please. without working, there is no production of anything and i think if everyone had a little more, they would give a little more (and WAY more efficiently and effectively than how my home USA does it)
Wow. I never thought I would see something like this on television. I love John Stossele
9 years later, fired and on youtube.
Back when companies weren't scared of snowflakes
I love it how Stossel plays Devil's advocate !
I was witness to the hindrance of government assistance and how the dependency was generational. Single family homes, brokenness seemed normal.
So a broken family is better than a single family household? That is not only Disgusting! It is also goes counter to every single peer reviewed study on the subject. Let me guess you have no university education. How could I have known that? Because your thinking is stupiiiiiiiid. Let me guess you believe in the idea of a stationary unique nationalistic culture and that being monolingual is the norm rather than an abnormality?
English is not my first language. So I am sorry that you are a god fearing punny person who is so arrogant as to not help people in less fortunate situations.
Kinda like a drug addiction
Without law, there is anarchy. With anarchy, there is chaos. There is a good reason for having law. Law done properly eliminates chaos and regulates dealings between two or more people (contracts), keeping violence and oppression from occurring between two or more people. The only law that should be enforced is "Do what you will, but harm none". This is what constitutional freedom is composed of. Freedom to pursue your dreams, but not at the cost of someone else's freedom to do the same.
This is libertarinaism.
I know it's been almost a decade but i hope you've learned the correct definition of anarchy
I'm a self described libertarian. Admittedly it's mostly more that I'm a leavemealoneaterian. I left the left for that reason because it felt more like I was giving up control economically to the government. Thought conservative was my new path but realized they do the same thing and wasnt a fan of their social stances (gay marriage, weed, social programs (still supporting ss as it is now)). Looked at libertarianism and felt more at home. I love free market capitalism, but where I tend to come to issues is with welfare programs (food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, homeless outreach (better local vs state vs federal), and healthcare. There are "failures" in even charity. Like people not being able to raise the funds required for medical bills and medications and they end up dying. On top of that I always hear how the market would lower costs but not what policies need to be placed and removed to ensure this would happen (think patent abuse). Then with meds other countries not respecting our patents which drive costs up at home for medications. How would this be solved with or without government? There will always be people that slip through. But at what point will government overstep? These wont get paid without taxes or is there any other way? Like grouped insurance, but wed run into similar issues we have with our mess with insurance companies. Sure direct pay is nice but only works for those that can afford it. There are legitimate people/families that have no money left over after Bill's and food. I'm middle class and after Bill's and debt payments for school there may not be a lot left. I'm not asking for handouts for people like me, but there are legit poor in this country that once exhausted everything the free market and charities and groups had to offer are still unable to afford the basics (people with severe conditions in which they cannot work due to chronic poor health. What do we do about the people that fall through? And how to avoid paying more taxes doing so?
The plug to the gap you are looking for is personal responsibility and responsible parenthood.
Understand that poverty is the natural state of man. Ability and opportunity is maximized under freedom and rule of law, not hand outs.
@@acctsyspersonal responsibility.
I study suicide here is my example for you to solve Mr personal responsibility!
An Indonesian boy got admitted to a good university through the help of his village, he lives on an island that is a full day travel by boat and car, he comes from a village that is too poor to afford his university campus. The state pays for that. Great just like the roads for the cars, and the boat to and from the island, without the state the island would not have access to the bigger islands. That is beside the point.
COVID-19 happened, ow lovely a libertarians wet dream come true, lockdown. He gets sent home to his village.
Here comes the question for you. How can he take personal responsibility for his education and future prospects? He has 8 siblings that he shares a room with, no access to a library, so bad internet that he can show up for class 90% of the time, but is unable to ask questions or hear the answers, and even if he could, his siblings is loud around him, because they do not have the money to send those kids through school, so they are home getting "Home schooled".
What do you want the boy to do? He can not reach the main island because it requires a bigger boat than his village has access to. He can not study under those conditions, he has an enormous pressure to succeed because else the whole village would have lost everything to give him books, tutors, and more.
