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Important to understand that predators are often charming and charismatic. They come across as safe, otherwise they wouldnt be able to prey on people. We watch movies and TV and the bad guys always look like obvious bad guys. You can tell right away who the bad guy is. In real life it's not like that and too many people think they can trust someone just because of some vibe they get. Real bad guys know how to seem safe.
Excellent video, Thom. "Grooming" is not an act performed only by the perpetrators of sexual assault. Grooming also happens when societal norms allow individuals like CB to get away with their acts, and it begins very early. I am an elementary school teacher. A student in a building I worked in (aged 10) groped two girls in his classroom on the same day. The principal treated it very lightly. During a meeting the parents of the girls she stated "Boys will be boys." There was no suspension or other punishment, not even a request to make amends. The student went on to continue that behavior as he got older. There needs to be an across the board admission that as a society we fail women throughout their lives. We as a society need to look in the mirror when asking the question "Where do these 'men' come from?" Thank You for addressing this topic.
Thank you so much for your insight and comment. My wife is an middle school teacher, so the story you tell rings very true and salient about the question you ask "Where do these 'men' come from?" I appreciate that you took the time to share that story.
@@EverestMystery Thank you for the kind words. Please also give my regards to your wife! Middle School is a really challenging gig, so much respect to her for hanging in there with that age group.
There are other sides of this coin. I have a good friend who's son is a HS senior. He started being friends with this girl in his class and when she came onto him and he refused, she accused him of raping her in the school bathroom. Even though she had been caught making false accusations before, the guy was put through the ringer, even though the school had video footage that proved her wrong and she changed her story three times. Finally he was off the hook, but what happened to her? Nothing. She is still attending the same school and they just told him to stay away from her.
@porcupinecraig I previously was a college advocate for sexual violence and partner abuse, so I am going to push back more than Everest Mystery. 1. You are relating a second-hand story from a friend. This is not objective evidence and naturally you will tend to believe your friend. 2. I never, ever met a perpetrator who admitted to the crime. They always deny. 3. False reports are extremely rare. If you falsely reported your wallet stolen, that would be more common than falsely reporting a crime of sexual violence. 4. A vast majority of crime of this nature is never reported.
Thank you so much for covering this difficult topic in such a sensitive way. I'm also glad Krakauer spoke up as he did. His book Missoula, which is so well researched, shows the many reasons why women don't speak up about their experiences of S.A., but you outlined the most significant ones here.
@melissaeden1219 I read Missoula many years ago and it still resonates w me daily. So many nuggets of frightening truth. It opened my eyes in a different way; I trust my wariness now, I trust my gut, I trust red flags. When people tell me who they are, I believe them. Idk if I can watch all of this but I will try. I think bearing witness is important.
@melissaeden1219 I read Missoula many years ago and it still resonates w me daily. So many nuggets of frightening truth. It opened my eyes in a different way; I trust my wariness now, I trust my gut, I trust red flags. When people tell me who they are, I believe them. Idk if I can watch all of this but I will try. I think bearing witness is important.
@@cleanserene6330YES. Trust your gut. I don’t care what anyone says. For the time I was very small, my mother told me if I felt strange or uncomfortable in a situation that just doesn’t seem right-get out of there, get to a safe place if possible. I’m not saying it’s 100% accurate, but if it comes to safety and I notice a red flag, I’m paying attention. I’m teaching my children the same. Be prepared, try to love your life and enjoy it, but sometimes those gut feelings have meaning!❤
I was abused as a child from ages 5-13 and I didn’t tell anyone about it until I was 29 years old. My depression and PTSD was so bad that I tried to remove myself from the planet at 29. I ended up in a mental health facility for the first time and finally found myself around others who had been through similar things and for the first time ever, I told what my childhood was actually like. People that blame people for not immediately coming forward are humans who are lucky enough that they haven’t been through that kind of trauma, and therefore can’t seem to understand the inexplicable amounts shame that comes along with being victimized!
@@wolfpecker5710 My heart goes out to you. I get so tired of those comments that a woman must be lying about s.a., either just be cause she's a woman, or because she didn't fight back, or because she waited so long to speak out. Responses to trauma are not only fight or flight, there is also the freeze response that can debilitate a person for so very long. My best wishes for your healing journey.
Thank you for covering this. I have been a hiker/climber/camper most of my life, often solo. All the men I encountered were gentlemen and I appreciate that. Girls and women should be taught self-defense and situational awareness- it should be held to be as important as learning to read.
Girls and Women should also be taught that they should come forward, they should expect to be believed, which sadly... at the moment... many aren't. Same for male victims.
Thank you so much for covering this delicate subject with so much respect for the victims. It still amazes me that folks will step up to defend a person just because of their status and totally disregard the suffering of the victims. It is so important to talk about this and to help stop the victim shaming and blaming that goes on when SA is involved. People also need to remember that when one speaks out against a victim of SA their daughters, sisters, wives, friends and all women who are in ear shot know who they cannot trust talk to about it should it ever happen to them, is that what they really want to convey ? I hope this video helps change the attitudes of those who felt compelled to comment on your previous video, which was also excellent by the way. Cheers from Brasil!
Thanks so much....really glad you enjoy them. Being a climber is absolutely not a requirement. Just looking to connect with human beings. Cheers and thank you
Hi Thom, I really appreciated this video. I’m a recent subscriber, sixty six year old female, who suffered sexual harassment and assault numerous times between ages thirteen and nineteen. I’m not a mountaineer or climber but enjoy films and stories of these sports. That’s how I found your channel. Thankfully these very courageous women came forward. I was filled with too much self doubt and fear to share with anyone in my young life. I’m grateful to Jon Krakauer for stepping up and speaking out to the climbing community. Also to you for shedding light on this. You are a kind and sensitive soul. My personal experiences haven’t kept me from my greatest love, communing with the natural world and mostly alone. Following my intuitive guidance has kept me safe.
I was the victim of sexual harassment at work, and the short version is that when I fully realized what had happened and was in crisis, I became the problem since the perpetrator had quit. I went from an appreciated employee to an issue because I was traumatized by something someone else did to me, I received no compassion from my boss and was basically told to just get over it since I wasn't actually raped, it was just an attempt so I had no reason to feel anything about it. That's a reality for a lot of victims, we become the problem if we say something
I don't mean you any disrespect, but I am trying to understand something that seems to happen often. From the time that the harassment happened, how much time passed before you "fully realized what had happened and was in crisis"? I don't get the time gap between the event, and when it gets reported. Seems like it happens quite often. How would waiting to report it, or not report it at all, have any chance of working out better than reporting it immediately after it happens?
@@KSparks80 it didn't occur to me that someone would slip a roofie in my drink at a work conference, so I guess I tried to find some reason as to why I got so sick and the only reasonable explanation I could come up with when it happened was that I was on a new medication and must have had some weird interaction. I rarely drink alcohol and I had never done drugs so I didn't recognize the signs of what happened until a friend pointed out that what I described as the worst hangover of my life was exactly what happens when some drugs leave your system. If it had happened at a bar I probably would have suspected something, but at a work dinner? It might have been naive of me but the thought of getting drugged by a colleague never occurred to me at the time
@@Louiseonajourney Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. But, that's not really the type of "incident" I was talking about. That being situations where the person doing the actual harassing or abuse is known by the victim, yet they wait a long period of time, sometimes years, before coming forward and making the allegations.Those are the ones that make no sense to me. Why wait if it happened? (Hope that makes sense).
@@KSparks80 I think there can be a lot of reasons, the victim might not be in a position to take on that fight while they're trying to cope with the trauma or they're afraid of not being believed or they're in denial about what happened, etc. It's not unusual that victims come forward years later, so I guess there's some psychological explanation for why it might take some time
That's a very sensitive topic. Thanks for this video. I've never experienced sexual harrassment outdoors. However, I think, almost every woman has experienced sexual harrassment at least once in their lives - at work, on public transportation, on the street.... It happens all the time and it's difficult for a woman to react properly when it happens. Sometimes it's somethimg small, a slight touch or even only words, sometimes it's more and sometimes it's been done by people they have trusted. That's the worst experience of all. Women are ashamed when this happens. They ask themselves, is it my fault? Have I encouraged them? This is wrong!! It's not our fault! It's always their fault! We have to speak up! Always! Even when there is just a slight touch on the bus. This behaviour is not acceptable and I don't tolerate people who blame the victims either.
