Climbing rocks TOOO hard? try this

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  • Lots of ways to go up a rope. This is a popular one among rock climbers even the ones that put in new routes.
    Using minimal gear, most of which climbers will already have, this system is still reasonably efficient.
    Extremegear.org carrys most of the gear discussed is this video.
    Petzl Basic
    www.extremegea...

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  • @WayTooManyNames
    @WayTooManyNames Рік тому +76

    I'm super biased towards Bobby-based content, but as I've grown into the sport and talked to different people, read all sorts of books, and watched all kinds of videos on ascending; this is by far the most informative to the point video on ascending a line for general climbing that also doesn't neglect to mention pretty much all of the other major fields that would have more efficient forms of ascending, and also why those might not be the best to start with! Keep it up, the content has been bomber so far (fantastic audio quality btw)!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +14

      Thanks for the kind words.
      Editing it i kept kicking mysef for leaving stuff out.
      I cheated on the audio and had an Adobe AI clean it up. There were trucks and generators going in the background and then the wind picked up.

    • @benreeve6094
      @benreeve6094 Рік тому +1

      ​@@bobbyhutton1989 I thought you might have gone the extra mile and dubbed over it so hey, no harm no foul

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      No. Too much work. Mic is in the mail tho.

    • @mattd1188
      @mattd1188 Рік тому +2

      I agree, Bobby is extremely likeable and has a good vibe that carries over into his videos. He's like that really cool friend who always gets invited.

  • @jakebennett2284
    @jakebennett2284 Рік тому +16

    I would love to see more short instructional videos like this! Great delivery of information and great video quality!

  • @allenshipman
    @allenshipman День тому

    Thanks Bobby. I really appreciate the info you put out there. Although I know some of it, it is always nice to hear other methods that others use. I have learned quite a bit watching your videos. You explain things that even a 5 year old could understand. Great job.

  • @deslomator
    @deslomator Рік тому +2

    Some people will have an easier time ascending if they pull with the hand opposite to the foot they're using to push. Having a left-handed ascender like yours is a good fit for the grigri being right-handed.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      Yes, I have found little tweeks help improve efficiency on most ascending systems.

  • @LongWalker730
    @LongWalker730 Рік тому +2

    This is pretty much the method I use when I rapp into a canyon I'm not sure I can hike out of. Set a fixed line and if I can't hike out I just go back and ascend on guide mode. I haven't tried an ascender! Seems really nice to use.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      An ascender and footloop change it from a heinous amount of work to no big deal.

  • @dbiulh
    @dbiulh Рік тому +6

    This stuff is super interesting and just makes me more stoked on the sport! No clue if I'll ever use it but always good to know how-to in the offchance. Top-notch quality Bobby and happy to see you've started your own channel!

  • @kraftzion
    @kraftzion Рік тому +5

    I've watched probably all the how not 2 videos just because rigging interests me. Never going to rock climb or high line. That being said, I own a couple of harnesses, plenty of good rope, caribeners, etc. Use them once in a while to trim or remove trees from the yard. I liked this , would like to see more aka what is the more efficient methods that require more gear? My favorite trick I have never seen on any channel: 1/2 of a 2 piece fishing rod with a 1 Oz sinker will put a line over most limbs easy. Attach your tag line, pull it, then attach your rope. If your in the pacific north west, you might have to use the whole rod:)

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +3

      Hmm, I haven't seen the fishing pole for trees. Sounds like an obvious solution when you say it. I hung out with a tree gut recently and was just so impressed by what he could do with a throw bag. Like magic tricks, jumping from one branch to another and coming right back to him.

  • @jakehuntley1440
    @jakehuntley1440 Рік тому +3

    Bobby is who I want to be when I grow up. Love the videos, keep them coming

  • @LoveAndClimbing
    @LoveAndClimbing Рік тому +4

    The last thing you said, that there are more efficient ways to ascend a rope but this is an appropriate way for climbers, is spot on! I learned "rope walking" technique from an arborist and it's literally as easy as walking up stairs once it's set up... but it requires an ankle ascender, a knee ascender, two stirrups with an extension for the knee ascender, elastic to keep the knee ascender taut, and a third ascender for progress capture, and after all that, it can't descend! When rock climbing we aren't ascending the rope much, so it makes very little sense to carry all that gear on the off chance we need to ascend.
    The system in this video is basically what I use for ascending, but I'm only ascending in rescue situations or to avoid a rescue situation occurring, so I use a micro traxion instead of the ascender. The ascender (or the Petzl Basic you recommended) are obviously better ascenders, but the micro traxion is smaller/lighter (which matters since I'm not likely to use it) and it's more versatile (the pulley can be used for hauling).
    If I'm single-pitching, I actually don't even carry the micro traxion, so I'd have to use my Prusik that I have for rappelling for the "ascender"--I've practiced with that in the gym, and it's *awful* for ascending, but I've never had to use it in the field because with single pitch you can just lower. The pragmatics of the situation just don't warrant carrying a separate device for me.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Totally. I just got to use the ropewalker system with a Unicender. Which allows you to go down super easy. Amazing, but it is $1000 worth of kit to rope wqlk like that.
      Micro trax is great. I usually have one in my kit.