When a large surge in student suicide began the government lifted the lockdown on the students with the hardest conditions, the boy got back to campus and did not kill himself. The government provides him with education, food, and shelter. His village could provide 2 of those things. And where is the personal responsibility?????????????
the issue isn't taking care of everyone it is effectively and efficiently providing equal basic life standards for everyone in need....
Basically if have no empathy for others, you care little for their basic needs.
where do you thing basic needs come from?
the most basic need is right to pursue those needs which the left prevents and neocons try to monopolize every chance they get.
If they would stop devaluing money and taxing income people would be able to provide their own basic needs.
Today there are way too many healthy people not working, even though a lot of places are short staffed. Young people don't want to work for minimum wage any more. Even though it is too much to begin with. And maybe they make just as much off welfare without working at all! I think that any healthy person should have to work for welfare. Picking up trash, or community service. And it should pay less than minimum wage, to motivate people to find a real job. When I work 14 hours a day in the hot Texas sun, and I see a perfectly healthy person standing on the corner with a sign, it ticks me off! Or when I hear about friends who have been able to remain unemployed and pay the bills with a welfare check! Meanwhile, I work my ass off and have to send thousands a year to to government!
The 4th guy to speak, the last of them nailed it, we have to remember humans are inherently greedy, and you can either ignore that and depend on the govt which will always lead to corruption, dependency etc. Or we can harness the the power of human greed to push them to innovate with the promise of massive wealth and a good life for their effort which eventually creats jobs, ungodly technological advances and a overall filthy rich country, where the poor doesn't have to worry about crime, trafficking, cartels, famine, filthy neighborhoods, contaminated drinking water etc.
Poor people in America can still eat enough to survive, ask a poor child in India what hunger is and they'll tell you exactly what being poor really means
@Down with Corporate Amerika Think about it. Why is it that the "rich" don't go out of their way to help others. Why do humans compete so much in corporate rat race? Why do we feel jealous? Why do we fight? Why is it that we choose to indulge in luxury such as fancy dinner, vacations etc when that money can be donated?
Humans evolved to be inherently selfish because being selfish allowed us to survive in the wild, today it helps us to amass wealth. Generosity comes from abundance, people give when they have more than they want and that is why Americans are some of the most generous people on earth yet we never go out of our way to give because humans simply are incapable of helping complete strangers at the cost of their own comfort
Thank you.
@wrjamescom Those with disabilities already have a limited pool of job options due to the inherent limitations of the disability and employers of the jobs many of them can technically do want reliable people with their own transportation, who can work certain hours, and that is what keeps many disabled individuals out of the workplace. Not a desire to not work.
Why do people clap at everything they say. Lmao 😆
Because they're probably paid to do it :)
@@ledzeppelin1212
Those people who are answering stossels question have coworkers in the audience.
Libertarian ideas are not well known or talked about a lot so they clapped from joy to have their ideas expressed
libertarians were excited to have their views expressed on fox business
Probably, because they agree. Libertarians listening and agreeing with other Libertarians...shocking.
yeah it makes it seem cheesy. some of the ideas they express are pretty good but they're not that amazing every moment.
All systems are bound to fail, the only eternal laws are written in our hearts. This is why all faiths speak about compassion because with compassion and less greed, a society won’t need as much government
Monopolies, duopolies, even oligopolies cannot exist in a free market (for long). Predatory pricing is what people usually cite as the monopolistic advatage to keep competitors out but if you knew what happens in bankrupcy, you'd know that the failed competitors wouldn't be gone for long. Those monopolies can't sell at a loss forever, which is why they just wouldn't.
Just watched Atlas Shrugged with my 17 year old son who recommended it. That movie really made me think. I had never really given libertarian's a thought until then. I cannot say I agree with everything, but I am looking into it more.
I agree with most of the points they made, but I didn’t appreciate how everyone clapped between arguments
So when can we get a libertarian US president who can actually reach 270 in electoral votes?
