Only in 2 minutes and I'm telling ya: these are fake. Way too well centered, even the holo-stamp is within the designated area. Too high quality to be coming from WotC...
You should destroy a real (cheap) standard rare on camera so we can see the difference with the core and the holo-stamp. Maybe one of the split cards you love so much.
Interesting detail: The holostamp on those counterrfits all have the Planeswaler symbol centered (freeze @4:16). On real cards the patten is a bit more random and not as consistently centered.
Yeah, also, look at the edges of the holo stamp. On these they look slightly more rough, like the edges of a sticker that was punched out of a sheet and stuck there. While real holo stamps are very flat and smooth and don't look like a little sticker.
I'm pretty sure of the 2 major printers they use currently, one uses blue core and the other uses a more purple-ish core. I was comparing cards today and you can actually tell the difference by the tint of the oval on the back of the card when shining light through it (and then I tore them apart to see one distinctly blue and the other with a more purple hue). Also, one of the modern printers makes the cards much thicker and more waxy where as the other has a more matte finish. Flicking the corner yields different "thunk" sounds, too. The light test works well on modern cards + visual inspection. Fascinating stuff
The question would be can the counterfeiter turn a profit from the card. The reason we don't see many 1 or 5 dollar counterfeit bills is the cost of making it would require massive production or little to no returns. I can see it being easier/cheaper with magic cards but I would side with the other commenter and say they were created around the 30 dollar peak.
@@notaraven I highly disagree, you can buy sets of "proxies" for like 1-2 $ a card, buying for 1$ and sell for 5$ seems a lot of profit, even buy for 2$ and sell for 4$ in bulk seems good to me.
@@terryfeynman thanks for the clarification. I do not know much on the pricing of proxies, so I am probably over estimating the costs. I will counter with the scaling and logistics that comes with selling fake cards comes with some hidden overhead but I would need to look into it to state anything definitive
My country's currency, GBP (used in the UK), the most commonly counterfeited was the £1 coin, because yeah, who the fuck expects such a low amount to be fake? Not sure how it is now since they redesigned it and released a new coin the other year. But nobody is faking £50 notes here because they're not commonly circulated (it's our highest denomination) and EVERYONE checks them for fakes anyway.
@@GenkiTheEthical Philippines mtg players are well known of scammer in SEA, you have to be very careful and sometimes demand full upfront payment before doing any business with them.
i use proxies but i would never sell or trade them for real price thats not cool for any player or collector i think us as actual magic players should never do that!
Rudy, could you check with a magnifying glass if the light reflection of the green mana symbol on the back has the red dots in it? Would be interesting if those counterfeits are that good. (Thats how ich check my cards)
I never would have expected that. I'm going to have to look more closely at my ebay purchases going forward. Not cool considering what I'm spending on these cards.
@@daddyleporc3475 cool dismissive comment... i've only been seeing commander, reserved list and modern bootlegs in my personal experience. never saw a bootleg arclight before, mr actually.
It's a byproduct of the other counterfeiting operations existing. If your already set up to print cards that real in sleeves... why not print them if you have people asking for them
One correction Rudy. Proxy != Counterfeit. They are completely different. Proxy... a clearly-fake stand in. Not meant to deceive, only meant to be used in play. Counterfeit... a card making it's absolute best attempt to be passed off as a real card. Can be used like a proxy, but more likely made to scam SOMEBODY.
Been playing magic for only a few years now, all proxy cause that’s the cube I was introduced to I don’t want to drop a bunch of cash for cards. I think I have a much more enjoyable time playing with my proxy ugin or karn than I would if I spent 300 for a standard legal deck that I would of had to keep updating to stay relevant. If you enjoy playing magic you should be in favor of proxies cause they allow more people to play and they allow people to build the decks they want to play with, without proxies magic would lose players that really do love playing magic just as much as the people with the real cards.
I once opened a Narset, Enlightened Master from a KTK booster only to eventually have the holo stamp literally fall off the card. You could see the indentation on the card where it was.
Hey rudy, i doubt you remember but a few years ago i emailed you about some possibly fake aether revolt packs. (the sealing on the back of the packs was different) i did a lot of digging and sometimes the belgium print factory makes English cards. The light test looks way different and the texture of the cards is different too.
Useful video, especially the holofoil on the surface not flush. checked some of my 'expensive' cards and all ok except some from 2017 Modern Masters...the holofoil is not raised but seems imperceptibly RECESSED below the surface of the card. Definitively not on top of the card / raised. Anyone come across this?