  • @matiascamprubi-soms7719
    @matiascamprubi-soms7719 Рік тому +3

    Man, this is a video that I have been wanting, without specifically knowing that this was the video I wanted to see. As an arborist, I really appreciate the perspective of wanting to keep the gear to a minimum and finding ways to accomplish the job efficiently.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      Glad I could help! Lots of ways to do this better as an arborist but it sure beats a blakes hitch.

  • @mushthegreat
    @mushthegreat Рік тому +1

    So happy you have a page an are posting videos, fastest sub in my life. So excited to see where this goes.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Thanks for the Sub. I am enjoying the process of creating these videos.

  • @danieldobrick8957
    @danieldobrick8957 Рік тому +11

    I'm super happy you're making videos Bobby! I've been trying to come up with an accession system that I can keep with me on any multi-pitch I do and I think the Petzl Basic is exactly what I need!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Sweet. When someone showed me how well you could grip the top of the latest generation of Basic it blew my mind.

    • @Nihilimus
      @Nihilimus Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 I've never used the Petzl Basic. What are the advantages compared to something like the Tibloc? You could grip the carabiner, right?

    • @patrickbeauchemin110
      @patrickbeauchemin110 Рік тому

      @@Nihilimus The Tibloc has more chance to rip the rope I heard,

  • @johngo6283
    @johngo6283 Рік тому +1

    “A Slippy a grippy and clippy”, I love it! ❤

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Our friend uses that training firefighters. I thought it was great so I commandeered it.

  • @randallladd2370
    @randallladd2370 Рік тому +1

    I love this man's stoke. He has a build similar to mine which is rare to find in this space.

  • @ASR_385
    @ASR_385 Рік тому +1

    Hi Bobby, great to see you putting up concise quality videos. One suggestion would be to either add affiliate or gear links of some sort to the recommendations you have. While I may have all the stuff you mentioned, I suspect your content will help many new and aspiring climbers which may need to purchase the gear themselves.

  • @baconpie8999
    @baconpie8999 Рік тому +3

    Super excited for the future of this channel. Content is great off the bat.

  • @dirtydogvideo
    @dirtydogvideo Рік тому +1

    just found your videos. i dont climb but enjoy learning about techniques and equipment. i enjoy your teaching style. subbed.

  • @123asd4221
    @123asd4221 Рік тому +6

    Great video Bobby! Love your calm and wholesome kind of energy

  • @dannyCOTW
    @dannyCOTW Рік тому +7

    This has to be one of the best compromises between simplicity and efficiency. I've seen this system called the RAD system in tree climbing. And it wasn't until I started doing tree work that I realized how few options work for both going up and down a rope!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +3

      I just got to play with a Unicender and Akimbo with a tree guy and was shocked at how well they go up and down.
      What does RAD stand for, do you know. I always call it a grigri 3 to 1, but there must be a better name.

    • @OhMiggeee
      @OhMiggeee Рік тому +1

      Is that the same as the petzl RAD system? Cause I thought that RAD stood for rescue and descent

    • @dannyCOTW
      @dannyCOTW Рік тому +1

      @@OhMiggeee I'd never heard of the petzl system before! I heard this 3 to 1 system called RAD in another youtube video. So maybe I'll stop believing everything I see on the internet!

    • @JonathanCamp
      @JonathanCamp Рік тому +2

      @@bobbyhutton1989 I think rapid ascent and descent.

    • @macmurfy2jka
      @macmurfy2jka Рік тому

      I prefer practicing to do this with an ATC Guide or stitching plate and some friction hitches as my primary way to do this. More versatile.
      I can repel on a single rope or on two. Considering the most likely scenario that I can see for needing this on a normal rappel.

  • @kolinpauli5862
    @kolinpauli5862 Рік тому +3

    Bobby you're a legend, I was practicing this on a tree during the fall and I did not know about putting the carabiner through the top of the ascender like that!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      Putting an oval in those top holes is a trick I learned in the last few years. Definitely makes a difference. I used to give away oval's bc i didn't like them, now i pick up any i can find for cheap.