We keep voting and spreading the message.
never thank god
You can vote for me 😊
Never. Lemmings like@@Shockkings0714 go out of their way to prevent it
@wrjamescom The issue isn't bums. There will be bums in any society. The issue is those who really have disabilities which prevent them from obtaining gainful employment, and single parents who can't ear enough working to cover the cost of daycare. You might see someone who claims to be disabled who you think looks like they can work, and in many instances, they can be productive individuals, but the issue is with employers who don't want to accommodate individuals with disabilities.
One of the ironies in many conversations like this one, is how hardly anyone ever mentions government's role being limited to the legitimate functions enumerated, and delegated to it by our Constitution. Most problems people have trying to figure out what government should or should not do, are clearly outlined in Article One Section Eight of the Constitution. Whatever is not among the powers mentioned, are simply not part of government's role in the United States.
Stossel is THE MAN!!
Never heard of the Cato institute absolutely agree with everything that they say and called myself a Libertarian because it is a philosophy that is the closest philosophy to the bible!! It was fir freedom that Christ has set us free
whilst i am an atheist i could see why the ,lets say "preaching" of Christ as we see in the new testament, could be close to Libertarianism. I would advise you if you want to see Penn Jillete on Libertarianism, he sums it up pretty good
I'm Atheist Libertarian
When this aired the National Debt was $12T. Only 12 years later it is $30+T. More dependency equals more Debt.
When was this filmed?
Any libertarians in here, feel free to watch my videos and comment!
Liberty above all!
Totally nailed it!
One problem with libertarians is they live in a world of statists who attack them viciously whenever the open their mouths.
When they hear someone talking sense they tend to get overly enthusiastic.
God I wish a libertarian candidate would win and fix america once and for all. Thomas Jefferson was the first libertarian we need to go back to his idea of how america should have been built from the beginning.
Libertarian argument #1: America is a rich country with low levels of poverty because they are capitalist and therefore capitalism is good.
Libertarian argument #2: The financial crisis occurred because America isn't capitalist therefore capitalism is good.
@rehwr I don't see any employers stepping up to pay your average single parent wages that can cover their cost of living and day care expenses, and I don't see employers lining up to employ disabled individuals who are limited in the tasks they can perform, often don't have their own transportation, and are usually not well enough to show up at work on a daily basis at set times. And again, the government isn't the one stopping them.
@SepherStar No we just believe that the best way to help people is to teach them how to fish, not to give them a fish!
So what's stopping people from getting dependant on private charities rather than the government?
@Impossible Complexity I didn't create unployment! Who do you think I am?
Here in Australia we have a huge number of people draining the welfare system and a huge number of employers needing workers. It's a ridiculous predicament to be in.
The fact that those companies will watch out carefully if you are abusing the system, because unlike government they don't have infinite amount of funds, which they can increase at any time they wish so. Not to mention, that government welfare is more formal, than charity, which may make some people feel bad for even thinking, that they will abuse the system.
Selfsubsistance is taxed. You cannot live without money thanks to welfare
This is where I know you're wrong. I live in the U.S. and the services here are satisfactory, both customer service and quality of product. The people I encounter who dislike the services are people who complain about everything.
I agree getting a job can be hard. However most people with graduate degrees who can't find work are people who got degrees in fields that there is no job market, or where they didn't learn actual skills or learn information with realistic market value.
Maybe more folks should consider a career in Trucking. Never enough drivers. Plenty of work, and good money as well. Many people end up passing up opportunities that happen to be in fields that are not their ideal choice, rather than there being a dearth of jobs.
Actually, Hostess hired a guy to turn the company around if it could be done. The final plan was to go into chapter 11 restructuring of debt. Everyone was on board except the unions. They were told that if they didn't work with restructuring, they were going to run the company into the ground as it wouldn't be profitable, so they would go into chapter 7 liquidation instead. AFTER being told this, they went into strike anyway...and Hostess closed their doors & filed chapter 7 as foretold.