Yeah, telling about how dumb humans are. There will always be predators both men and women. They just work differently when they do it. The fact is that your chances of the man or woman you come across being that is really low in actuality. Your chances of being eaten by a bear that you run into though... That's a much higher chance. Bears aren't f*****g cuddly and lovable friends we haven't met yet. They will eat your intestines while you're still alive. This whole bear vs man thing is absolutely idiotic on a sublime new level. Congratulations, you've been propagandized well.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426If anyone was to send out a similar questionnaire to hikers, asking about bears, I highly doubt that the result would be that 40% of hikers have already been attacked or threatened by a bear.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 this. a bear just wants to get away most of the time. if it does happen to attack you, it doesn't revel in your suffering. there are fates worse than death. because of my experiences w sadistic men, i'd rather take my chances w a bear honestly.
Thank you so much for this video and for your words. I've been a victim of SA but it was not the most difficult. No. The most difficult was five years of battle, five years of repeating my story in gruesome details, facing judgemental remarks, incompetence etc. But I was "lucky", the man who was responsible wasn't famous or admired. A person, man or woman, can make great things, be very talented and be a predator at the same time. I think human brain should be capable of processing paradox. Thank you again for this video it goes straight to my heart.
What an excellent video. You've tackled a difficult topic well. SSurvivors take time to report because it's a trauma that takes time to process. It's usually a therapist that recommends and supports reporting. Many assaults are never reported and predators count on that. So glad this major creep is put away!
@@EverestMystery Thank you sir. We need men to speak out about this! Especially in a time when the GOP sees a leader in a sexual predator. 😪 They send a very dangerous message...that wealthy men can offend without consequence, and aspire to the highest office...at a time when women are being assaulted and murdered in record numbers. They want to drag us backwards and downwards...the hate for women is palpable. Thank you for being an advocate. Your video is a powerful one. You are brave, speaking truth to power. They are so power hungry, they don't care who gets hurt. And it hurts. 🌹
As a woman in the skydiving community, another closeknit community that relies on mutual love and trust, I'm absolutely not surprised that something like this has come out. Too many men in these communities are defended, and the women ignored/bullied/silenced and it has to be seen to be stopped. There are so many incredible humans in my sport, and in climbing, men and women who exemplify safety, friendship, kindness and community. Unfortunately there is always the potential for bad seeds. As a woman i myself have experienced harrassment and assault by people that I should have been able to trust. Thank you for speaking out about these issues. I'm so proud of the women who came forward and ultimately prevented him from hurting more.
Rarely are sexual assault crimes reported with the understanding demonstrated here. Righteous anger bubbles up when victim blaming, disbelief, and perpetrator protection become the knee jerk response of the ignorant. Myths about sexual violence seem to die hard. Keep up the good work.
New subscriber here. Thank u for speaking bout this and showing compassion for his victims (which is rare). As a survivor of dv and sa, i can't thank u enough.
The answer to the question why he was allowed to do this for so long is incredibly simple. Because justice system failed catastrophically. It is the obvious and clear reason! There has been a mountain of evidence at least since 2008 that this person is a violent sociopath. It's incredibly important to highlight these topics but I find it counterproductive to try to frame it as somehow climbing community enabling this behavior. In several limited instances where other climbers could take action, they did! But otherwise, it's 20/20 hindsight. I find it strange that the focus of the article is the climbing community instead of abject, utter and inexcusable failure of the justice system which, unlike the climbing community, had all the necessary information and resources to actually DO SOMETHING.
Aaaaannnd some men wonder why so many women would rather be alone in the woods with a bear than alone with one or more men. I know why and it makes perfect sense to me.
Just found your channel (specifically, your latest video) a few days ago. I really appreciate your presentation of important but difficult topics. Thank you for standing up for people and places that need better care & protection.
I agree! I'm elderly. I don't hike and I certainly don't climb mountains, but Thom's channel offers very interesting topics that are very well made! 😊😊😊
Thank you for covering this. I’ll have to read Missoula,I love Krakauer’s writing. I’ve had numerous forms of SA and sexual harassment at school,work and other when I was younger. The only place that I felt very supported in this was in the Army where everyone from my commanders to the SFC that worked for me helpful were outraged by an E-6 stalker who was also a patient of mine.
I know this is an older video know, but yesterday I watched Mountain Queen: The Summits of Lhakpa Sherpa. It was a really good documentary and also talked about Domestic Violence in the mountaineering community. I think Lhakpa Sherpa would be a great guest on your podcast or for a video.
Wonderful idea....and thank you. I did a panel discussion with Lhakpa in 2018 for the Boston Museum of Science on commercialization on Everest. We've stayed in touch. I filmed a review two weeks ago but the audio was unusable...so I need to re-film it. Thanks for watching this video and for sharing your idea.
This is going on now at the "Black Swan" murder trial. The woman, Ashley Benefield, claims she shot her estranged husband in self defense. Despite evidence of the husband's unhinged behavior, and mental state, some comments insist she was manipulative and made him do it. The majority of comments from people who have experienced DV, tend to believe her, but the audience is extremely polarized. Someone opined that the comments against the woman sounded like they came from the 1950's instead of the present day.
“Bro code” is a good way of putting it. I’ve heard this first hand at the office when the popular radio host here Jian Ghomeshi was first accused of SA. Guys at my office were complaining that you couldn’t get away with a little “rough sex” these days.
I think there's an issue of (at least silent) complicity here. It's difficult to imagine that people in his circle didn't know what he was like and did nothing. I once went on a yoga course run by a very well known, charismatic, teacher who resigned from the world governing body after having relations with a student. When I raised this with my teacher, she (yes she) said it was true but said "but you should have seen her"........
There is a certain percentage of people across all cultures and society that are evil predators; this guy Barrett was one of them. It has less to do with climbing and women's safety in climbing, although climbing locations are typically more remote, so there is greater danger for women.
it's not evil. it's entitlement. it's being socialized and conditioned to view women as objects for consumption. sociopathy is so rare.. there's no way every woman i know has been abused by 'evil' men. these men are 'loving husbands', 'good fathers', 'talented young men' with 'promising careers', walking through the world as respected and admired members of their communities. the subjugation of women is a larger cultural issue that even good men can perpetuate... and we have to recognize that in order to be able to change it.
My 22 yr old daughter is a climber and camper etc, I’m always so worried about all the possibilities during her trips 😳😢 My heart breaks for these women.
In my estimation, male dominated communities of any ilk will protect those they consider “their own” against charges of any sexual misbehaviour, up to and including rape. This is substantiated by the fact that even after beating a woman in front of witnesses, this community somehow refused to condemn this guy and wanted to believe a weak made up story. Women need to learn and truly appreciate the dangers of participating in these kinds of communities and never believe that members will “have their back” regardless of how nice the boys are. I don’t believe this will ever change. As to you deleting the “most obtuse” comments, I believe this was a mistake. as I said, women need to learn, we need to see these things, look them in the eye, and make our judgements. If a single 19 yo girl sees what the dangers are, maybe she won’t be that quick to meet a “cool guy” alone. Predators are a lot of times really charming and charismatic and the weak men searching for role models will form a wall around their heros. This is the world women must learn to live in, we need to learn this as soon as humanly possible. Naivety is not a justification for rape, but it certainly makes you much more likely to be a victim.