Same first impression. Didnt know the counterfeits are that good. Even with the holo. Thougth they would try to counterfeit older cards without holo and high value. :O
I'm glad you said something about the made in Japan glossy ones cause I bought 2 4 pack boxes of Battlebond from walmart the other day and the package said made in Japan but they felt and looked weird
Dear Rudy, I would like to start investing in magic reserved list cards. I have some cards picked out, but I can't afford all of them and don't know which ones will be better to get. I'm currently looking at getting both revised tropical island and bayou or chains of mephistopheles. they are around the same price but I'm uncertain on which would be the better financial move down the road. Could you please make a video about this topic (If you haven't already). It would help me make a decision on what to get. Thanks Rudy :)
Couple of thoughts from myself, Colonel Timmy. First, thank you for this video Rudy. I feel like this is an eye opener for some people who now have to worry about freaking standard and pioneer counterfeits. Second, HOLY CRAP. I actually have to worry about literally any card being a fake now
Wes Hart You don’t have to worry about literally any card being counterfeited. Arclight Phoenix is counterfeited because it used to be a viable modern deck and was worth a lot more when the counterfeiters started printing them. They do print cards fairly quickly after they are released though, so cards in standard can definitely be counterfeited. However, the counterfeits have gotten A LOT better now. Most of them no longer have the sticker holo stamp and have it embedded in the card, just like official WOTC cards do. There’s two ways to always tell a counterfeit: the texture (it will always be super smooth and waxy) and the green dot test (should see 4 red dots in a “L” shape on the green mana symbol on the back of the card). Invest in a $8 jeweler’s loupe and you’ll always be able to immediately confirm if a card is real or not.
What is one or the two savest and easiest ways to see if a mtg card is fake if you are not a specialist/pro but a timmy/noob to identify fake cards you get per mail? I mostly only buy sealed stuff from my trusted seller but sometimes a good offer or a few cheap cards online instead of the 40% higher store price is nice and sadly a must. And I am scared of having fakes. not because of resellling or stuff but I just want the real deal.
Anyone remember those double-faced Ixalan cards that could appear to be fake, but were actually genuine? The cards were so thin and flimsy, and they were constructed more like tokens. I wonder what went wrong there?🤔
Very cheap print run to reduce costs, the regular cards were of a similiar quality and they all look like fakes lol. I still have a bunch of commons/uncommons, the artwork is somewhat faded and the colours look washed out.
In the process of building an edh deck 4 of the 50 cards that I ordered on tcg turned out to be counterfeit and while three were from the same seller, it's still crazy to receive that many. Watch out people and check your cards.
I dont think the holo stamp coming off is a good example I have a grim haruspex that I got out of a pack that didn't come with a holostamp but it did have the holostamp indented.
I had the fortune of growing up around printing presses and handled a lot of paper, I work as a cashier now and when ya come across fake or altered bills you can tell by the feel of it first. I’d like to see some of Rudy’s fakes he’s saved up and see if it’s the same with them.
James Bishop Yes, there are plenty of counterfeit foils but often they don’t have a 1:1 match of the foiling, so a keen eye can immediately tell. I would like to see Rudy do a video on counterfeit foils.
It's an akward situation when you trade for fakes. I don't go to GPs or Magic fests but shortly after one ended all the players from my LGS who went to one had come back with new trades. One person who is very trustworthy had come to the store. We took cards from the others binders and agreed a trade. Whilst desleeving and returning his sleeves I noticed one of the lands were fake. I just told him I wasn't confortable taking it and said they should get it checked out although I knew it was fake. We had someone wander into the store a few years ago who I'd never seen before or since who only had fake cards. The fakes are bad too. Didn't even need to get as far as taking out of the sleeve and feeling / inspecting it. There are two types of people.
Has anyone ever gotten fake cards from one of the major online sellers? Considering buying some of reserved list cards due to the lower price atm. I'm worried about getting fakes because I probably won't be able to tell
I've seen these 'proxies' as counterfeit producers call them before, and the stamps compromise the authenticity of these cards right away. The stamp shine is much more dull and they also look raised. Not sure how anyone can confuse these fakes with real cards.
Rudy surely know more than me and than most of us, but what if Wotc changed their cards manufacturers and materials and in doing so the card got glossy and the stamp changed too ? Has this kind of thing ever happened in the history of magic ? By that i mean, big difference in printing.
dragonmares59110 Wotc normally makes some kind of announcement when it comes to adjusting printing. Sometimes of their own volition (like when the stamp first started appearing), other times it’s because the community notices and starts asking tons of questions. Even the glossier cards from war of the spark have a bit of texture to them while you can see that on the back of these cards they are super smooth with a thick gloss like a deck of playing cards.