I agree with the Libertarian views to a point, and it is with our seniors. We still have seniors that have worked hard their entire lives, and have to decide b/t buying prescriptions and food. 'NO' senior is this country should have to decide b/t buying food and prescriptions. Knowing this comment will be attacked, I know first hand there are seniors in these situations because I am an advocate of seniors. However, I do agree with most of what these people are saying. :-)
I'm disappointed nobody mentioned about UBI.
Seniors have had their entire lives to save for their future. I'm only in my 20's. Why should I be expected to give so much of my money to society that I can't put away enough for myself and my future?
Stossel was the best on tv
@affilinet I don't recall mentioning preventing anyone from doing stupid things so you will have to clarify your statement. I'm glad to hear you are a kind and charitable person but I don't think you should assume that others are as altruistic, because most people are not. As far as making sure not to depend on anyone, or more accurately, require the assistance of anyone, in reality everyone requires the assistance of someone at some point in their life, in one way or another.
Back in the day man ☺️
Stossel isn't asking them about corporate welfare and state funded capitalism. I guess they told him to avoid that question. Convenient
@affilinet You deleted your comment, but I'll answer your question anyway. If I come to you asking for food, you should evaluate the situation and do whatever you feel is right. But if I demand your food as if you owe it to me, you can and should tell me to get lost.
@SepherStar Comprehension difficulties on your part does not equate to irrationality on my part. The fact that you cannot argue your position rationally should tell you where the irrationality lies.
This is just beautiful
@rehwr I don't see how you come to that conclusion but you are free to explain. The majority of the food, product safety and environmental issues China has is either from lack of regulations or poor enforcement of regulations. People are not putting melamine in milk and recycling cooking oil extracted from sewers because of enforcement of any government regulation.
Self-subsistance is the way. Nobody does either prevent government from doing such things, so they can also do this and have their pharma business at your expense after you start to suffer the consequences. That's why they don't allow anyone going off-grid.
But then you also need perspective, if the person making the voluntary transaction would rather trade that time for that specific amount of pay to them they might not be losing, that wage will allow them to eat, to pay rent, to invest, this may be valuable and the end goal may make the transaction seem equal in their mind.
Welfare is only good for things like emergencies or life threatening situations. The government shouldn’t be giving us all of this random money that we can get from working at a job. America without welfare could be a crisis during things like natural disasters but other then that, I totally agree with the Libertarians view of welfare.
Insurance can work better in terms of national disasters.
@@zigoter2185 What if the Insurance does not find it profitable to pay?
@@TheGreatOldOak it kinda has to since it has the contract lol
Not if government enters the free market and banking at the same time. Everytime anyone needs a service, they would be just picking some loan.
@Sondre7 You should see the "John Stossel Show" on TheChannelOfLiberty. Or just search it on youtube. Other tops with a libertarian point of view.
@100CommonCents Your example of australia proves my point, stolen land, indentured servants, free labour, all those natural resources undeveloped, then taken. Good point, slavery land theft and colonialism do have a huge role to play in Americas wealth and by your words australias too. I don't recall mentioning any other countries though, western or otherwise. thank you!
The crowd needs to be quiet and let the speakers talk.
Holy crap, look at those stock prices. Amazon - $140, Dow Jones - 10,900
so apparently im a liberatarian. go figure.
Why in the world would my kid, or anyone's kid HAVE TO WORK 12 hours a day??? If you don't like your wage, get a better job.
Libertarianism and the poor
1. Large extended families, charities, religious institutions, friendly societies, can act as a safety net.
2. De-regulation, means workers can trade off degrees of safety for higher pay. They can also trade off degrees of safety with lower prices of the goods they buy.
3. If the productive aren’t taxed, then more can be invested into production which will lower prices, raising the average standard of living.