Excellent points, I appreciate your insight. Yes, perhaps leaving the obtuse comments up might have been better. Those I took down were honestly cruel and hate-filled....cringeworthy. I'm glad you took the time to watch the video and for sharing your thoughts. Thank you
I think all women should conceal carry. The great equalizer is a must have especially for a woman in the outdoors! Way too much opportunity to take advantage of a person
Speaking as a woman who has been violently raped and who has always carried a large caliber firearm, i must say i disagree with you strongly. A serious education in self defense will instill confidence and capability whereas concealed carrying of a firearm is often a prison sentence waiting to happen. By the time one pulls out a gun from a purse or a pocket one can, with training, flatten a would be attacker. Women are quite frequently assaulted leaving places where alcohol is served, often by a person whom they have just met. One cannot carry a gun into a bar. I recently lost to Parkinson's a dear friend, Leah Lee, who was a tiny thing and with a 5th degree black belt was more lethal than i will ever be....and she was also a better pacifist.
@@CountryWV women are usually assaulted by someone we're supposed to be able to trust. should i hold a loaded gun in my lap on a date watching a movie? should i have it under the couch when i invite a man to my house? statistically, i'm more likely to have my weapon used against me than be able to successfully fend off my attacker. and if i did shoot someone, i'd still have to deal with the court system who we know doesn't believe victims and has seen women serving decade long sentences for defending against their abuser. a gun isn't going to keep me safe.
Thom, just to answer your question in minute 4.04, we rarely speak up because we end up being liars, provokers, and finger pointed. I was harassed by a climber in my climbing community, I spoke up and suffered the consequences. I would do it again, sure. But it's annoying and upsetting. Your videos are excellent. Thank you!
Maybe your most important show Thom. Listen to women, call out these acts we know are wrong, don’t be complacent with bad behaviors and look out for each other.
As an avid climber and outdoorsman, I understand, highlighting, bad scenarios, and trying to fix them for the future. But what I don’t like is headlines asking if being outdoors is safe for women…. how many women are assaulted in the outdoors scenarios like this relative to parties at colleges and bars or what not. Did the numbers actually show that a majority of women are assaulted when they go backpacking or climbing trips? There are monsters in every industry in every sport this happens and it’s horrible, but it doesn’t mean the sport in general has a problem. There are bad people everywhere. Glad he’s in prison, but I don’t think Climbing it’s dangerous for women.
Thanks very much for watching Sir Cornholio. The pronoun of one's user name suggests that a male is stating that women are safe in the outdoors. The whole point of this video is that studies show that the majority of women victimized by SA are afraid to speak up for a variety of reasons. Perhaps OP might consider that the women with whom 'he' climbs have for whatever reasons chosen not to share their experiences with him, or anyone, for that matter. Seems to me this is a great conversation to have next time the gang is hanging out at the fire pit after a day at the crags.
Yosemite, isn’t that where that serial killer was years back…. reference to the comments you had to remove. There are so many “incels” online. They have no hustle so they blame it on women. I used to assist with woman who had stay away orders from their ex’s. Those orders are useless, and even when the women would go to the police, often the cops would side with the man.. “hey, she is still your wife”. as a response to a rape. I had a pretty good solution, Get a Dog. A vicious one. It worked for numerous women I assisted. However, it is important to wait until a verdict is rendered before we destroy the accused. Often the accused is judged by the horror of the crime. Innocent people do get their lives ruined by accusations that later are proven wrong. But of course I agree that the women in these cases need every aspect of our legal system to protect them and allow them to report the crime without judgement from police. We (white men) (cops in particular) still have that disgusting age old perception that women “ask for it” by wearing provocative clothing, no matter how far along you are (men) in making out… if she says no…. thats it…. period.
I’ve always preached the idea that almost everyone deserves (sometimes eventual) forgiveness. Especially now, with my own young son growing up. However, there are two very distinct exceptions to that mantra, and the first is murder, and the second are any of the actions of Barrett described in this video. If anything, a life sentence in prison is a very merciful punishment for a human being that is capable of such behavior.
It must be a terrible experience for women who are sex abused to tell their story. I admire a woman who has the courage to testify against a monster to help put him behind bars. Barrett deserves to be where he is.
It was a simple choice made at the time of recording, not by any regards meant to water down what took place. If I were sitting around a dinner table with friends, I would have done the exact same thing. It's a repulsive term that doesn't need to be uttered to be understood in the context of a conversation. Also, given the algorithm of the platform, some words or terms can derail a video, ie, when doing stories about people who have lost their lives on Everest I use less alarming terms. Cheers and thanks for watching.
As a woman, if half of the allegations about Barrett are true, he deserves more than life in prison. What this monster did to these women is beyond reprehensible and vile. These women will NEVER be the same. Their lives have been completely altered by the violence that was visited on them and there is no amount of jail time that will change them back to who they were before. Please remember that these women were completely violated on a level that can never be repaired. I sincerely hope that these women are able to heal their bodies, heal their minds and heal their souls. They deserve that and so much more. Peace be with the women and the climbing community affected by Barrett.
I have always felt that if I was ever raped I would never report it because I know what they put the victim through in the court system in public opinion
when people ask 'why didn't she report it!' I remind them of that case in Ireland where they made a 17yo girl hold her underwear up in court saying she was 'asking for it' because they were 'sexy'... she later committed suicide. that's why we don't report. bc it would be like being violated all over again... and the perpetrator rarely sees justice. the case mentioned in the video is one of few thankful exceptions.
This is why I abhor women who falsely accuse men of sexual assault. We see it too much so a lot of people are loathe to "believe all women" And since a woman can make false accusations and then later admit she was lying and still have almost nothing happen to her....well, it's the reality we live in.
Cool channel when it was about mountain climbing. Of all the things you could talk about, you choose this. Much better channels that actually talk about mt climbing
thnx, had this happen with a film teacher 'artist who was wholly protected by the self proclaimed progressive college. It crushed me. I shorn my hair and dressed in rags, to be plain as possible from there out after being blamed for being attacked by a teacher. And probably is pale in comparison to so many others in positions of power, celebrity. One wonders about the strangling part, are there any victims he left in the desert? My God.
"ALL" victims of sexual assault find it hard to come forward. Victims come in all sexes and age groups. For me, it was NOT about being believed, but the shame in the incident itself and the self-blame associated with it. I will also say that there are too many false reports nowadays that only discourage true victims from coming forward and thus only help the perpetrators of these disgusting crimes. Take care.
WOW, simply shocking but not surprised. There are twisted people in every profession. Just first time I’ve head it was a climber. I’ve never understood why women, hike, camp and climb alone!
For two decades, I hiked alone, for 3-to-4 hrs., daily, because I didn't know anyone that matched my endurance, sadly. Finally, in 2002, I met a gal, who's my truest best friend, that is in-step with me ~ bicycling, jogging, hiking. 👍
@@Sushi2735 🫂 Thank you. Yes; being female, I'm always on high-alert/hyper-aware. It's exhausting exercising outdoors, as a woman, with unnecessary added dangers possibly lurking. Only had an incident walking home from the Chicago subway (mid-1990s) after work; a carload of teen boys followed me home on my 15-min. walk at 10p.m. ~ had to jump bushes, and eventually, hide in an alley, until I felt they gave up. I've found the city to be more dangerous, than the forests.
All I'm hearing is that he should have hired better Attorneys throughout his life. It's really easy to paint labels on people. But it does sound like he didn't learn from his mistakes.
The 'believe all women movement' did a great disservice to the real victims of these types of crimes. It's been reported many times of women using SA+ to get back at men who have 'wronged' them. This IMO is another reason why many women don't come forward.
