As an oilers fan we didn’t even have a team, pickard was literally a lone player that whole game the boys need to pick it up when we actually have a good goalie performance
Yeah, Pickard is the only reason that game wasn't a blow-out. The Oilers I saw last night were the start of the season Oilers, not the ones who vaulted from the basement into a legit contender team afterwards.
As an Oilers fan, I totally agree. Vancouver wanted it more in the final 40 minutes and it showed. The guys on the power play were trying to be too cute and their passes were getting picked off so easily. It's not on Bouch, it's on everybody except Pickard. There's no reason they couldn't have won this game other than they didn't try to win, and the Canucks did.
That was Canucks a lot of the last 2 games. They looked way better game 5. Both teams need to step it up if they want to make it past the Stars or Avalanche.
It makes me upset. For the first time in forever we finally had a goalie playing lights out and ready to steal a game (series?) for us. And the rest of the team came out looking like that
Series of the 2024 postseason as of right now. Hands down. And we've had a BUNCH of great series' thus far. Possibly one of the most exciting playoff runs we've had in recent memory.
this is why Bouchard is only making huge plays from the Blue line in...and that's it. He is too scared to even go into the boards to retrieve and then make a good play...let alone the give away from the net.
Aman has a long stick and deflected some pucks out to danger in his own zone too. Long sticks seems to be the best weapon in this playoffs for the Canucks, especially on defence.
He sucks under pressure, how tired are you playing a 60 minute hockey game every 2 days lol these are professional athletes dude should not be tired also last game he made a brutal turnover in our end that resulted in a goal aswell
@@sicklifedesigns Forreal these are pros, Yes they are human but there's a reason they are in that position and many are not. They are expected to be the best every time. This is why they get paid.
I find it funny when both canucks players who were ex leafs were scratched and they play their best playoff game so far. Also worth noting that no one is talking about is how hard jt mill is shutting down mcdavid
The easiest thing to do is shut a top player down if you are given that assignment. It does make it hard for you to get involved in your own offense. Mcdavid isn't Gretzgy.
@@toasty862 Oh god, more cheer leaders. At this point WG had how many cups? Yes of course WG wasn't fast. HE didn't have an amazing shot either, but he delivered. At this point in WGs career he had 4 stanley cups.. actually he did it in 7, Conner has been not winning it for 9 years going on 10. at 9 years, WG came to LA and inspired thousands to play Hockey in California. Fuck, Rinks would make rules that nobody could wear 99 because every kid wanted to wear that number. Mcdavid, even if he was as much of a generational talent as WG, will never have the impact WG did, Get over it. This is too easy superfan
Yep, they finally figured out that it doesn't pay to be passive. If they had only played that way on the PK from game 1 of the series, they would be sitting at home right now waiting for their next opponent
The oilers powerplay last night was just brutal to watch. Their refusal to shoot and move around is just frustrating. You forget that they're even on a PP
@@NoCluYT I think they're so used to getting really good looks so they were looking for plays that weren't there. Probably needed to settle for more Bouche bombs and let Hyman try to tip/get the rebound.
Ekholm is the steadiest D the Oilers have. Bouchard is good offensively, but prone to gaffs and while Darnell Nurse is a physical presence, he’s wildly inconsistent at both ends. The others are borderline NHLers. The Oilers get by because they have McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH as a solid 2 way centre and a couple of wingers who can finish. The problem is that they spent so much on their top players that they didn’t have enough for a veteran goalie or any depth. Shutdown their top 2 players and it’s game, set, match. But because McDavid and Draisaitl are so good, they’re a contender.
When you come with statements like this "problem is that they spent so much on their top players that they didn’t have enough for a veteran goalie or any depth" you know you have zero knowledge of the Oilers roster. Know where the moneys spent? On Nurse, and a goalie who will never get back to the NHL. Our forwards are signed to great deals (for now, some due for new contracts). Oilers are not Toronto, who spent 40 million on 4 forwards.
The Zadorov Kane back and fourth, both teams making great adjustments throwing haymakers and counters, the energy of both barns. As a Canucks fan it’s amazing to see two elite teams going at it. Can’t wait for Game 6.
The Coilers are not elite. They have 3 elite regular season players and that’s it. The ‘big’ three for the Coilers logged 23-23-20min TOC (respectively), dash 2 each and combined for 1 assist in the 3-2 loss. And unless they score on the PP - they had plenty of opportunities (oh fer 5) - they are far from being considered elite.
@@jasondousett3620 I watched the game too I know these stats as well they were still considered as elite and a cup contender because of those “regular season players” I’m just happy that the Canucks are finally getting the recognition of being a high level team. Also Go Hawks!
@@jasondousett3620 Skating leaders for points #1drai #2mcdavid #3 Bouchard #4trochek #5makar Skating leaders for goals #1hyman #2nichuchskin #3 drain #4 boeser #5johnston How can you say that they are "elite regular season players" when they have the most players in the top 5 for points and goals? Clearly elite playoff players too just they are top heavy with little depth
@@jasondousett3620 The irony of saying that the Oilers only rely on three players and then pointing out that none of those three scored the two goals the Oilers had last night.
I grew up in Edmonton watching Gretzky. I really want the Oilers to win but it's not gonna happen when they are just too passive. The checking line(s) showed a lot of grit and determination. Stars should stop looking for the pretty play. This is playoffs. New deal. Gotta have that tenacity. Trade Nurse and move Bouchard to offense. Get 2 solid defensemen, keep Pickard in net and they will get to the top. Good videos once again...
I'm an Oilers fan and grew up in the 80s watching Gretzky as well. Lived in River Ridge where Gretzky and Yari Kuri lived and there would be line ups at Halloween when they were giving out candy. That said I agree with Nurse being a liability but no one will take that contract. It's an ugly, bloated contract that should have never been made.
Also I thought Pickard should have had that. He wasn't set. He was just casually standing there expecting bouchard to carry it out. You have to ready for turnovers.
It's not Makar, it's their overall system. They're like the Oilers but with more depth and better goaltending, so they can "afford" to make risky offensive plays.
The avg fan likes to think defense is only the dmans responsibility when in fact the forwards need to play defense as well. Team defense is what wins championships, you can have the best d men in the game but if you got a bunch of offensive forwards on the same line they getting scored on a ton.
Good post, i appreciate you being fair and not trashing . I like Bouchard, but everything you said is accurate. Been a frustrating series. Vancouver is playing them well.
