Batman Hush Movie: The Ridiculous Reveal
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2024
- You know that really great comic, Batman Hush? Well they made an animated movie about it. Is it good? Is it bad? Find out here.
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I completely agree with you, I watched this movie and when I got to the end I kept saying “This isn’t right, the Riddler may have been the one behind everything but he wasn’t Hush, he was Tommy Eliot!”
The character hush isn't in the story.
The persona hush is in the story.
Thomas elliot is in the story.
But they aren't one and the same.
Makes sense to me.
Yeah it's pretty stupid how they only did this for pure shock value, Hush's identity as Thomas Elliott wasn't just shock value it was actually a Arc of betrayal as well, if anything this whole graphic novel is more about the concept of betrayal and trust rather than just some mystery. Mystery isn't only the element, but betrayal was the main theme pretty much, the Elliot reveal was obvious in the original, the original also kind of hurt us to know that a childhood friend of Batman's would also be out to hurt him. It's about the people closest to him that could easily turn, just not only goes for Elliot, but Selena and other's as well, the graphic novel was about Batman's arc of trust, wasn't just some mystery man behind the mask bullcrap.
And the people who made the film totally failed to understand that.
Such an underrated comment
Great catch on the theme and narrative structure in the comic. A lot of these execs think we only want twists or new stuff so they change source material to surprise the original fans when all it does is piss us off
My thought exactly! Very well said. They cut the very heart out of the story.
That’s just how it is now. Even already established stories and characters are being sacrificed for the sake of subversion.
"Regarded as one of the best Batman stories of all time". Objection your Honour, permission to treat witness as hostile.
The Twist killed off two great character that could be used in more great stories. Beyond that it ruined the movie because it no longer shows how clever or malicious Hush is as a character. Hush's plan is brilliant but only if it's Elliot's plan... Why? Because the first step is injuring Batman bad enough to force him to go to a specialist like Elliot and reveal his identity, but instead we get some half baked line about the Lazarus pit giving Riddler ultimate knowledge or some bull making that part of the plan, the sustained injury ultimately, and ultimately the first third of the movie pointless.
Couldn't agree more.
Well. The DCAMU was killed off with Justice league dark apokolips war, so we don’t have to worry about wasted potential anymore XD
I hate how those movies since Flashpoint and Justice League War are killing villains left and right. For what did they blow up Mad Hatter's head? For what did they kill Firefly, Killer Moth and Electrocutioner? And now… Riddler? Can't wait for Apokolips War and all the dead B list characters.
Huh. Ironically enough I JUST got done listening to a review of this movie praising the twist. Then again, it was predicated on the notion that the comic doesn’t hold up, so that’s different strokes I guess.
Do you have a link? I'd love to get another take.
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The short version is they like the film and the comic about the same, but appreciate the Riddler twist because they find Tommy Elliot 1) a boring character and 2) so obviously Hush from so early in the story that there’s no mystery at all.
@@ThePonderer Thanks
Yeah the comic just has some nice flashback moments but is there really any reason for Elliot to know Jason Todd was Robin? For Thomas Elliot to exist? He's just a lazy anti Batman
Even if they wanted to change Hush's identity to one of Batman's more popular rogues, Riddler is probably the worst choice. He's probably the Bat-rogue who is the least physical threat to Batman Barman and a straight-up fist fight finale does nothing for his character
Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, Three Jokers, Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, Killer Croc, Two Face, Mr. Freeze would tear that guy apart without his fancy toys.
Even Dr. Otto Octavius is more menacing than Riddler.
Chronologically
Hush was Jason Todd (which was revealed in Under the Red Hood)
Then Jason swapped with Clayface mid-comic between some pages..
Yeah, they retconned it in Under the Red Hood. I do like the change because it's Jason messing with Bruce.
They tried to pull out what they did (successfully) in Batman Gaslight: in the comics, Jack the Ripper is Bruce's uncle. It was obvious, he was the only one who didn't had a canon counterpart.
