Harley Quinn being in Assault on Arkham made sense. The idea was that she was in Arkham for so long as both an employee, and an inmate she has "An Encyclopedic Knowledge of Arkham's Layout, and it's logistics." It's okay to have popular and more mainstay villains in a Suicide Squad mission, BUT they also need A REASON THAT MAKES SENSE. Not only that but the concerns the other characters bring up to NOT bring Harley on the mission bites them in the ass because she joins the Joker by the end of the movie!
Great video, I would like this to became a series of videos kinda detailing the problem with certain comic book characters or comparing certain comic runs. For example, to me The Teen Titans has a really mixed history with their comic runs, 1960s-1970s run: Forgettable, 1980s run: Great, 1990s run: Awful, Geoff Johns run: great, the run after Geoff Johns left: Mediocre, Titans (2008-2011): so bad it became a Deathstroke's run, New 52 run: Just no...., current runs: pretty solid but got screwed because DC events and continuity.
I also really enjoyed Hell to Pay, I just think it doesn't do anything to solve the overarching problems of the current squad. It's just a good use of the current squad. Plus Reverse Flash was in it which is A+.
Duela Dent actually was originally the daughter of Earth-3 Joker, which is why she was a good guy pre-Flashpoint. She was a bronze age Teen Titan for a while. But yeah, the New 52 absolutely butchered her character, along with the whole Squad.
It’s kind of funny how DC wants Suicide Squad to be the next Guardians of the Galaxy so much so that they got the director from that movie. That being said though, I think James Gunn is going the original route of Suicide Squad with most of the characters from the teaser being C-list characters like Javelin, Black Guard, Weasel, Peacemaker, or Polka Dot Man who will most likely die.
I still don't understand why Harley is included in the team (in universe). Obviously for marketing it's because she's so popular but really what use would she be? The rest of the team have specific abilities and super powers. She waves a baseball bat around.
Technically in suicide squad hell to pay did had members actually die like copperhead he got killed off so did bronze tiger he got killed off in that animated movie and so did killer frost heck in assault in Arkham king shark died in that animated movie and it was really awesome and badass even black spider died in that animated movie
"Even Black Spider"? Nothing against the guy, but "Assault on Arkham" made him seem *waaaaaaay* more badass than he usually is... dude is a total D-lister.
The problem with Suicide Squad in the New 52 and DC Rebirth is that the Suicide Squad is portrayed as anti-heroes, instead of anti-villains. Also, they made the Suicide Squad act too much like Guardians of the Galaxy, and the tone of the comic book is off. Thank Goodness Tom Taylor's run on Suicide Squad fixed all of the Suicide Squad problems. You should read the series. I am also excited for James Gunn's Suicide Squad movie.
Even when they kill Deadshot which was out of the blue and really intriguing you just find out psyche Amanda Waller has a machine to bring him back to life
James Gunn is gonna fix all of this; using the John Ostrander run as a major inspiration, having 98% of the cast be lesser knowns and playing C, D and even Z-list characters like Polka-Dot Man and Ratcatcher, going on missions to places like Panomma, etc.
Honestly instead of a movie(the movie suuuccckkeedd) they should have made a r rated suicidesquad TV serie of 6 to episodes on the DC streaming and that take place within the dceu continuity, it fit better for that brand since they have rotating cast. They should keep the concept of it being covert op and have fight grounded villains, heck they could even keep the og suicidesquad story in the canon to the continuity since the original squad was in the past. In my head l see it like a mix between the expandable and Deadpool
If I did Suicide Squad I would have the team made up of alot of these Golden Age relate villains with some of the OGs like Deadshot, Flag, and Boomerang, while also keeping in members like Bloodsport, King Shark, and Peacemaker more newer and recent members. I wouldn't really do Harley Quinn, I like her, but she's not fit for the team anymore and has been shown to be more of a Bat Family member and Bruce wouldn't let Harley be on that team anymore. Their missions would have some of that grounded and realism but then sprinkle in some big time villain stuff like something with Vandal Savage or Dragon King or Fourth Reich.
I’d reboot the Suicide Squad by essentially having all of the people from the New 52 run form the new Secret Six with Deadshot and recruit the newest D-list supervillains and have them do extremely morally questionable things while being expendable. Oh and if DC wants to market villains on a team make the Legion of Supervillains
If they wanted to keep one of the usual members just to help sell books, deadshot or boomerang would probably do, and then all the other members are like you said newer d list supervillaims that no one cares about so the writer can do whatever they want with them
The whole thing with Joker´s Daughter before the Flashpoint, is that she appeared in story as enemy of Robin and she prank him and told she was The Joker´s Daughter. She later appear and help the Teen Titans mention to be another Batman Villain`s Daughter until she revealed that her real father was the Jokester meaning she is from Earth-3 .