If you wait until the forecheck is in range to stick check you, when you are the lone Oiler back, then you have failed to move the puck when you needed to. It's possible that the other Oilers didn't get open fast enough to give him a good target to pass to, but if that's the case, Bouchard either needed to skate with it sooner or just get the puck out of the zone. Even icing it is better than waiting until you're stuck in a double team down by your own goal line.
Vancouver got lucky in game 1 it's Oilers silly gaffs that are making meals for the Canucks they should have lost yesterday also this is easily a 5 1 series Oilers wins, like the absurd real estate prices the Canucks have found away to hang around abit to my annoyance 😆
@@archimedes2261 the oilers were completely outplayed in the second and third period of game 5. I don’t think they deserved to have a chance to win at all. Pickard was the only person keeping it alive.
Gotta say I love how both these teams are playing. High quality hockey. I stopped watching after the New Jersey Devils era of hook, hold and neutral zone constipation.
...constipation. So succinct.Thanks to Jacques and his boring game. I'm glad that garbage is over with. In today's game Jacques wouldn't have a clue with an average offensive team.
Coach has to make some adjustments. Vancouver had our # all night last night with our breakout & powerplay. This happened with Woodcroft last year. Getting OUT COACHED.
Ya this next game is a huge test for Knoblauch. They made some amazing adjustments, especially on the PK. We need something to carry us in the next game, maybe it's minor tweaks but something needs to be tweaked. These games have mostly been coinflips and I don't want to take 2 coinflips to decide the series here, can't do it. Need an advantage somewhere.
Josh Manson makes me feel the same way for Colorado.Not as much an offensive treath as Bouchard he can still sometimes dangle his way and provide his share of offense.But defensively its a roller coaster every time he touches the puck as you never ever know what will happen next hahaha.
I wouldnt even call this an off night. Bouchard has been a powerhouse offensive defenseman for us for quite a while but he's always been a defensive liability. That's why he's paired with a strong defensive player like Ekholm. Bouchard constantly gets caught looking two passes ahead and has big defensive fumbles like this all the time because of this. You can see it with how much he tries to slow down the play in our end consistently.
@toedrag-release He does it in the offensive zone on the blueline a lot too. He'll be looking for where he plans to play it before receiving it and will end up misplaying or missing the puck coming towards him. Those just aren't as punishing as the defensive zone ones. Don't get me wrong, I love what he provides offensively, but he does make these types of mistakes pretty regularly. I also don't believe he's the reason we lost that game by any means. I think we lost that game because our powerplay couldn't adjust to them changing their penalty kill style to be more aggressive.
@@karaokepanda8602 no I agree, he makes risky plays that he just doesn't have the talent to pull off. In fact I might even be inclined to say Nurse has done a better job defensively than Bouchard has this series. Hot take I know but I see bouch cause alot more turnovers and super risky ones at that than nurse🤷
bouch giveth and bouch taketh away. highs and lows of being a sports fan. vancouver played very well, probably their best game, and edmonton played like the first game. Pickard was good, onto the next one.
As an Oilers fan Bouchard is my most hated player on the team constant turnovers every night! First power play of the night he gave away the puck two times and gave Vancouver two scoring opportunities.
It’s amazing to see the salaries that these guys are making and yet make fundamental mistakes we learned not to make as peewee hockey players. For example, never come out in front of your own net with the puck like Bouchard did. He should have known better. But all through the playoffs we are seeing so many fundamental rules being broken.
Oiler fans are well aware of his defensive liabilities. He more than offsets with his offensive upside. He's like Karlson, or OEL. Both guys took criticisms like that all their careers.
I've been a Bouchard critic for a long time. But this year his defensive game has improved. Within the playoffs, horrendous gaffe aside, his defensive game at times has been borderline #1 Dman tier. He needs to be more consistent for sure, but if next year his defensive stats take another step, I think he'll develop to be a bonafide #1 D who gets a $9.5M contract
If Bouchard stays around a ppg next year, he can easily get 9 million or more. With Draisaitl more than likely getting 13-14 million on his next deal and McDavid 15 million or more on his. There is a lot of money getting tied up in those 3 over the next couple years
I agreed, it's not all Bouchards fault that lost the game. It is the fact that Edmonton does not have a cohesive TEAM. They have sporadic generous plays, mostly from one player. Conner McDavid. If you want to win the Stanley Cup, you can't just stand around waiting for the plays to develop by one person. Everyone needs to generate plays and passes to the open teammates.
Why don’t you talk about Nurse’s poor play on the last goal? He was at stick’s length from the Vancouver player, and for some strange reason, he drifts away from that player giving him more time and space to shoot at the net.
Out of 9 games since the start of the season, Oilers have won 2, and were outscored overall by a hefty margin. And of those 2....one went to OT, and the other was VERY close right to the end. Someone please explain to me how the Oilers are better? perfect example of how the collective ego restricts fundamental logic from the human brain.
Because the regular season doesn't really matter much when it comes to playoffs and is virtually irrelevant. We've seen teams go undefeated against another team during reg season only to lose in the playoffs against that team. Jets/aves this year, Boston/ Florida last year, Edmonton/Vegas last year (3:1). During the playoffs other than game 5. Edmonton has outshot Vancouver every game, had more puck possession every game had more offensive zone time every game. They outplayed Vancouver basically every game but that doesn't matter when you have a pylon in net. Game 5 Vancouver was dominant, but it was the only game so far where they looked like the genuine better team. I think it was game 3 were Edmonton was basically as dominant out shooting by a large margin but Skinner let in a weak goal. Even Vancouver fans were saying "we didn't deserve to win tonight" which is what Edmonton fans would have said had Edmonton won game 5. Imagine if Pickard was in net for the whole series and played as good as he did game 5. This series would likely have been over with Edmonton taking the series. I understand the counter is "well if we had Demko" and that maybe true but it would be a elite level goaltender vs a backup. Edmonton's Achilles heel is their goaltending.
@@toedrag-release have you ever heard the phrase "the proof is in the pudding"? one can boast of the quality ingredients all one wants ... it's the result that matters.