But they played fair on that movie: they erased the uncle altogether and placed on the story characters that weren't there originally, expanding on the cast. It was built on a mystery you as the audience had to solve, suspecting LITERALLY EVERYONE because all of them had core traits that turned them into suspects from the get go: Hugo Strange, Jim Gordon, Harvey Dent, Bullock, Catwoman, Alfred, even Bruce Wayne himself. It was thrilling and the reveal was satisfying even for those who guessed it. It didn't follow the comics and it was a good thing.
But the problem is: Hush makes the fundamental mistake of contradicting itself in order for the twist to happen. It was ridiculous.
Dark Knight Returns was done justice in my opinion.
*and Batman Year One
god that twist was really stupid
I think Teen Titans: The Judas Contract and Batman: Hush would’ve been better off as stand alone movies with better writers. For The Killing Joke, it just needed better writers.
When I first read Hush, the EXACT second I saw Thomas Elliot, I knew he was Hush. However at least with that I still loved the reveal, then the movie comes out and fucks it all up.
I wish Paul Dini run on Batman get a Omnibus
He actually is getting an omnibus. There’s an amazon preorder listing: Batman by Paul Dini Omnibus www.amazon.com/dp/1779505515/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_F2qsFbC8YY43G
Yeah although it orphaned severel issues
This movie and the Batman both pulled the Riddler is Hush thing. DC Riddler is not Hush they are to different characters
Plot stuff aside, I'm getting very bored with the visual blandness of these WB Batman movies. Occasionally they're entertaining enough to distract from the lack of visual style, but in general they're just stripping the source material of a large portion of what makes them unique in the first place.
It's really apparent in the animated Hush. The comic looks futuristic and bright and vibrant. The movie looks like a cut and paste of the generic Gotham they use in most of these. I'm not really sure what it is they're going for other than maybe a basic template for which to shoehorn all these unrelated comic storylines into a single animated "universe".
The Arkham Knight is Astrid Arkham (in DC Comics)
Id say that the under the red hood comic keeps the identity secret and unknowable quite well, the movie doesn't but the comic doesn't even refer to Jason until midway through, at which stage his identity has already been revealed
10 seconds after the movie ends
Me: What...
Yeah the twist with who hush is in the movie killed the whole thing for me it was great up until that point
''All of Batman's Rouges gallery''. *Dr. Death and Duc d'ortteri crying in a corner.
Hated the deviations from the comic. This movie shouldn't have been a new 52 continuity movie, glad that universe ended.
I have no issue with Hush being Riddler in the animated movie. I actually LOVED IT, dude is always made fun of and never taken seriously by other villains and stuff, obviously hes no Kite Man in regards to his respect. but from the top villains of Batmans, he gets the least respect. Him punking all the villains and scaring them into doing his work was great and satisfying.
BUT! What I hated was him after the reveal, he went back to being stupid and comical, especially the Question Mark on his head. I was hoping he was smart, calculating, and a terrifying force the whole way and the only way to stop him was for Catwoman to Kill him or they both get killed.
Also Riddler has only been gaining respect by writers within the recent years, because they've pretty much squeezed dry all the other villains and their own creativity. Now its all, LETS MAKE THE RIDDLER A FORCE TO BE RECKON WITH. I love it I do. but when it comes to animated and films. Riddler hasnt had that yet, until now... Though I think they botched it in the end
“Sir I cannot ethnically carve a question mark on your head.”
“I’ll give you ten bucks”
*Raises knife*
In the end, weren’t we all Hush
mask of the phantasm does the mystery aspect much better
The world was about to end so there's no reason to keep caracters alive, it was actually sad to see that catwoman and bats weren't gonna be together because catwoman would die when Darkseid invaded earth, and reality would be reset, and batman would end without a wife, but at least he had Clark and Diana in the end.