  • @NationOfGuam
    @NationOfGuam Рік тому +2

    Hey Bobby, absolutely PHENOMENAL audio. kudos to your audio system.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Ha ha ha. I cheated and ran it thru an AI program from Adobe. Amazing technology, I almost reshot bc the original audio was so bad. A mic is in the mail.

  • @chrispappas8447
    @chrispappas8447 Рік тому +2

    You’re killing it Bobby! Keep up the good work!

  • @Lew114
    @Lew114 Рік тому +1

    Love these. You remind me of my first mentor back in the day. Thanks.

  • @vincentminutelli3454
    @vincentminutelli3454 Рік тому +1

    Hell yeah Bobby!! This video is super to the point and useful, and even learned some new words haha

  • @TheRopeAccessChannel
    @TheRopeAccessChannel Рік тому +2

    Clear explanation and a good build up to how you get to the system. In rope access (and some other industries as well) we call this the RADS system. Which stands for Rapid Ascent Descent System.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Thanks. Yeah we touched on it briefly getting our Level 1.

    • @TheRopeAccessChannel
      @TheRopeAccessChannel Рік тому +3

      @@bobbyhutton1989 yeah, I usually keep it in the back pocket to teach to people who physically have a hard time ascending and changing between ascend and descent. It’s also the basis for if you need to ascent with a casualty taught at L2/L3. In IRATA that is. Not sure about SPRAT.

  • @oldmanbeta
    @oldmanbeta Рік тому +2

    Great stuff! Keep it coming! And congrats on the new channel!

  • @btyler1988
    @btyler1988 Рік тому +1

    Super Bobby! Keep up the good work!!

  • @benreeve6094
    @benreeve6094 Рік тому +1

    careful bobby, the internet doesn't like when people use "humbled" that way haha.
    I so enjoyed all your walkthroughs on the HowNot2 channel. Can't wait for more!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for that.
      Glad you are enjoying the content.

  • @mattd1188
    @mattd1188 Рік тому

    I was today years old when I found out that I needed your speech impediment in my life.
    Oh, and the information is good, too.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Not sure how I feel about that, but thanks.

    • @mattd1188
      @mattd1188 Рік тому +1

      @@bobbyhutton1989 Hey man, if you ever need some direction making strangely awkward simi-anonymous comments on the internet, I'm your guy.
      😁

  • @dirtbikeman828
    @dirtbikeman828 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video I’m a beginner and it very easy for me to understand everything your doing very good job

  • @verifiedhandle9103
    @verifiedhandle9103 Рік тому

    Praise Bobby’s Magic! Much respect for all you do

  • @montanaranger7376
    @montanaranger7376 Рік тому

    Thank you for everything you do. Greetings from Montana.

  • @joshb693
    @joshb693 Рік тому +1

    Great video, super clear and to the point. I love this method for photography as it allows me to get up to my shot quick, and I can quickly lower and adjust as needed. I generally do it with the “fixed line” method and have also done it with the “self anchor” you mention, but this causes the rope to run on your hands sometimes, ouch.
    Four cool things I’ve been taught and use as well:
    - tie off a large catastrophe knot if you go hands free mid-rope and you need to grab some shots, despite the grigri’s brake assist.
    - setting up your system with a static line makes ascending much faster than doing this on a dynamic rope. Especially if your taking photos all day!
    - wear gloves if your doing a lot of ascending.
    - tying a BHK to fix your line is a nice little way to add a small touch of “redundancy” to your anchor point if there’s any concern of rope rub, after all you’ll be on a single line anyway…
    *im not a guide, I’m a hobbyist!*
    Loving the Bobby content keep it up!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      Thanks.
      All good points.
      I use this method for filming as well.

  • @GamingAegis
    @GamingAegis Рік тому +1

    Simple and effective, already knew all taught but gotta always check out a new Bobby video

  • @sunburntbone
    @sunburntbone Рік тому +2

    Instant sub as soon as I saw your channel

  • @Byersplace
    @Byersplace Рік тому +1

    Lol I was so distracted by how clear your audio is. Had to start over for the content 😂
    Thank you. Great vid. Super helpful. I keep a rope man and carabiner with a pulley in it on my harness when weigh isn’t an issue. For this and some other uses. Same setup though.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      ha ha ha. I cheated. Adobe has an AI the cleans everything up to make your voice clear. pretty amazing but it clipped the end of some of my words.
      I have used micro traxions for this system as well. Way more efficient but you have to switch devices to go down.