@@douggarden sure but the thing is you're conflating regular season wins with playoffs. Results matter right? So when the Jets went 4:0 against Colorado that must mean they have the better team right? Except in the playoffs the Jets wom one game. Well are they still the better team because they have a 5:4 record against aves? During the regular season yes but during the playoffs, no. So far it's been van wins1 Edmonton wins 1 van wins one Edmonton wins 1. And most the Vancouver games (game 5 excluded) Edmontons goaltender let them down with soft goals in. Oilers had More shots, more possession, more offensive zone time, thud is the tell tale signs of the more dominant team. Ask yourself this had Edmonton scored the last goal on Vancouver in game 5 making the series 3:2 Edmonton would you say they were the better team that game because they won and they got the results aka a big W despite being dominated all game long? I highly doubt it. You'd say you got robbed.
These teams like Edmonton and Carolina and Toronto keep trying to win the Cup with big offense, limited or no physical toughness, and mid goaltending. That’s a regular season strategy, it doesn’t get you through the playoffs. Like Carolina should take half their cap space and build themselves a checking/shutdown line.
Carolina is quite literally one of the top defensive and 5v5 teams in the league there main post season issue has been lack of scoring and special teams
yeah goaltending is always the story on any successful team. last year it was a resurgent bobrovski, and an amazing performance by backup goalie hill in vegas. this year its ottingers consistency, shesterkin winning games, and silovs shocking rookie performance
the canucks have been making this same mistake for generations. this year it looks like they have finally learned and gotten more toughness and some good defense
@@jameson1239That defense works in a one-time regular season matchup, plus having the puck all the time inflates the defensive numbers. But there’s no physical presence, they’re all tactics, that gets figured out in a seven-game series. I mean you don’t have to goon it up out there but they can get shoved around. You have to be more well-rounded than that to win the Cup. I’m a Lightning fan and Carolina reminds me of the Bolts circa 2018. Great regular season team but don’t have what it takes to run the gauntlet. They needed that Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow shutdown line to make the jump and Carolina needs that too.
Oilers fan here. I am confident we're not a cup winning team. We have no depth at all. We picked up Corey friggin Perry who skates like a senior citizen out there, and our BIG MOVE was f*ckin Adam Henrique???!?!?!? WTF kind of big move is that? The guy sucks. Goaltending is failing us again, bottom 4 defense horrible, bottom 6 forwards useless. Without powerplay we would have already been eliminated. I'm sick of the same old shit. Even if we "have a better team on paper" than the canucks (I personally don't agree, just paraphrasing), if we play without any heart, we won't beat anyone. Canucks played HARD. We were pussies.
As a neutral, it's difficult to understand how the Oilers don't address their goal-tending frailties year upon year, its not like it's a tactical nuance but bloody obvious!! It would be criminal to waste McDavids talent for the sake of a few good buys.
@@russell-di8js Yes it's very frustrating to see the same show on repeat every year. We finally pick up ekholm and he damn near saves our D core, but he can't do it alone. Then we keep hoping that Stu will become Brodeur but he just isnt' that guy. The lack of depth drives me nuts.
Not an Oilers fan but you nailed it and summed up Edmonton right there. I feel your pain; Holland has not put a good product out there, at least for the postseason.
@@jasondousett3620 The nurse contract absolutely kills me every time I see him flub the puck. I know every team has at least one contract they're not happy with ,but $9.25mill for a 2nd/3rd string D man is absolutely disgusting and has held us back from adding more real depth
If not for Pickard, that game would've been 6-2. Absolutely embarrassing display after the 1st period. I would be hiding my face walking around town if I were on that team.
I've been saying it for years, I said it before the season started, I said it during the season and I said it before the playoffs started: Edmonton have no depth and are defensively non existent. They are PP merchants who lean on McDrai to win games for them ALL THE TIME. If either one of those guys want to win a cup they need to leave the Oilers. They got lucky with the Kings because they were gifted powerplays but now that they aren't they are faltering HARD.
For the first time in the series, the Oilers were outplayed, and not by little. In the 3rd period, Oilers had 0 real scoring chances. It was only the Nucks pushing. And all 3 goals against are avoidable. Pickard has to make the save on Soucy. The 2nd is on Bouchard, but there was plenty of sloppy defense before. The Miller goal, it`s a faceoff with less than one minute in the Vancouver zone, lost by Drai and then the Oilers kinda had it but gave it away. That win was well earned by the Nucks, they outworked the Oilers. Still, Vancouvers goals are easy to avoid. Last years Vegas team would have won that game 2:1.
Bouchard might as well had his eyes closed all day .. he gave the puck away 50 percent of the time. .. Oilers weren't physical and weren't skating they let Picard put to dry!
Bouchard is good at scoring and getting points on the powerplay but as a defensemen that doesn't relate well in other teams, his defensive liabilty would hurt more than his offensive skills... with a diff team, he would be lucky to get 10 goals and 40 assists instead of 82 points because he wouldn't have a Draisaitl and McDavid with him on the powerplay
Let the rebuild begin! Dri gone, McD to soon follow. We cant risk getting nothing for these players. They have already written this series off as a team. They do not deserve to move on. Heart beats talent, when your talent has no heart.
I remember them saying cup or bust well you always bust and you will continue to bust on any team you go to if you play like that. As a Oiler fan how in the hell do you players think how we feel.
canucks fan at that game - well played by both teams but i will say the reffing was AWFUL - that call on Petty was so unreal i’m still in awe - canucks grinded and deserved that win tho
Ain’t no one saying no Bouchard slander. He serves up pizzas more often than not, and no one says anything about it. Not, the players, coaches , gm. No One. He’s not the only one though, all the top guys do it as well and so do our bottom 6. I think management are too afraid to call out our top players and that is why this team will not win a cup (unless they just out score their problems, highly unlikely). It’s sad because they have the personel to make deep runs every year if they play the right way but for some reason any coach who has been brought in never addresses this. Also their physicality in the playoffs is pathetic.
as much as ive enjoyed this series, its been amazing but i cant help but think how good it could have been if these refs actually knew how to do their job. That missed call on zadorov holding kane super blatantly, then kane ends up with a slash THEN the refs call a charging on a stationary petterson. I think that barely 2 minute stretch sums up how much the refs have ruined this series
@@gergnotsloh oh no a old delusional loser not understanding i complained about the reffing for both sides. if you dont get that you arent a hockey fan🤣
@@Lite-8it wasn't absurd it' was textbook charging. You cannot leave your feet to make a hit, and he hit the Edmonton player's head. There's a reason you cannot jump for hits whether it's a reverse hit or any other kind of hit.