This is definitely an unpopular opinion, but to me Hush is easily the most overrated Batman story ever written. So this movie was never for me. But what I can say is that at least this film operates as an actual mystery story, which the comic fails miserably at. It’s so strange that it’s often hailed as this great epic Batman mystery when Batman doesn’t actually solve anything; he doesn’t figure anything out by the end of the story. It all just comes out to him in dialogue. There’s a lot of other stuff in that story that I think has aged really poorly, but that would take ages. But overall, I guess I feel bad for the people that wanted a straight adaptation of the book. Again, it was never for me because I don’t like the book now as I’ve gotten older.
Haljordan4life “most people” enjoying something doesn’t make it good. If you like it, cool. It sounds like you’ve been reading it for years and just never bothered to dissect it.
I'm glad I didn't waste my time on this movie. I'm going to be re-reading the comic arc shortly, which I imagine will remain fascinating and satisfying.
Also why the hell do they portray Riddler as an expert hand-to-hand fighter?
What a coincidence. I watched this horrible movie today. Perhaps this is the worst Batman experience ever? It is nothing like the comic book arc. Ugh!
Nailed it on the head
Noone is going to point out that batman's anger towards joker has no basis as Jason Todd and Barbara Gordon didn't exist or weren't affected by the joker? No? Noone?
Sadly, since "Justice League War", DC animated movies quality dropped... and dropped havily.
Amazing video
I remember I hated the twist so hard when j first watched this
Tommy elliot existence was entirely pointless
hush the character sucks, he got mad at batman’s parents for saving his, wtf kind of an origin is that? having riddler be hush is better and the only reason Batman:hush is regarded as one of the best batman comics is because of jim lee
Batman: Hush the comic is convoluted nonsense. Throwing every big Batman villain, a Superman fight and Catwoman romance, does not automatically make it a great Bat-book (see Tom King's run). All those fans that complain today's comic writers nerf established villains to legitimize their new ones can blame this book for galvanizing that trend. The "twists" in Hush manage to be both ridiculous and predictable, in an attempt to make 'Hush' happen, which let's be honest, he didn't after this story aside from bit parts or side stories. R.IP. did this type of "breaking Batman psychologically" story better. "Court of Owls" did a better job of introducing new villains with staying power. I'll never understand why folks love this book or this character.
Did you watch the video
12:10 he literally explain this
You’re right, this twist didn’t work at all and it sucks big time.
I 100% agree, this is a great analysis.
The movie was good cause I never read the novel, so it was the first time I’ve seen it and you kind of wish it wasn’t the Riddler I guess after hearing the backstory of the book o well
I finished the movie about 30 minutes ago. What a disappointment! I kept waiting for a second twist that Riddler was Tommy Elliot or something.
im still mad about anything warner bros does
espically 3 fckin batmans - come on
im gonna eat it all up anywase bc batman is my favorite
but still mad bc wb cant build out his story like marvel has done exceptionally well with their characters
Had me fucked by the end of it i had to switch it to subzero instead lol
I also think it was stupid it was the riddler
This movie was just Disappointing.
Worst... Batman adaptation... ever.
Another L for the DCAU.
Howdy
What happened to great animated DC movies?
Dude I agree with your opinions, and alright video sure, but you barely said anything, you just went on for 10 minutes about twists in other films saying take 'the usual suspects', take 'vertigo', take 'get out'. The arkham knight and under the red hood comparison wasn't even t he same thing, you just used another example of the same thing for the same reason, its absolutely infuriating. You can just lay out what you think a good twist is without half a dozen examples for each bullet point it only serves to extend the runtime. Not only that but you say spoilers for Hush at the beginning, but then two seconds after introducing any one of two dozen other films, you give away the main twist. I've not seen Unusual suspects. I want to at some point, but now the impact of that twist will be lost becasue you didn't feel secure enough to explain your point with just vertigo, you needed to go into repeat the same points with another movie, making no more interesting comments. I couldn't imagine how annoyed I'd be if I had Shutter Island spoiled (that film is so good, and the twist makes it what it is) but you 100% worsened the experience of that film for someone. Use two movies to compare Hush to. One to analyse how twists were done in the past, one for how they're done today. Explain why this change happened, and how Hush failed to heed these lessons. I haven't seen any of your other reviews or video essays or whatever and I won't becasue I don't want the entire plethora of western media spoiled for me at record pace. I can't remember feeling this enfuriated at a review ever, especially not one I agree with. I hope you've learned since making this, or I hope you can, becasue if they're all like this, your videos are what's wrong with review culture. Insecurity, insubstantial points, ruining better films for many people. Learn.