4. A move to hard money will greatly lessen inflation. Preventing the gradual rise of prices across the board. Also, closing a lot of speculative markets which create bubbles like with housing. Also, preventing the phenomena of foreign buyers buying big houses with no one living in them.
private charities and extended families have the legal power to discriminate against nearly anyone they want to discriminate against so some people receive no resources from these sources...……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………...especially the extended family that won't give any money to family members that won't conform to the culture and politics of the family...…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..you have recommended a shaky , . inconsistent safety net with giant holes that people can see from half a block away...…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
This Murdock guy is the only one who's saying stuff that isn't complete pie in the sky bullshit.
The federal government can fund a safety net without taxing ANYBODY. They can simply create the money needed by actually spending on these public programs.
+Banksta$Gangsta The programs have been failures. Why do you want to continue?
Gerald Bennett
Because people need help sometimes.
Banksta$Gangsta Crap. 50 million Americans are not incapable. Why don't they speak for themselves if they are struggling?. Its always an arrogant snot that speaks for them, Get lost
Gerald Bennett
Love you baby
@@geraldbennett7035 They make it look like failures.
Let the people achieve and rise through merit. - GOLD!
What about orphans? Handicapped, mentally unstable, people with Downs syndrom? If they don't happen to be discovered by someone doing charity(because they're often not capable of seeking it out themselves), they just die in the streets and everyone's ok with it? Guaranteed safety nets are a must in every civilized society, pr definition.
@SepherStar But, neither can the government!
The only problem with this I have is that, it's a conflict of opinions to say "government shouldn't give people money, but private people should by charity." I don't see the realistic difference between government giving money, and private people doing it. People don't get less dependent on private charity than they get from government. It's the exact same thing, it's just libertarians who have a problem with gov't doing it because of the initiation of force.
Those charities existed before and they even exist now.
In Australia today you can get food baskets from at least 3 different charities......
Can you go off-grid in Australia without getting taxed? That would be a core solution...
Damn right.
For all libertarians: remember to keep critical and don't fall into an echo chamber. In every side there will always be people with nice words. Being a fanatic libertarian is just as bad as a fanatic socialist.
I actually really needed this. I got to keep on my toes.
Yup. It needs to be said that the catch argument for our position is that you can be whatever you want to be in your local community with like-minded people, as long as you don't force others into your thing.
Yes.
@yakyakyak69 I prefer checks to to prevent companies from dumping excessive amounts of pollutants into the air I breath and the water I drink. To help to greatly reduce the chances that my food will contain harmful pathogens or non-food items. To ensure the medications I'm taking really do and contain what they say, and have minimal unanticipated side effects, and to prevent companies from becoming the exploiter you claim the government to be.
The difference is with private charity I am not being stolen from to pay for someones dependence.
@davandstudios You seem so certain about everything. How about some explanation along with your assertions and name calling and resentments?
There's no government regulations stopping private charities from doing such things now. The fact of the matter is, private charities don't have the organization nor the resources to step up to the plate and provide a consistent source of income and resources for single mothers on welfare and the disabled who currently receive disability or SSI. Do you think if there were no taxes people would be more willing to donate? Of course not. How many people donated their stimulus check?
they will never let third party enter the debates for presidential election, they don't want to air this type of stuff and have people think more
...A worker (one who provides his/her labor for a certain cost to the entrepreneur) seeks employment based on his/her skills (interview skills, social skills, pertinent job skills, etc). If the worker shows sufficient required skills to the entrepreneur, that worker is hired to provide labor to the entrepreneur to meet the needs of the entrepreneur. If you don't agree with the demands of the entrepreneur for the price you are paid, you look for another job. OR become an entrepreneur.
@rehwr The government IS providing consistent support for single mothers on welfare and those who currently receive disability and SSI. If that were to come to an end tomorrow there would be no one to step up and fill the gap and these people would linger in destitute poverty on the streets like in most countries with no government safety nets.
An entrepreneur provides products and services to the market-at-large at a cost that the market will bear. In order to continue to provide products and services to the public, the entrepreneur must make a profit. To make a profit, an entrepreneur must keep overhead costs lower than gross income. This requires stiff cost control measures which not only include looking for better wholesale prices for goods and services, but also looking for quality labor at the lowest possible cost.