@@gergnotsloh Im not saying this as a oilers fan. im saying it as a hockey fan. theres been just as many bad calls or non calls against both teams. If there isnt a standard for penalties its fixing not reffing. It ruins the entertainment of the series, its that simple. ill explain again to see if it gets through that thick skull. refs didnt call something that should be called, they then called something that probably shouldnt be called by the way they have been reffing ( hence standard ) THEN they continue to ruin the game by making that call on petterson, which if you didnt know is a vancouver player. I have no issue with the outcome of the game. I think everybody watching can agree the refs suck, but you arent a hockey fan if you think its tilted one way more than the other
Oilers panicked early in the series and played their top guys too much in response. There's a game every two nights and now they're slowing down because of it. Have to out-think their opponents at this point because I'm not sure they can out-work them.
Bouchard has given us a win, and taking one away.... but honestly the oilers did not deserve that game at any point. These guys have it in them to win, but will they wake up?
As an Oiler fan, if it wasn’t for Picks it could’ve been a real ugly blowout..nucks earned it. So crazy it was still tied, feeling like OT for like a period and a half..is the only positive for the Oil..0-5 on the pp..Canucks 0-4 very weird!
Right now, I feel he is more of a liability than an asset. If the Oilers can trade him and get a good defensive defenseman, I would do that trade in a heartbeat. What good is he if he can cost you a game on any given night. Give me consistency, not flashes.
Boy this attitude about the Bouch and Skinner is going to lead to bad coaching and Holland decisions without them we are not going to be the winners against and above the Canucks!
It’s so obvious to me that Woodcroft would be a better coach right now than Knoblauch. Knoblauch panicked in game 2 and 3 and played McDraisaitl almost literally half the game’s each and now they look drained lol. Combine those huge minutes that even the top D pairs in the league RARELY hit with the physicality Vancouver is playing with and you’re gonna have some hurting bodies and slow moving feet.
Why don't you do a video on how TNT and ESPN are cheerleaders for the Oilers? Its pitiful and totally unprofessional. Its lke the old New york Yankees and the media. ITs brutal. The Oilers win a 7 game series in overtime and they were the super human best team between the 2 teams. Lame.
Rick Tocchet was in the studio with those TNT cheerleaders last year. The only guy besides Wayne that wasn't just blindly patting the Oilers on the back and calling them the Stanley cup champions from the first round on. Its awesome that he stands in their way now.
Oilers fans are beginning to wonder if Bouchard has some sort of mental issue,some games he's great but too many he looks lost and doesn't know what to do,like continually passing off the puck on the PP..1 shot on 5 PP's last night..he's a liability!!!
As a die hard oiler fan... I hope Bouchards next contract is in Columbus. Hes absolutely awful. He doesnt do ANYTHING aside from put up points. he had 71 hits ALL SEASON. He has 3 or 4 own zone turn overs a game and is as soft as toilet paper in the corners. I cant cheer the offense until the defense improves
Pickard was playing on an island for most of the 2nd and all of the 3rd. Boys got out worked.
As an oilers fan we didn’t even have a team, pickard was literally a lone player that whole game the boys need to pick it up when we actually have a good goalie performance
you have a good goalie there... this is from an objective Vancouver fan
Yeah, Pickard is the only reason that game wasn't a blow-out. The Oilers I saw last night were the start of the season Oilers, not the ones who vaulted from the basement into a legit contender team afterwards.
As an Oilers fan, I totally agree. Vancouver wanted it more in the final 40 minutes and it showed. The guys on the power play were trying to be too cute and their passes were getting picked off so easily. It's not on Bouch, it's on everybody except Pickard. There's no reason they couldn't have won this game other than they didn't try to win, and the Canucks did.
That was Canucks a lot of the last 2 games. They looked way better game 5. Both teams need to step it up if they want to make it past the Stars or Avalanche.
It makes me upset. For the first time in forever we finally had a goalie playing lights out and ready to steal a game (series?) for us. And the rest of the team came out looking like that
Series of the 2024 postseason as of right now. Hands down. And we've had a BUNCH of great series' thus far. Possibly one of the most exciting playoff runs we've had in recent memory.
this is why Bouchard is only making huge plays from the Blue line in...and that's it. He is too scared to even go into the boards to retrieve and then make a good play...let alone the give away from the net.
He made a terrible giveaway that led to a goal in the game before aswell
@@sicklifedesignsBouch has been doing that his whole career.Nothing new there.
Gotta credit Aman for getting his stick in there to create the turnover. And the nucks brought it last night. 💥
Best non credited assist of this series
Aman has a long stick and deflected some pucks out to danger in his own zone too. Long sticks seems to be the best weapon in this playoffs for the Canucks, especially on defence.
You also gotta give Canucks credit for working so hard on the forecheck for that one
was a waste of what was probably the best game of Pickard's career so far
Oilers didn’t win because Cole was held to no goals.
As an Oilers fan your comment made me laugh.
That is hilarious! 10 out of 10.
I’m assuming Bouchard is probably tired. Edmonton has been playing all of their top guys too much.
Cause that's all they have..
They are hoping 4 players will carry the team.. lol
GO CANUCKS GO!!
I mean they have to. The games have been close. They have all their eggs on one line.
This game they played their bottom lines alot more
He sucks under pressure, how tired are you playing a 60 minute hockey game every 2 days lol these are professional athletes dude should not be tired also last game he made a brutal turnover in our end that resulted in a goal aswell
@@sicklifedesigns Forreal these are pros, Yes they are human but there's a reason they are in that position and many are not. They are expected to be the best every time. This is why they get paid.
I find it funny when both canucks players who were ex leafs were scratched and they play their best playoff game so far. Also worth noting that no one is talking about is how hard jt mill is shutting down mcdavid
The easiest thing to do is shut a top player down if you are given that assignment. It does make it hard for you to get involved in your own offense. Mcdavid isn't Gretzgy.
@@fastj1962the top player not a top player. If it’s the easiest thing to do why does every single team struggle with it
Shutting down top players and potting game winners... like a walk in the park
@@fastj1962 McDavid isn't Gretzky. lol no he's just faster and has a better shot. Easy.
