You are right, but when I watch him play it seems to me that he is rather using kind of a Moeller-technique, an accent followed by an unaccented note that just happens. In my opinion when doing the drop catch the fingers are more active than they are performing 16th notes in the Moeller way, where the fingers follow the sticks more than manipulating it. I think he should have explained the difference between these two things in more detail.
@@dr.timschurig234 the differences are very subtle. I find moeller and drop catch on the hi hat are very similar, except with drop catch, you’re not really emphasizing the accent very much. Try this, play moeller on the hi hat, except try to keep the notes even in volume. I find you just end up playing drop catch.
@@dr.timschurig234 I highly recommend this video (and the whole series, for that matter) for an in-depth look at the open-close/drop-catch technique and how it differs from Moeller. ua-cam.com/video/ZdcRacflAps/v-deo.html
Nice technique, though one thing I am missing in this video is the detailed explanation and show-case of this technique: close ups on a hand and "physical" explanation on what should move, what shouldn't.
Right hand 16th has been that weak spot in my playing I've been trying to work on. I have plenty of other weaknesses, but none that are such an essential every day thing. Thanks for this video.
Yeah, you called it. I definitely dug that last one... Great lesson, love the philosophy of even if you aren't going to play it it's worth learning how to do it
Thanks for the drop catch .I have started to do it with shuffles but never thought to do it with straight notes .Mabey this is what Peter Erskine does on The Chicken song with Jaco Pastorious on bass .Thanks a lot .Backwards playing .......how wonderful host .Great show and are getting better and better .All the best from Australia .
Thanks for a great lesson and thank you for the transcript of the music. I'm already working on the beats, especially the last four. Also, thanks for the great videos. Your drum instruction is excellent, your comments and insights are extremely helpful and thought-provoking, and you're funny as heck.
That's a great technique. Funny thing - I have known about it for a long time, trying to recreate it myself without any luck. Then this dude showed me this thing as you on 02:40. I laughed, then stuck with it for a few days, and voila! It actually helped to find the right motion of a hand. Whip hands. Tube-man hands... It all makes sense only after you feel it. =) Wanted to give you feedback: Your mic either too close or the input volume too loud. Either way, the signal gets distorted. Love your vids.
I will take groove, soul, fun........over just pure technique.......... Purdie, Bonham, Porcaro, Stubblefield, Mouzon, Jackson Jr, Newmark, Modeliste......have been my favs for years for inspiration........
Greetings. 80-20. Other than Drumeo, you're my favorite. I like Beat Down Brown too cause he's a shuffle-king, like me. Funk to me, once meant Oakland Stroke, Cold Blood... Now, it's Incognito, Jamaican Funk. Boom E and. 🎶
Thanks for this, Nate. Embarrassed to say that I've been practicing the extraneous ridiculousness (2:45) for quite some time and not getting any better at it. Was beginning to feel like George Aaronow in Glengarry Glen Ross. "Something's wrong with me.... I... I can't push through."
ive spent an insane amount of time on moeller, push pull, and only through push pull did i understand drop catch. but only focusing on the catch note and not the drop note. physically, it feels like my fingers are supposed to have the independence to execute the drop note without my thumb tensing up at all, and naturally, that feels right. im sure there are plenty of drummers who learned drop catch first, and its nice to have a youtube comment section to think out loud about this. yeehaw!
the way i think of this is like if a shuffle on your right hand is flattened out. so the "pull" would be on the downbeat, and then your hand is doing the same motion for shuffle, swing, and 16th note patterns, where just the placement of the note changes the feel. this way you don't need to worry about if you're "dropping" or "pulling" on whatever up or downbeat cause it stays consistent.
Looks like a great way to play a double stroke roll too .... however I didn't catch where the drop and the Down beats are, even in slow Mo.Can anyone enlighten please 🤪
Hey nate, any thoughts on difference in sound/feel/use comparing 16th with drop/catch to 16th with moeller-whipping motion? I always felt more in control with moeller playing those hiphop/funk beats and use the drop/catch only for doubles. Any info is appreciated.
It seems like the drop catch is nearly impossible to get perfectly in time but is that really the point? I'm thinking that's what makes it so funky is that it adds a slight swing to the feel.