He's of the opinion that they're better off destroyed/left with him so they aren't in circulation to possibly scam other people. Which is completely understandable. Things like black lotus fakes/proxies I don't really see the issue with since you'd have to be a moron to take it as real at face value without doing proper checks, cards more like this where average joe can get screwed, I get it. Edit: I'm sure someone will state fake = intent to scam and proxy = casual play, doesn't really matter.
I have a vintage cube, table top at home. Proxy power 9, JTMS, etc. I agree, I'd have to be completely delusional to try to sell a fake beta black lotus and not think I will get caught. I just want to play magic at its original power level with friends and family.
Please scam me, Rudy
on which taco? :D
Max your mashup with MeatCanion is gold
Max, you should upload again. It's been a month!
Hell yeah! We got a legend in the comments hope your doing well maxmoefoe!!
Maxmoefoe Alpha investments collab when?
Only in 2 minutes and I'm telling ya: these are fake.
Way too well centered, even the holo-stamp is within the designated area. Too high quality to be coming from WotC...
LMFAO
Ahahahah
Watch out for this unironically in 3 years time.. lul.
You should destroy a real (cheap) standard rare on camera so we can see the difference with the core and the holo-stamp. Maybe one of the split cards you love so much.
A good comparison would be great!
Interesting detail: The holostamp on those counterrfits all have the Planeswaler symbol centered (freeze @4:16). On real cards the patten is a bit more random and not as consistently centered.
Yeah, also, look at the edges of the holo stamp. On these they look slightly more rough, like the edges of a sticker that was punched out of a sheet and stuck there. While real holo stamps are very flat and smooth and don't look like a little sticker.
Rudy: "Do you think these are fake? comment below"
Also Rudy: *titles video* "Did I get SCAMMED? .....YES YOU DID"
YOU got scammed, but did this guy?
I'm pretty sure of the 2 major printers they use currently, one uses blue core and the other uses a more purple-ish core. I was comparing cards today and you can actually tell the difference by the tint of the oval on the back of the card when shining light through it (and then I tore them apart to see one distinctly blue and the other with a more purple hue). Also, one of the modern printers makes the cards much thicker and more waxy where as the other has a more matte finish. Flicking the corner yields different "thunk" sounds, too. The light test works well on modern cards + visual inspection. Fascinating stuff
No one expects your 5 dollar rare to be fake. Kinda smart. It's like a counterfeit $5 bill. I'm not going to expect that.
I mean this cards were 30 plus in their hayday but arclight is now like 5
The question would be can the counterfeiter turn a profit from the card. The reason we don't see many 1 or 5 dollar counterfeit bills is the cost of making it would require massive production or little to no returns.
I can see it being easier/cheaper with magic cards but I would side with the other commenter and say they were created around the 30 dollar peak.
@@notaraven I highly disagree, you can buy sets of "proxies" for like 1-2 $ a card, buying for 1$ and sell for 5$ seems a lot of profit, even buy for 2$ and sell for 4$ in bulk seems good to me.
@@terryfeynman thanks for the clarification. I do not know much on the pricing of proxies, so I am probably over estimating the costs. I will counter with the scaling and logistics that comes with selling fake cards comes with some hidden overhead but I would need to look into it to state anything definitive
My country's currency, GBP (used in the UK), the most commonly counterfeited was the £1 coin, because yeah, who the fuck expects such a low amount to be fake? Not sure how it is now since they redesigned it and released a new coin the other year. But nobody is faking £50 notes here because they're not commonly circulated (it's our highest denomination) and EVERYONE checks them for fakes anyway.
Hey Rudy? Is this Black Lotus legit? *Sends him a copy artifact card*
The return of Rudy’s tool
I got scammed out of $500 on cards a while ago and lost it forever. I learned a huge lesson that day.
Sorry that happen to you dude
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@@GenkiTheEthical Philippines mtg players are well known of scammer in SEA, you have to be very careful and sometimes demand full upfront payment before doing any business with them.
@Diss Raps Aww man.... That was.... Awkward
I hope he can remember who he got them from and call that goober out.
I'm a simple man, I see a Rudy video where someone asks if they got scammed, I press the F because I know the answer already.
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Rudy thinks Thursday is Sunday...he’s really starting to lose it.