@@toasty862 Oh god, more cheer leaders. At this point WG had how many cups? Yes of course WG wasn't fast. HE didn't have an amazing shot either, but he delivered. At this point in WGs career he had 4 stanley cups.. actually he did it in 7, Conner has been not winning it for 9 years going on 10.
at 9 years, WG came to LA and inspired thousands to play Hockey in California. Fuck, Rinks would make rules that nobody could wear 99 because every kid wanted to wear that number. Mcdavid, even if he was as much of a generational talent as WG, will never have the impact WG did, Get over it. This is too easy superfan
The Canucks pk was the backbreaker yesterday. So aggressive. The Oilers didn't know what to do with it
Yep, they finally figured out that it doesn't pay to be passive. If they had only played that way on the PK from game 1 of the series, they would be sitting at home right now waiting for their next opponent
The oilers powerplay last night was just brutal to watch. Their refusal to shoot and move around is just frustrating. You forget that they're even on a PP
@@NoCluYT I think they're so used to getting really good looks so they were looking for plays that weren't there. Probably needed to settle for more Bouche bombs and let Hyman try to tip/get the rebound.
Yeah I think that demoralized them when they didn't score on 5pp and energized the Nux.
Ekholm is the steadiest D the Oilers have. Bouchard is good offensively, but prone to gaffs and while Darnell Nurse is a physical presence, he’s wildly inconsistent at both ends. The others are borderline NHLers. The Oilers get by because they have McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH as a solid 2 way centre and a couple of wingers who can finish. The problem is that they spent so much on their top players that they didn’t have enough for a veteran goalie or any depth. Shutdown their top 2 players and it’s game, set, match. But because McDavid and Draisaitl are so good, they’re a contender.
as a canucks fan, i feel like they are actually better than what you’re making them out to be but I see where ur coming from.
When you come with statements like this "problem is that they spent so much on their top players that they didn’t have enough for a veteran goalie or any depth" you know you have zero knowledge of the Oilers roster. Know where the moneys spent? On Nurse, and a goalie who will never get back to the NHL. Our forwards are signed to great deals (for now, some due for new contracts). Oilers are not Toronto, who spent 40 million on 4 forwards.
The Zadorov Kane back and fourth, both teams making great adjustments throwing haymakers and counters, the energy of both barns. As a Canucks fan it’s amazing to see two elite teams going at it. Can’t wait for Game 6.
The Coilers are not elite. They have 3 elite regular season players and that’s it. The ‘big’ three for the Coilers logged 23-23-20min TOC (respectively), dash 2 each and combined for 1 assist in the 3-2 loss. And unless they score on the PP - they had plenty of opportunities (oh fer 5) - they are far from being considered elite.
@@jasondousett3620 I watched the game too I know these stats as well they were still considered as elite and a cup contender because of those “regular season players” I’m just happy that the Canucks are finally getting the recognition of being a high level team. Also Go Hawks!
@@humzashafi1492 Yes I do agree with you.
Haha Go Hawks!!
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Skating leaders for points
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Skating leaders for goals
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How can you say that they are "elite regular season players" when they have the most players in the top 5 for points and goals? Clearly elite playoff players too just they are top heavy with little depth
@@jasondousett3620 The irony of saying that the Oilers only rely on three players and then pointing out that none of those three scored the two goals the Oilers had last night.
I was at the game and the building erupted when JT miller scored
no kiddin ?
i was there too it was insane dude
Your fair and balanced description of Bouchard applies to Canucks's Cole, except without the upside of Bouch
That and Ian Cole has been one of the top Oilers scorers this series
cole is bottom pair tho.
I grew up in Edmonton watching Gretzky. I really want the Oilers to win but it's not gonna happen when they are just too passive. The checking line(s) showed a lot of grit and determination. Stars should stop looking for the pretty play. This is playoffs. New deal. Gotta have that tenacity. Trade Nurse and move Bouchard to offense. Get 2 solid defensemen, keep Pickard in net and they will get to the top. Good videos once again...
I'm an Oilers fan and grew up in the 80s watching Gretzky as well. Lived in River Ridge where Gretzky and Yari Kuri lived and there would be line ups at Halloween when they were giving out candy. That said I agree with Nurse being a liability but no one will take that contract. It's an ugly, bloated contract that should have never been made.
Are we not gonna talk about how sick of a shot Di Giuseppe had?
no, we're not. he only had it at all because bouchard was snoozing out there
Can I get an amen
@@amxterxsu138oilers fan spotted
Also I thought Pickard should have had that. He wasn't set. He was just casually standing there expecting bouchard to carry it out. You have to ready for turnovers.
@@galaxyrend okay, and? this video is about both teams, it's not like i joined a vancouver fan forum and started hating there
Bouch was hero game 4 and then the reason for the loss in game 5.
Reverse JT Miller in this case.
Love the vids. Keep it up. I would love to see your reactions for the Leafs (sure to come) big offseason moves.
I'm old enough to have partied on Whyte Ave in '06 and then live thru what came next. There's nothing they can do to me.
meh, you got nothin compared with canuck history.
Unless your name is Cale Makar it's clearly more important to have a defenceman who plays defence first in the playoffs over an offensive D man.
Quinn Hughes might fall into that category also. #1 LD and #1 RD. Agreed, of course.
It's not Makar, it's their overall system. They're like the Oilers but with more depth and better goaltending, so they can "afford" to make risky offensive plays.
@@sibbyeskie Oilers D is nothing like the Aves. Aves D can play also play defence
Makar is great 2 way defensemen
The avg fan likes to think defense is only the dmans responsibility when in fact the forwards need to play defense as well. Team defense is what wins championships, you can have the best d men in the game but if you got a bunch of offensive forwards on the same line they getting scored on a ton.
Hey Johnny love the videos bro
Good post, i appreciate you being fair and not trashing . I like Bouchard, but everything you said is accurate. Been a frustrating series. Vancouver is playing them well.
aman made a timely stick check that caused the turnover. he didn't give the puck away, a good forecheck turned it over.
If you wait until the forecheck is in range to stick check you, when you are the lone Oiler back, then you have failed to move the puck when you needed to. It's possible that the other Oilers didn't get open fast enough to give him a good target to pass to, but if that's the case, Bouchard either needed to skate with it sooner or just get the puck out of the zone. Even icing it is better than waiting until you're stuck in a double team down by your own goal line.
so in other words he turned the puck over
That's the exact meaning of giving the puck away you tool.
that turnover must be the bouchard bomb everyone was talking about
Thanks for Zadorov and Lindy we Appreciate yall
Never thought I’d be thanking the flames but the Zadorov and Lindholm trades are the best thing that’s happened to Vancouver in years 😂
Douchard is letal on the offence but brutal on defence
Hate to break it but oilers will struggle in round 3 without Cole if they somehow squirm their way to a win.