If you can live selfsubsistant due to lack of taxes upon land, they would be no problem.
@SepherStar Also different people become libertarians for different reasons.Some just dont want to pay taxes i believe,some just because they are sick of the current system,others because they understand that it is the most humane system.(there is nothing wrong with a one world gov if it is based on liberty)This understanding comes with realization.You are ready for it when you are ready to understand.You have to understand what suffering group rights create IN THE WORLD to "get"libertarianism.
@rehwr The fact of the matter is, the cost of day care can easily exceed the earning ability of a single parent, and employers want to hire employees who are reliable, versatile and healthy, and frequently younger than older. The job market is very competitive and discrimination is hard to prove. It's ignorant to claim you have solutions to problems you very obviously don't understand.
@wrjamescom I think our discussion is coming to an end because there is no point in discussing anything with individuals who only want to hear themselves re-iterate their own views. If you can discuss your views more rationally and without making claims that are clearly not true, and provide a sound basis for your reasoning, people might be more receptive to you and your perspectives
Can anyone link a video on how libertarianism would work in terms of laws.
Simple. Laws have to have victims. There are still laws in a libertarian society. It's about policy not lawlessness
People could conform or go away to live off-grid.
@SepherStar Neither of those are federal issues according to the constitution. But what makes you think you need even a state government to certify medicine? The AMA is not a government org, but like the Bar association, they use government thugs to prevent competition. Start a drug certification org, similar to the various other consumer protection orgs. Let people choose to look for your certification when buying drugs, or not.
$AMZN @ 140. What a time.
@wrjamescom . I will continue with yakakyak68 because though we disagree on things, he provides a viable rationale for his argument for me to consider, and I think he is more receptive to considering the views of others, which, even if he ultimately decides he does not agree with them, indicates he has the ability to reason.
wow an actual discussion must be an old video
I'm a libertarian but I think the way they formatted this discussion is a bit odd. Surely they should have someone who disagrees and challenges their views so they can explain further.
Amazon was only 140 at that time, bitcoin was less than a dollar.
@jesnels That's what charity is for.
Damn straight
I see where Tucker Carlson got his cadence...
[[Who will rule if there's no government? ]]
Don't ask who will rule you, ask who will inspire you via leadership. Do you seek a ruler?
Very few poor people are on welfare. Since welfare reform in 1996, only about 25% of children in poverty are on welfare. Libertarians should basically declare victory on this point!
Good lord, Boaz just dropped the hammer on the welfare state!
@100CommonCents if you don't grasp the fundamental value of having land, and the natural resources contained in it in the real world, I don't think you can lecture me on the free market, economics or generation of wealth. I'm left with the impression that I need to look elsewhere for elucidation on these topics. Good day sir!
I agree with this but it should mean cutting corporate welfare, tax breaks subsidies etc as well ....also, credit is a different form of welfare propped up by the banks that is controlled/ propped up by government.
lol @ the one chick in the middle making a "Mckayla Maroney" face. haha
lotta clapping in this episode, liberty lovers!
@100CommonCents I most assuredly am not kidding about the statement of fact that I posted. Driving cars with electric windows and the existence of windows as a computer program doesn't have any relevance to the factors that made the U.S. rich, stolen land and slave labour during the most critical stages of this country. My statement doesn't even have anything to do with the powers given a state or choice. it has to do with the real reasons behind the wealth of America. Thank you.
@SepherStar You seem to thing that because people should help the needy, that people should rob others to help the needy. Charity is given freely. That taken by force if robbery. No matter what the cause, it's wrong. And government has no incentive to operate a charity properly, and no constitutional authority to operate one at all.
What do Libertarians think about public funds being given to police, fire fighters, etc?