I can keep it up for a few minutes, but eventually my fingers have a difficult time catching the 16ths without dropping the stick. Any exercises for enhancing the strength of my finger tip knuckles?
anybody else having trouble on an electric kit? is it my technique or does a real hat make a difference... ive been working on this for a months now and im still getting tired af 1 verse in
Man.....I'm glad for the once a week release schedule. But, if I'm being honest, the practice-heavy ones would take me a month or two to ACTUALLY get through.
This my white whale in drumming, and the thing that gets me is that it doesn't necessarily look like Corey Fonville or Nate Smith are doing this? Unless the motion is so micro that you don't even really see it. But they can do these 16th note grooves with such volume (+ stick height) and control, that I often wonder if they're working with a level of fast twitch finger speed/control that will just always be beyond me.
For now there’s not. Search Gordy Knudsen on UA-cam. He does a very good breakdown. The teacher I learned from had borrowed gordy’s concept so it’s very close to the way I think about it
I know it was 9 months ago that you wrote this comment - but I found this video which explains in more detail, it might help you out - ua-cam.com/video/HScrErXZ88M/v-deo.html
Shocked you didn't include Jeff Porcaro's "Georgie Porgie" or " I Keep Forgetting" !!?? Not giving you shit and the players you did highlight DO own that groove, but Jeff played it exceptionally well. Just my .02 bro. Keep up the best drum vids on YT IMHO.
So I guess today I learnt the thing I've wanted to learn on drums the entire time I've wanted to learn drums Well if I ever do it I have a clear goal of what I need to practice Also as someone non-binary, thank you. Both for the inclusion and sketch
As a non-binary, that was nice to hear. I've just yesterday started on the whole 'accent the 2nd note of doubles' thing. This is super relevant! I played when I was a kid, up until about 18, then I no longer had room for a kit in my house so I kinda lost interest. Picking it up again at 36. Going well so far.
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I love seeing Nate explain in depth then proceed to play with the funk of a 78 year old Jewish man
This skill is very underrated. Getting a solid stream of 16th notes to groove with one hand, is tough
try the triplet groove on the hi hat from Roseanne for a level up to the tough ness.. it's more stamina of keeping a solid time that is tough.
You are right, but when I watch him play it seems to me that he is rather using kind of a Moeller-technique, an accent followed by an unaccented note that just happens. In my opinion when doing the drop catch the fingers are more active than they are performing 16th notes in the Moeller way, where the fingers follow the sticks more than manipulating it.
I think he should have explained the difference between these two things in more detail.
@ yeah the those grooves are very underrated. To play them like someone like James Gadson takes so much time.
@@dr.timschurig234 the differences are very subtle. I find moeller and drop catch on the hi hat are very similar, except with drop catch, you’re not really emphasizing the accent very much. Try this, play moeller on the hi hat, except try to keep the notes even in volume. I find you just end up playing drop catch.
@@dr.timschurig234 I highly recommend this video (and the whole series, for that matter) for an in-depth look at the open-close/drop-catch technique and how it differs from Moeller. ua-cam.com/video/ZdcRacflAps/v-deo.html
Nice technique, though one thing I am missing in this video is the detailed explanation and show-case of this technique: close ups on a hand and "physical" explanation on what should move, what shouldn't.
Right hand 16th has been that weak spot in my playing I've been trying to work on. I have plenty of other weaknesses, but none that are such an essential every day thing. Thanks for this video.
Porcaro on "I Keep Forgettin"
Absolute master
Made me think of fiona apples 'sleep to dream'
JP didn’t drop catch though. Played a push pull from the wrist?
Beautiful playing. As I’m definitely not an ‘extreme drumstick athlete’ or metaphysical, this vid is extremely helpful. Thank you!
Yeah, you called it. I definitely dug that last one...
Great lesson, love the philosophy of even if you aren't going to play it it's worth learning how to do it
Man I've listened to that corey fonville zildjian underground sooo many times, all my friends have watched it too now because of me 🤣
Great video Nate, way to break down an iconic beat that every drummer should know and play with.
I think this video is epic. I learned, I laughed, I cried... allergies.
For real. Keep it up, you make me want to learn it and sometimes crack me up in the process. Learning, laughing, crying (allergies aside).
I feel really powerful when I watch a lesson and learn nothing
Thanks for the drop catch .I have started to do it with shuffles but never thought to do it with straight notes .Mabey this is what Peter Erskine does on The Chicken song with Jaco Pastorious on bass .Thanks a lot .Backwards playing .......how wonderful host .Great show and are getting better and better .All the best from Australia .