In all fairness Thom, the reason that many women get dismissed when they make claims against guy's like that is because you can't find a guy that either he or a friend he's close with hasn't had their life tore apart by some woman who lied through their teeth about him, now I'm not talking specifically about women who've lied about being sexually assaulted by men, I'm talking about any type of lies that've accused men of doing unacceptable things (he beat me all the time/he's manipulative and always made me feel trapped etc etc) usually to justify leaving a guy, when in fact the truth is they'd gone out and got themselves a boyfriend and now want out of the marriage but don't want it to look like what it is, so they accuse a guy of every horrible thing under the sun to justify, no hide, what they're actually doing, and there ain't no one can act like they don't know what I'm talking about because every single person reading this has either had it happen to them or are friends with a guy that it's happened to and that includes women who'll read this, all of you have known at least one guy in your life whose been victimized like that. People can get mad at me for pointing out the truth but there it is, yes, most definitely there's guy's out there who do these unspeakable things to women but let's be realistic here, the ratio of guy's who've had their lives completely destroyed by a woman who lied about them compared to the number of women who have really had something like that done to them is undoubtedly in the thousands to one, possibly even tens of thousands to one but I'm comfortable saying thousands to one, I mean face it the vast majority of us go through life having never known a guy who's a rapist, never having personally even known a guy brought up on charges for rape much less convicted and jailed for it but every one of us has seen plenty of our friends victimized by some lying woman with quite a lot of us having had it happen to us ourselves. Personally, if I was a woman who was assaulted and I kept getting dismissed by people when I was accusing my attacker I'd snap on every other woman I'd ever known that destroyed some guy's life because they lied and manipulated things to get their custody and alimony, I'd thank them for creating an environment where women get dismissed. People can get angry at me for saying this but I'm dealing with reality here not the way we'd like for things to be, I'm just pointing out the ugly truth in the room, the fact is if woman want 100% credibility when it comes to accusations against men then they need to start policing their own ranks, quit accepting women into their social circles who come around laughing about how they got over on some guy, laughing about how they drug hom through the courts and ruined him with a bunch of lies, and there's plenty of women who know a couple that see the woman lie through their teeth about some guy, and yea even feel bad for him, but will still accept that woman socially, they need to stop supporting other women who do things like that because it's the only thing that'll turn the phenomenon around to where the collective women of our society get the credibility back they once had, hey sorry but the reality is, and we all know this, is that for at least the past 35 years guy's have been getting their asses tore out in an unfair way by these domestic courts who automatically believe the woman, the reality is all they have to do is accuse and they're automatically believed by the domestic courts yet the guy is task with a burden of proof well beyond just his words, anyone who denies that is either delusional or they benefit from things the way they are and don't want to see them changed, the vast majority of the time some guy is getting his ass tore out by a domestic court it's being done by a woman who's lying, and they've literally destroyed the colllective credibility of women even in the eyes of a lot of women over the years doing it, the old story about crying wolf and the lesson behind it doesn't just apply to an individual it also applies to groups, or demographics or however you want to look at it. Now i am certainly not saying "They've brought it on themselves" when it comes to the problem women have about being believed when they make accusations about being attacked like that, but it's like anything else if you want to fix things in life you have to deal with reality, you can't just stick your head in the sand because a subject is hard, unpopular or uncomfortable to talk about, to fix problems you have to be realistic about what the causes of them are, try skating around what the real causes are and you'll never get the problem fixed, and the problem I'm addressing here is the one of women being dismissed when they make an accusation like that, if people just want to get mad at me for pointing out what i have well whatever, but they're certainly not helping out the women who need believed when they're a victim of an attacker like that, all continually skating around an issue or problem will do is create a hole in the ice.
I don't know anyone who's a dude who has gone thru that. However at least half my women friends have experienced DV & more than half have been SA'd. The research data doesn't support your interpretation either. Ofc you made it clear you think we're all lying & you're the brave brave truth-teller. Your way of thinking is frightening & I hope I'm never in the same room as you. Esp alone.
I agree with the above poster. I do not know any man who has been accused of things that he hasn’t done. What I do know is that many of my friends and relatives have suffered under tyrannical boyfriends and husbands, myself included. And the only lying woman that I know of is one who wormed her way into the life of my ex-husband and lied through her teeth about something she claimed I had said to her, which I most certainly did not. He believed her and not me. So she got her way and ended up destroying a family with two young children. So yes, certain women are inherently evil and will lie to get their way. But, few of us would expose ourselves to the embarrassment and legal trouble to accuse a man of any sort of physical or sa. So this responder who claims to know many men who have had their lives destroyed by lying women is either exaggerating or is truly hanging out with the wrong crowd. Just remember, no means no.
I am a male, but not a beta male, so I will not need to find a "safe space" after watching this! 🥹 If someone doesn't like females, then why don't they just avoid them? I know for some guys, that will never happen. Did they have problems with mom? 🥲 I think the currently unanswerable question about every predator is, how much of the behavior is choice, and how much is compulsion?! Very good!! 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
The conflict is lack of maternal bonding mainly ..leading to distrust and unstable relationships with women at best ..this can lead types to a an almost pathological hatred ..especially since they hold the key to a man's natural sexual requirement to touch and intercoarse..and can thus rarely be reciprocated ..it is a painful conflict and a cross that must be carried otherwise jail via sexual misdemeanors can result..
Men just don’t respect women. It’s been like it for centuries, woman have always had to be wary of males. You’ve only got to look at the excuses that are made ‘boys will boys ‘ being the most popular 🫤
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As a woman I can't imagine telling something so disgusting and horrible that happened just to have others say it's not real 😢
happens all the time
Important to understand that predators are often charming and charismatic. They come across as safe, otherwise they wouldnt be able to prey on people. We watch movies and TV and the bad guys always look like obvious bad guys. You can tell right away who the bad guy is. In real life it's not like that and too many people think they can trust someone just because of some vibe they get. Real bad guys know how to seem safe.
100% this
Thiiiiiiis
your comment, so accurate!
Excellent video, Thom. "Grooming" is not an act performed only by the perpetrators of sexual assault. Grooming also happens when societal norms allow individuals like CB to get away with their acts, and it begins very early. I am an elementary school teacher. A student in a building I worked in (aged 10) groped two girls in his classroom on the same day. The principal treated it very lightly. During a meeting the parents of the girls she stated "Boys will be boys." There was no suspension or other punishment, not even a request to make amends. The student went on to continue that behavior as he got older. There needs to be an across the board admission that as a society we fail women throughout their lives. We as a society need to look in the mirror when asking the question "Where do these 'men' come from?" Thank You for addressing this topic.
Thank you so much for your insight and comment. My wife is an middle school teacher, so the story you tell rings very true and salient about the question you ask "Where do these 'men' come from?" I appreciate that you took the time to share that story.
@@EverestMystery Thank you for the kind words. Please also give my regards to your wife! Middle School is a really challenging gig, so much respect to her for hanging in there with that age group.
There is evidence that predators begin very, very early in life, even preschool.
There are other sides of this coin. I have a good friend who's son is a HS senior. He started being friends with this girl in his class and when she came onto him and he refused, she accused him of raping her in the school bathroom. Even though she had been caught making false accusations before, the guy was put through the ringer, even though the school had video footage that proved her wrong and she changed her story three times.
Finally he was off the hook, but what happened to her? Nothing. She is still attending the same school and they just told him to stay away from her.
@porcupinecraig I previously was a college advocate for sexual violence and partner abuse, so I am going to push back more than Everest Mystery. 1. You are relating a second-hand story from a friend. This is not objective evidence and naturally you will tend to believe your friend. 2. I never, ever met a perpetrator who admitted to the crime. They always deny. 3. False reports are extremely rare. If you falsely reported your wallet stolen, that would be more common than falsely reporting a crime of sexual violence. 4. A vast majority of crime of this nature is never reported.
Thank you so much for covering this difficult topic in such a sensitive way. I'm also glad Krakauer spoke up as he did. His book Missoula, which is so well researched, shows the many reasons why women don't speak up about their experiences of S.A., but you outlined the most significant ones here.
@melissaeden1219 I read Missoula many years ago and it still resonates w me daily. So many nuggets of frightening truth. It opened my eyes in a different way; I trust my wariness now, I trust my gut, I trust red flags. When people tell me who they are, I believe them. Idk if I can watch all of this but I will try. I think bearing witness is important.