Vancouver got lucky in game 1 it's Oilers silly gaffs that are making meals for the Canucks they should have lost yesterday also this is easily a 5 1 series Oilers wins, like the absurd real estate prices the Canucks have found away to hang around abit to my annoyance 😆
@@archimedes2261 the oilers were completely outplayed in the second and third period of game 5. I don’t think they deserved to have a chance to win at all. Pickard was the only person keeping it alive.
Gotta say I love how both these teams are playing. High quality hockey. I stopped watching after the New Jersey Devils era of hook, hold and neutral zone constipation.
...constipation. So succinct.Thanks to Jacques and his boring game. I'm glad that garbage is over with. In today's game Jacques wouldn't have a clue with an average offensive team.
@@republica7337 I bet you most people don’t even know who the Jacques is you’re talking about!
@@Homer62001 I'm 66, who you talking to?
@@republica7337 LOL
@@Homer62001 Homer, don't you got a burger to go stuff down your throat.
I honestly hate that Bouchard is an oiler! I'm shocked to see his one-speed complacency even at this point in the season!!
That JT winning goal felt like the start of something special. Canucks & fandom both starting to believe "We can win"
He wont be getting any money from Edmonton if Nurse contract is still there.
Even when the Nux win we gotta talk about the losers, Especially a particular player to make sure!
i’m surprised you didn’t point out garland’s performance, almost every single shift that dude was a one man army battling for the puck
Coach has to make some adjustments.
Vancouver had our # all night last night with our breakout & powerplay.
This happened with Woodcroft last year. Getting OUT COACHED.
Ya this next game is a huge test for Knoblauch. They made some amazing adjustments, especially on the PK. We need something to carry us in the next game, maybe it's minor tweaks but something needs to be tweaked. These games have mostly been coinflips and I don't want to take 2 coinflips to decide the series here, can't do it. Need an advantage somewhere.
Josh Manson makes me feel the same way for Colorado.Not as much an offensive treath as Bouchard he can still sometimes dangle his way and provide his share of offense.But defensively its a roller coaster every time he touches the puck as you never ever know what will happen next hahaha.
I wouldnt even call this an off night. Bouchard has been a powerhouse offensive defenseman for us for quite a while but he's always been a defensive liability. That's why he's paired with a strong defensive player like Ekholm. Bouchard constantly gets caught looking two passes ahead and has big defensive fumbles like this all the time because of this. You can see it with how much he tries to slow down the play in our end consistently.
I noticed this too, he's always looking for long passes but they always get intercepted.
@toedrag-release He does it in the offensive zone on the blueline a lot too. He'll be looking for where he plans to play it before receiving it and will end up misplaying or missing the puck coming towards him. Those just aren't as punishing as the defensive zone ones. Don't get me wrong, I love what he provides offensively, but he does make these types of mistakes pretty regularly. I also don't believe he's the reason we lost that game by any means. I think we lost that game because our powerplay couldn't adjust to them changing their penalty kill style to be more aggressive.
@@karaokepanda8602 no I agree, he makes risky plays that he just doesn't have the talent to pull off. In fact I might even be inclined to say Nurse has done a better job defensively than Bouchard has this series. Hot take I know but I see bouch cause alot more turnovers and super risky ones at that than nurse🤷
he's 24.
bouch giveth and bouch taketh away. highs and lows of being a sports fan. vancouver played very well, probably their best game, and edmonton played like the first game. Pickard was good, onto the next one.
Our front office is to blame, they are blowing our shots to win
@@CynicalSpheres Not this game specifically, but in general for failing to get our pieces in order.
none of us in edmonton are saying "no bouchard slander"... if anything, we generally hold him more accountable than he deserves...
As an Oilers fan Bouchard is my most hated player on the team constant turnovers every night! First power play of the night he gave away the puck two times and gave Vancouver two scoring opportunities.
It’s amazing to see the salaries that these guys are making and yet make fundamental mistakes we learned not to make as peewee hockey players. For example, never come out in front of your own net with the puck like Bouchard did. He should have known better. But all through the playoffs we are seeing so many fundamental rules being broken.
Bouchard was a hero one night and a bum the next game. Soucy went from hero to zero on consecutive shifts. Risk vs reward is the name of sport.
Good call!
There were many instances throughout the season where Bouchard just gave up on plays right in front of the net, allowing goals.
Oiler fans are well aware of his defensive liabilities. He more than offsets with his offensive upside. He's like Karlson, or OEL. Both guys took criticisms like that all their careers.
I've been a Bouchard critic for a long time. But this year his defensive game has improved. Within the playoffs, horrendous gaffe aside, his defensive game at times has been borderline #1 Dman tier. He needs to be more consistent for sure, but if next year his defensive stats take another step, I think he'll develop to be a bonafide #1 D who gets a $9.5M contract
If Bouchard stays around a ppg next year, he can easily get 9 million or more. With Draisaitl more than likely getting 13-14 million on his next deal and McDavid 15 million or more on his. There is a lot of money getting tied up in those 3 over the next couple years
I agreed, it's not all Bouchards fault that lost the game. It is the fact that Edmonton does not have a cohesive TEAM. They have sporadic generous plays, mostly from one player. Conner McDavid. If you want to win the Stanley Cup, you can't just stand around waiting for the plays to develop by one person. Everyone needs to generate plays and passes to the open teammates.
Why don’t you talk about Nurse’s poor play on the last goal? He was at stick’s length from the Vancouver player, and for some strange reason, he drifts away from that player giving him more time and space to shoot at the net.
Out of 9 games since the start of the season, Oilers have won 2, and were outscored overall by a hefty margin. And of those 2....one went to OT, and the other was VERY close right to the end.
Someone please explain to me how the Oilers are better?
perfect example of how the collective ego restricts fundamental logic from the human brain.