Thanks for a great lesson and thank you for the transcript of the music. I'm already working on the beats, especially the last four. Also, thanks for the great videos. Your drum instruction is excellent, your comments and insights are extremely helpful and thought-provoking, and you're funny as heck.
💜 this segment!
-thanks!!!
Absolutely love this video! Happy drumming!
That's a great technique. Funny thing - I have known about it for a long time, trying to recreate it myself without any luck. Then this dude showed me this thing as you on 02:40. I laughed, then stuck with it for a few days, and voila! It actually helped to find the right motion of a hand.
Whip hands. Tube-man hands... It all makes sense only after you feel it. =)
Wanted to give you feedback: Your mic either too close or the input volume too loud. Either way, the signal gets distorted.
Love your vids.
80/20 drummer, i´ve been followin´ you since a years ago. Very pro!!!
Congrats from Uruguay
Big ups for the transcription dude, livesafer
Excellent and always hilarious way to get the lesson down!
Bravo, bro. Thank you again!
Brilliant as per usual 😁🤟✊️
Man! Just Thank you! Awesome
I haven’t worked on it yet, but this is the best drum lesson I’ve seen you do. Thanks
Without doubt, my fav groove🍻
brilliant as always ... I have learned
I want to hear you do a traditional blast beat with this
7:23 “Strangers from distant lands, friends of old”
that first beat... my first intro to the Funky Drummer was actually Scarlet Begonias from Sublime
These scene transitions kill me dude :D Keep it up!
Loving it duude 🤟🏾
I will take groove, soul, fun........over just pure technique.......... Purdie, Bonham, Porcaro, Stubblefield, Mouzon, Jackson Jr, Newmark, Modeliste......have been my favs for years for inspiration........
And they all have great technique which elevates their groove 😃
Corey Fonville.......One of VA’s best 🔥
Cheers Nate
well done Nate good lesson!
I was definitely feeling that last one
Very funky Jeff Porcaro had that one hand 16 no down you are very funky on this Nate
That was Delicious!
"extraneous ridiculousness" lol
Great break down. Yeah, I play bass but getting a better understanding of what's possible with drummers helps me as a bassist. Thanks for the post.
Yeah man❗👍🏾
Greetings. 80-20. Other than Drumeo, you're my favorite.
I like Beat Down Brown too cause he's a shuffle-king, like me. Funk to me, once meant
Oakland Stroke, Cold Blood...
Now, it's Incognito, Jamaican Funk. Boom E and. 🎶
Thanks. R3N
Thanks for this, Nate. Embarrassed to say that I've been practicing the extraneous ridiculousness (2:45) for quite some time and not getting any better at it. Was beginning to feel like George Aaronow in Glengarry Glen Ross. "Something's wrong with me.... I... I can't push through."
Guys & Gals!...(aka advanced young WhipperSnappers!)
Good vid/Great Lesson!
Canada I like your sense of humour.
ive spent an insane amount of time on moeller, push pull, and only through push pull did i understand drop catch.
but only focusing on the catch note and not the drop note.
physically, it feels like my fingers are supposed to have the independence to execute the drop note without my thumb tensing up at all, and naturally, that feels right.
im sure there are plenty of drummers who learned drop catch first, and its nice to have a youtube comment section to think out loud about this. yeehaw!
"And I wantcha to bring it in" *zooms in
yes. Dropping that Kenwood on Maceo..Woo yes,
"Chestnuts roasting on a hot hi-hat......"
the way i think of this is like if a shuffle on your right hand is flattened out. so the "pull" would be on the downbeat, and then your hand is doing the same motion for shuffle, swing, and 16th note patterns, where just the placement of the note changes the feel. this way you don't need to worry about if you're "dropping" or "pulling" on whatever up or downbeat cause it stays consistent.
I don’t remember if that’s how I was doing this but that’s definitely a valid way to play it, and something I do all the time.
i admit it i was feeling that last one.
1:58 Whoa...
Looks like a great way to play a double stroke roll too .... however I didn't catch where the drop and the Down beats are, even in slow Mo.Can anyone enlighten please 🤪
You're just too funny nate
Corey fonville rva’s finest!
9:15 I felt it!
Funny, I learned something today ... welcome to the modern world! Heh Heh!
What's the best way to practice the drop catch?
Hey nate, any thoughts on difference in sound/feel/use comparing 16th with drop/catch to 16th with moeller-whipping motion? I always felt more in control with moeller playing those hiphop/funk beats and use the drop/catch only for doubles. Any info is appreciated.