@melissaeden1219 I read Missoula many years ago and it still resonates w me daily. So many nuggets of frightening truth. It opened my eyes in a different way; I trust my wariness now, I trust my gut, I trust red flags. When people tell me who they are, I believe them. Idk if I can watch all of this but I will try. I think bearing witness is important.
@@cleanserene6330YES. Trust your gut. I don’t care what anyone says. For the time I was very small, my mother told me if I felt strange or uncomfortable in a situation that just doesn’t seem right-get out of there, get to a safe place if possible. I’m not saying it’s 100% accurate, but if it comes to safety and I notice a red flag, I’m paying attention. I’m teaching my children the same. Be prepared, try to love your life and enjoy it, but sometimes those gut feelings have meaning!❤
I was abused as a child from ages 5-13 and I didn’t tell anyone about it until I was 29 years old. My depression and PTSD was so bad that I tried to remove myself from the planet at 29. I ended up in a mental health facility for the first time and finally found myself around others who had been through similar things and for the first time ever, I told what my childhood was actually like.
People that blame people for not immediately coming forward are humans who are lucky enough that they haven’t been through that kind of trauma, and therefore can’t seem to understand the inexplicable amounts shame that comes along with being victimized!
@@wolfpecker5710 My heart goes out to you. I get so tired of those comments that a woman must be lying about s.a., either just be cause she's a woman, or because she didn't fight back, or because she waited so long to speak out. Responses to trauma are not only fight or flight, there is also the freeze response that can debilitate a person for so very long. My best wishes for your healing journey.
Putting people on pedestals always leads to problems later. Thanks for covering such a difficult subject.
I’m so impressed you took on this important topic and presented it so well. thank you
Thank you for covering this.
I have been a hiker/climber/camper most of my life, often solo. All the men I encountered were gentlemen and I appreciate that.
Girls and women should be taught self-defense and situational awareness- it should be held to be as important as learning to read.
Men should be taught not to SA other ppl
Girls and Women should also be taught that they should come forward, they should expect to be believed, which sadly... at the moment... many aren't. Same for male victims.
That is so true
It's a jungle out there for real .
What about men? what should we be teaching them?
self defence won't help if you are miles away from anywhere.
Thank you so much for covering this delicate subject with so much respect for the victims. It still amazes me that folks will step up to defend a person just because of their status and totally disregard the suffering of the victims. It is so important to talk about this and to help stop the victim shaming and blaming that goes on when SA is involved. People also need to remember that when one speaks out against a victim of SA their daughters, sisters, wives, friends and all women who are in ear shot know who they cannot trust talk to about it should it ever happen to them, is that what they really want to convey ? I hope this video helps change the attitudes of those who felt compelled to comment on your previous video, which was also excellent by the way. Cheers from Brasil!
A important topic that needs to be discussed. Thank you for bringing this up. No means No!
Thanks as always...and thanks for supporting the channel!
Not a climber, but really like your uploads.
Thanks so much....really glad you enjoy them. Being a climber is absolutely not a requirement. Just looking to connect with human beings. Cheers and thank you
Thank you so much for bringing this to light. Thank you for not being a person who wants to be quiet.
Why aren't there more men like you? Thank you for caring
This is so important! Thank you for sharing 🌻
Thank you for believing women.
Except for Sandy Pittman.
Hi Thom, I really appreciated this video. I’m a recent subscriber, sixty six year old female, who suffered sexual harassment and assault numerous times between ages thirteen and nineteen. I’m not a mountaineer or climber but enjoy films and stories of these sports. That’s how I found your channel. Thankfully these very courageous women came forward. I was filled with too much self doubt and fear to share with anyone in my young life. I’m grateful to Jon Krakauer for stepping up and speaking out to the climbing community. Also to you for shedding light on this. You are a kind and sensitive soul. My personal experiences haven’t kept me from my greatest love, communing with the natural world and mostly
alone. Following my intuitive guidance has kept me safe.
This is so important to cover.
This is never an easy subject for any woman to discuss. For you to bring this out, in such a careful gentle way is huge.
Linking help for anyone in need of anything similar. You sir earned another subscriber off that alone
Thank you for this story. You are so eloquent in your reporting and I enjoy your posts.
Thanks very much, it's really good having you here!
I was the victim of sexual harassment at work, and the short version is that when I fully realized what had happened and was in crisis, I became the problem since the perpetrator had quit. I went from an appreciated employee to an issue because I was traumatized by something someone else did to me, I received no compassion from my boss and was basically told to just get over it since I wasn't actually raped, it was just an attempt so I had no reason to feel anything about it.
That's a reality for a lot of victims, we become the problem if we say something
I don't mean you any disrespect, but I am trying to understand something that seems to happen often. From the time that the harassment happened, how much time passed before you "fully realized what had happened and was in crisis"? I don't get the time gap between the event, and when it gets reported. Seems like it happens quite often. How would waiting to report it, or not report it at all, have any chance of working out better than reporting it immediately after it happens?
@@KSparks80 it didn't occur to me that someone would slip a roofie in my drink at a work conference, so I guess I tried to find some reason as to why I got so sick and the only reasonable explanation I could come up with when it happened was that I was on a new medication and must have had some weird interaction.
I rarely drink alcohol and I had never done drugs so I didn't recognize the signs of what happened until a friend pointed out that what I described as the worst hangover of my life was exactly what happens when some drugs leave your system.
If it had happened at a bar I probably would have suspected something, but at a work dinner?
It might have been naive of me but the thought of getting drugged by a colleague never occurred to me at the time
@@Louiseonajourney Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. But, that's not really the type of "incident" I was talking about. That being situations where the person doing the actual harassing or abuse is known by the victim, yet they wait a long period of time, sometimes years, before coming forward and making the allegations.Those are the ones that make no sense to me. Why wait if it happened? (Hope that makes sense).
@@KSparks80 I think there can be a lot of reasons, the victim might not be in a position to take on that fight while they're trying to cope with the trauma or they're afraid of not being believed or they're in denial about what happened, etc.
It's not unusual that victims come forward years later, so I guess there's some psychological explanation for why it might take some time
That's a very sensitive topic. Thanks for this video. I've never experienced sexual harrassment outdoors. However, I think, almost every woman has experienced sexual harrassment at least once in their lives - at work, on public transportation, on the street.... It happens all the time and it's difficult for a woman to react properly when it happens. Sometimes it's somethimg small, a slight touch or even only words, sometimes it's more and sometimes it's been done by people they have trusted. That's the worst experience of all. Women are ashamed when this happens. They ask themselves, is it my fault? Have I encouraged them? This is wrong!! It's not our fault! It's always their fault! We have to speak up! Always! Even when there is just a slight touch on the bus. This behaviour is not acceptable and I don't tolerate people who blame the victims either.
Thank you for your insight and for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for talking about this and for believing and standing up for women.
it's telling when women would rather face a bear than a man in the woods
All women should conceal carry. Every female in my life is encouraged to be armed. Life too precious to let an asshole like this to take it from them.
Yeah, telling about how dumb humans are. There will always be predators both men and women. They just work differently when they do it. The fact is that your chances of the man or woman you come across being that is really low in actuality. Your chances of being eaten by a bear that you run into though... That's a much higher chance. Bears aren't f*****g cuddly and lovable friends we haven't met yet. They will eat your intestines while you're still alive. This whole bear vs man thing is absolutely idiotic on a sublime new level. Congratulations, you've been propagandized well.
Bears are predictable.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426If anyone was to send out a similar questionnaire to hikers, asking about bears, I highly doubt that the result would be that 40% of hikers have already been attacked or threatened by a bear.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 this. a bear just wants to get away most of the time. if it does happen to attack you, it doesn't revel in your suffering. there are fates worse than death. because of my experiences w sadistic men, i'd rather take my chances w a bear honestly.
Thank you for being an advocate for us; and for being such a kind human being ❤
I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I hope that this topic will be more readily discussed as time moves forward.