If the writers would explore Harleys duality of being a psychologist and a criminal. It would make her a much more interesting and more dynamic in the team. What writers are doing with her now is making her a Deadpool ripoff.
You want to know something funny, DC wants the Suicide Squad to be there version of the Guardians of the Galaxy, but I recently found out that they actually have a team that is equivalent, and they’re called the Omega Men
Wow, now you've changed my whole opinion about the Suicide Squad first I thought that the Suicide Squad was good but the way you described the original comic you made it sound way batter
I’m conflicted because I love the more grounded and military-based style of the classic stories, but I also love the wacky edgy modern style. I do think the edgy dark comedy style would fit Secret Six more though. I find them both very fun to read and watch. I do agree that Harley is one of the most strange picks for a squad member though. Also, to be fair, the Oscar that the 2016 movie won was for makeup and prosthetics (mostly for Killer Croc), rather than any direction, editing, writing, or acting lol.
be interested to see how you feel about the recent suicide squad comics either "DC still don't know the suicide squad" or "DC fixed the suicide squad" would be cool to see your thoughts
Νο one has bigger plot armor than Amanda Waller. Theres no way she could control Reverse Flash who’s as fast if not faster than Flash without him eventually dismembering her limb from limb within less than a second.
@@srnigromante9214 Moron you don't know DC comics. Gunns shit squad wasn't like anything but his shitty filmmaking. The suicide squad was made to show the humanity in villains. That there's more to them than just the stories of heroes vs villains. None of that is in that pedophile's movie. It's filmed with shitty one liners and terrible jokes that ruin any kind of tension or emotional weight in a scene. Most of the movie has pointless characters and scene that serve no purpose. You idiots know DC comics about as well as that pedophile does.
@@Auron1Roxas2 Lmao sure dude, i feel like you watched Ayer's film instead of Gunn's. If you seriously believe nothing in this film was about humanizing the villains you probably watched it with your ears and eyes closed. Literally every single of the villains in the main group get their moment of humanization. Bloodsport deciding to save the island, Ratcatcher saving everyone and the "lowest of creatures" speech by Ratcatcher 1, Polka-dot man and his childhood trauma, Peacemaker killing Flagg (a story arc which continues in the tv series), King Shark making friends with Ratcatcher, hell even Starro gets hiz humanizing moment when he gets killed. Ive read the entirety of John Ostrander's run on the Squad, hell ive read all of the Suicide Squad comics ever published, i know what im talking about, unlike you.
Harley Quinn being in Assault on Arkham made sense. The idea was that she was in Arkham for so long as both an employee, and an inmate she has "An Encyclopedic Knowledge of Arkham's Layout, and it's logistics." It's okay to have popular and more mainstay villains in a Suicide Squad mission, BUT they also need A REASON THAT MAKES SENSE. Not only that but the concerns the other characters bring up to NOT bring Harley on the mission bites them in the ass because she joins the Joker by the end of the movie!
That… actually works for me. Giving her a reason in the plot to be on the Squad and being seen more as a liability to the Squad.
Great video, I would like this to became a series of videos kinda detailing the problem with certain comic book characters or comparing certain comic runs. For example, to me The Teen Titans has a really mixed history with their comic runs, 1960s-1970s run: Forgettable, 1980s run: Great, 1990s run: Awful, Geoff Johns run: great, the run after Geoff Johns left: Mediocre, Titans (2008-2011): so bad it became a Deathstroke's run, New 52 run: Just no...., current runs: pretty solid but got screwed because DC events and continuity.
Can’t really disagree with anything here. Apart from Hell to Pay, because Hell to Pay freakin rules.
I also really enjoyed Hell to Pay, I just think it doesn't do anything to solve the overarching problems of the current squad. It's just a good use of the current squad. Plus Reverse Flash was in it which is A+.
Infinity Inc. Comics I can understand that
Duela Dent actually was originally the daughter of Earth-3 Joker, which is why she was a good guy pre-Flashpoint. She was a bronze age Teen Titan for a while. But yeah, the New 52 absolutely butchered her character, along with the whole Squad.