Joseph S. There is are no sunsets or sundawns in basements
@@Frkr. you forgot the fifth time it rose
So, basically the counterfeiters made better Magic cards than Wizards.
Buying cheap nice proxies and counterfeits >>> buying most MtG products since 2019
That's the real lesson here.
Rudy Those Yugioh cards must be fake, they didnt even have a piccolo
Piccolo is from dragon ball zee
@ 5:05 "Rudy's tool has entered the CHAT, here..."
* Rudy's wife looking through hole in wall * "Giggidy"
It's also worth noting that the cards in prerelease kits are way different from the other printings.
i use proxies but i would never sell or trade them for real price thats not cool for any player or collector i think us as actual magic players should never do that!
I use proxies only to play old school after sell the originals ones and I'm happy with them too (18 years ago I played my last tournament)
Proxies are perfect for casual play and thats it. Trying to scam people with them is just scummy
This is why I'd always clearly mark a proxy so I don't accidentally put it back into my collection.
These are not proxies, these are counterfeits.
Rudy, could you check with a magnifying glass if the light reflection of the green mana symbol on the back has the red dots in it? Would be interesting if those counterfeits are that good. (Thats how ich check my cards)
Very informative video. Thank you for showing this. I’ll be doing a personal collection audit to make sure phony cards didn’t slip in.
Where do we buy Rudy’s tools? Mainly the light but I wouldn’t mind getting one of the other tools as well... multi use.
Justin Silvey Any hardware store. Literally ANY hardware store...
I never would have expected that. I'm going to have to look more closely at my ebay purchases going forward. Not cool considering what I'm spending on these cards.
Rudy and his tool tearing that stamp off gave me dentist vibes.
I want that play mat! Where did you get it?
Finally a man of culture speaks on proxies.
wow, they're counterfitting standard cards now... seems a good reason not to push cards so hard.
It's been going on for years but ok
@@daddyleporc3475 cool dismissive comment... i've only been seeing commander, reserved list and modern bootlegs in my personal experience. never saw a bootleg arclight before, mr actually.
It's a byproduct of the other counterfeiting operations existing. If your already set up to print cards that real in sleeves... why not print them if you have people asking for them
What do you mean push? I will push MTG all day, and expect counterfeiters to be considered chomos (age13+ toy), and actively pursued.
You might be a communist scared of profit....
Wow Rudy I’m sure soggy tacos ensued when that person saw the title
On the Teferi, the CMC White mana symbol looks very off also. It looks smaller than normal.
One correction Rudy. Proxy != Counterfeit. They are completely different.
Proxy... a clearly-fake stand in. Not meant to deceive, only meant to be used in play.
Counterfeit... a card making it's absolute best attempt to be passed off as a real card. Can be used like a proxy, but more likely made to scam SOMEBODY.
I would think people get this mixed because people are selling "proxies" which are obiously just fakes.
Been playing magic for only a few years now, all proxy cause that’s the cube I was introduced to I don’t want to drop a bunch of cash for cards. I think I have a much more enjoyable time playing with my proxy ugin or karn than I would if I spent 300 for a standard legal deck that I would of had to keep updating to stay relevant. If you enjoy playing magic you should be in favor of proxies cause they allow more people to play and they allow people to build the decks they want to play with, without proxies magic would lose players that really do love playing magic just as much as the people with the real cards.
Day 28 of commenting every day until rudy restocks T-shirts.
Please :(
Keep fighting the good fight!
Your committed I love it 💚
Stay the course!
Keep it up till he caves
I once opened a Narset, Enlightened Master from a KTK booster only to eventually have the holo stamp literally fall off the card. You could see the indentation on the card where it was.
Damn I have to check my dual from 15 years ago. I didn't think the Italian ones were faked. Is the phone flashlight useful for the scan? Cheers
Can you feel the difference while it is in the sleeve?
And it’s truly sad because this is a really fun game and if it was affordable I might still be playing it
Commander is a fun format that 25 to 50$ can get u a full deck.
Hey rudy, i doubt you remember but a few years ago i emailed you about some possibly fake aether revolt packs. (the sealing on the back of the packs was different) i did a lot of digging and sometimes the belgium print factory makes English cards. The light test looks way different and the texture of the cards is different too.
Useful video, especially the holofoil on the surface not flush. checked some of my 'expensive' cards and all ok except some from 2017 Modern Masters...the holofoil is not raised but seems imperceptibly RECESSED below the surface of the card. Definitively not on top of the card / raised. Anyone come across this?