Glad that you have covered this
Thank you so much for this video and for your words. I've been a victim of SA but it was not the most difficult. No. The most difficult was five years of battle, five years of repeating my story in gruesome details, facing judgemental remarks, incompetence etc. But I was "lucky", the man who was responsible wasn't famous or admired. A person, man or woman, can make great things, be very talented and be a predator at the same time. I think human brain should be capable of processing paradox. Thank you again for this video it goes straight to my heart.
Thom, thank you for this. And the gentle way you handled the topic.
Thank you very much. I'm happy you found the video and appreciate your kind comment
What an excellent video. You've tackled a difficult topic well. SSurvivors take time to report because it's a trauma that takes time to process. It's usually a therapist that recommends and supports reporting. Many assaults are never reported and predators count on that. So glad this major creep is put away!
Thank you for taking the time to watch, and for sharing your thoughts.
@@EverestMystery Thank you sir. We need men to speak out about this! Especially in a time when the GOP sees a leader in a sexual predator. 😪 They send a very dangerous message...that wealthy men can offend without consequence, and aspire to the highest office...at a time when women are being assaulted and murdered in record numbers. They want to drag us backwards and downwards...the hate for women is palpable. Thank you for being an advocate. Your video is a powerful one. You are brave, speaking truth to power. They are so power hungry, they don't care who gets hurt. And it hurts. 🌹
Excellent report.
Thanks.
Fun to see a Grizzly on here! 🫶🏻🐻👍
As a woman in the skydiving community, another closeknit community that relies on mutual love and trust, I'm absolutely not surprised that something like this has come out. Too many men in these communities are defended, and the women ignored/bullied/silenced and it has to be seen to be stopped.
There are so many incredible humans in my sport, and in climbing, men and women who exemplify safety, friendship, kindness and community. Unfortunately there is always the potential for bad seeds. As a woman i myself have experienced harrassment and assault by people that I should have been able to trust.
Thank you for speaking out about these issues. I'm so proud of the women who came forward and ultimately prevented him from hurting more.
Rarely are sexual assault crimes reported with the understanding demonstrated here. Righteous anger bubbles up when victim blaming, disbelief, and perpetrator protection become the knee jerk response of the ignorant. Myths about sexual violence seem to die hard. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for your thoughts and for being here!
Thank you for this video
New subscriber here. Thank u for speaking bout this and showing compassion for his victims (which is rare). As a survivor of dv and sa, i can't thank u enough.
Your comment means very much to me. I am really happy you found this video. Thank you and all the best to you
Horrific story and very well explained, on a brighter note,i absolutely love your Trippy t-shirt bro.... Bless up... 🤙
Thank you for being an ally!
Thank you, and thank you for watching!
Great coverage of this issue.😊
The answer to the question why he was allowed to do this for so long is incredibly simple. Because justice system failed catastrophically. It is the obvious and clear reason! There has been a mountain of evidence at least since 2008 that this person is a violent sociopath. It's incredibly important to highlight these topics but I find it counterproductive to try to frame it as somehow climbing community enabling this behavior. In several limited instances where other climbers could take action, they did! But otherwise, it's 20/20 hindsight. I find it strange that the focus of the article is the climbing community instead of abject, utter and inexcusable failure of the justice system which, unlike the climbing community, had all the necessary information and resources to actually DO SOMETHING.
Aaaaannnd some men wonder why so many women would rather be alone in the woods with a bear than alone with one or more men.
I know why and it makes perfect sense to me.
Well, now he's gonna find-out how those poor women felt. Only he's not gonna get much sympathy from anyone on the inside or the outside. Karma.
Just found your channel (specifically, your latest video) a few days ago. I really appreciate your presentation of important but difficult topics. Thank you for standing up for people and places that need better care & protection.
I love your voice, enjoy your videos
I agree! I'm elderly. I don't hike and I certainly don't climb mountains, but Thom's channel offers very interesting topics that are very well made! 😊😊😊
Thank you for covering this. I’ll have to read Missoula,I love Krakauer’s writing. I’ve had numerous forms of SA and sexual harassment at school,work and other when I was younger. The only place that I felt very supported in this was in the Army where everyone from my commanders to the SFC that worked for me helpful were outraged by an E-6 stalker who was also a patient of mine.
Federal prison means when you're sentenced to life imprisonment you are going to be there for life imprisonment... It is a good place for this man
He can hone his skills in solitary, whilst literally climbing the walls.
Thanks. Much respect.
I know this is an older video know, but yesterday I watched Mountain Queen: The Summits of Lhakpa Sherpa. It was a really good documentary and also talked about Domestic Violence in the mountaineering community. I think Lhakpa Sherpa would be a great guest on your podcast or for a video.
Wonderful idea....and thank you. I did a panel discussion with Lhakpa in 2018 for the Boston Museum of Science on commercialization on Everest. We've stayed in touch. I filmed a review two weeks ago but the audio was unusable...so I need to re-film it. Thanks for watching this video and for sharing your idea.
This is going on now at the "Black Swan" murder trial. The woman, Ashley Benefield, claims she shot her estranged husband in self defense. Despite evidence of the husband's unhinged behavior, and mental state, some comments insist she was manipulative and made him do it. The majority of comments from people who have experienced DV, tend to believe her, but the audience is extremely polarized. Someone opined that the comments against the woman sounded like they came from the 1950's instead of the present day.
“Bro code” is a good way of putting it. I’ve heard this first hand at the office when the popular radio host here Jian Ghomeshi was first accused of SA. Guys at my office were complaining that you couldn’t get away with a little “rough sex” these days.
I think there's an issue of (at least silent) complicity here. It's difficult to imagine that people in his circle didn't know what he was like and did nothing. I once went on a yoga course run by a very well known, charismatic, teacher who resigned from the world governing body after having relations with a student. When I raised this with my teacher, she (yes she) said it was true but said "but you should have seen her"........
Wow! What did you mean by the female teacher’s response-“but you should have seen her”-what did she mean by that?
@@alison5009 basically she was saying that the girl was so attractive you couldn't really blame him for falling for her so it wasn't really his fault!
@@NickOpenshaw-o6t Oh, wow. More victim blaming.
Thank you.
Thank you, Thom. This is an important topic to discuss! I always enjoy your positivity at the end of your videos. Keep it up! 👍
There is a certain percentage of people across all cultures and society that are evil predators; this guy Barrett was one of them. It has less to do with climbing and women's safety in climbing, although climbing locations are typically more remote, so there is greater danger for women.
it's not evil. it's entitlement. it's being socialized and conditioned to view women as objects for consumption. sociopathy is so rare.. there's no way every woman i know has been abused by 'evil' men. these men are 'loving husbands', 'good fathers', 'talented young men' with 'promising careers', walking through the world as respected and admired members of their communities. the subjugation of women is a larger cultural issue that even good men can perpetuate... and we have to recognize that in order to be able to change it.
Absolutely chilling! Imagine these womens' fears thinking this madman was a policeman.
Sadly, domestic violence is not taken seriously enough in the United States.
My 22 yr old daughter is a climber and camper etc, I’m always so worried about all the possibilities during her trips 😳😢
My heart breaks for these women.
Thanks so much for watching....
In my estimation, male dominated communities of any ilk will protect those they consider “their own” against charges of any sexual misbehaviour, up to and including rape. This is substantiated by the fact that even after beating a woman in front of witnesses, this community somehow refused to condemn this guy and wanted to believe a weak made up story. Women need to learn and truly appreciate the dangers of participating in these kinds of communities and never believe that members will “have their back” regardless of how nice the boys are. I don’t believe this will ever change.
As to you deleting the “most obtuse” comments, I believe this was a mistake. as I said, women need to learn, we need to see these things, look them in the eye, and make our judgements. If a single 19 yo girl sees what the dangers are, maybe she won’t be that quick to meet a “cool guy” alone. Predators are a lot of times really charming and charismatic and the weak men searching for role models will form a wall around their heros. This is the world women must learn to live in, we need to learn this as soon as humanly possible. Naivety is not a justification for rape, but it certainly makes you much more likely to be a victim.