It’s kind of funny how DC wants Suicide Squad to be the next Guardians of the Galaxy so much so that they got the director from that movie. That being said though, I think James Gunn is going the original route of Suicide Squad with most of the characters from the teaser being C-list characters like Javelin, Black Guard, Weasel, Peacemaker, or Polka Dot Man who will most likely die.
Peacemaker will probably live because one he’s getting his own show and two i think wb wants John cent to make money off him
@@Lordlexluthor His show is confirmed to be a prequel though :(
I still don't understand why Harley is included in the team (in universe). Obviously for marketing it's because she's so popular but really what use would she be? The rest of the team have specific abilities and super powers. She waves a baseball bat around.
Maybe because she’s always in jail.
Technically in suicide squad hell to pay did had members actually die like copperhead he got killed off so did bronze tiger he got killed off in that animated movie and so did killer frost heck in assault in Arkham king shark died in that animated movie and it was really awesome and badass even black spider died in that animated movie
"Even Black Spider"? Nothing against the guy, but "Assault on Arkham" made him seem *waaaaaaay* more badass than he usually is... dude is a total D-lister.
So who’s back here after Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League…
This video aged well. Like really well.
The problem with Suicide Squad in the New 52 and DC Rebirth is that the Suicide Squad is portrayed as anti-heroes, instead of anti-villains. Also, they made the Suicide Squad act too much like Guardians of the Galaxy, and the tone of the comic book is off.
Thank Goodness Tom Taylor's run on Suicide Squad fixed all of the Suicide Squad problems. You should read the series. I am also excited for James Gunn's Suicide Squad movie.
Even when they kill Deadshot which was out of the blue and really intriguing you just find out psyche Amanda Waller has a machine to bring him back to life
James Gunn is gonna fix all of this; using the John Ostrander run as a major inspiration, having 98% of the cast be lesser knowns and playing C, D and even Z-list characters like Polka-Dot Man and Ratcatcher, going on missions to places like Panomma, etc.
Danny M wrong
@@night6724 lmao idiot
@@night6724 Your wrong!
Well, Harley Quinn is in it, and it does have the zany tone of the current comics.
Not that it's a problem for me though
I’m from a year into the future and you were 100% right. Gunn fixed the Squad, I couldn’t be more happier with the movie we got.
Honestly instead of a movie(the movie suuuccckkeedd) they should have made a r rated suicidesquad TV serie of 6 to episodes on the DC streaming and that take place within the dceu continuity, it fit better for that brand since they have rotating cast.
They should keep the concept of it being covert op and have fight grounded villains, heck they could even keep the og suicidesquad story in the canon to the continuity since the original squad was in the past.
In my head l see it like a mix between the expandable and Deadpool
If I did Suicide Squad I would have the team made up of alot of these Golden Age relate villains with some of the OGs like Deadshot, Flag, and Boomerang, while also keeping in members like Bloodsport, King Shark, and Peacemaker more newer and recent members. I wouldn't really do Harley Quinn, I like her, but she's not fit for the team anymore and has been shown to be more of a Bat Family member and Bruce wouldn't let Harley be on that team anymore. Their missions would have some of that grounded and realism but then sprinkle in some big time villain stuff like something with Vandal Savage or Dragon King or Fourth Reich.
I’d reboot the Suicide Squad by essentially having all of the people from the New 52 run form the new Secret Six with Deadshot and recruit the newest D-list supervillains and have them do extremely morally questionable things while being expendable. Oh and if DC wants to market villains on a team make the Legion of Supervillains
If they wanted to keep one of the usual members just to help sell books, deadshot or boomerang would probably do, and then all the other members are like you said newer d list supervillaims that no one cares about so the writer can do whatever they want with them
The whole thing with Joker´s Daughter before the Flashpoint, is that she appeared in story as enemy of Robin and she prank him and told she was The Joker´s Daughter. She later appear and help the Teen Titans mention to be another Batman Villain`s Daughter until she revealed that her real father was the Jokester meaning she is from Earth-3 .
If the writers would explore Harleys duality of being a psychologist and a criminal. It would make her a much more interesting and more dynamic in the team. What writers are doing with her now is making her a Deadpool ripoff.