I watched your recent video about Batman's biggest enemy being crime. Good video. I was quick to judge you as a creator, and I apologise for any offense I may cause if you read my original comment, but my criticsisms still stand. I don't think this was a good video, and I don't want to hide from my criticisms just because i've learned that you're a decent creator
Okay, that’s a ridiculously long intro. Didn’t even to bother your video because of that alone. Would be great to shorten your intro. I thought I was watching an ad.
oi vey
I actually thought that the change really worked. I never thought the Thomas Elliot reveal was all that engaging in the comics. He kinda plays second fiddle to Riddler. He's better in the stories after Hush.
It ruins the Riddler though.
@@spencermalley10 The movie makes it clear that this is a crazed version of Riddler, affected by the Lazarus pit. It doesn't really ruin him either: his plan involved creating chaos in Gotham and gave Batman a difficult riddle to solve (who's hush?), as usual. I'll admit that I would've liked to see Thomas Elliott... But, they would've had to spend more time fleshing his character out, so I understand why
@@jimhogarth9678 But as this review says, The riddler is all about ego and getting attention. Him ditching the Riddler persona for a new boring one really doesnt fit his chatacter.
On top of that, The movie makes him out to be c-list joke loser villain when hes one of Batmans top-tier enemies.
@@spencermalley10 Once again, I think the story gives a good explanation for the shift, via the Lazarus pit. I thought it was cool to see Riddler so in control that he didn't even bother to play chess with Batman -- he finally wanted Batman dead.
My biggest gripe though is that, yeah, they lowballed "base Riddler". Riddler can be incredibly conniving and calculating... But, at the end of this movie? The "brilliance boost" provided by the Lazarus pit magically wears off, and Batman stomps him pretty easy.
@@jimhogarth9678 Im sorry but that just isn't who the riddler is to me. He doesn't need to be turned into an edgelord.
DC still is the king of animation.
Your video's great and to the point but, why the heck would you need to take a jab at Zack Snyder?? Are you also one of those NPCs who can't think for themselves? First, the movie is an adaptation and second, it didn't change the core of the character, it clearly showed he was on the wrong path... Stop hating just because the online bots and paid propaganda made it popular, start using your brain.
Because obviously no one can form a negative opinion of Zack Snyder's interpretations on their own, right? You sound like a bot with how many buzzwords you put in that statement.
@@WingerEdison Tehre was no need for him to put his incorrect opinion in Hush review.
I saw moron defend this on reddit because it made more sense 😂😂😂. Yeah the guy that leaves compulsive riddles and wants attention completely changed his personality as a twist!!! Plus looks like a bullseye knockoff.
The defense of if you want the same thing as the book good read the book is horseshit. most of the best animated adaptation come directly from the books. I hate to break it to the no name writers that make these movies but they cant just magically come up with a better idea that one of the most iconic and best selling comics of all time. Just like the addition of batman smashing batgirl in killing joke it just proves they arent as good of writes as the originals
Not to mention people have no problems with good change. They changed the tower of bable story and its still had the key elements vital to the story.
To make a long story short. The removed the character the movie and comic are named after and people payed money and gave to see.
Haven’t seen the movie but as a semi riddler fan , they should have just made a Batman vs riddler movie. He could still find a way to execute a overly complicated plot against Batman but let him be the riddler.
Haven’t seen the movie but as a semi riddler fan , they should have just made a Batman vs riddler movie. He could still find a way to execute a overly complicated plot against Batman but let him be the riddler.