Excellent points, I appreciate your insight. Yes, perhaps leaving the obtuse comments up might have been better. Those I took down were honestly cruel and hate-filled....cringeworthy. I'm glad you took the time to watch the video and for sharing your thoughts. Thank you
@@EverestMystery you are very welcome. I adore stories about the mountains and your channel is one of the best. Good work and good luck.
@@marianam8643 truly appreciate it
He looks scary.
Wake up! Many women NEVER talk about sexual assaults and rape against them. To anyone.
How does that talented young 14 year old who has so much hope for greatness turn so dark and evil?
Wow, they're just everywhere aren't they. Women aren't safeanywhere are they.😮
I think all women should conceal carry. The great equalizer is a must have especially for a woman in the outdoors! Way too much opportunity to take advantage of a person
Speaking as a woman who has been violently raped and who has always carried a large caliber firearm, i must say i disagree with you strongly. A serious education in self defense will instill confidence and capability whereas concealed carrying of a firearm is often a prison sentence waiting to happen. By the time one pulls out a gun from a purse or a pocket one can, with training, flatten a would be attacker. Women are quite frequently assaulted leaving places where alcohol is served, often by a person whom they have just met. One cannot carry a gun into a bar. I recently lost to Parkinson's a dear friend, Leah Lee, who was a tiny thing and with a 5th degree black belt was more lethal than i will ever be....and she was also a better pacifist.
@@harridan.thank you for your insight. Much appreciated. ❤I am so sorry for what you’ve been through.
@@CountryWV women are usually assaulted by someone we're supposed to be able to trust. should i hold a loaded gun in my lap on a date watching a movie? should i have it under the couch when i invite a man to my house?
statistically, i'm more likely to have my weapon used against me than be able to successfully fend off my attacker.
and if i did shoot someone, i'd still have to deal with the court system who we know doesn't believe victims and has seen women serving decade long sentences for defending against their abuser. a gun isn't going to keep me safe.
Acid shirt, when you climb mountins at home
Thom, just to answer your question in minute 4.04, we rarely speak up because we end up being liars, provokers, and finger pointed. I was harassed by a climber in my climbing community, I spoke up and suffered the consequences. I would do it again, sure. But it's annoying and upsetting.
Your videos are excellent.
Thank you!
I understand where you’re coming from with the comments but that’s just making those individuals feel more right than ever.
Maybe your most important show Thom. Listen to women, call out these acts we know are wrong, don’t be complacent with bad behaviors and look out for each other.
Thanks my friend, I truly appreciate it! And thank you for supporting the channel!
I hope he got Life without the possibility of parole.
@EverestMystery Thom, thank you for the numerous and helpful resources linked in the description. I’ll look through these and pass them on! ❤
They are everywhere. Every walk of life. Be careful who you idolise.
WHY😂 no, THANK YOU, for covering this and being a alie, for women. Thank you, we all need alies!
As an avid climber and outdoorsman, I understand, highlighting, bad scenarios, and trying to fix them for the future. But what I don’t like is headlines asking if being outdoors is safe for women…. how many women are assaulted in the outdoors scenarios like this relative to parties at colleges and bars or what not. Did the numbers actually show that a majority of women are assaulted when they go backpacking or climbing trips? There are monsters in every industry in every sport this happens and it’s horrible, but it doesn’t mean the sport in general has a problem. There are bad people everywhere. Glad he’s in prison, but I don’t think Climbing it’s dangerous for women.
Thanks very much for watching Sir Cornholio. The pronoun of one's user name suggests that a male is stating that women are safe in the outdoors.
The whole point of this video is that studies show that the majority of women victimized by SA are afraid to speak up for a variety of reasons. Perhaps OP might consider that the women with whom 'he' climbs have for whatever reasons chosen not to share their experiences with him, or anyone, for that matter. Seems to me this is a great conversation to have next time the gang is hanging out at the fire pit after a day at the crags.
@@EverestMystery Thank you Thom
Yosemite, isn’t that where that serial killer was years back…. reference to the comments you had to remove. There are so many “incels” online. They have no hustle so they blame it on women. I used to assist with woman who had stay away orders from their ex’s. Those orders are useless, and even when the women would go to the police, often the cops would side with the man.. “hey, she is still your wife”. as a response to a rape. I had a pretty good solution, Get a Dog. A vicious one. It worked for numerous women I assisted. However, it is important to wait until a verdict is rendered before we destroy the accused. Often the accused is judged by the horror of the crime. Innocent people do get their lives ruined by accusations that later are proven wrong. But of course I agree that the women in these cases need every aspect of our legal system to protect them and allow them to report the crime without judgement from police. We (white men) (cops in particular) still have that disgusting age old perception that women “ask for it” by wearing provocative clothing, no matter how far along you are (men) in making out… if she says no…. thats it…. period.
So sad and tragic for the victims of this monster.....
Cory Stayner worked at Yosemite, too.
I live 15 miles north of Santa Rosa, CA. And I never heard about this.
@@bold810 Cory worked just outside the park in El Portal.
He murdered his last victim inside the park in Foresta.
I’ve always preached the idea that almost everyone deserves (sometimes eventual) forgiveness. Especially now, with my own young son growing up. However, there are two very distinct exceptions to that mantra, and the first is murder, and the second are any of the actions of Barrett described in this video. If anything, a life sentence in prison is a very merciful punishment for a human being that is capable of such behavior.
Glad they locked him up .
It must be a terrible experience for women who are sex abused to tell their story. I admire a woman who has the courage to testify against a monster to help put him behind bars. Barrett deserves to be where he is.
What have we come to when we can't use words that mean exactly what we are trying to say, because it will upset someone.
It was a simple choice made at the time of recording, not by any regards meant to water down what took place. If I were sitting around a dinner table with friends, I would have done the exact same thing. It's a repulsive term that doesn't need to be uttered to be understood in the context of a conversation. Also, given the algorithm of the platform, some words or terms can derail a video, ie, when doing stories about people who have lost their lives on Everest I use less alarming terms. Cheers and thanks for watching.
@lescook9021 UA-cam also strikes channels for using the actual words, so you’ll see words like unalived, csam, etc. It is the rules of UA-cam.
As a woman, if half of the allegations about Barrett are true, he deserves more than life in prison. What this monster did to these women is beyond reprehensible and vile. These women will NEVER be the same. Their lives have been completely altered by the violence that was visited on them and there is no amount of jail time that will change them back to who they were before. Please remember that these women were completely violated on a level that can never be repaired. I sincerely hope that these women are able to heal their bodies, heal their minds and heal their souls. They deserve that and so much more. Peace be with the women and the climbing community affected by Barrett.
I thought of something. Won't he just climb out of the prison?!! 😅 😂 🤣
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I have always felt that if I was ever raped I would never report it because I know what they put the victim through in the court system in public opinion
when people ask 'why didn't she report it!' I remind them of that case in Ireland where they made a 17yo girl hold her underwear up in court saying she was 'asking for it' because they were 'sexy'... she later committed suicide.
that's why we don't report. bc it would be like being violated all over again... and the perpetrator rarely sees justice.
the case mentioned in the video is one of few thankful exceptions.
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This is why I abhor women who falsely accuse men of sexual assault. We see it too much so a lot of people are loathe to "believe all women"
And since a woman can make false accusations and then later admit she was lying and still have almost nothing happen to her....well, it's the reality we live in.
Cool channel when it was about mountain climbing. Of all the things you could talk about, you choose this. Much better channels that actually talk about mt climbing
I agree.
thnx, had this happen with a film teacher 'artist who was wholly protected by the self proclaimed progressive college. It crushed me. I shorn my hair and dressed in rags, to be plain as possible from there out after being blamed for being attacked by a teacher. And probably is pale in comparison to so many others in positions of power, celebrity. One wonders about the strangling part, are there any victims he left in the desert? My God.
It’s kinda telling about those ppl who are protecting a predator, birds of a feather!
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Whose pic is on your wall, the Che Guevara look, is it Bob, my eyes arent great?