Varies across ideologies involved
Got to keep in mind there's many different ideologies within the Libertarian party. Within them there is:
1. Classical Liberal Libertarian: This is the most traditional form of libertarianism, rooted in classical liberalism, emphasizing limited government, individual liberties, and free markets. Classical liberal libertarians believe in minimal state intervention in economic and social affairs.
2. Minarchism: Minarchists are a subset of libertarianism who advocate for a minimalist or night-watchman state. They believe that the government's role should be strictly limited to protecting individual rights, enforcing contracts, and providing a legal framework for society.
3. Anarcho-Capitalism: Anarcho-capitalists take libertarianism to its extreme, advocating for the complete elimination of the state and the establishment of a society based on voluntary interactions, private property, and free markets. They believe that all government functions can be provided through voluntary, market-based solutions.
4. Geo-Libertarianism: Geo-libertarians believe in the principle of "Georgism," which posits that natural resources and land should be collectively owned by the community, with revenue generated through the leasing of land or taxing natural resources. This system aims to eliminate economic rent and promote more equal distribution of wealth.
5. Liberal libertarians blend libertarian principles with a focus on social liberalism. They advocate for individual freedoms, free markets, limited government, and support progressive social policies, such as LGBTQ+ rights and environmental protection.
6. Left-Libertarianism: Left libertarians, also known as libertarian socialists, combine libertarian principles with a focus on social justice and equality. They reject hierarchies, oppose corporate power, and emphasize worker self-management. Left libertarians may support worker cooperatives and community-based ownership structures.
7. Conservative Libertarian: Conservative libertarians combine libertarian principles with traditional conservative values. They emphasize limited government, free markets, individual liberties, and often hold socially conservative views on issues like abortion and marriage.
8. Libertarian Feminism: Libertarian feminists advocate for women's rights and gender equality within a libertarian framework. They seek to address gender disparities without relying on government intervention, promoting voluntary solutions and individual empowerment.
9. Agorism: Agorists believe in achieving a free society by engaging in counter-economic activities. Counter-economics involve operating outside of government regulations and the traditional economy to undermine state control and gradually reduce the state's power.
10. Technolibertarianism: Technolibertarians focus on the intersection of libertarian principles and technology. They emphasize the importance of digital privacy, data ownership, and decentralization, often supporting cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.
11. Market Anarchism: Market anarchists, similar to anarcho-capitalists, argue for the abolition of the state but may differ in their views on the legitimacy of property rights or how goods and services should be organized in a stateless society.
12. Voluntaryism: Voluntaryists advocate for a society based on voluntary interactions, where all relationships and exchanges are free of coercion and aggression. They oppose any form of institutionalized violence, including the state.
13. Christian Libertarianism: Christian libertarians combine libertarian principles with Christian ethics and beliefs. They argue that individual freedom and self-ownership align with Christian teachings of love, compassion, and free will.
14. Neolibertarianism: Neolibertarians focus on applying libertarian principles to modern issues and challenges, often embracing pragmatism and incremental change. They may support market-based solutions to address environmental concerns, healthcare, and education.
15. Green Libertarianism: Green libertarians merge libertarian principles with environmental concerns. They advocate for the protection of the environment through private property rights, market-based incentives, and voluntary conservation efforts.
16. Paleolibertarianism: Paleolibertarians emphasize cultural and social conservatism while adhering to libertarian principles of limited government and individual liberties. They may be critical of globalization and mass immigration.
17. Libertarian Transhumanism: Libertarian transhumanists believe in using technology to enhance human capabilities and promote individual freedom, often advocating for the abolition of biological aging and embracing the potential of emerging technologies.
18. Objectivist Libertarianism: As a subset of Objectivism, Objectivist libertarians adhere specifically to the ideas of Ayn Rand, emphasizing rational self-interest, individual rights, and laissez-faire capitalism.
19. Secular Libertarianism: Secular libertarians focus on the separation of church and state, advocating for a society that respects religious freedom while maintaining a secular government.
20. National Libertarianism: National libertarians prioritize national sovereignty, limited government, and individual liberties within the context of a nation-state. They may be critical of international agreements and global governance.