I’m glad you’re reading all these bad comics so I don’t have to keep up the good work
You want to know something funny, DC wants the Suicide Squad to be there version of the Guardians of the Galaxy, but I recently found out that they actually have a team that is equivalent, and they’re called the Omega Men
I personally love Tom Taylor suicide squad because that series is tons of fun
@@Adam-nz3ix agreed
Wow, now you've changed my whole opinion about the Suicide Squad first I thought that the Suicide Squad was good but the way you described the original comic you made it sound way batter
Love #johnostrander 's run on Suicide Squad! Thanks for posting this comparison / review.
13:45 Yes It was Stupid Stupid idea
Oh shit, Tom taylor's run actually kinda just responded to this video
James Gunn must've watched this
Just make this the new Secret Six team.
I’m conflicted because I love the more grounded and military-based style of the classic stories, but I also love the wacky edgy modern style. I do think the edgy dark comedy style would fit Secret Six more though.
I find them both very fun to read and watch. I do agree that Harley is one of the most strange picks for a squad member though.
Also, to be fair, the Oscar that the 2016 movie won was for makeup and prosthetics (mostly for Killer Croc), rather than any direction, editing, writing, or acting lol.
You make alot of vids on DC. Do you prefer DC comics over Marvel? Do you think DC has the more legendary and influential comics in it's history?
For time and money reasons, I read mostly DC. I wouldn't say I prefer one, I just got into DC first.
I LOVE ostranders suicide squad so damn much. Great video
@Infinity Comics So, what did you think of James Gunn's Suicide Squad?
Good news, I come from the future. And Tom Taylor’s Suicide Squad run is good. Same with The Suicide Squad movie.
I loved both of them, thompson’s run ain’t too bad either
Sad part is the suicde sqaud wanna bes in transformets 5 were way better.
So do you have much hope for Birds of Prey?
Could go either way. Cassandra Cain looks bad which isn't a good sign. And if they mess up Black Canary or Renee Montoya I'll be pretty upset.
I love how the suicide squad was trying to be Guardians of the Galaxy that they got James Gunn to direct and write
be interested to see how you feel about the recent suicide squad comics either "DC still don't know the suicide squad" or "DC fixed the suicide squad" would be cool to see your thoughts
Infinity, how about a review on the new movie?! Make this a duology lol
Νο one has bigger plot armor than Amanda Waller. Theres no way she could control Reverse Flash who’s as fast if not faster than Flash without him eventually dismembering her limb from limb within less than a second.
The day Harley Quinn joined the team every thing fell apart
Macho Madness yeah I guess that started to become the problem
You're not wrong.
I don't mind Harley she is a decent addition tbh
shut up
Joker's Daughter was originally a Teen Titan, she got changed in the New 52
Are you looking forward to James Gunn's Suicide Squad soft reboot?
What did you Think of Robbie Thompson's Suicide Squad?
Can you make a video about the secret six
It was for costume design
How are feeling now
There was never a problem with the squad until gunn’s shit movie ruined their image and DC started incorporating some of it in their comics.
Gunn's movie was exactly what Ostrander's Suicide Squad was like. Again Snyder fanboys showing they dont even like DC Comics.
@@srnigromante9214 Moron you don't know DC comics. Gunns shit squad wasn't like anything but his shitty filmmaking. The suicide squad was made to show the humanity in villains. That there's more to them than just the stories of heroes vs villains. None of that is in that pedophile's movie. It's filmed with shitty one liners and terrible jokes that ruin any kind of tension or emotional weight in a scene. Most of the movie has pointless characters and scene that serve no purpose. You idiots know DC comics about as well as that pedophile does.
@@srnigromante9214 fr bro lol, Gunns suicide squad was nearly perfect as a suicide squad movie imo
@@Auron1Roxas2 Lmao sure dude, i feel like you watched Ayer's film instead of Gunn's. If you seriously believe nothing in this film was about humanizing the villains you probably watched it with your ears and eyes closed. Literally every single of the villains in the main group get their moment of humanization. Bloodsport deciding to save the island, Ratcatcher saving everyone and the "lowest of creatures" speech by Ratcatcher 1, Polka-dot man and his childhood trauma, Peacemaker killing Flagg (a story arc which continues in the tv series), King Shark making friends with Ratcatcher, hell even Starro gets hiz humanizing moment when he gets killed.
Ive read the entirety of John Ostrander's run on the Squad, hell ive read all of the Suicide Squad comics ever published, i know what im talking about, unlike you.
Another Snyder fanboy hating on everything that isn’t from the Snyderverse
smh y’all mfs make me embarrassed to enjoy the Snyderverse