Was wondering that also. I can't figure it out but he looks familiar.
Was wondering that also. I can't figure it out but he looks familiar.
Was wondering that also. I can't figure it out but he looks familiar.
Was wondering that also. I can't figure it out but he looks familiar.
@@easygoer1234 looks like Bob to me, definitely not Che😁
Sophisticated suave differential urbanity displayed by folk can hide all manner of practical dark practices and lawbreaking
I take my bodycam with me even on simple journeys. Must get evidence. I do avoid anywhere where I feel unsafe alone and that there will be men there
"ALL" victims of sexual assault find it hard to come forward. Victims come in all sexes and age groups. For me, it was NOT about being believed, but the shame in the incident itself and the self-blame associated with it. I will also say that there are too many false reports nowadays that only discourage true victims from coming forward and thus only help the perpetrators of these disgusting crimes. Take care.
WOW, simply shocking but not surprised. There are twisted people in every profession. Just first time I’ve head it was a climber.
I’ve never understood why women, hike, camp and climb alone!
For two decades,
I hiked alone, for 3-to-4 hrs.,
daily, because I didn't know anyone that matched my endurance, sadly.
Finally, in 2002, I met a gal,
who's my truest best friend,
that is in-step with me
~ bicycling, jogging, hiking. 👍
@@WhenImBackInChicago glad to hear, nothing bad happened! There are sick crazy people out there.
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🫂 Thank you.
Yes; being female, I'm always on high-alert/hyper-aware.
It's exhausting exercising outdoors,
as a woman, with unnecessary added dangers possibly lurking.
Only had an incident walking home from the Chicago subway (mid-1990s) after work;
a carload of teen boys followed me home on my 15-min. walk at 10p.m.
~ had to jump bushes, and eventually, hide in an alley, until I felt they gave up.
I've found the city to be more dangerous, than the forests.
@@WhenImBackInChicago OMG! You’re right, the city is more dangerous. Stay safe!
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All I'm hearing is that he should have hired better Attorneys throughout his life. It's really easy to paint labels on people. But it does sound like he didn't learn from his mistakes.
The 'believe all women movement' did a great disservice to the real victims of these types of crimes. It's been reported many times of women using SA+ to get back at men who have 'wronged' them. This IMO is another reason why many women don't come forward.
The research doesn't support your assertion.
In all fairness Thom, the reason that many women get dismissed when they make claims against guy's like that is because you can't find a guy that either he or a friend he's close with hasn't had their life tore apart by some woman who lied through their teeth about him, now I'm not talking specifically about women who've lied about being sexually assaulted by men, I'm talking about any type of lies that've accused men of doing unacceptable things (he beat me all the time/he's manipulative and always made me feel trapped etc etc) usually to justify leaving a guy, when in fact the truth is they'd gone out and got themselves a boyfriend and now want out of the marriage but don't want it to look like what it is, so they accuse a guy of every horrible thing under the sun to justify, no hide, what they're actually doing, and there ain't no one can act like they don't know what I'm talking about because every single person reading this has either had it happen to them or are friends with a guy that it's happened to and that includes women who'll read this, all of you have known at least one guy in your life whose been victimized like that.
People can get mad at me for pointing out the truth but there it is, yes, most definitely there's guy's out there who do these unspeakable things to women but let's be realistic here, the ratio of guy's who've had their lives completely destroyed by a woman who lied about them compared to the number of women who have really had something like that done to them is undoubtedly in the thousands to one, possibly even tens of thousands to one but I'm comfortable saying thousands to one, I mean face it the vast majority of us go through life having never known a guy who's a rapist, never having personally even known a guy brought up on charges for rape much less convicted and jailed for it but every one of us has seen plenty of our friends victimized by some lying woman with quite a lot of us having had it happen to us ourselves.
Personally, if I was a woman who was assaulted and I kept getting dismissed by people when I was accusing my attacker I'd snap on every other woman I'd ever known that destroyed some guy's life because they lied and manipulated things to get their custody and alimony, I'd thank them for creating an environment where women get dismissed.
People can get angry at me for saying this but I'm dealing with reality here not the way we'd like for things to be, I'm just pointing out the ugly truth in the room, the fact is if woman want 100% credibility when it comes to accusations against men then they need to start policing their own ranks, quit accepting women into their social circles who come around laughing about how they got over on some guy, laughing about how they drug hom through the courts and ruined him with a bunch of lies, and there's plenty of women who know a couple that see the woman lie through their teeth about some guy, and yea even feel bad for him, but will still accept that woman socially, they need to stop supporting other women who do things like that because it's the only thing that'll turn the phenomenon around to where the collective women of our society get the credibility back they once had, hey sorry but the reality is, and we all know this, is that for at least the past 35 years guy's have been getting their asses tore out in an unfair way by these domestic courts who automatically believe the woman, the reality is all they have to do is accuse and they're automatically believed by the domestic courts yet the guy is task with a burden of proof well beyond just his words, anyone who denies that is either delusional or they benefit from things the way they are and don't want to see them changed, the vast majority of the time some guy is getting his ass tore out by a domestic court it's being done by a woman who's lying, and they've literally destroyed the colllective credibility of women even in the eyes of a lot of women over the years doing it, the old story about crying wolf and the lesson behind it doesn't just apply to an individual it also applies to groups, or demographics or however you want to look at it.
Now i am certainly not saying "They've brought it on themselves" when it comes to the problem women have about being believed when they make accusations about being attacked like that, but it's like anything else if you want to fix things in life you have to deal with reality, you can't just stick your head in the sand because a subject is hard, unpopular or uncomfortable to talk about, to fix problems you have to be realistic about what the causes of them are, try skating around what the real causes are and you'll never get the problem fixed, and the problem I'm addressing here is the one of women being dismissed when they make an accusation like that, if people just want to get mad at me for pointing out what i have well whatever, but they're certainly not helping out the women who need believed when they're a victim of an attacker like that, all continually skating around an issue or problem will do is create a hole in the ice.
I don't know anyone who's a dude who has gone thru that. However at least half my women friends have experienced DV & more than half have been SA'd. The research data doesn't support your interpretation either. Ofc you made it clear you think we're all lying & you're the brave brave truth-teller. Your way of thinking is frightening & I hope I'm never in the same room as you. Esp alone.
I agree with the above poster. I do not know any man who has been accused of things that he hasn’t done. What I do know is that many of my friends and relatives have suffered under tyrannical boyfriends and husbands, myself included. And the only lying woman that I know of is one who wormed her way into the life of my ex-husband and lied through her teeth about something she claimed I had said to her, which I most certainly did not. He believed her and not me. So she got her way and ended up destroying a family with two young children. So yes, certain women are inherently evil and will lie to get their way. But, few of us would expose ourselves to the embarrassment and legal trouble to accuse a man of any sort of physical or sa. So this responder who claims to know many men who have had their lives destroyed by lying women is either exaggerating or is truly hanging out with the wrong crowd.
Just remember, no means no.
Sounds like a description of Trump.
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! WAHHHHHHHH! 😫 👌🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes
I am a male, but not a beta male, so I will not need to find a "safe space" after watching this! 🥹 If someone doesn't like females, then why don't they just avoid them? I know for some guys, that will never happen. Did they have problems with mom? 🥲 I think the currently unanswerable question about every predator is, how much of the behavior is choice, and how much is compulsion?! Very good!! 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
The conflict is lack of maternal bonding mainly ..leading to distrust and unstable relationships with women at best ..this can lead types to a an almost pathological hatred ..especially since they hold the key to a man's natural sexual requirement to touch and intercoarse..and can thus rarely be reciprocated ..it is a painful conflict and a cross that must be carried otherwise jail via sexual misdemeanors can result..
@@JAlbertz9478 Misdemeanors??
They ENJOY it!
Men just don’t respect women. It’s been like it for centuries, woman have always had to be wary of males. You’ve only got to look at the excuses that are made ‘boys will boys ‘ being the most popular 🫤