  • @agichoote1003
    @agichoote1003 Рік тому

    Good luck with your own channel Bobby ! been pleasure learning from you!

  • @nicoroulet7308
    @nicoroulet7308 Рік тому +3

    Great video! One question: in this setup, the Grigri's brake hand side of the rope ends up going up rather than down, and the Grigri itself is a single point of failure if you were knocked out while doing this. Is this a concern at all? The Grigri clearly works this way in practice but I think the user manual mentions in a few parts that it's not ideal (e.g. when belaying a second directly off the anchor)
    Thanks for the content!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      It is always safer to have a back up system. I recommend a secondary rope with a fall arrest device.

  • @andressegaromontull1777
    @andressegaromontull1777 Рік тому +1

    Congratulations on all the videos from Spain. It is very cute and educational! They are so well explained and done that we hope you will do many more! Thank you

  • @jamesnater1
    @jamesnater1 Рік тому

    When I tr rope solo I bring a petzl microscender, microtraxion, and grigri with a few slings and a PAS. I jug just like in this video. I used to bring a whole ascender but realized it's just dead weight. I jugged up the rope like this at the headwall of mount erie last year after realizing I had rapped down the wrong route.

  • @eatmyskitle
    @eatmyskitle Рік тому

    this came up on my feed and i'm glad it did. so glad seeing you're making videos!

  • @samlawrence7040
    @samlawrence7040 Рік тому +2

    Fantastic content as always Bobby, you are wise beyond your years

  • @chriscox6463
    @chriscox6463 Рік тому +1

    Super glad to see you making videos! Would love to see a "Bobby Approved" top rope solo setup.

  • @angelvis9
    @angelvis9 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video. It's super good enough, if I may add something It would be a tether/ PAS or something to connect while switching from ascend to descend modes.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      Why? You are not switching devices. If you trust your device going up and down why wouldn't you trust it when it is backed up from slipping with a knot while you remove the ascender(which you are not connected to in this system.).
      A PAS or equivalent is a must if you want to stay cliped in if you switch devices or unclip from the rope at height.

  • @codblkops85
    @codblkops85 Рік тому +2

    You do an excellent job of explaining. Videos are easy to follow. As an arborist I will try some new things after seeing this video to see about improving efficiency 👌

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Thanks, I always figure arborists always know more about going up ropes than I do.

  • @Orion_5764
    @Orion_5764 Рік тому

    man i would see more vides from you bobby. i like the personality and style a hell of alot

  • @tinkeringengr
    @tinkeringengr Рік тому

    Happy to support your channel!

  • @DantesChronicOdyssey
    @DantesChronicOdyssey Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for sharing this. I really like the minimal gear that you used! I have been climbing over 6 years now and it's not every day that I learn something new that I would actually implement.

  • @alexmorano3334
    @alexmorano3334 Рік тому +1

    Good info! Probably a good idea for all climbers to have an ascender in their pack for these emergency situations. Really good tip about using an atc in guide mode. I never even thought about that, surely could’ve prevented some stressful situations.

    • @somanayr
      @somanayr Рік тому

      I don’t think an ascender is needed - I keep two prussiks for just such situations. They’re more versatile and so much lighter

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      I started carrying an ascender as I end up using it so much, but prussic's are way lighter and fulfill the same function. I recorded a section with the hollow block but my audio got ruined.
      As a a guide I find my self giving people boosts with the system in the video.

    • @alexmorano3334
      @alexmorano3334 Рік тому

      Good point!

  • @irishryano
    @irishryano Рік тому

    Love the video! Thanks for posting them
    Can’t wait to see what’s next

  • @jonscheer5328
    @jonscheer5328 Рік тому +1

    I love that you're doing this to help people learn! Keep it up!

  • @hectoranchetta2297
    @hectoranchetta2297 Рік тому

    Great tutorial, Bobby! Keep it up

  • @timkirkpatrick9155
    @timkirkpatrick9155 Рік тому +1

    Really enjoying your posts! Very personable and understandable. Thank you!

  • @charanvantijn541
    @charanvantijn541 Рік тому

    Wow. Your third video, and the quality is superb. Some small details, which you will have seen yourself. Next improvement step maybe start with b-roll from the side or at a little more distance? Helps if you get out of frame when climbing a rope and tying a knot. Thanks for the really great audio. Clear as anything. As for the information, I learned a lot. Next one about efficient ways to climb a rope? You made me curious.

  • @willpuchalsky8900
    @willpuchalsky8900 Рік тому

    Thanks Bobby !

