I was thinking about buying this interface to do some scratching, is it still possible to scratch with this or is the latency TOO much? I bought a turntable and mixer to hopefully use with a very old SL1 I found lying around but I've realised now the SL1 is useless at this stage, bummed out I couldn't start scratching straight away and looking for the easiest and cheapest option.
In my opinion, it's okay to use it to learn scratching. For what it costs, it's a decent interface. Once you get into some of the faster moves that require quick record movements, you'll start to notice the lag, and it can get a bit annoying. (especially if you're scratching quick to faster genres like 150bpm+ stuff)
MSI G62 with an i7-6700 processor, 12gb ram, on Windows 10, and I have serato installed on the internal M2 SSD drive Funny enough, on the same laptop, I can use a Rane SL4 and get better performance. That's currently my interface of choice these days.
@@DJFeelsGoodman did you try adjusting the buffer size and bit rate in the DS1 control panel? I found that this will make a dramatic difference when it comes to latency if you're having bad performance. I know I played around with mine a bit until I got it just right.
To be fair DS-1 was mostly targeted at mixing djs,not for battle djing nore scratching,but i was considering buying one for a vestax mixer i got for a bargain,had no idea for the latency. Thanks for the information regardless.
You're welcome. I didn't know it was targeted mostly for mixing DJs, and that's an interesting fact if true. For purely mixing, the DS-1 is just fine and dandy. Unfortunately, I think very few people are aware of that, especially when the opening video on Denon's website for the DS-1 features a scratching demo and an opening tagline that says, "For Pro DJs and Turntablists." Typically, the word "turntablist" or "turntablism" carries the implication is scratching, beat juggling, and that sort of thing. If the DS-1 was targeted for mixing DJs primarily, then I think we've been misled, or the marketing message on their website doesn't match the intentions elsewhere. BUT by now, this is quite old hardware, and part of me wishes someone would come out with a new Serato-approved interface with modern technology -- just to fill that gap. But I feel like this is a niche market at this point, so that is not likely to happen.
@@DJFeelsGoodman I don't know what their focus initially was,but on most of the UA-cam channels that reviewed it they didn't took much of a look at the scratching,most of them just mentioned that,yeah it can do that too.Channels like DJ City etc. are usually given review copies and since DJ City is always taking a look on every product for what use it has for turntablists,that leads me to think they weren't really aiming at that market (DJ City is just one example of course).But even from Denon,they usually marketed as "it can also do turntablist stuff". Personally i believe there should be one capable DVS box out there that makes possible to use an analogue mixer with and SL series has the price of a mixer. Personally for example i would love to pick up a DJM-909 or a vestax PMC-08 but I'll always have to count in the price the price of the sl box.
Fair point. I wonder if the bulk of the cost on the SL box is because of the Serato certification or if it's purely a manufacturing-related cost. (or if it's just fluffed up for sales margin) It's crazy how expensive an SL-4 box still is today, given its age.
Don't know who told you that but that is totally untrue. It's made to carry the serato noise map on the control vinyl to the software that's it. Whether it's slow or not it's on your laptop not the hardware. Misinformation like this is what hinders the dj community. Just because it dosent work for you dose not mean that is the standard. There are lots of people including myself who use the same unit and get excellent results weather thats hardcore scratching or mixing.
@@mrkdude3943 What do you mean untrue, all the advertisements Denon threw for this piece were not catered in any way for scratching. The promotional description Denon gave to retailers was 90% aimed at mixing DJs. Denon made almost no promotion of these products showcasing the benefits for scratch DJs, not in their sites nor in any promotion campaign nor in any sponsor. The latency case is something that is reported across the line from many users and the latency graphs were uploaded in many sites back in the time, comparing this to the Serato SL. If anyone wants to try this for himself, they are free to do, but it is also necessary for people to report possible issues even if those are coming from faulty units, because at the end of the day that faulty unit most likely wasn't a one of product. Numark used this sort of criticism back in the day with the Numark TTX units and we ended up having three iterations of it, all of them aiming at working at their faulty nature. Also how did you take for granted that people only used it with one computer?
In my opinion, the only thing you can really do to help reduce the latency on a DS1 is to set the buffer at the lowest possible setting. I've tried tons of tutorials online about fixing Serato lag in general, and they help only a tiny bit. After all was said and done, the thing that made the most difference for me (albeit an expensive solution) was to swap the DS1 with an SL4.
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Hello, can I use it with MacBook Pro 16inch INTEL I9 processor?
should be supported ....
I have a ds1 box on a 2012 macbook set to lowest possible setting and i get zero lag and no drift. 🤷♂️ its not the box
Exactly, I have the ds1- these issues are predominantly the laptop in my experience
I was thinking about buying this interface to do some scratching, is it still possible to scratch with this or is the latency TOO much? I bought a turntable and mixer to hopefully use with a very old SL1 I found lying around but I've realised now the SL1 is useless at this stage, bummed out I couldn't start scratching straight away and looking for the easiest and cheapest option.