Because the regular season doesn't really matter much when it comes to playoffs and is virtually irrelevant. We've seen teams go undefeated against another team during reg season only to lose in the playoffs against that team. Jets/aves this year, Boston/ Florida last year, Edmonton/Vegas last year (3:1). During the playoffs other than game 5. Edmonton has outshot Vancouver every game, had more puck possession every game had more offensive zone time every game. They outplayed Vancouver basically every game but that doesn't matter when you have a pylon in net. Game 5 Vancouver was dominant, but it was the only game so far where they looked like the genuine better team. I think it was game 3 were Edmonton was basically as dominant out shooting by a large margin but Skinner let in a weak goal. Even Vancouver fans were saying "we didn't deserve to win tonight" which is what Edmonton fans would have said had Edmonton won game 5. Imagine if Pickard was in net for the whole series and played as good as he did game 5. This series would likely have been over with Edmonton taking the series. I understand the counter is "well if we had Demko" and that maybe true but it would be a elite level goaltender vs a backup. Edmonton's Achilles heel is their goaltending.
@@toedrag-release have you ever heard the phrase "the proof is in the pudding"?
one can boast of the quality ingredients all one wants ... it's the result that matters.
@@douggarden sure but the thing is you're conflating regular season wins with playoffs. Results matter right? So when the Jets went 4:0 against Colorado that must mean they have the better team right? Except in the playoffs the Jets wom one game. Well are they still the better team because they have a 5:4 record against aves? During the regular season yes but during the playoffs, no. So far it's been van wins1 Edmonton wins 1 van wins one Edmonton wins 1. And most the Vancouver games (game 5 excluded) Edmontons goaltender let them down with soft goals in. Oilers had More shots, more possession, more offensive zone time, thud is the tell tale signs of the more dominant team. Ask yourself this had Edmonton scored the last goal on Vancouver in game 5 making the series 3:2 Edmonton would you say they were the better team that game because they won and they got the results aka a big W despite being dominated all game long? I highly doubt it. You'd say you got robbed.
On paper only - O V E R R A T E D !
These teams like Edmonton and Carolina and Toronto keep trying to win the Cup with big offense, limited or no physical toughness, and mid goaltending. That’s a regular season strategy, it doesn’t get you through the playoffs. Like Carolina should take half their cap space and build themselves a checking/shutdown line.
Carolina is quite literally one of the top defensive and 5v5 teams in the league there main post season issue has been lack of scoring and special teams
yeah goaltending is always the story on any successful team. last year it was a resurgent bobrovski, and an amazing performance by backup goalie hill in vegas. this year its ottingers consistency, shesterkin winning games, and silovs shocking rookie performance
the canucks have been making this same mistake for generations. this year it looks like they have finally learned and gotten more toughness and some good defense
@@jameson1239That defense works in a one-time regular season matchup, plus having the puck all the time inflates the defensive numbers. But there’s no physical presence, they’re all tactics, that gets figured out in a seven-game series. I mean you don’t have to goon it up out there but they can get shoved around. You have to be more well-rounded than that to win the Cup.
I’m a Lightning fan and Carolina reminds me of the Bolts circa 2018. Great regular season team but don’t have what it takes to run the gauntlet. They needed that Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow shutdown line to make the jump and Carolina needs that too.
What happened to Adam Henrique?
Said all season long, he costs you 2 goals or more for every 1 that he scores
Bouchard is our Achille's heel!!
Oilers fan here. I am confident we're not a cup winning team. We have no depth at all. We picked up Corey friggin Perry who skates like a senior citizen out there, and our BIG MOVE was f*ckin Adam Henrique???!?!?!? WTF kind of big move is that? The guy sucks. Goaltending is failing us again, bottom 4 defense horrible, bottom 6 forwards useless. Without powerplay we would have already been eliminated. I'm sick of the same old shit. Even if we "have a better team on paper" than the canucks (I personally don't agree, just paraphrasing), if we play without any heart, we won't beat anyone. Canucks played HARD. We were pussies.
As a neutral, it's difficult to understand how the Oilers don't address their goal-tending frailties year upon year, its not like it's a tactical nuance but bloody obvious!! It would be criminal to waste McDavids talent for the sake of a few good buys.
@@russell-di8js Yes it's very frustrating to see the same show on repeat every year. We finally pick up ekholm and he damn near saves our D core, but he can't do it alone. Then we keep hoping that Stu will become Brodeur but he just isnt' that guy. The lack of depth drives me nuts.
Not an Oilers fan but you nailed it and summed up Edmonton right there. I feel your pain; Holland has not put a good product out there, at least for the postseason.
@@jasondousett3620 The nurse contract absolutely kills me every time I see him flub the puck. I know every team has at least one contract they're not happy with ,but $9.25mill for a 2nd/3rd string D man is absolutely disgusting and has held us back from adding more real depth
I agree, spoken with passion.
Bouchy went home last night and listentend to Rag'N bone man Human song 😂
Is it just me or does anyone else say “bouch bomb” with the voice of Bobby Boucher from the water boy every time they see Evan Bouchard?
If not for Pickard, that game would've been 6-2. Absolutely embarrassing display after the 1st period. I would be hiding my face walking around town if I were on that team.
I've been saying it for years, I said it before the season started, I said it during the season and I said it before the playoffs started: Edmonton have no depth and are defensively non existent. They are PP merchants who lean on McDrai to win games for them ALL THE TIME. If either one of those guys want to win a cup they need to leave the Oilers. They got lucky with the Kings because they were gifted powerplays but now that they aren't they are faltering HARD.
For the first time in the series, the Oilers were outplayed, and not by little. In the 3rd period, Oilers had 0 real scoring chances. It was only the Nucks pushing.
And all 3 goals against are avoidable. Pickard has to make the save on Soucy. The 2nd is on Bouchard, but there was plenty of sloppy defense before.
The Miller goal, it`s a faceoff with less than one minute in the Vancouver zone, lost by Drai and then the Oilers kinda had it but gave it away.
That win was well earned by the Nucks, they outworked the Oilers. Still, Vancouvers goals are easy to avoid. Last years Vegas team would have won that game 2:1.
Bouchard might as well had his eyes closed all day .. he gave the puck away 50 percent of the time. .. Oilers weren't physical and weren't skating they let Picard put to dry!
Bouchard is good at scoring and getting points on the powerplay but as a defensemen that doesn't relate well in other teams, his defensive liabilty would hurt more than his offensive skills... with a diff team, he would be lucky to get 10 goals and 40 assists instead of 82 points because he wouldn't have a Draisaitl and McDavid with him on the powerplay
Let the rebuild begin! Dri gone, McD to soon follow. We cant risk getting nothing for these players. They have already written this series off as a team. They do not deserve to move on. Heart beats talent, when your talent has no heart.