  • @Phoenixhunter157
    @Phoenixhunter157 Рік тому

    This is good stuff. Thank you Bobby

  • @lst1nwndrlnd
    @lst1nwndrlnd Рік тому

    Great setup

  • @scoo73r
    @scoo73r Рік тому

    This is great info. Keep it up!

  • @waynegriswold8953
    @waynegriswold8953 Рік тому

    great video! keep up the great work and you will have more subs than that other channel i have seen you on! ;)

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      ha ha ha. Unlikely. I am still very involved with Hownot2.

  • @hormones9710
    @hormones9710 Рік тому +1

    This is so good. Do more stuff dude.

  • @nate58765
    @nate58765 Рік тому

    Thanks Bobby

  • @vieuxacadian9455
    @vieuxacadian9455 Рік тому

    Great video .

  • @benhewitt97
    @benhewitt97 Рік тому

    Love this style of video and the way you present it bobby - thank you!

  • @joeheilm
    @joeheilm Рік тому

    Very helpful! Cheers

  • @lleberghappy
    @lleberghappy Рік тому

    Really nice video and content.
    Breaking stuff is all fun and games but here we learn how to use it!
    I enjoy the "rational" methods, What's efficient and available. If I knew that a pulley world increase efficiency then off I would use it. But it's not essential.
    Short and sweet!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it. All sorts of ways to make this system more efficient, but if I was to invest any more money I would just go with a frog system.

  • @cobrasvt347
    @cobrasvt347 Рік тому

    This is great info for those taking an interest in our lifestyle. 〽
    Thanks Bobby

  • @freesocialrockclimbing
    @freesocialrockclimbing Рік тому

    At SAREA they taught us to have a second point of attachment, ie sling/ cows tails from ascender to belay loop, this serves 2 purposes, 1 as a back up if grigri or carabiner fails, second function is it stops you descending out of reach of the ascender.
    Please check out my rope setup videos, and chuck a nice thoughtful comment on it. I've put a lot of effort into time efficiency in that setup

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Sure, doesn't hurt to do that. Not sure why the grigri needs a back up in that scenario vs belaying.

    • @freesocialrockclimbing
      @freesocialrockclimbing Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 more to back up the carabiner that attaches the grigri, see the rollout video in my playlist

  • @TheMilkMensch
    @TheMilkMensch Рік тому +3

    I use a similar setup, and I was wondering if there's a way to prevent losing progress on that slack as the grigri engages. I notice with myself and as you stand and pull, that there's a good leg of rope that doesn't make it through the progress capture. Would using a lower friction pulley solve it?

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      I find thin ropes close the the bottom size range of the grigri make the biggest difference.

  • @STCspartan21
    @STCspartan21 Рік тому

    love the video keep it up!

  • @calyx_kickflips1913
    @calyx_kickflips1913 Рік тому

    Great informative video Bobby, will be giving this a go next time I'm out 👌

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Have fun, remember to experiment with the length of foot loop and what hands you pull what with.

    • @calyx_kickflips1913
      @calyx_kickflips1913 Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 Will do, really enjoying these instructional vids Bobby. Had a 7 or so hiatus due to a chronic back injury. Back in the bouldering gym for a couple months now and building condition to eventually start some trad again 👌

  • @steejans
    @steejans Рік тому

    This is great!!

  • @adamreynolds3863
    @adamreynolds3863 Рік тому

    Thanks for that

  • @ryenschimerman2127
    @ryenschimerman2127 Рік тому

    Bobby, we're always down to go up, that's why we're here.

  • @briansanchez4767
    @briansanchez4767 10 місяців тому

    I feel like everyone as climbers should know this skills

  • @50StichesSteel
    @50StichesSteel Рік тому

    Great one Bobby.. I take it a little further and clip the Petzel carabiner with the bigger pulley wheel made into it. It's a nice big size to attach to the ascender. Really helps reduce friction and add even more help. Handy to have when making something to 1's and ascending the rope.. Do you ever see anyone using them as hangovers on highlines? The wider version pulley wheels made inside the carabiner.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      I love that petzl carabiner pulley.
      I believe they tried the originals on highlines but they damaged the webbing. Hangovers and Rollex's are obviously evolved from the carabiner pulley's. I am not aware petzl making a product that fufills that requirement for highliners.

    • @dumbcrumb879
      @dumbcrumb879 Рік тому

      Neat I never knew those carabiners existed. I dont think you could use it as a hangover as it has a curved profile instead of flat like a regular hangover.

    • @50StichesSteel
      @50StichesSteel Рік тому +1

      @@bobbyhutton1989 appreciate it!