I would say they're one and the same, and within the technique you can decide how much to accent the "drops"
the “underground” drummer is from the band Butcher Brown.
It seems like the drop catch is nearly impossible to get perfectly in time but is that really the point? I'm thinking that's what makes it so funky is that it adds a slight swing to the feel.
Drop catch is helpful technique but how does that make someone funky? James Gadson
🥁
So how is this different from the " push/ pull " aka " open/ close" technique? Or is it all just different names for the same thing?
Tip: do not use a zoom in stereo as your vocal mic.
Scarlet begonias - Sublime
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I can keep it up for a few minutes, but eventually my fingers have a difficult time catching the 16ths without dropping the stick. Any exercises for enhancing the strength of my finger tip knuckles?
It’s not strength. It’s muscle memory.
Try doing drop catch 32nd notes with both hands
Where have I heard that Stubblefield intro beat? Beastie Boys?
Is that a "15 snare? it looks bigger than your low tom
anybody else having trouble on an electric kit? is it my technique or does a real hat make a difference... ive been working on this for a months now and im still getting tired af 1 verse in
Man.....I'm glad for the once a week release schedule. But, if I'm being honest, the practice-heavy ones would take me a month or two to ACTUALLY get through.
This my white whale in drumming, and the thing that gets me is that it doesn't necessarily look like Corey Fonville or Nate Smith are doing this? Unless the motion is so micro that you don't even really see it. But they can do these 16th note grooves with such volume (+ stick height) and control, that I often wonder if they're working with a level of fast twitch finger speed/control that will just always be beyond me.
They are. But they also switch between drop catch and singles, and change the spot they’re “dropping”
Why don't you switch your Zoom recorder to mono and turn down the gain?
I admit it!
Is that thumbnail Gordy Knudtson? Caught red-handed!
Moeller is where it’s at for this style
Hand position isn't always obvious , even though it should be. Thumb up top . Left hand still wants to go oblique !! Arrrggg
Maybe I missed it but is there a video where you show the drop catch technique very slowly so we can see what your hands are doing?
For now there’s not. Search Gordy Knudsen on UA-cam. He does a very good breakdown. The teacher I learned from had borrowed gordy’s concept so it’s very close to the way I think about it
Respectfully, did you demonstrate what the "drop" is and what the "catch" is or was the beat demonstrated over and over?
Isn’t this also called push-pull?
I can't get to play that technique straight.
It sounds like a shuffle, not straight 16th notes.
Damn, i suck.......hard...
Need to practice more!
I admit it. I was feeling that last one. I was also feeling that gnarly sloppy example. 🤷🏾♂️
I was wondering when we'll see the Angel snare again...
It really makes every video much better!!!
7:43 BRUH WTF WAS THAT LOL
The real master of this is Jeff Hamilton
Nate, can ’t open the transcription. Help
8020drumcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Drop-Catch-Beats-Transcription.pdf
Are Friends Electric?
camera angle so we can see the snare would be good.
Here's a great technique you can use for the funk! Am I gonna show you how to do it? No! But heres some great excercise once you know how to do it.
I anyone going to talk about how nasty 5:30 is?
S/O Corey Fonville at 0:31
But you didn't explain the technique...
I know it was 9 months ago that you wrote this comment - but I found this video which explains in more detail, it
might help you out - ua-cam.com/video/HScrErXZ88M/v-deo.html
Shocked you didn't include Jeff Porcaro's "Georgie Porgie" or " I Keep Forgetting" !!?? Not giving you shit and the players you did highlight DO own that groove, but Jeff played it exceptionally well. Just my .02 bro. Keep up the best drum vids on YT IMHO.
4:40 why just why
Is this guy like a legit working drummer?….or just a guy who makes videos about drumming things that interest him?
My favorite roided up meat head drummer
So I guess today I learnt the thing I've wanted to learn on drums the entire time I've wanted to learn drums
Well if I ever do it I have a clear goal of what I need to practice
Also as someone non-binary, thank you. Both for the inclusion and sketch
As a non-binary, that was nice to hear. I've just yesterday started on the whole 'accent the 2nd note of doubles' thing. This is super relevant! I played when I was a kid, up until about 18, then I no longer had room for a kit in my house so I kinda lost interest. Picking it up again at 36. Going well so far.