No light at all going through the card. Dude could have easily avoided this by simply using his phone flashlight
looks real to me, funny how I can spot a fake yugioh card from a mile away but when it comes to mtg I'm lost
Same first impression. Didnt know the counterfeits are that good. Even with the holo. Thougth they would try to counterfeit older cards without holo and high value. :O
You know it's a good day when Rudy whips out his tool.
Is there a site to buy cheap proxies?
hey Rudy, i have found a counterfeit searing spear in my collection, why would they fake a 5 cent common?
I'm glad you said something about the made in Japan glossy ones cause I bought 2 4 pack boxes of Battlebond from walmart the other day and the package said made in Japan but they felt and looked weird
Dear Rudy, I would like to start investing in magic reserved list cards. I have some cards picked out, but I can't afford all of them and don't know which ones will be better to get. I'm currently looking at getting both revised tropical island and bayou or chains of mephistopheles. they are around the same price but I'm uncertain on which would be the better financial move down the road. Could you please make a video about this topic (If you haven't already). It would help me make a decision on what to get. Thanks Rudy :)
Couple of thoughts from myself, Colonel Timmy. First, thank you for this video Rudy. I feel like this is an eye opener for some people who now have to worry about freaking standard and pioneer counterfeits. Second, HOLY CRAP. I actually have to worry about literally any card being a fake now
Wes Hart You don’t have to worry about literally any card being counterfeited. Arclight Phoenix is counterfeited because it used to be a viable modern deck and was worth a lot more when the counterfeiters started printing them. They do print cards fairly quickly after they are released though, so cards in standard can definitely be counterfeited.
However, the counterfeits have gotten A LOT better now. Most of them no longer have the sticker holo stamp and have it embedded in the card, just like official WOTC cards do. There’s two ways to always tell a counterfeit: the texture (it will always be super smooth and waxy) and the green dot test (should see 4 red dots in a “L” shape on the green mana symbol on the back of the card). Invest in a $8 jeweler’s loupe and you’ll always be able to immediately confirm if a card is real or not.
4:16 Can anyone explain more about this ?
What is one or the two savest and easiest ways to see if a mtg card is fake if you are not a specialist/pro but a timmy/noob to identify fake cards you get per mail? I mostly only buy sealed stuff from my trusted seller but sometimes a good offer or a few cheap cards online instead of the 40% higher store price is nice and sadly a must. And I am scared of having fakes. not because of resellling or stuff but I just want the real deal.
Can you buy this play mat? I need it in my life
Jacob Leonard Who's in the mat?
Find the image on Google and send it to inkedgames( google them they make custom play mats USA based)
Thank you, Rudy.
Anyone remember those double-faced Ixalan cards that could appear to be fake, but were actually genuine? The cards were so thin and flimsy, and they were constructed more like tokens. I wonder what went wrong there?🤔
Some 'member
Very cheap print run to reduce costs, the regular cards were of a similiar quality and they all look like fakes lol. I still have a bunch of commons/uncommons, the artwork is somewhat faded and the colours look washed out.
Rudy cant you sell sets of anti counterfeit tools? like lamp/loop etc everything in 1 bundle?
I wanted to see if my foil sol ring was fake so I ripped it open looking for the color paper in the middle.
There was none
Anybody got an amazon link for that light being used to test the card?
Dear Rudy, god bless you man.
Does anyone know where I could buy Rudy's light, or what I should search for to find it online?
Just get a little LED flashlight from a dollar store. Does the exact same thing
I still want that playmat of the Bobs. Who makes it? Can I order one? Or do I have to get a custom job?
Its a custom playmat so thats the only route to get one.
Are there counterfeits of international Edition out there?
You offer bussines loans?
Man, makes me want to go back and look at all the cards I bought off Amazon.
In the process of building an edh deck 4 of the 50 cards that I ordered on tcg turned out to be counterfeit and while three were from the same seller, it's still crazy to receive that many. Watch out people and check your cards.
How do I know if my nicol bolas from core 19 is fake or real
Good morning Rudy!
I dont think the holo stamp coming off is a good example I have a grim haruspex that I got out of a pack that didn't come with a holostamp but it did have the holostamp indented.
I had the fortune of growing up around printing presses and handled a lot of paper, I work as a cashier now and when ya come across fake or altered bills you can tell by the feel of it first. I’d like to see some of Rudy’s fakes he’s saved up and see if it’s the same with them.