    • @50StichesSteel
      @50StichesSteel Рік тому +1

      @Roman Yeah they are useful buggers. One thing I haven't tried is highlining so I wasn't sure if the line would conform Into the pulley or not..Maybe emergency use/ better then sliding on just an aluminum biner.

    • @50StichesSteel
      @50StichesSteel Рік тому +1

      @@dumbcrumb879 but they are used as hangovers for rope access/ rescue when traversing horizontal rope lines

  • @ShortyJenkans
    @ShortyJenkans Рік тому +1

    You should do an “over the top” video of mechanical advantage in this situation, say you had multiple pulleys on your harness, how high could you go? 5 to 1? 13 to 1? Or maybe Bobby to 1?

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      ha ha ha ha. I think reseting pully's would quickly become more difficult than ascending. But I might try it.

  • @Mike-B-Jackson
    @Mike-B-Jackson Рік тому

    While talking about anchoring the rope, you missed the 5th method (coincidentally my favorite method) - put both ends of the rope through a small rap ring, then tie both ends together. (If the rap ring is too large and the knot can squeeze through, just slide the ring up one side and pull a bight around it then tie an 8 behind it, then thread the other hanging rope through the ring). Next, pull the long side to send the knot and captured ring to the top. Climb on the taught end. When you go back down, you can reverse the process to retrieve your rope. Might make a fun video to see tested!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      ha ha ha. Great minds and all that. That is what I used off camera to fix the rope. I stand by my 4 methods. ;)

    • @Mike-B-Jackson
      @Mike-B-Jackson Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 haha! Nice. Tie off at base is good too, if there’s something to tie to. When tree climbing, it’s usually easier to just tie around the trunk I suppose. Of course, if you’re thrown over a branch, you don’t even need a ring - just thread one end through an 8 on a bight, then tie the ends together.
      Love your content! Keep it up!

  • @heritagejonery3879
    @heritagejonery3879 Рік тому

    I am a caver and we do this, usually when we are stuck but it can get pretty effective.
    The only thing we would do different is to put a lanyard/cows tail onto the assender for an extra back up. And obviously we would have a Rig or Stop rarther than a GriGri but in principle the same.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Do you use a back up on those devices when you are rappelling?

    • @heritagejonery3879
      @heritagejonery3879 Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 no, no back up at all, the Rig is very good and will catch you. I found it very hard to adjust to not even putting a lock on when you are hanging and trusting the mechanical lock but it makes work very easy.
      The stop should always be used with a braking Karabiner and will probably stop you if you let go. But it might also be more of a 'slow' than a 'stop' depending on your rope. Very wet and muddy 12mm rope it will grab very well cleaner thinner ropes not so much. Locking it off looks like a faff but becomes very instinctive and you don't need to tie any knots.
      With the new stop I would say it has lost all the advantages it had for cavers and a Rig would be a better and safer option now. The advantage was because ou squeezed it you could be a very narrow profile, the new one has a side leaver like the GriGri, Rig and ID so might as well just used a Rig.
      I would really recomend you give one a go for all your bolting work they are really nice, obviously heavier but once you have a bag of bolts and and SDS probably not noticable enough?

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      @@heritagejonery3879 Haven't played with the Stop yet, but have used the Rig extensively, both the original and the current model.
      The point I was trying to make was, a grigri and a rig don't need back up while rappelling, what changes that you would need to back them up with another device while ascending.

    • @heritagejonery3879
      @heritagejonery3879 Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 sorry I totally miss understood your question.
      Nothing, I don't surpose it matters at all, its was more just how I was tought so its what I do. I would definitely trust the devices on its own for sure.
      Generally my assender would just be permanently attached to my harness anyway so I couldn't really not do it like that.
      I surpose you could also argue that you might as well if you have a lanyard/cowstail on? Redundancy is always nice if possible isn't it 🤷‍♂️
      But not necessarily at all, sorry if it sound like a criticism that was not my intention at all I was just sharing my experiences.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      @@heritagejonery3879 Yeah, makes sense to me if you already have a lanyard. You have the potential to rub your rope on the lanyard if you redirect the rope thru the carabiner attaching the lanyard to the ascender. It took me a second to remember how they treat this situation in rope access. In that situation you already have the ascender attached to a lanyard bc most people would already be set up for what is basically a frog system. I don’t believe you would get called out by an evaluator if you didn’t have the lanyard connected to the ascender. You always have a back up on a second rope too.

  • @africansinclair
    @africansinclair Рік тому

    Im starting to add ovals to my gear now as well.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Not the best tool for every situation but they are really nice to have.