Pickard is giving up some HUGE rebounds....
not that i've seen. in fact i was waiting for him to give one up for the nucks, but he's been good.
I remember them saying cup or bust well you always bust and you will continue to bust on any team you go to if you play like that. As a Oiler fan how in the hell do you players think how we feel.
Who would have guessed at the beginning of this series that Cole would lead McDavid in goals against the Canucks?
canucks fan at that game - well played by both teams but i will say the reffing was AWFUL - that call on Petty was so unreal i’m still in awe - canucks grinded and deserved that win tho
Bouchard is learning from Ian Cole
Bouchard is elite
Ya he had outlet options but each game he contributes to weak plays
I just don't understand how Bouchard is supposed to make a play when he's got *checks notes* Nils Aman bearing down on him.
Ain’t no one saying no Bouchard slander. He serves up pizzas more often than not, and no one says anything about it. Not, the players, coaches , gm. No One. He’s not the only one though, all the top guys do it as well and so do our bottom 6. I think management are too afraid to call out our top players and that is why this team will not win a cup (unless they just out score their problems, highly unlikely). It’s sad because they have the personel to make deep runs every year if they play the right way but for some reason any coach who has been brought in never addresses this. Also their physicality in the playoffs is pathetic.
as much as ive enjoyed this series, its been amazing but i cant help but think how good it could have been if these refs actually knew how to do their job. That missed call on zadorov holding kane super blatantly, then kane ends up with a slash THEN the refs call a charging on a stationary petterson. I think that barely 2 minute stretch sums up how much the refs have ruined this series
Spoken like a true whiny Oilers fan.
@@gergnotsloh oh no a old delusional loser not understanding i complained about the reffing for both sides. if you dont get that you arent a hockey fan🤣
that call on Pettersson was absurd. I've never seen the opposing team and announcers so bewildered at a call.
@@Lite-8it wasn't absurd it' was textbook charging. You cannot leave your feet to make a hit, and he hit the Edmonton player's head. There's a reason you cannot jump for hits whether it's a reverse hit or any other kind of hit.
@@gergnotsloh Im not saying this as a oilers fan. im saying it as a hockey fan. theres been just as many bad calls or non calls against both teams. If there isnt a standard for penalties its fixing not reffing. It ruins the entertainment of the series, its that simple. ill explain again to see if it gets through that thick skull. refs didnt call something that should be called, they then called something that probably shouldnt be called by the way they have been reffing ( hence standard ) THEN they continue to ruin the game by making that call on petterson, which if you didnt know is a vancouver player. I have no issue with the outcome of the game. I think everybody watching can agree the refs suck, but you arent a hockey fan if you think its tilted one way more than the other
I thought EDM was going to destroy van and I’m shocked that they could be done next game
The oilers need more defensive defenders and not more offence like they keep adding 😢
Bout time the Canucks do something been decades oilers smashed them so good for them
Oilers could of taken this series but oilers are on that giving mode, I thought December as fast long ago but they’re still in that December blues
Bouchard was the catalyst to the loss!
Oilers panicked early in the series and played their top guys too much in response. There's a game every two nights and now they're slowing down because of it. Have to out-think their opponents at this point because I'm not sure they can out-work them.
jt miller is shutting Mcdavid DOWN. Invisible with miller on the ice. LFG NUCKS
At what point does that give away become a steal for Aman? Bro's getting no props for clearly forcing that error 😮💨
Bouchard has given us a win, and taking one away.... but honestly the oilers did not deserve that game at any point. These guys have it in them to win, but will they wake up?
As an Oiler fan, if it wasn’t for Picks it could’ve been a real ugly blowout..nucks earned it.
So crazy it was still tied, feeling like OT for like a period and a half..is the only positive for the Oil..0-5 on the pp..Canucks 0-4 very weird!
As an oilers fan I’m a little disappointed I jus hope the team can learn from their mistakes and make a comeback.
Bouchard should only play on the pp or if we’re up by 5 going into the third
Right now, I feel he is more of a liability than an asset. If the Oilers can trade him and get a good defensive defenseman, I would do that trade in a heartbeat. What good is he if he can cost you a game on any given night. Give me consistency, not flashes.
Just another year of the Oilers missing several key pieces to have a chance at a deep run.
Boy this attitude about the Bouch and Skinner is going to lead to bad coaching and Holland decisions without them we are not going to be the winners against and above the Canucks!
He has his moments but he needs to hone his defensive skills
GO CANUCKS!!!
Haha, my wife didn't even know McJesus was playing.
Wow, a women not paying attention to sports? What else is new?
Zac had his man, then stopped dead in his tracks. Why ? Edmonton getting out coached by The Rocket.
It’s so obvious to me that Woodcroft would be a better coach right now than Knoblauch. Knoblauch panicked in game 2 and 3 and played McDraisaitl almost literally half the game’s each and now they look drained lol. Combine those huge minutes that even the top D pairs in the league RARELY hit with the physicality Vancouver is playing with and you’re gonna have some hurting bodies and slow moving feet.
Hits last night were 41 to 23 for the Canucks. Edmonton is getting plastered.
Why don't you do a video on how TNT and ESPN are cheerleaders for the Oilers? Its pitiful and totally unprofessional. Its lke the old New york Yankees and the media. ITs brutal. The Oilers win a 7 game series in overtime and they were the super human best team between the 2 teams. Lame.
Rick Tocchet was in the studio with those TNT cheerleaders last year. The only guy besides Wayne that wasn't just blindly patting the Oilers on the back and calling them the Stanley cup champions from the first round on. Its awesome that he stands in their way now.
He is going to get a raise by three million
Oilers fans are beginning to wonder if Bouchard has some sort of mental issue,some games he's great but too many he looks lost and doesn't know what to do,like continually passing off the puck on the PP..1 shot on 5 PP's last night..he's a liability!!!
Evan Bouchard struggles with defense. Despite his contributions on offense, he becomes a total liability when it comes to defending.
he carried us here, bouch deserves a screw up - nuge has been great needs to bury the puck. look for a big game from 93.
As a die hard oiler fan... I hope Bouchards next contract is in Columbus. Hes absolutely awful. He doesnt do ANYTHING aside from put up points. he had 71 hits ALL SEASON. He has 3 or 4 own zone turn overs a game and is as soft as toilet paper in the corners. I cant cheer the offense until the defense improves