In my opinion, it's okay to use it to learn scratching. For what it costs, it's a decent interface. Once you get into some of the faster moves that require quick record movements, you'll start to notice the lag, and it can get a bit annoying. (especially if you're scratching quick to faster genres like 150bpm+ stuff)
@@DJFeelsGoodman thank you for the help :)
I really want to buy rane sl2. Can you help it??
what are your laptop specs? driver used? chances are that's causing the problem, not the DS1.
MSI G62 with an i7-6700 processor, 12gb ram, on Windows 10, and I have serato installed on the internal M2 SSD drive
Funny enough, on the same laptop, I can use a Rane SL4 and get better performance. That's currently my interface of choice these days.
@@DJFeelsGoodman did you try adjusting the buffer size and bit rate in the DS1 control panel? I found that this will make a dramatic difference when it comes to latency if you're having bad performance. I know I played around with mine a bit until I got it just right.
To be fair DS-1 was mostly targeted at mixing djs,not for battle djing nore scratching,but i was considering buying one for a vestax mixer i got for a bargain,had no idea for the latency.
Thanks for the information regardless.
You're welcome. I didn't know it was targeted mostly for mixing DJs, and that's an interesting fact if true. For purely mixing, the DS-1 is just fine and dandy. Unfortunately, I think very few people are aware of that, especially when the opening video on Denon's website for the DS-1 features a scratching demo and an opening tagline that says, "For Pro DJs and Turntablists." Typically, the word "turntablist" or "turntablism" carries the implication is scratching, beat juggling, and that sort of thing. If the DS-1 was targeted for mixing DJs primarily, then I think we've been misled, or the marketing message on their website doesn't match the intentions elsewhere.
BUT by now, this is quite old hardware, and part of me wishes someone would come out with a new Serato-approved interface with modern technology -- just to fill that gap. But I feel like this is a niche market at this point, so that is not likely to happen.
@@DJFeelsGoodman I don't know what their focus initially was,but on most of the UA-cam channels that reviewed it they didn't took much of a look at the scratching,most of them just mentioned that,yeah it can do that too.Channels like DJ City etc. are usually given review copies and since DJ City is always taking a look on every product for what use it has for turntablists,that leads me to think they weren't really aiming at that market (DJ City is just one example of course).But even from Denon,they usually marketed as "it can also do turntablist stuff".
Personally i believe there should be one capable DVS box out there that makes possible to use an analogue mixer with and SL series has the price of a mixer.
Personally for example i would love to pick up a DJM-909 or a vestax PMC-08 but I'll always have to count in the price the price of the sl box.
Fair point. I wonder if the bulk of the cost on the SL box is because of the Serato certification or if it's purely a manufacturing-related cost. (or if it's just fluffed up for sales margin) It's crazy how expensive an SL-4 box still is today, given its age.
Don't know who told you that but that is totally untrue. It's made to carry the serato noise map on the control vinyl to the software that's it. Whether it's slow or not it's on your laptop not the hardware. Misinformation like this is what hinders the dj community. Just because it dosent work for you dose not mean that is the standard. There are lots of people including myself who use the same unit and get excellent results weather thats hardcore scratching or mixing.
@@mrkdude3943 What do you mean untrue, all the advertisements Denon threw for this piece were not catered in any way for scratching. The promotional description Denon gave to retailers was 90% aimed at mixing DJs. Denon made almost no promotion of these products showcasing the benefits for scratch DJs, not in their sites nor in any promotion campaign nor in any sponsor.
The latency case is something that is reported across the line from many users and the latency graphs were uploaded in many sites back in the time, comparing this to the Serato SL.
If anyone wants to try this for himself, they are free to do, but it is also necessary for people to report possible issues even if those are coming from faulty units, because at the end of the day that faulty unit most likely wasn't a one of product.
Numark used this sort of criticism back in the day with the Numark TTX units and we ended up having three iterations of it, all of them aiming at working at their faulty nature.
Also how did you take for granted that people only used it with one computer?
I was hoping you would explain how to actually fix the latency issue like the title states 😶
In my opinion, the only thing you can really do to help reduce the latency on a DS1 is to set the buffer at the lowest possible setting. I've tried tons of tutorials online about fixing Serato lag in general, and they help only a tiny bit. After all was said and done, the thing that made the most difference for me (albeit an expensive solution) was to swap the DS1 with an SL4.
U can turn the driver latency up when u do that there even better than an sl4 box thay where made alot later to
Wow, you’re using all the wrong you’re using all the wrong gear!