  • @bottomowashington
    @bottomowashington Рік тому

    thank you, you beautiful human :P

  • @brettwebb5615
    @brettwebb5615 Рік тому

    Tbh... I've found that system is the best for overhanging stuff while bolting! Cavers and arborists are trying to swing up and down to place a nuisanced bolt hole

  • @thematthewbox
    @thematthewbox Рік тому

    Since the brake strand of the grigri is redirected and there's no way to brake if the cam failed I'd argue that you should be tethered into the ascender as well.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Theoretically. Feel free to add that layer.
      In my opinion this system doesn't make the Grigri more prone to failure. In the unlikely event that a grigri failed you are only very slightly less in trouble than if the cam failed while belaying. If the cam pops out in either situation you are left desperately trying to hold the rope. If you completely loose grip in the grigri you are in a better situation ascending bc of the added friction of the redirects.
      If you really want to reduce risk add a second rope to another anchor and use a fall arrest device.

  • @dumbcrumb879
    @dumbcrumb879 Рік тому

    also good to know how to tie and use a VT prusik if you ever need a rudementary ascender and dont have one. Still amazed that its able to grab the rope even if its the same diameter.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      The VT family of friction hitches are amazing. Great point you could just cut a section of your rope and use it to ascend.

    • @LoveAndClimbing
      @LoveAndClimbing Рік тому +1

      I'm not seeing a lot of rock climbers carrying VT Prusiks yet--most people I see are carrying hollow blocks or homemade loops from rated accessory cord, for backing up rappels, so they'd have to use the regular old Prusik or Kleimheist. The VT Prusik has its advantages, so maybe it will catch on?

    • @dumbcrumb879
      @dumbcrumb879 Рік тому

      @@LoveAndClimbing I mean all that we normally use a friction hitch for in climbing is for a third hand and those two standard ones work just fine. I think just having the knowledge of how to tie a VT and how to use it to get out of sticky situations is more applicable for a standard multipitch climbing. I suppose you could also use a VT for your third hand. Its just kind of long and might get in the way.

  • @LachlanBradfordWest
    @LachlanBradfordWest Рік тому

    Hey Bobby, I just spent yesterday with my partner practicing exactly this. Although I think I overcomplicate it.
    I was using two dumars then the gri gri as a progress capture. Also with a redirect. But I had also two daisies for the dumars to harness and then the foot loop.
    I think the issue was simply just too much going on, and the potential for soft goods to rub due to proximity.
    Is it ridiculous to use the dumar on the redirected rope as leverage instead? Have you heard of this set up before? Cheers dude. Love your videos.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      In my experience an ascender on the redirect strand just gets in the way, the rope is moving thru the devices a a different rate and the second jumar gets jammed every several strokes and needs to be reset.

    • @LachlanBradfordWest
      @LachlanBradfordWest Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 I figured that might be the case.
      Cheers

  • @utar88utar
    @utar88utar Рік тому

    it's a good technic.

  • @choss0
    @choss0 Рік тому +1

    Do you have a hookup on where you can get the cheapest Titen stainless steel concrete screws? Most places I'm seeing are around $5 for one even buying in bulk.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +2

      That is the cheapest I find them as well. Don't buy in bulk until you are sure they work well in your rock.

  • @error.418
    @error.418 Рік тому

    slippy, grippy, clippy, slinky. got it 👍

  • @ConRoen
    @ConRoen Рік тому

    You might look at a Blakes hitch system for an even more simple way to ascend a rope. only thing you need is the rope and some knot knowledge. the only problem is that the rope will pass over what ever you are anchored to at the top( like your doing at 0:45) foot locking removes the need for an ascender device.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      I have used the blakes with foot locking. Efficient I was not. The foot locking is a rad trick. I would never use it if I had another option.

    • @ConRoen
      @ConRoen Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 I climbed trees professionally only on the Blakes hitch for 2 years, and I would agree that its not super efficient but it will get you out of a pinch. Thankfully I've moved on to a rope wrench SRT system . Blakes can be fast if your good at hip thrusting and are strong. I'm digging your video's so far I like seeing the rock side of climbing, trees are so straight forward

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      Ha ha ha. Hip thrust. Also key to this system. I couldn't figure out how to bring it up in a family friendly way.

  • @nartatarta8651
    @nartatarta8651 Рік тому

    Very well made video loved it! Just a tip that Im sure youve never noticed. If you continue to make videos in the future try and use “um” less and less over time. Its a very small thing but It will make your videos alot more appealing to listen to because youve got a great voice! GREAT VIDEO!!

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      You should have seen all the Ums I edited out. Working on removing that "i'm processing" word from my vocabulary. Thanks for the way you phrased that feedback.