21. Hoppian Libertarianism: Hoppian libertarians, influenced by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, advocate for the establishment of a private law society, where legal disputes are resolved through private law and property rights.
22. Libertarian Municipalism: Libertarian municipalists advocate for local, decentralized governance, where communities manage their affairs through direct democratic processes, minimizing the role of central governments.
23.Left-Libertarian Capitalism: Left-libertarian capitalists believe in free-market capitalism while also supporting social justice and egalitarian principles. They may advocate for safety nets, workers' rights, and voluntary wealth redistribution.
24. Libertarian Humanism: Libertarian humanists prioritize human well-being and flourishing, believing that individual freedoms and a laissez-faire economy are conducive to human progress and happiness.
25. Rationalist Libertarianism: Rationalist libertarians emphasize the use of reason and evidence-based decision-making in shaping policies and governance.
26. Ethical Libertarianism: Ethical libertarians prioritize moral and ethical considerations in shaping their libertarian beliefs, aiming to create a just and compassionate society based on voluntary cooperation.
27. Tribalism: Tribalists emphasize the importance of small, close-knit communities with shared values and voluntary associations, while opposing centralized authority.
28. Cultural Libertarianism: Cultural libertarians prioritize cultural freedom and oppose state intervention in cultural matters, advocating for the protection of individual expression and diversity.
29. Constitutional Libertarianism: Constitutional libertarians emphasize the importance of adhering to a strict interpretation of the constitution and limiting government powers to protect individual rights.
30. Common Law Libertarianism: Common law libertarians propose resolving legal disputes through common law principles and private arbitration, with minimal reliance on government courts.
31. Pragmatic Libertarianism: Pragmatic libertarians prioritize achieving incremental change and practical policy solutions that align with libertarian principles.
32. Social Market Economy: Social market economists advocate for a mixed economic system with free markets and limited government intervention to address social concerns.
33. Libertarian Municipal Socialism: Libertarian municipal socialists advocate for localized, self-governing municipalities with collective ownership and democratic control over resources and services.
34. Libertarian Pluralism: Libertarian pluralists celebrate diverse approaches to achieving liberty and may advocate for the coexistence of various libertarian systems or strategies.
35. Libertarian Traditionalism: Libertarian traditionalists blend libertarian principles with a reverence for cultural and societal traditions, seeking to preserve values and practices without state coercion.
36. Intersectional Libertarianism: Intersectional libertarians emphasize the interconnectedness of various social issues and advocate for addressing them within a libertarian framework that respects individual rights and diversity.
37. Libertarian Education: Advocates of libertarian education prioritize educational systems that emphasize individual empowerment, critical thinking, and minimal government interference.
38. Participatory Economics: Participatory economists advocate for an economic system based on democratic planning and cooperative decision-making, seeking to avoid both central planning and market exploitation.
39. Democratic Libertarianism: Democratic libertarians seek to combine libertarian principles with democratic decision-making processes to achieve a society that upholds individual rights and popular sovereignty.
40. Cooperative Capitalism: Cooperative capitalists support an economic system where businesses and enterprises are owned and operated cooperatively by workers, aiming to address income inequality and promote worker self-management.
There's many more that can explain the subgroups in the party
@fender7802 This country still has enormous natural and manufactured wealth. I think that it's mostly our government which is in debt.
Are they really? How are they so incompetent?
Right off the bat he strawmans the welfare case. NOBODY-liberal or conservative wants to just give money to people that don't work hard. It is about the people who get old, injured, sick, or laid off. That is where the safety net should be constructed.
The myth of the lazy person collecting welfare. People who have no idea how "welfare" works.
The most advanced nations had centralized government. The guy from Cato is blatantly ignoring that point saying 'there were no rich nations 2,000 years ago'. History shows that all of the richest most developed nations had strong central governments, collected taxes, had police and military to promote law and order, etc.
I'd love to see the US end public schools tomorrow and have the libertarians explain why we start falling further behind Europe and China in education.