I saw some blue core fakes. They were way too thin and flimsy but the did have blue core paper.
Can foils be counterfeit? Don't think I've seen you do a vid on that.
James Bishop Yes, there are plenty of counterfeit foils but often they don’t have a 1:1 match of the foiling, so a keen eye can immediately tell. I would like to see Rudy do a video on counterfeit foils.
'It's not right of you can feel it' *Rudy keeps feeling it*
It may just have been me but I noticed something was off as soon as Rudy started trying to take them off the postal note. Really wobbly
best channel in youtube jungle
Thanks Bobs
Yo is that John Mcginley on the left?
Dude that is hands down my favorite playmat.
It's an akward situation when you trade for fakes.
I don't go to GPs or Magic fests but shortly after one ended all the players from my LGS who went to one had come back with new trades.
One person who is very trustworthy had come to the store.
We took cards from the others binders and agreed a trade.
Whilst desleeving and returning his sleeves I noticed one of the lands were fake.
I just told him I wasn't confortable taking it and said they should get it checked out although I knew it was fake.
We had someone wander into the store a few years ago who I'd never seen before or since who only had fake cards.
The fakes are bad too. Didn't even need to get as far as taking out of the sleeve and feeling / inspecting it.
There are two types of people.
Has anyone ever gotten fake cards from one of the major online sellers? Considering buying some of reserved list cards due to the lower price atm. I'm worried about getting fakes because I probably won't be able to tell
Ummm yea.. Soooo Rudy.. I'm going to have to have you come in on sunday.
Office space
Are you one of the Bobs? Lol
Yes!! Get the Bobs!!
I've seen these 'proxies' as counterfeit producers call them before, and the stamps compromise the authenticity of these cards right away. The stamp shine is much more dull and they also look raised. Not sure how anyone can confuse these fakes with real cards.
the mana sybmols on teferi gave it away.. imo
Where can I find fakes like this? I just want to proxy a few edh cards I have so I don't have to constantly unsleeve
Rudy surely know more than me and than most of us, but what if Wotc changed their cards manufacturers and materials and in doing so the card got glossy and the stamp changed too ? Has this kind of thing ever happened in the history of magic ? By that i mean, big difference in printing.
dragonmares59110 Wotc normally makes some kind of announcement when it comes to adjusting printing. Sometimes of their own volition (like when the stamp first started appearing), other times it’s because the community notices and starts asking tons of questions. Even the glossier cards from war of the spark have a bit of texture to them while you can see that on the back of these cards they are super smooth with a thick gloss like a deck of playing cards.
2:50 in and idk I’m going to say that they are real only if they are the Japan English version ones and fake if they are American lol
Found your channel yesterday, never played or collected! Been watching for about 12 hours straight. Hooked....I’m getting very worried 🤪
It's a fun game but be careful it can be very expensive lol
Bro, I've just received a perfect condition mr. T from Dominaria today. I had to check it 7 times just to make sure.
Real cards do have a slightly raise holo stamp. I feel for them when opening packs.
4 mins in prediction: As real as a Timmy's Hopes and Dreams.
*I pity the fool*
Thumbs up for the Office Space playmat ♥️
Whenever I watch a Rudy video about bootlegs I get a 3 minute commercial for MPC!! LOL
Here before t shirt restock comments.
What if scammers are sending you stuff to figure out if their fakes are good enough? Is rudy the quality control of fakes? haha
So if you catch fakes you dont give the cards back to the sender? I think i would still want them to play with at least
He's of the opinion that they're better off destroyed/left with him so they aren't in circulation to possibly scam other people. Which is completely understandable. Things like black lotus fakes/proxies I don't really see the issue with since you'd have to be a moron to take it as real at face value without doing proper checks, cards more like this where average joe can get screwed, I get it.
Edit: I'm sure someone will state fake = intent to scam and proxy = casual play, doesn't really matter.
NEVER BLOW OVER....
Look at the holo stamp should have mana symbols
Amazing playmat
Yo Rudy u need dat scanner!
Where do people get these fakes from? eBay? China?
I have a vintage cube, table top at home. Proxy power 9, JTMS, etc. I agree, I'd have to be completely delusional to try to sell a fake beta black lotus and not think I will get caught. I just want to play magic at its original power level with friends and family.
italy number one at counterfeit. such a nice record!
When I buy a proxy, I mark it with a Sharpie or a marker to remind me what's fake and what's not. Bad luck for Mr. Josh
+1 for "office space" playmate :)
Best playmat ever rudy
Damn, but it happens