  • @jasonbowers4388
    @jasonbowers4388 Рік тому

    That's RAD....S!

  • @Lukwl
    @Lukwl Рік тому

    Very informative thanks 👍
    Do i have to fix the rope to something if i am using an atc in guide mode and an prusik on top?
    I would insert two strands into the atc and tie the prusik around both.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      No need to fix if you are pulling both ropes thru.

  • @Nate_dumb
    @Nate_dumb Рік тому +1

    Hey bobby was watching one of ryans episodes where he went through his gear wall and he had these cool link cams and was wondering is he ever gonna do a break test on those or no cause i don’t think they make them anymore

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      I think if someone sent him some he might. There is hope for Link cams as I understand someone bought all the Omega Pacific IP.

  • @briskoaverett5573
    @briskoaverett5573 Рік тому

    What are your thoughts on the wild country rope man? Have you used one? How does it compare to the petzl basic? Final question. Using the petzl ascender you have in the video I noticed you redirect through your oval biner for MA. And your foot loop is clipped to the lower point on your ascender. How if using the rope man or petzl basic? Would you go about rigging the same set up. Mechanical Advantage and footloop from the single hole? Thanks for the amazing content here and over on howNOT2.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      The ropeman is going to be easier to use than a friction hitch, but not nearly as comfortable to pull on as the Basic.
      My thought is I want the redirect as high as I can bc I get a longer pull which means less resetting.
      With a device like the ropeman that only has room for one carabiner you should use a second carabiner to avoid rubbing your rope against your foot loop. That carabiner can get in the way.
      The Basic has a spot for a carabiner at the top and enough room for 2 carabiners in the lower hole.

  • @NoahR-di1nu
    @NoahR-di1nu Рік тому +1

    Just to check, there is no problem with loading the top hole in the accender instead of the bottom? - Only ever seen the top hole used to stop it coming off the rope so wasn't sure if it was bad practise to weight it with something like the grigri redirect etc

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      No Problem I have heard of. I have Ascender 1000s of meters with this system.

    • @NoahR-di1nu
      @NoahR-di1nu Рік тому

      @@bobbyhutton1989 Cheers

  • @elverticalvaquero
    @elverticalvaquero Рік тому

    Got any tips on an efficient top rope solo set up? I’ve acquired two micro traxions, would like your opinion on “toothed” devices.

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +3

      Hmm, could be an interesting project to shoot a TRS video. Have you spent much time with Yann Camus's content. He would be my source if I was curious about anything TRS.
      A general rule is to use 2 different devices so the same issue doesn't compromise both devices. The Micro or Nano traxion is definitely one if the most used TRS devices.
      Toothed devices in general only compromise the rope sheath. Some other device can pinch the rope until it cuts. Hownot2 has a video where ryan falls 20 ft onto a micro trax.

  • @willparker1404
    @willparker1404 Рік тому

    Could you do a YT short on how to clip a clove hitch onto a carabiner with one hand?

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      I feel like every climbing content creator has done that. I will take a look.

    • @LoveAndClimbing
      @LoveAndClimbing Рік тому

      Huh, I just looked around UA-cam and realized there's a bunch of videos on how to tie the one-handed clove, but the way I do it is much simpler. Maybe I'll make a video if Bobby doesn't beat me to it!

  • @permapunter
    @permapunter Рік тому

    more bobby edutainment pls.

  • @Alvinyokatori
    @Alvinyokatori Рік тому

    Hey Bobby what kind of chain should I buy for anchors ? I’m gonna need a lot so looking for lightweight but bomber

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому +1

      I try to avoid making anchors that need chain, but when I can't I use Stainless. Zink plated chain can kill off lichens and moss and leave behind obvious streaks. Non SS chain eventually rusts and stains the rock.
      Make sure the chain can fit whatever quick links you are planning to use. Large links are nice for cliping carabiners into as well. Check the rated strength. Any quality chain rated above 25kn or 5000 lbf should work.

  • @schwiftyoliver77
    @schwiftyoliver77 Рік тому

    "Meat anchor" lol

  • @tomtom4405
    @tomtom4405 Рік тому

    Great video Bobby, be aware that viewed on a phone in landscape it was hard to read some of the in-video text you added. Very minor just mentioning for future content. For example "yes jugging too" cut the yes when I watched. Just a suggestion not a grumble - brilliant vid

    • @bobbyhutton1989
      @bobbyhutton1989  Рік тому

      Weird. No idea why that would be the case. does your phone resize or crop videos when you turn it to landscape?